READ about Piers Morgan's long career in journalism here.
Last night's interview with Megachurch pastor Joel Osteen, and his wife Victoria Osteen, garnered strong reaction (it was trending worldwide on Twitter).
In the above clip, The Osteens and Piers Morgan discuss Victoria's Secret underwear. Seriously. And below, the conversations about wealth and politics:
Does God want us to be rich? Osteen talks personal wealth:
Osteen weighs in on politics – and political rhetoric post-Arizona shooting:
• Earlier: Osteen: Homosexuality is "a sin"
What an insulting, sickening interview the Osteens sat through with Piers Morgan. He is a sensationalistic muck raker. Trying to explain what being a Christain means to him is like trying to explain the internet to an ant. He clearly has no reference. Yes Piers, stick to interviewing the unimportant irrelevants such as the Kardashian sisters. What are they famous for again and how are they making a difference in our world?????
Alternatively, when confronted with reality, the thin veneer of the charlatan falls off quickly. These "preachers" justify their existence and greed with whatever anyone wants to hear. Interview away, Piers. Light is the best antiseptic.
What a breath of fresh air, Joe! No animosity, no hatred...just patient observation and a willingness to calm another inflammatory situation. You echo a quote I see in a very old spiritual guide..."Untruth has no existence, and Truth never ceases to exist." The light will eventuall shine in every corner.
No action will go unpunished or rewarded. It is a zero-sum universe. Please, Joe....comment on!!!
Oops...don't want it to seem that I don't care about literacy. I wish they would let you edit these comments.
(Last line) UNrewarded
We know, but since our Christian conservative are both blind and deaf they will never know.
Joe, You are spot on. These two are totally insufferable. Oh yes indeed there is a place for them!
It's interesting that to build up Osteen, you have to disparage others. Says a lot about you.
Where is the disparage? Did I miss something here? I thought these forums were for making comments. Perhaps it is only open for some people to comment?
It mind boggles me that someone would compare the existence of slavery to the existence of Christ due to lack of first hand visual accounts by people still living. Believing anything in the Bible is not horribly skewed is like asking a 5-year old to explain where babies come from. They 1. lack the capacity to understand the concept presented to them and 2. do not have the means to test the process themselves. If you showed a person from Biblical times a TV they would think there are people in the TV. If they went up to you and said "There's people in there!" you would know they were in error because you understand how a TV works and it would be ridiculous for you to believe them and pass that "knowledge" onto others.
All the sin of man exist in these people and if there is a hell the Osteens will most certainly be there. They make a mockery of Christianity, How a fellow human can live such a glutanous and garrish life and be so greedy when so many suffer so much around them is appalling. And then to call themselves people of god? Jesus himself said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven. HE meant that. You can try and subvert all the other text of the Bible to suit your own greed, But true Christians know the truth. There just are so few out there anymore. The osteens are horrible people and they are certainly not Christians. Not by Jesus' standards anyway. There is evil in this world and it is smooth and slick.
Sue, obviously this is not how Christ lived his life, but Plainjoe is right. These people tell you what you want to hear and the times I've seen his TV show, Osteen is a well-polished charlatan who peddles a "convenient" god of some sort but not the one Jesus came to represent.
There is no evidence Christ ever lived.
Eric, Christianity is the most scientifically researched religion out there. There is FAR more archeological evidence that not only did Christ live, but he was who he claimed to be than anything out there. Do a little research. The "he didn't exist" claim is the true fraud.
Eric, What would you accept as "evidence"?
Your sticking your head in the sand to deny the historical existence of Jesus.
I am assuming the only way you would accept proof is to have eye witness accounts. I hear that a lot from atheists, I would like to contend that under those pretenses that slavery never happened, as you cannot prove it by anything other than history books. You can go ahead and say "the bible isn't a history, it is a book written by men", (even though it has been proven time and time again) and I will contend that your history book is no different. Soon, there will not be any survivors of World War I, so we can chalk that up to the "myth" column too.
Yeah in some 1st century texts there are some slight references to a person named Christ or Jesus by Tacitus and Josephus however it is interesting that as meticulous as the Romans and others were about recording grain yields and daily events there are no records of fantastic events or “miracles” involving this Jesus person outside the Bible. Additionally, Josephus’ references to a person named Jesus are inconsistent with his writing style ad remain highly suspect. In essence, if you believe the gospels then there is no reason why you shouldn’t believe the stories about Joseph Smith, or Zeus, or Ra, or Mithras, or……….
James...ummm...how has it been proven that the Bible **wasn't** written by man? Where is your proof, please?
Just because you haven't seen it or refuse to recognize the truth doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
So 2010+ years ago God all of the sudden out of nowhere sent his son down to earth and spoke through him. Since then God is nowhere to be found? Oh wait, God spoke to Mr Smith who found some tablets in PA and then created Mormonism, I forgot, sorry.
The burdon of proof is on the one making the positive claim. So If your claim is that Jesus did exist, what is your evidence that he did? There is little written about any such perosn in the secular texts written in that region at the time Jesus supposedly walked the earth. And the few instances in which a "Jesus" is mentioned (it is only 2 or 3 possible references) is far from compelling. On the other hand, there is a ton written about John the Baptist. Funny how a man who could walk on water, heal the sick, and resurrect the dead got so little press. Must've been the state run liberal media.
Eric, there is no evidence that Christ did not live. Except for the Bible, that is. But hey, I'm open minded! I'm willling to see things your way just as soon as you can prove to me that Christ not live.
You'll have your proof soon enough that Christ did, indeed, live. And that he also died and lived again. But by the time you get your proof, it will be too late for you. Pity.
Hey, Mary K Baxter even met Jesus and spent 40 days with him. He took her to see hell and heaven. She even wrote about it in a Divine Revelation of Hell. Now, who can doubt that, I mean it has been written therefore we have proof, right?
Existantially, how would one prove something did not exist? It's only possible to prove the existence of someting and even then somoene can bust out the good 'ole "walls of the cave" nugget and render that arguement meaningless.
I would argue that if you need proof then you don't believe in God, you might be willing to accept the possibilty there may be a God but that's not the same thing.
Also, the concept that there is a God and that man has developed religion that is not as intended by said God should be as troubling to believers as it is to non-believers. I can appreciate believing that God is all knowing and powerful, I can't appreciate believing the same of every influential follower of a religion since the creation of that religion. In other words, when a figure such as Constantine made sweeping changes to a religion, how do we know they were correct and/or actual subject to divine insperation?
Why would it matter if Christ existed or not? It's not as if we were talking about god, or something.
You should be careful not to poke the bear. My God is a jealous, vengeful God, but fortunately for you, He is also a loving and merciful God. There is time to educate yourself in the word of God and they ways of our Lord. No telling how much time though. Why wait? Accept him now and repent of your sins and accept Him into your heart. This will mark the beginning of a wonderful relationship and you'll be blessed and happier for it. Don't put off til tomorrow what you can do today. God bless and have mercy on your soul.
@Susanne: In defense of Eric, I"ll repeat my earlier statement, "The burdon of proof is on the one making the positive claim." You are the one making the positive claim. See my previous post above, as well as Sybaris'.
There is also no evidence that Christ never lived. I think that if we could take anything in the Bible as an absolute it would cheapen the concept of having faith.
I think there are probably enough triangulated accounts (between local and Roman texts) that Jesus lived and parts of the story happened as written. However, there has been a lot of embellishment both in the Gospel era (adding "magical" elements to narratives in early millennial writing gave stories more credibility, not less as we would expect today) and more recently.
@toxictown: Can you please site these sources and how you can triangulate? The sources I am citing are the writings of Tacitus (the Annals, reference to "Christus") and the writings of Josephus (Antiquities, reference to "Jesus, brother of James, and a disputed reference to Jesus). Why is John the Baptist written about so extensively, but not this Jesus fellow.
sue you moron... it's all TV. If the Osteen's can't handle it then they should have never agreed to be on his show. he asks hard questions of all of his guests. And Osteen is nothing more than a cult leader who cons his followers into supporting his church so he can push his products on them and make a fortune. It's too bad there are so many hopeless individuals looking for a crutch out there....
Joel Olseen is a cult and he is just brain washing people and looting them. Sometime I see him blessing a Cancer Patient and claims they his blessing will cure him.! people should be careful from these kinds of cutls are are misleading people and dividing them.
All churches are cults. If they were not they would not ask for money and drive luxury cars and have masions!!
Amen, Meep! I meant that in the most secular way. Seriously though, how sad and embarrassing that so many people buy into the BS of J Osteen.... or religion, in general. Does it bother anybody else that the guy is uber-rich and lives a fairly lavish lifestyle? It seems to be contradictory to the message he preaches. I don't begrudge him for wanting his family to be comfortable. That's fair. But at some point it just becomes hypycritical ostentatiousness (if that's even a word). Carry on.
Really? "A charlatan looking to loot people"?
Almost 2 years ago, my daughter was born with a devestating genetic disorder.
When he was contacted by a friend of mine, he personally called my house and prayed with me for my daughter....and he never asked me for a dime at that time or any time since.
For those who question God and for those who find pleasure in ridicule of those who follow the ALL MIGHTY SAVIOR, I feel sorry for you and your soul. Sadness and more sadness. As Dr. Creflo Dollar says over and over, if you don't believe or you mock those of us who do, DIE! DIE AND THEN YOU WILL KNOW! Oh, wait a second, you must detest Dr. Dollar also because he knows and speaks the truth, the Word of God...God and His people weep for souls like yours. I pray the beautiful, almighty, loving, and forgiving Father will soften your heart and awaken within you the desire to seek Him first because if you fail to do so prior to death, HELL WILL AWAKEN YOU. By then, well, maybe you can come back and tell those lost souls, such as yourself, that Christians were right all along. Oh, but wait, that's right, you won't be able to come back again because you will die your second death in the LAKE OF FIRE. GOD BLESS YOU AND I PRAY YOU REPENT! As for the Osteen's, God blesses and provides superabundantly, over and beyond what we could ever fathom or ask for. PRAISE GOD FOR THE BLOOD OF JESUS!
Its surprising to still find people that say thet their god is jealous and vengeful...We have not learned yet and keep closed minded and fanatics, producing the results we see in the world today. Fanatism as opposed to openess is like the walking with blinders – Your vison gets very limited- Let's open up.
As for Mr. Osteen interview, I could see he reached a wall in answering when pushed by Piers. Constantly repeated that he thought as he didi because the scriptures said so...What a statement...I am amazed at the depth!Fortunately young people are waking up and turning within, seeing their truth not in any book or in any charlatan or in any book, but within. Bravo!
Osteen is the worth representation, it's a distortion of what Christ really is....! He just another money making "false" religious teacher...
....and the arrogant tone of your response is why most people have a bad view of Christians....
Not sure who you were referring to, but speaking out against someone who is peddling this nonsense is not arrogant. He is (unfortunately) the link between Christianity and a lot of nonbelievers, and he is misguiding them. It's just a shame that so many people choose to listen to him and send him money.
SUCH IGNORANCE IN THIS THREAD! First off, he took a salary of approx $200,000 until year 2005 by which time he was making much off books. Second, He very well may be receiving large monetary gain through "love offerings" and housing allowance. He still owns a $1.5mil home and is living in a $10mil home through covenant trust presently. As far as his teaching goes he has none other than "you can be what you want to be if you just believe it". Following Christ does not make the world love you its the other way around. The world sure seems to love Osteen from what I see. You need no christian self help books if you have the Holy Spirit and the Bible. Nough said!
Help!!! Need John Baptist!!!
Interesting – well sort of, and very predictable. I would like to know where is says excatly in the bible that being gay is a sin. I do know that it says several times not to judge others, that our Heavenly Father is the judge. We are to "Love thy neighbour as thy self". Why didn't he quote the bible directly? That is because there isn't a verse. I find it hard to take teachings from someone who doesn't quote the bible directly. Now if Billy Graham (who is a true man of God), said in chapter John vs. etc then I think it would have some weight but to smile and not to answer the question several times – is someone who really doesn't have the scriptures to back it up. Cheers to you Mr. Morgan – his true colors came shinning through :)
I don't think it is called a sin. I believe it is actually referred to as an abomination!
@ Meeks Scriptures in regards to male and female relationships
1 Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1:26-27, Leviticus 18:22, Genesis 2:24, Corinthians 7:2-16
Yes we are to love our neighbors as we love ourselves, we can not judge others, but we can judge sin. God/Jesus teaches us to love one another know matter what. I may not "approve" of, or "agree" with your lifestyle or some of the things you may be or may not be doing, but it is not for me to judge your person. I am to love EVERYONE as God first loved me.
Leviticus 18:22 (KJV):: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Although I'm a Christian, I realized a long time ago that God gave me enough sense to know what parts of the Bible should probably be used as coasters.
Old Testament, Leviticus Chapter 20, verse 13 is the root of it although it is just called abomination (much worse than venial sin but probably not mortal). At least in current texts. In older texts, e.g. the Doauy Rheims edition, it says " let them be put to death". Aren't you glad the current view is to hate the sin, but love the sinner? At least in Catholicism. Protestants may have a different view as they frequently do.
Meeks, read the bible first the made your comments
@babydol, right on.
Burrikane – I am obviously not Christian but who is the Thou referring to? Is there a similar quote for women too? I think I would have to see it in the complete context.
the verse is 1st Timothy 3rd verse. read it: MAN SHALL NOT LIE (LAY DOWN IN BED) WITH MAN. BY THE WAY I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN THE RELIGION IS FALSE. AND GOD IS ANGRY WITH THESES LIES. but i have read and studied the stupid small bible it is shameful the TORAH is the best book in the world JEWS are Number one in Gods eyes not the small Christians..
Gay much? Interesting you'd take that from comments.
Quotes acknowledged and thank you. I still disagree with him and I still disagree with the one sideness of your views. However, we all will be judged and we will all be accountable for our doings in this life. Mr. Osteen and Mrs. Osteen will be no different.
@AngelofGod – I tried to find that scripture and found it was incorrect. It is Leviticus 18:22, not Timothy. As an answer to Meeks original statement, Romans 1:26-27 addresses the issue, if one is looking for a New Testament scripture.
@AngelofGod – I tried to find that scripture and found it was incorrect. It is Leviticus 18:22, not Timothy. As an answer to Meeks original statement, Romans 1:26-27 addresses the issue, if one is looking for a New Testament scripture. "
Thank you Carrie, I appreicate that.
Hi Sue. You are absolutely 100% on the money. To me it seemed at times that Piers was intentionally trying to rattle Joel and Victoria, like he was on the attack. I am proud of the Osteens for giving such a great interview and not letting Piers get to them. I like him but he should not treat his guests this way. God Bless.
another sheep lead to the butcher by Osteen and his cult.... sad sad sad.
I'm a big fan of joel osteen and I love his jolly preaching, unlike all those doom and gloom shouters.he s so refreshing and his messages really comforted me when I went through some very hard times. the haters are just jealous of his wealth which he has worked for and is voluntarily given. keep up the good work Joel. like the bible says no evil shal befall what God has touched. pierce tried to provoke anger but he was met with a gentleness and politeness. Piers, you are so up your own ass, and the interview was not balanced like others. it was clearly an attack. it's surreal!
btw. why is the xtian church so under attack . these same cowards wouldnt dare attack Muslims. leve Joel and xtians alone. nobodys forcing yu to join us!!
@Issbel, last I checked, Jesus was the son of a carpenter and throughout his life lived very modestly, giving to the less fortunate nearly everything he recieved. Osteen keeping " his wealth which he has worked for and is voluntarily given" sounds very un-christlike to me. I guess he never aks himself WWJD.
What you said does make some sense. Jesus told the young ruler to go and sell everything he had and to follow Him as it is harder for a rich man to get to heaven than a camel to fit through the eye of a needle. The ruler left with his head hung down. He couldn't give up the worldy things to follow Jesus. I wonder if Mr. Osteen could. Perhaps if Jesus had told the young ruler that he could keep all his riches and follow, he would. But, given the choice and not having his cake and eating it too, he chose wrong. Again, I wonder what Mr. Osteen would have done.
thanks Jann. you are very true in your argument and you are non judgmental too.
thanks for the support
there's no business like show business, whether from the pulpit or from Piers
Osteen has no education other than going to basketball games and is raking in millions. He was asked by Morgan if he was chivalrous towards his wife. Osteen could not answer and had to be told what the word meant by his wife! Stupid is that stupid does!
Im glad that this was pointed out. Clearly he is ignorant, uneducated or just naive. Therefore he chooses to believe things that make him feel comfortable and safe instead of diligently seeking the real answers through time, hard work and most of all EVIDENCE!
I hear cemetery I mean seminary is not all that. Men and women called to God with the power of the Holy Spirit don't need formal training. Sure, you can tell me all about the Hebrew and the Greek meaning of words but do you have the Holy Spirit living in you?
Osteen's a muckraker?
Read between the line. He's trying to discredit charlatans who are idealized by the conservative religious and wanna be rich Republican populace.
Great point Sue, to a degree. I quite frankl think that the Olsteens and the Kardashians don't desrve air time nor to be taken seriously. They all perpetuate sensationalism and friviolity. The prosperity gospel has nothing to do with the gospel as revealed in Jesus Christ and proclaimed by the Apostles, where did Jesus ever say that financial wealth is a measurement of God's blessing and that God wants all of us to be rich? In short, they are all performers plain and simple.
Joel O has a very simple message to the world hence his strong following. If you want to join his ministry that's a personal decision. Yeah, I thought that was an unpleasant interview putting Joel into a corner like that. Pretty absurb.
A rather christian response indeed, Sue. Anyone else you want to rip or put down?
I also was sickened by Piers' tone in the interview. He was hostile, showed absolutely no respect to his "guests", and, in my opinion, was absolutely unprofessional. I will never watch his program again. Larry King, a true professional journalist, would have NEVER treated a guest the way the Osteens were treated last night, no matter what his personal feelings were.
Thanks lisa.i feel that way too. all the way from Kenya! he was too judgemental,he wanted them to go his way.it was a mockery of interview.he was not proffessional enough but i hope he will hear you cry... and change for the better.
thank you for supporting this family which is blessed .
Agreed. You said it perfectly. But what do you expect from an interview by a "Dancing with the Stars" judge?
Well all T evangelist should be paying taxes at a very high rate. They have been raking it profits for decades and more for conning people. Take away their mansions and expensive cars and they are completely different. They feed from the poor conning them that God will fix it all. Their churches are spectacular but the houses around them are in crumbles. They say God and to fear God. So your telling me God allows for a serial killer to kill another. Rapist to harm another child. For God to be feared then God should turn the weapon on the perpetrator before they harm the innocent. Then and only then can God be feared. They say God works in mysterious ways. I'm tired of seeing another statistic caused by Gods Mysterious ways. Eventually caught is to late, the harm has been done and the perpetrator wanted to be caught to reveal they were the ones that did it for their glory. SOCIETY IS RULING THE WORLD NOT GOD. Jesus died for what so these con artist using Jesus name can become rich and not pay taxes either and suck even the poor fully dry? Lets really get real here. It is man that needs to come together in good harmony. God will never step in. He is only a creator looking in a sort of a petri dish. One day the creator will say this isn't working out and dispose of it all. Clean the instrument of holding it all and put it on his/her shelf. Maybe try something else. Man must come together for intervention. So simple. So logical.
I was very disappointed that Piers was anything but "dangerous" in this interview. He missed a great oportunity to expose the hypocrisy of these megachurch leaders. And what a cop out from Osteen about gay people .. "I am not the judge, God is the judge" ... and Piers never hit back on that.
Piers ... live up to your hype!!
What do you mean Piers didn't hit back?! He told Osteen that he was being a judge. And it ended up making Osteen and other Christians look like fools because Osteen couldn't reason out a basic doctrine like total depravity. Joel seems like a nice, simple, guy but I'm ashamed as a Christian to have him represent the Christian view. The guy admitted he's never been to seminary and he clearly has no answers for people who are genuinely curious as to what Christians believe and why. All him and his wife can say is that we're for people...we love people...just not enough to explain God's Word to them with logical reasoning.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 to name a couple of God's judgment quotes.
I have heard Joel Olsten speak at his religious service, he has all religions attending his service, he preaches peace and comfort and happiness which is fine and which people want to hear. I haven't heard him speak about Jesus Christ and as the scripture says "there is only one path to heaven and that is for believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. If he were to bring that point home he would loose about 50% if not more of his audience. John 14-6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. "
John 3-16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Joel is a shrewd business , it is not a sin to be wealthy if you share it amongest the needy. AMEN
You can't use the scriptures of a religion to justify the validity of a religion. Most religions state that theirs is the only way to salvation. And those that do are the religions to avoid because they serve no purpose other than to keep those who lead those religions in a position of power over those who choose to believe in a narrow world view.
Religions that focus on personal growth and right-mindedness, like Buddhism, are the only religions free of power and greed agendas.
Atheism + Evolution = strong delusion
You sound like a man who speaks of something he has no real knowledge of.
Greg, I'm a Christian, and I totally agree with you. It's sad to see the pastor of the largest church in America not be able to expound upon the Scriptures. Like you've stated, every religion believes they have the truth and it would be nice for a "Christian" pastor to be able to give some logic to the Scripture. Unfortunately, while Joel seems to be a very nice and humble man that I would like as a friend, he clearly has no business representing the Christian faith on CNN. I wish he would at least do some seminary homework before going on these programs and making the whole Christian community cringe with his answers.
Joel DID say to not know Jesus was to miss the mark. I always feel sad for people who throw up scripture and bash others. It's a christians responsibility to proclaim Christ. Whether or not others read and accept is between them & God. If a person would include Christ in their life, all else falls into place. I've never heard him proclaime to be a "prophet". He teaches scripture in a format understandable for most. When believers open their mouths and bash other believers who wins?? There are only two players I know of : Christ & Satain.
actually he did. He said "to know god through Christ" like that is the only way you can come to know God if you so believe.
in response to kso:
that is the only way to know God...Through Jesus Christ. There is no other way..
Unfortunately for Joel, he doesn't teach what Jesus taught. Faith is not a manipulating tool to twist God's arm with. Faith is about coming in line with God's will – not the other way around. And God's will is that we use His blessings in Christ to bring glory to Him, not to indulge in our lusts and our personal glory.
It always amazes me that people do not research the true origins of doctrinal Christianity–The Counsel of Nicea AD 325. The modern version of Chrst's 'relationship' to God was actually established by way of a vote–not by quoting John. This was done by men seeking to establish influence, power, and unification of fractured beliefs. This was also where the ideology of the role of women was first established, shamefully.The Osteens remind me a bit too much of the same genre–trying to establish influence, power, unification, and, undoubtedly, a larger bank account.
He has a very "soft" way of presenting his point, but according to his church's website, these are the belief's he represents. http://www.lakewood.cc/pages/new-here/what-we-believe.aspx
Your an IDIOT! This guy is another Jim Baker. He doesn't get express anger. B.S. wait til his kids grow up and learn to talk straight up, instead of articulating malarkie.
"your an idiot" – speaking of idiots, I believe you meant to say – your're an idiot.
whatever: If you're going to correct someone, you might want to make sure your own statement is grammatically correct. Your're? Now who's the idiot?
Uh......find me anywhere......within the Bible, that it says that humans go to Heaven.....
Of all the comments I have read here...your's has to be the dumbest. Humans are alive you idiot.
John 13:36, John 14:2, many more if you want me to go on.
There are several examples if you look for them. Gospel of St. Luke, Chapter 23, Verse 43. Jesus promises the "good thief" hanging next to him that "today you shall be with Me in Paradise" a.k.a. Heaven. Then although it isn't in the Bible there is His Mother. We know where she lived, which house was hers, basically every detail of her life after the crucifixion BUT there is no grave. We believe she was assumed body and soul into Heaven at the moment of her death. I realize that requires Faith, but that's proof enough for the billion Catholics in this world.
Joe, Obviously you have never watched an entire service of Joel Osteens, because if you had you would have heard him at the end of every service ask if you have asked Jesus Christ into your heart, and offer the prayer of salvation. So to say that you have never heard him speak of Jesus just goes to show that you have not listened all the way through. Just because you don't hear what you want to hear when you want to hear it, doesn't mean that God is not using this man in a great way.
You are right if people come to lakewood they will know the truth!
member for 11 years! ;-)
have a blessed day!!
I watched a full service of Joel Osteen's and I witnessed the deception of someone who forms God into his own image. He rarely uses God's word to teach his version of who God is. I wonder why he does that? In Mathew we are told that not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord. . ." will enter into eternal life with Christ. Joel needs to examine the Word, search his heart, repent, and then he may still have a chance to save himself and those he is leading astray. He's slick, well-practiced, smooth, and smiles all the way to the bank.
Rick in Houston,
It's not too late for you to see the Truth either; being a church member does not save you. My wife and I were members at a Northern Baptist Church for 10 years before we realized the church was not following God's word. Take a step back from all you see, hear, and feel at Joel's Church. Start reading the Bible and ask questions. Pray for wisdom, seek His counsel. Seek God on His terms and you will find Him.
It was painful for us to leave our friends, but we were able to make new friends in a Bible-believing church. Our children are benefitting from our move. They now have an understanding of who God is and what their relationship to Him should be.
WAY TO GO, RACHEL!
It just shows how Christians trust so many when they view it through their spiritual beliefs. Billions of dollars has been stolen in religion-related fraud in recent years, according to the North American Securities Administrators Association, a group of state officials who work to protect investors. That is why it pays to be cautious and question the intent of the person proclaiming to be so religious and righteous. If Christians really want to prove themselves they would use their money to feed and cloth the homeless in their communities. They would look around at their neighbors especially the elderly to see if they need help. They would go to their local Dept. of Human services an adopt the children that need loving homes. That would have a far greater impact on the well being of our society then sending your money to this pathetic preacher. You can claim to be Christians but it's amazing how many are so selfish and lazy to actually take action in their own communities. The proof is in the orphanages, the homeless in your streets and the elderly living in homes crumbling around them. I know first hand because I am out there doing these things and the amount of volunteers we get is pitiful.
I'm sorry – but you must watch a different Joel Osteen than I do – he ends every program asking the his audience both on TV, internet and live if they want to make Jesus the Lord of their life. Perhaps you should pay closer attention to what he is saying :)
I agree Kristin! And he always tells the listener to get in a 'good bible based church'! He doesn't even say his church, he just says 'get in a good bible based church'!
You want a Bible based Church? I guarantee if you go to a Roman Catholic Mass every day for three years you will have the entire Bible read to you. Even the books Martin Luther deleted from it. Every Sunday, at least with a decent Homilist, the Sermon/Homily will expound on the Bible readings you just heard. Visit http://catholicscomehome.org/
Why so angry SUE?
Hey Nate I'll tell you why Sue is so angry, because this Joel Osteen guy would probably ask her the same question. If you need to ask that question, then you (just like Olsteen) are just not getting it. Let's hope that the trend of Mega-Preachers biting the proverbial dust continues.
He is one of many FALSE PROPHETS in sheep clothing Jesus warns us about. Preaching to those who do not want the TRUTH of Gods Word. 2 Timothy 4 : 2-5 2 Timothy 3 :1-7 False Prophets Matthwe 7 : 15 These are the people that want to hear them Matthew 24: 11 – 14 Too many people WHO SAY they are Christians DO NOT READ THE BIBLE just listen to what they LIKE!!! And REPENT is not what they like.
Just perhaps............ you might be wrong. Perhaps some thoughtfulness instead of vitriol might actually OPEN a conversation.
First of all, stop throwing verses around so that it fits into what you're message is. Second, read the entire book from where you are quoting. I've noticed that a lot of people simply forget to read the verses before and after the quote that they are reciting.
You begin to throw scriptures such as 2 Timothy 4:2-5 and 2 Timothy 3:1-7 to expound your point. What you don't understand – and that's probably because you have not read the entire letters to Timothy – is that those 2 letters were written to timothy:
1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,
2 To Timothy my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Nita, did you notice what the second verse says? it says "To Timothy". That should give you an idea as to whom the intended reader of the letter should be, not me or you, but to Timothy.
You also mentioned Matthew 24:11-14 again, here is a novel idea, read the entire chapter of 24. Better yet read the entire book of Matthew. I am pretty sure that if you read the entire book of Matthew and Timothy – read it without preconceived notions – you will find that the ideas that you mentioned are completely wrong. Just so that you have an idea of what Matthew 24 is about, Jesus is talking about the end of the Jewish system of things which came about when the Romans sacked the holy city and just completely destroyed Jerusalem. Read chapter 24 carefully and don't bring any of the ideas that your church has planted on your head. That's all.
Arthur, that's the most sensible thing anyone has posted yet. Thanks you!!!
I mean..."thank you!!!" typo. I appreciate your common sense.
Christians don't judge....now WHAT were you saying?
Just another person who thinks he's changing the world by asking obvious questions and makes millions doing so. Like Oprah.
Good one, Pete!
is this guy really newsworthy for one of the world's biggest media outlets? if piers is so cutting edge of a interviewer shouldn't he and cnn seek out world leaders and other real challenging interviews? i mean aren't there more important things going on in the world than what is going on inside osteen's brain? if he goes jim jones on his congregation then that is newsworthy and god-forbid....but meanwhile, this is a joke, osteen is questionable at best...cmon cnn really?
You mean like the Kardashians tonight?
Repulsive bible thumpers.
And your righteous right?
So many religious fanatics here today. It's no coincidence that in every country you look at, its the poorest and least educated class that's the most religious. You people make me laugh, particularly when I think about how much of your lives you'll waste "praising christ" and performing religious rituals. Try to live as an individual, think for yourselves.
Hey. Hpw're you?
Osteen is as slick as BP attorney. God is judging but Joel isn't? Please. Too soft on him, Mr. Morgan.
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
and what does that mean....you have to be poor to go to heaven...please quote scriptures in its full context...thanks Management
The eye of the needle was a hole in the wall around Jerusalem. It means that a camel would have to get on it's knees and walk through on it's knees to enter the city... as a rich man must kneel before God to get into his kingdom... Make sense??
There was never any wall. This is a major misconception that has been passed on throughout sermons and churches. Jesus was making a point about the impossibility of this situation.
Conservative christians would claim that line is an example of liberal bias added long after the fact.
'The eye of the needle was a hole in the wall around Jerusalem. It means that a camel would have to get on it's knees and walk through on it's knees to enter the city... as a rich man must kneel before God to get into his kingdom... Make sense??'
Nah sorry, that explanation does not hold water. The one that makes the most sense is the one that suggests the word for camel also means rope if used in a different context. So if you translate it as easier for a rope to pass through the eye of the needle then it makes more sense.
This is so true, this is where the rich are missing the big picture! Don't get me wrong there are good rich people, I believe. God loves all of us even if you are not rich God can bless you with things like a peace of mind! Peace to all..whatever that means to you!! VERY COMPLEX WORLD
Never trust a preacher who says riches are a blessing.
Remember, "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24
and what does that mean....do you have to be poor to go to heaven?...please quote scriptures in its full context...thanks Management
The eye of the needle was a hole in the wall around Jerusalem. It means that a camel would have to get on it's knees and walk through on it's knees to enter the city... as a rich man must kneel before God to get into his kingdom... Make sense??
This is a Great comment!
Depends on how you define "riches". A man/woman surrounded by family and several good friends is pretty rich in my book.
People have become so out of balance of the subject of prosperity. We teach man's definition of prosperity rather than God's. God's prosperity is that we be enriched in all areas of our life, not just financially. I wouldn't want to be well-off and sick, I wouldn't want to be rich and alone, with no family or friends. God's prosperity is wholistic, not just material. At the same time He doesn't want you to be poor or live in lack, otherwise why would He say to give to the poor. If I AM the poor, I can't give to the poor. People associate abundance with excess. Abundance is when you have enough for yourself AND to give (which is the ideal), excess is having too much that you can't possibly feasibly use. Nobody preaches things in balance.
I agree that being rich is not a sin as long as you share your wealth, but what’s amazing to me is that preachers like him ask all of us to tide yet they do not do themselves. Whatever happened to loving God and doing his work, I would not pay a dime to see him or his wife speak or buy their book. They should be encouraging people to read the bible not their pagan book.
You can clearly see that Piers is just trying to twist his words, anyone can believe whatever they want we should just RESPECT in what other people believe in.
Someone beklieved that all Jews were to be exterminated.... should we respect that?
These people disgust me. He claims to not judge, but his entire existence is based upon that very concept. Yet another example of extreme U.S. evangelical idiots pretending to be something they're not. Pretending to speak for a diety...the age ole cry of both blatant and disguised hate-filled, brainwashed, idiots.
Why so angry?
One reason religion is so angering is that it doesn't help to solve anything. This world is being destroyed. Humans have a complete disregard for the world around them. We don't take into account the damage that we cause. Whether from deforestation to pollution. One would think that religious people would care more about it than non-religious people as we are, in a christian's view, destroying the land that god made. Religious people go blindly through life, not thinking for themselves, but simply saying "that's god's plan". Plane crash? "God needed some more angels." Animals are in a crisis because we caused endless destruction to their world, yet instead of trying to find a solution, religious people just say that "it's all god's plan" and "the earth goes through cycles". It's angering because those of us who actually TRY to do our part to help and promote a healthier planet are outweighed by the actions of all the people who just don't give a damn. Every time I take my recycling to a recycling center (because my apartment doesn't offer recycling), every time I bring in a reusable bag to the grocery store, every time I turn my water off when I brush my teeth, every time I don't eat an animal, every time I walk instead of drive... the list can go on and on.. I don't mind carrying a bunch of recyclables to an inconvenient recycling center, but it's angering when really all I'm doing is offsetting all of the other people (which outnumber me) who don't do ANYTHING and make it worse.. it seems futile sometimes.. and it's angering.
Plane crash – not God's will. Those are caused my mechanical or pilot failure. I don't know why people try to make it something spiritual. Maybe they just don't know what to say. Nothing wrong with showing some concern about the earth (since God made it for us to have dominion over) but I think at the present time God is more concerned about people (flesh and blood) than inanimate objects (the earth). In the end, it says the earth will be destroyed and re-made (old things will have passed away). So ultimately it won't even matter – but the people are what will remain.
I am so sick and tired of people complaining about other people judging them. Are you so thick headed that you don't even realize that you are being judgmental by telling other people not to judge? Everybody judges. It cannot be avoided. It happens constantly. Stop being illogical. You are judging others all the time based on your personal standards. Hypocracy is the problem, not judging. There is nothing wrong with judging, if you are willing to live by and to be judged by the same standards you judge others by.
Try viewing God as the loving Father that created you. His Judgement is that of a loving Father which would be similar to the judgement of the Father that married your Mother, presuming you have a decent relationship with them.
"Befriend the one who seeks the truth...beware the one who finds it."
I grew up in a small town in the Midwest and watched this new breed of ministers pry money out of the hands of people who could barely afford to get by. It was sickening. The Woodlands Texas is home to several Mega Churches including one twit who had a full scale pirate ship built in back of the altar for a sermon, made kids walk on corn starch and water, auctioned off a monster truck. Another MBA preacher down in the city has his kids secretly in elite private schools paid for by the financially challenged members of his congregation. Didn't Osteen's wife get tossed off a plane for her behavior a couple of years back.Wanna be a Christian ? Shut up and lead by example.
J. O sickens me. Another rich Ba****d trying to use Christ to justify his big business approach to Christianity. I'll just bet they'd be happy if they lost everything Lol. First thing he'd do is find a new path to riches.
I didn't watch all of it, but from what I did see, Joel didn't really answer any questions with any conviction. And I got sick of seeing his wife look at him with such blind devotion. Doesn't she have any opinions of her own?
By the way, doesn't Joel Osteen seem kinda girly?
You sound like a feminist. Shame on you.
His beard was definitely the most annoying part of that interview.
But all those TV evangelists' wives are the same way. The money is rolling in, they're living in the lap of luxury, their hair is starched and sprayed, so why wouldn't they stare with vacant devotion at the source of their mega-millions.
As a motivation speaker – Joel is a great speaker. One of the great things about being an American is our freedom of religion and to disagree with one another. I find it sad though how many people are quickly stirred in contention (which is of the devil) when people speak of reilgion. Jesus' message was about love – loving your neighbor, but by stirring contention this is neither Chrisitian, or loving your neighbor. I love talking about religion, learning why and how people have developed the convications they have. As Christians – we should all be willing to share Christ's message without being stirred up. With all that said – I have always disagreed with excessive paid ministry. Recently I heard a country song and part of the line was – "If Jesus was on TV would he wear a Rolex?" and my belief is – he wouldn't. My belief is – if you're the preacher of a meagachurch – you are not the owner – Christ is and the people who support it. Should you be making millions and living a high life while those that support you are living paycheck to paycheck – no. Any preacher of any megachurch should be paid a very modest wage. If he/she desires to make more – write a book, or find another way to make your riches. Don't make your wealth off the back of the followers.
I agree with your statement about people being contentious when religion is a topic for conversation, Its something we see everyday and that is sad. The Scriptures teach us that the natural man is an enemy to God and will be forever and ever untill he yields to the enticings of the holy spirit. So if we argue that is of the devil but if we want to understand one another we can uplift eachother and be influenced by the spirit of God.
I think if you watched the interview he said he does not take a salary from the church but does live off his books and other media he's authored. I believe she is writing books now as well.
But even if he did take a salary from the church it would be scriptural as Galatians 6:6 says, "Those who are taught the word of God should provide for their teachers, sharing all good things with them." But, of course, that does not apply to "false" teachers, which I'm not saying Joel is.
Has anyone ever seen CNN have a Muslim on the show and he asks them about stoning people, supporting their children strapping bombs on their bodies to kill innocent people, and women living like slaves? But Christianity, a much truer and decent religion is attacked regularly. This is why CNN is a joke. Good luck seeing this posted. on this site.
Dan – I'm sorry you feel this way. Just beacuse the Olsteens where asked personal and trivial questions shouldn't be viewed as an attack on Christianity. Jesus was not stirred up by what others said about him, or his followers. He actually time and time again supported both his followers and non-believers. Jesus taught to turn the other cheak, so anything less than this and doing so in humility and with love is not what Jesus' message was about, nor should his followers adhereto. Yes, this is my opinion and view, but relax and understand CNN, nor anyone else who post comments here are out to attack one religion, or another. But if that is how you feel – in my heart as a Christian, I'm sorry for you.
How can you seriously say that Christianity is a "decent" religion.. that's ridiculous. I understand that you can't read the definition of "decent" in the bible, but perhaps you should grab a dictionary there, buddy.
Christianity is decent if you practice it correctly. If not, there is always Confession (a.k.a. Sacrament of Reconciliation) :-).
Uhh, read the bible. There are plenty of verses about stoning and killing non-believers and sinners.
A scarlet woman was about to be stoned for her sins by the townspeople until Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". One by one they all dropped their stones and walked away. What you don't see in that verse is that then a rock sailed right past His Head and struck the woman right in the forehead, knocking her out. Jesus whips around and says, 'Mother!"
Not all Muslims are like that, you are generalizing a religion and attacking it while at the same time complaining about christianity being attacked. You are only backing up the stereotype that christians are judgemental hypocrites (not saying I agree with it), think about what you are writing next time
That's life in America, guided by the liberal News Media. No one would dare criticize or belittle Jews, Muslims or anyone else, but it is Open Season on Christians.
"Religion is a snare and a racket". – JF Rutherford.
The speaker of these words didn't realize his religion was guilty of the same sins as any other. However ... truer words have never been spoken.
There are thousands of examples (greed, immorality, envy). Open your eyes. Use your brain. You can do it.
Receiving Christ as saviour is not a religion, please educate yourself.
'Receiving Christ as saviour is not a religion, please educate yourself.'
What are you going to say next? Going to Packers games does not make you a sports fan?
"Receiving Christ as saviour is not a religion, please educate yourself."
I didn't say anything about Christ. It would seem that you need to learn to read. Please educate yourself.
@cedarrapids, No. what is means is, religion is based upon man's own merit and not the GRACE Christ has bestowed upon us because no matter what we do, we cannot attain our own righteousness, which religion seeks to propose. We must all fall down at the mercy of Christ's atoning sacrificing on the cross and place our trust in HIM for the forgiveness of our sins.
'We must all fall down at the mercy of Christ's atoning sacrificing on the cross and place our trust in HIM for the forgiveness of our sins.'
Which meets the definition of religion.
@cedarrapids, No not religion, its called relationship.
Once again the proof that spiritually dead people cannot comprehend spiritual truths.
"They see, but cannot see; they hear but cannot hear
Objective Aletheia... the dictionary definition of a religion is 'a specific set of fundamental beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.' In choosing to accept Christ as Savior, you're a Christian. Last I heard that was a religion.
Sometimes all you need is a dictionary. But will Christians put the bible down long enough to do that?
Another good use for the dictionary for you would be the word righteous. It has no direct tie to religion, anyone can be righteous so long as they live morally
Dear Cedar Rapids,
No, going to a Packers game does not make you a sports fan, just a deluded one. Now if you went to a Bears Game that would make you a sports fan :-)
Joel, you owe an apology to the millions of followers of Christ who have suffered and died and have been martyred for their faith over the generations; even up to the ten's of thousands martyred in the past year. If the LORD has blessed you with wealth, it is ONLY for the purpose of giving it to those who suffer and are in deep need. You are a false prophet of Mark 7, "teaching as doctrine the precepts of men". The LORD will hold you to account for leading your people astray. With Jeremiah 29, "you prophesy falsely in My name, I have not sent him", declares the LORD. You owe an apology to each of Jesus' disciples who died horrific, torturous deaths without your wealth and arrogance. Shame on you.
Who is this Piers Morgan guy anyway ? Never heard of him before last week.
Just another snotty Brit. Nothing good has ever come from listening to them, with the exception of Led Zeppelin.
Alba go Bragh!
I think Piers was way too forward and rude and judgmental of Joel Osteen. I am not a follower of Joel Osteen's. I am a christian. I have faith, and I believe everyone needs to be respected for what they believe. If he is making money from doing this service, then ok he will get what he deserves in the end but only God can delegate that. Not any of us. Oh and why are interviewers now a days so ugly and stubborn when they question people over any subject. When ever I watch the news or a talk show it is never uplifting anymore. They only dwell on the bad things in the world. Our society is so pessimistic
The tough questions need to be asked by those conducting an interview. This preacher should not be ashamed to proclaim what is in the Bible instead of skirting around uncomfortable issues. It is obvious that he is not well versed in the Bible and yet is the leader of millions. He prefers to be passive about sin instead of teaching the message of the cross. Christianity is more than "feeling good about yourself".
You people who do not know anything about the Lakewood Church and the Osteens, don't know what the hell you are talking about. Do you know how he became be and why, no obviously. You only see and hear what the media wants you to know. And watching him on TV does not do what he is teaching justice. If so bad, a brain washer like everyone says, then why is sought out from every religion in the whole damn world. You can't accept him because maybe you haven't found Jesus in your life and think he is a 'false prophets', who judging now? Oh, by the way, Joel does quote the scripture.
I really don't think cussing at folks is the way to show them the love of Jesus.
Now Shelly fro Texas...you know that's not really cussing
@ShellyinTexas – I agree with you.
I used to attend a non-denom (knockoff of a Pentecostal sect) local church with my parents. Every other Sunday a little old kind and generous (but near poverty level) woman, who after hearing the preaching begging and scolding everyone to give give give to the church, would pull out her checkbook and give the church $25. Conversations with her showed the 'church' never returned in kind to help this widow with a variety of needs. However, the high and mighty (and popular) pastor would then, after admonishing everyone to give their all financially, talk about his many daily trips to Starbucks, how he and the wife would go to lunch every Sunday after church, the big house they lived in, the colleges their children would go to, etc. His wife wore a new suit every Sunday and these were folks obviously well off. It made me sick to think that the giving was not all to minister to the congregation or do mission work, much went to support the lifestyle of the pastor and his family, on the backs of many people who were much worse off financially with little to no help from the church. Sickening show of "christianity" – typical of organized religion.
Tdogg, one man's offense should not cause you to not realize that no matter what we are all sinners in need of a saviour. Get past the offense and hurt and seek forgiveness of your sins.
That had absolutely nothing to do with what they said. Your blanket, mindless response shows that you don't understand what they were saying. Do you realize how much money religion makes? It's an absolutely BRILLIANT business plan. It uses people's fears and insecurities to make billions of dollars WORLDWIDE that would be better spent actually trying to SOLVE problems or HELP people, not add an extra vacation home for the Osteen's. I would say it's disgusting on the Osteen's part, but in reality, like any other business, there is a market for it. If people are willing to pay, why should he not offer his "services"? Nonetheless, all of the money put into religion would be better spent elsewhere.
That's the problem. Instead of following Joel Osteen, you should be following your deity.
AA, more people were killed in the name of Jesus and the christian religion than any other religion in history. Do some research.
Maybe so, but this was not the commandmant or will of Jesus, this was mans own sinful and mistaken interpretation of scripture. Any who kill in the name of Jesus are not fulfilling the will of God.
Re: Average American...well said, you should be Pier's next guest! CNN: how about interviewing the Average american...not these far right and left nut cases. Come to my house, come to the house of the Average American...see what we think, what we watch, buy, believe....we are intelligent, hard working and can usually spot a nut case from across the room. We are moderate politically and religiously...we help others, have empathy for even those that we don't agree with, we don't blame ONE person for troubles that are years in the making, we are curious...THATS your story ....
Jesus came to seek and to save those who are lost. That's the message, anything else is another gospel and cannot save. Political views etc, etc, just mumbo jumbo, once again cannot save.
Do any of you know the Osteen's personally? If you don't then you really wouldn't be qualified to commint on what they are or how they do things, or treat their children, etc.
I don't go to Lakewood, but I live in Houston and do go to a different church. I believe that they get a bad rap from Christians as well as non Christians. Do you really believe that God wants you to sit around moping being depressed and beating your self up? It is truely the opposite of what I believe. Christians say that he doesn't preach from the bible, and that he is a feel good preacher. Well, I can see your point of having more scripture in his sermons. He does read scriputre in ever sermon I have heard on TV, and he always invites every view to except Christ at the end, and suggests you find a Bible based church. Seems like a pretty stright forward Christian message to me.
As for the person that said he is another Jim Baker. You must never have watched a broadcast or maybe you can explain how you know both individiuals and can give us comments on your personal dealings with them. So you can validate your ranting.
Sure was intersting how Piers seem to try and make them look greedy. I don't personally believe they are but that is my opinion.
I actually prefer Marcos Witt to Joel. I get more scripture from Marcos' sermons. But my pastor of choice is Ben Young.
This guy must be doing something right. He's got atheists and "Christians" hating him with equal vengeance!
Jesus said, "beware when men speak well of you".
Aletheia – you Bible Thumpers make me laugh. It's all you know... It's just a book – plain and simple. It's not the answer to the world's ails nor is it a history book. But you zealots shout it from the rooftops as if it was.
I guess when all you're armed with is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
It obviously wasn't presented to you properly.It's not just a book, it's a way of (eternal) life. Try reading it instead of the Internet/CNN
Where are the "hard" questions? Osteen is an entertainer. How many family homeless shelters do they support, how many volunteers do they solicit to feed the hungry. How many hospitals and volunteers to visit the sick? How many Free religious schools do they support? What is his creed? His thoughts on heaven and hell? War? What besides his father qualifies him to speak for God. If you are going to be an interviewer and not an entertainer, do your homework, ask meaningful questions.
You saw one of the Catholics Come Home commercials didn't you :-)? The website is http://catholicscomehome.org
I'm a Christian and I believe that Joel Osteen is spiritual quack. Osteen has NO theological training so I don't believe he should be given a platform to tell people what the Bible says with the level of authority he pretends to have. He and his wife are destined to be the next Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker of this decade and I worry about all of their followers who listen to his mindless drivel.
He said repeatedly in the interview that he has not formal education and repeatedly that he did not know all the answers. I'd rather listen to someon that admits they don't know all the answers than to some educated idiot spewing hatred and living under the law when Christ taught by love and grace.
Jesus did not get certified, nor did his disciples. Don't be the nerd.
Religion is a "business". Christianity is not.
Its very simple.. People are always looking for answers to life and need that gap filled, so they are easily brain washed by monkey see monkey do. The answer lies in the question. What am I? ( I ) We are the power to create love and harmony , but fall victim to so many false visions created by others who wish to control and lead us into a narrow path of existence and thought. Look at all the things cultures and societies believe. Never has there been a time like this where there is such a huge climax of social collision. Joel Olsten is just another person the empty minded need for their empty lives, but it fills their gap and hopefully leads them peace.
People Clear Your Minds and empower your selves.
“When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.” Jimi Hendrix
What you just said has no validity whatsoever.
What is valid? What you believe, so how did you become to believe?
Thank you Ted! Thank you for putting forth the view of those who think outside the box – or the book, as it were. Has anyone considered that all the great religions of the world believe vehemently that they're right? They can't all be right. And I contend that they may all be wrong. Big Bang, Creationism – no one knows and probably will never know. But so many have the need to know – to be led to 'righteousness.' They're more like lambs being led to a slaughter!
Yeah...A jimi hendricks quote...now I've seen it all!!
I hear ya, Ted. These are stories from men, not god. Maybe they were just supposed to be parables or anecdotes but unfortunately, given humankind's general lack of critical thought, they took it as history.
My husband and I went to bed after watching the Joel Osteen and wife interview with Piers Morgan. We are Christians and were flat-out disturbed by both sides of the interview. First, I was hopeful CNN would not have to use inflammatory tactics to interview people, i.e., showing pictures of individuals and openly asking the Osteen's to JUDGE them hoping to entrap them in contradictory statements. He also doesn't just guide the conversations but overtalks to the point of intrusion into another's thought processes. Personally I don't think Oprah liked it either. On the flip side, the Osteen's were disappointing in some of their responses seeming to work REAL hard to stay on the fence of non-commital to their beliefs. They were interviewed for their Christian beliefs so we feel they should have stated clearly and succinctly their Christian beliefs but not wallow in a pool of niceness. Christians are supposed to walk in truth and the Spirit of light, not giving yourself the glory for never getting mad. They should read Revelations about God wanting to spit those out of His mouth who are "riding the fence" or lukewarm. He is a leader in Christianity and should speak thusly. Back to Piers: We would sure like to see him succeed but should quit trumping people's opinions with his own or his tactics to defame.
Every community has a variety of preachers, pastors, bishops, rabbi, etc., that provide personal spiritual guidance for little to nothing. Small churches struggle to provide services to the community. They don't charge people for spiritual guidance. Why, then, would anyone want to give money to an individual that will never know them, will never hold their hand through a personal crisis, will never know to pray for their sick child by name? If JO's wealth is a blessing from God, then why are do those most able to provide personal, meaningful spiritual guidance struggling to do so? Joel is an entertainer. If you want entertained, fine. If you believe in supporting faith in your community, please look much closer to home.
In the end, you'll only answer for yourself. Being preoccupied with what other people have, don't have, do and don't do is a waste of your time that could have been spent doing something good yourself.
People, would you please stop judging. All you hypocrites. Olsteen knows he can't take the money with him when he dies. Stop worrying about money so much, is that all you people can do... If you have no money right not, you have the same right as him to make money. That has nothing to do if he preaches Gods word or not. The money fell into his laps because he has a clear heart, he is not perfect and acknowledges it. I am a poor person and don't belong to his chuch and I even understand the situation. Stop comparing his income to biblical times. People were broke then but probrably rich in other ways. Im sure they were always fed the best in conpensation and that was a big sacrifice in those days when monetary funds were practically non-existant, so watch how you judge this man, if fact you just plain old should't judge. Let God do the judge and you do the living. Most of you, if you had his money, you say you would give it up for charity, now let me ask you, would you open your door to your nice elegant home with all that money and give out to stretched out hands each and every day, would you take any of those people into your home and feed and clothe them, would you give up your home and you enter the streets and continue to preach the word...No you wouldn't...It never happened to you yet, but when it does, you will change your tune. They are nice people, if thousands of people want to give to their cause, then so be it. If their heart is in the right place then they will stay afloat. If its done in the wrong spirit, then they will fall. they always do. So stop hating on the olsteens, they are legit. You dont know all of the facts and you speak from afar without knowing the history and what was done to accomplish where they are today. There are rich religious leaders in ALL denominations, there are rich priest, pastors, reverends etc... most of you haven't a clue so, Stop hating and Stop judging others.
While I enjoy listening to his sermons, as they do match up with what I am currently experiencing in my life, the persona that he and his wife show are sickening. They act like they are better than anyone else, no different than any other religious icon....Jim and Tammy Faye Baker come to mind. Yeah, you can thank god for riches, but money has always been considered a sin cause it causes nothing but problems. I'm sure his dad wouldn't be all too pleased if he knew how he was sensationalizing the church that he started....he has become such a celebrity, that i'm sure you probably can't get anywhere near him, like you should be able to do with the pastor of your chuch – he probably shuns everyone to the people below him.
Sir, obviously you have never been to Lakewood Church, because if you did you would know that after each weekend service (a total of 3), Joel and Victoria greet each person that would like to meet them. Not sure this goes along with your idea that they "shun" the people "below" them. I'm pretty sure if they really thought they were better than everyone, else as you claim they are, then they would not make the time to do this. Heck, if I was them after three services I would just want to go and take a nap, but they don't. =) Each time I have met Pastor Joel and Victoria, they have been extremely warm, gracious, and loving. Maybe you should actually come visit the church in person and maybe your viewpoint would change. God bless!
Joel Ostein? what do you expect to come out of his filthy dirty mind?
"Smarmy" is the perfect word to describe the snake oil salesman character of Joel Olsteen. He comes off as a sickeningly smug. rich brat with a platinum level dental plan. Personally, I just want to puke when he smirks and spews his money-grubbing concept of biblical purity. Certainly, he's to be applauded on milking and herding all his cattle for such a handsome profit. Afterall, this is America – and apparently, there are plenty of cattle.
II'm an atheist and I like Joel. So he makes a lot money? So what? From my point of view, that's nothing new. All your church make a lot of money. Getting married, you charge. Getting divorce, you charge, etc etc. Some fees are significantly higher than it takes to register with the gov might I add. For gods sake, the Pope is living in a freaking palace. So stop being a hypocrite church goers, you can't love the Pope and hate Joel for the same reason, i.e being rich.
READ ALL THE BOOKS WRITTEN BY THE GREAT SIR JOEL O STEEN AND HIS WIFE SECRET VICTORIA AND YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN
And they wonder why people despise TV evangelists.
I can't believe people actually buy into religion anymore. Its so painfully obvious that the Biblical God does not exist. When was the last time you actually, truthfully talked to him? Why is he so quiet? Use your brain. Its like Santa Claus...but for adults.
Your statement just proved your gross ignorance.
Let me clearify that, Exactly bb, not to Objective Aletheia stupidity.
When was the last time I really talked to him? Briefly, just before lunch a few hours ago, face to face and for an hour long Monday Night from 9:00-10:00.
What do you have against Santa Claus? His real name is St. Nicholas, Bishop of Myra in the 4th century AD/CE. He would deliver food and/or money to desperate families at night on Christmas Eve. The story grew from there, until it got to Germany where his name was Sinter Claus (German for St. Nicholas), until they migrated to the U.S. where Sinter Claus became Santa Claus. So is Santa Claus real, absolutely. Maybe not the way you think of him.
Truthfully, I talk to Him everyday. He answers my questions and responds to my prayers and no I don't mean I hear voices :-P But seriously, to a Christian He is not silent, but is a very active part of life. The scripture says, "My sheep will hear my voice." Now to everyone else, the scripture says the evidence of His existence is seen by His creation, so that there will be no excuse. Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
I thought Piers was very hostile to the Osteens. There is nothing wrong with what Joel is saying about having God's blessings. Don't you remember King David, Solomon, Moses, Job. If you haven't read their stories you would know already that they had riches. They continue to worship God. Don't forget that people have free will to choose and sometimes people make terrible choices.
He's a Brit! It goes with the territory.
Alba go Bragh!
All of you are losing sight of the single most important fact about Joel. His wife is HOT. I can really see her in Victoria Secret products.
To quote the Biblical authority BST:
"I swear there ain't no Heaven, and I pray there ain't no hell".
Olsteen has no right to call gays sinners. People have the right to live their lives as they wish. Just as people who follow Olsteen wish to believe that there is this little man up in the clouds that has ten commandments that we are all expected to live by. The bible teaches us that money is the root of all evil, but then passes around the collection plate.
Your right everyone has a right to live the way they wish, but he also has the right to call gays sinners because that's what God calls them, and every single one of us straight people. That's the reason why we all need to repent and turn from our sin in order to be forgiven.
Thankfully there are churches, pastors, Christians who actually put the Bible into historical context and have gone on record stating being gay is not a sin. When you read it in historical context you would understand that no where in the bible does it condemn ho-mo-s3x-uality as we know and understand it today. Remember the text is talking about pagan rituals, worshiping pagan gods and pro-sti-tu-tion.
So God wants you to be rich while 23,000 children die from poverty everyday. If you really believe in the Lord and truly believe that's what Christianity is all about, so be it. When the time comes and your in the big face off, hopefully, you interpereted correctly. If so, you're golden, if not....
Heres another true to life saying"FREE YOUR MIND AND YOUR A** WILL FOLLOW"- Parliment/Funkadelic. Some of you people have NOTHING AT ALL TO DO BUT COMPLAIN and Point fingers...SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! You can disagree with a person or an ideal...thats your privlage but when you start talking about a person and don't know the truth now your talking out your A@#.Half of you have never picked up a bible and never have a good thing to say about anybody...even your own miserable self! Hey if you don't believe in God,hey thats your problem but who do you call on when things get rough...OH GOD HELP ME.If Joel and his wife are crooks a charlatans as you think...TRUST ME, GOD WILL DEAL WITH THEM...NOW HOW ABOUT DEALING WITH YOUR OWN SELF FIRST...AND SHUT UP AND BE AT PEACE!
Joel Osteen never mentioned the main example that Jesus stands through all His life: Humbleness....Of course. Osteen couldn't do it when he's living in a millions worth house and driving a sort of expensive cars. No mention gold credit cards, travel in first class (as one that they were tossed of the plane for misconduct) and lodging in the best 5 star hotels where ever he goes. I forgot. on his out of town preaching, HIS ORGANIZATION CHARGES 10 BUCKS FOR LISTENING HIM TO PREACH "THE SALVATION."
The Bible is really just an old book and throwing around scripture, verses, or the name 'Christ' as a threat or means to bully others isn’t helping your cause. If you choose to believe in someone or something – by all means, do so! But don’t condemn others whose opinions vary...
Please share your enlightenment...
One more thing. Around 300 years ago, the Peruvian Indian Chief Atahualpa was sentenced to be burned at the stake because he could not tell to the Spanish soldiers where it was the famous El Dorado, where it was believed the Indians kept the gold. The grotesque of this story is that before starts the fire, the Catholic priests asked Atahualpa that before his death, why he did not convert to Christianity ... The Indian Chief said these wise words that today could be applied to Joel Osteen and all these merchants religious: "If heaven is full of Christians as you, I'd rather go to Hell."
I'm sorry all you bible thumpers. Digging up some artifact and saying "see this proves it" is almost as bad as reading the bible and saying "see this book proves it". Dah, the bible is a poorly written hard to read and understand ficticous novel of what religious leaders (especially the Catholic Chruch) want their sheep to believe so you'll keep coming in, donate your hard earned money and ask for forgiveness of all your weeklly sins. Then go back out to your life and be self rightous hypocrites, crap on your neighbors and friends, go back to church, hand over some more of your money and then ask for forgiveness once again. Sounds alot like the hamster running in its cage on the wire wheel doesn't it. You know why? Because that's exactly what it is. Come on people wake up and smell the coffee and take control of your own destiny and quit letting some religious hack tell you how to run your life.
Your statment holds no validitiy and proves your gross ignorance of who Jesus Christ is and what he taught. If you had any education at best you would realize that the bible is the most historical and factual piece of literary evidence given to man.
Then why did the Nicean Council change this marvelous book? MEN decided what would go in and what would not. You are the one that should do your homework and check your sources. The present tome is about perpetuating a religion, not about transmitting the actualities about this wonderful, self-aware soul that also embraced many ideas that come from many other systems of self-inquiry, such as reincarnation, fasting, vegetarianism.
And to know that Jesus was not a caucasian disrupts many 'believers'. If any of this shakes a 'belief', it may be best to establish a 'faith' that is built inside this miracle called a human system. Possibly through self-inquiry, meditation, introspection. Jesus didn't want followers, he wanted companions will to pick uo their cross and travel their path to the same awareness.
Factual? It's NOT a history book. It's a book written by MEN several hundred years after the supposed facts, then handed down and translated through several ancient and now defunct, languages. It's nothing more than a big game of telephone! Wake up and smell the latte Aletheia!
Now – is it full of stories and life lessons that we can all learn and grow from? Absolutely – among so many other pieces of classic literature. But is it the word of God? When I see his name on the byline then I'll believe!
Open your mind to other possibilities! There's a whole world of wonder outside the box you put yourself in! "That stained glass window you're hiding behind, never lets in the sun!"
Ok..here it is in a nutshell: If Mr. Osteen truly wanted to be a christian, then he would forsake all the trappings of wealth and own only that which he wears. This is how Christ lived, and literally, Christian means Christ-like. I have no doubt that Jesus lived. He was a man that knew how to communicate effectively, but that is it, only a man..just like the rest of us.
Yes, Christian means Christ-like, not BE Christ. If that were the case we'd all have to be men and die when we're 33. Jesus' not owning a home of his own doesn't mean He wants us to be homeless. We can't die for the sins of mankind like He did either nor should I go from city-to-city gathering up 12 disciples. If we are to help the poor as the bible commands we can't BE the poor. Most people are broke and live paycheck-to-paycheck. They couldn't help anybody if they wanted too. They're always borrowing from THEIR friends and family. This isn't right either. There's a balance when it comes to "riches." The problem is most teaching teaches man's definition of prosperity, not God's. God's prosperity is that a person's entire life be enriched, not just their finances. No point in being rich if you're sick all the time. No point in wealth if you're alone, without family and friends. People confuse abundance with excess. Abundance is having everything you need AND being able to give; excess is having too much, that you cannot possibly feasibly use. The EXTRA that you get after your needs are met is for giving. The problem is most of us don't even have our needs met. We are heavily in debt and can't meet our obligations. God wants to empower us in that area of our life as well but people have perverted it. Proverbs 30:8-9 paraphrasing basically says "don't be poor neither horde riches, lest you forget God." There is a balance. Unfortunately modern day Christians couldn't handle monetary wealth like the OT believers did and that's probably why we don't have any! IF God gives it to you – it is for you to be a good steward and give the extra/abundance as He directs. Nope, it's not wrong for you to have a nice house and nice car but more than likely it is if you have 6 houses and 10 cars that largely go unused. People need to preach balance.
Two more shining example of the two thousand year evil that is Christianity.
Since you have al lthe anwers and know TRUTH then please share.
He's not a preacher, just a shrewd businessman. "He's a bad businessman, does his business while he can" Yes, Piers has about less than 2 years, if he even lasts that long! Olsteen and his barbie doll wife are false idols, get the picture!
The Osteens are marketing geniuses, it's their followers that are the morons.
"If you had any education at best you would realize that the bible is the most historical and factual piece of literary evidence given to man." Please provide the evidence to this statement that isn't a direct link from the church. I want to see the scientific data.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. Romans 1:20. I guess you will get no more scientific data than....everything.
So here's what I can say as a Christian Im a little disturbed at these interviews, they dont really make much sense, it is to promote self aborbed opinions and to help the image of 3 people, however it does not promote wealth to the poor, increase the image of Christianity or promote anything other than profiling of what supposedly is "Christianity" – You have to be kidding that this is what we consider as Christian standards, I would have to say that the Language was far too reluctant to dialog – which makes me think that the Life we live as Christians is nothing but vanity.
Please people the Osteen's may not be the greatest examples of Christians out there (I live in Houston and think they are money hungry and only preach what people want to hear) but don't let them ruin what Christ really is. There are bad examples of everything out there (teachers who sleep with students, does that mean you are going to believe in education or send your child to any school).
Dislike the person but not Christ or Christianity... Find what God's love is for you don't just listen to someone because they have a TV show.
Perfectly said Erin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Typical BIG business approach.. Stop the $$$$ and see how long Mr. Osteen is still a "preacher". Is he is truly in this for the souls of people???? This whole controversy is a publicity stunt.
PAY ATTENTION.First off, he took a salary of approx $200,000 until year 2005 by which time he was making much off books. Second, He very well may be receiving large monetary gain through "love offerings" and housing allowance. He still owns a $1.5mil home and is living in a $10mil home through covenant trust presently. As far as his teaching goes he has none other than "you can be what you want to be if you just believe it". Following Christ does not make the world love you its the other way around. The world sure seems to love Osteen from what I see. You need no christian self help books if you have the Holy Spirit and the Bible. Nough said!
I thought Piers was disrespectful and that Joel behaved very well. If Joel is not Christian he will be judged by the God in whose name he serves... I heard Joel judge no one, gays and lesbians included. And I heard hims say that all were welcome in his church, no preconditions... But I certainly hear many of you judging and putting preconditions on who is or can be Christian... the logs in our eyes need to be examined...
Aletheia, you're more obtuse than you are objective. Please change your name.
The evil is. It doesn't care what religion"WHICH IS MAN MADE" for your info, it attaches itself to,it's main mission is to DESTROY.Christianity means to be Christ -Like,and yes there are some evil-so-called Christians just as there are evil Muslims,Jews,Hindu,etc,etc but look in the mirror and ask yourself what am I ??? and if you can learn a little from each group would'nt that make you Christ-Like...to love all mankind.
This is related to a question "SUE" asked, which is frequently asked despite its obvious answer: Why are the Kardashian sisters famous?
Well, the first was semi-famous for being hot and dating football players. Then, the E! Channel and numerous multinational corporations predicted that the largely brain-dead American public would tune into a "reality" show based on the rest of the family, ensuring millions of eyeballs and consequently premium advertising rates. Their predictions were correct, which should surprise no one.
So, their fame relies on and flows from American stupidity. This applies to any number of celebrities in our decrepit culture: they're famous because most in our country are stupid. Incidentally, Piers Morgan wouldn't have his own show, nor would Larry King have had a show, if not for that same stupidity.
That is all.
People take Religion way too seriously! If there is a God, he will accept us all despite our beliefs or sins. Stop playing into the hands of these religous salesmen! They feed and profit off false hope by using fear!
I'm not defending Joel or Piers, but what I haven't seen anyone comment on is what Joel's message is during his regular services. Sure, it's laden with his version of the Christian message, but the pervading theme of what he is saying is living a positive life. Regardless of who believes what, and whether he is good or bad, the bottom line is that his message is(for the most part) about living a good life.
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
Ol' Joel is just another in a long line of very successful American followers of PT Barnum.
And the wifee is happy to ignore him being gay with all that dough rolling in
i don't like joel osteen because he preach like he is mickey mouse and the church is walt disney!! i mean, is like a fantasy world he lives in!! i feel like being in the ride of "it's a small world after all" were all the dolls have a smile. The sad thing is that that kind of "fantasy preaching" is what have made him rich!!!!!!! just like walt disney and mickey mouse!!!!
Sharing our faith happens out of the overflow of our experiences in Christ so I'm compelled to post...
When we share our faith the authenticity of our witness can be rejected or ridiculed.
If Joel Olsteen is for real... time will tell. Time is a true...measure of God's character.
I watched the whole interview and thought it was odd that a man who claims to be a "preacher" of the gospel of Jesus Christ never mentioned the word Jesus or Christ.
Scott, I agree with you and that is what I have said about him, he never uses the word Jesus or talks about him in his books or sermons, and that is something strange.
What's funny to me is all of this talk of tolerance yet the second someone has a disagreement or has a different view, they are all over it. The world is a large place made up of very different people from very different parts with very different belief systems. Person A believes one thing, Person B believes another, and Person C believes a third...and you know what, that's ok... That's the beauty of freedom...some of you should appreciate that and be more tolerant of those who have different belief systems.
Osteens = Bakkers
There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE!
Haw, GLORY! Pass the collection plate!
The entire world will acheive true PEACE when all "revealed Religions" are forever gone from the backs of humanity...
...there will be a day....
I thought we were to become more tolerant of one another as time carried on...Why the hatred? With the world turning into a war zone...can't we try a little civility? We can believe whatever gives us comfort, right? If you can't say something nice, don't comment. It makes for a more peaceful planet. My fears are that no one will get along with anyone in the future.
Dearest Tammy –
Hatred? You mean the hatred of so many supposed X-tians for their Mooslum brethren (brothers of different mothers, eh?), to the extent that they've marched their "X-tian soldiers" off to fight the towelheads in their own lands, to force them to "democracy" and steal their oil? THAT kind of hatred?
(Bet the Osteens are gettin' a cut o' *that* action, too, wot?)
More babies for Baby Jeebus to coddle an' comfort – Praze the Laird, an' pass the no-bid contracts!
Diderot said it best: "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
Cletus – that's fabulous!!!!
Yes, Piers treated them rather harshly like a reporter, lack of respect. Tough questions. But Joel was very graceful. He is really a gentle soul. I think he did pretty good but had to answer some questions that may get him into some trouble. I'm not convinced that the question were unfair but more posed like he was a politician or something. I personally respect Joel because he tries to teach people how to fix things. Much self improvement and living within the laws of life. Virtually no condemnation. But he's human and everyone needs to get off the kick of because you want to help that you have to be held to Jesus Christ standards. Its not a bad goal but its a tough job for everyone. If anyone think its easy they are sorely mistaken.
HATE THE SIN...NOT THE SINNER
LOVE THE SINNER LIKE A BULL-MOOSE – SIN'S FUUUUUNNNNN!!!
I would use extreme caution in using the name of God and Jesus Christ to support your bigotry. For if what you believe is true, you will answer to him for that one day. And what will you tell him? That you did those things to honor Him?
You also might want to consider that if your faith requires or supports the brutalization and dehumanization of any of God's creations, you have chosen your faith blindly and stupidly.
And have taken the wrong approach to life, I might add.
Ive listened to this guy and have been impressed by his use of common sense on issues of money, daily living. But if asked a tough question about if being gay is a sin and just refering to a book... a book that was made up long ago, that had people walking on water and other magical occurences. That is not a sane man. In this life we have to think for ourselves and not let ancient text do it for us. Reality is living in the moment, not in the past.
The judgment that Jesus was referring to ("Do not judge; lest you be judged") refers to final judgment of heaven or hell. Only God determines that. But as others have said here, we all make judgments every day: who to hang out with, if our child's school is helping him/her or not, etc.
God never said this world would be fair. Men get their arms and legs torn off at an early age. People are born with deformities. Religious people set up their own god and decimate Native Americans who were looking for the one who came from heaven. Philosophy can argue both sides of an argument and find both to be true or false. Each of us has to search and find what we believe is true. But we have to search.
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
HAIL SATAN! Listen, I was lost. I had huge debt and my kids hated me. Nothing was going well. But then I discovered Satan. I gave Satan what little money I had via a love offering and within months, great fortune has been returned to me. My business has taken off and my kids now think I'm awesome. We spend tons of time together. Life has never been better. HAIL SATAN!
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Gandhi.
That's because many Christians are weak or immature in their Christian walk. When a person accepts Christ, their Spirit is renewed instantly but not their mind. That is why Romans 12:2 says, "but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." For most people this transformation takes many, many years – if it happens at all. Unfortunately, people focus more on the actions of people than on what God says, which is where our faith should lie, not on the actions of imperfect human beings. That is exactly why we need Christ, because we ARE imperfect.
Joel is like Moses – not the best articulator of his views. Why God has chosen him and not the highly cerebral types to draw most people closer to his WILL for them may baffle many but not those who know that God chooses the 'lowly' to confound the 'wise'. Joel is a pain to watch. This is not the guy I see every sunday in church... this mistakes is granting interviews.. he should stop,
Think what you will. When judgement day comes, you will have wished that you would have believed in God, through his son Jesus Christ. What we discuss and the jabs in this blog will really mean nothing. It will come down to what you and I have done personally. With or without Joel, it is on YOU to establish your relationship with God Almighty via your walk with Jesus Christ. I refuse to judge Joel. I have my opinions. I'm neither for him or against him. Because Joel or even a Bible based preacher will not get me into Heaven... I will. I do not judge those who do not believe in God. I pray for them for they will need these prayers when they are cast in the Lake of Fire. The only thing I will say about Joel is that I watched him for the first couple of years.. Went to one "Evening Out". I started to see the same thing being repeated over and over. His knowledge is limited. This is not judgement. It's observation. I pray that all of you on this blog find peace through our Savior Jesus Christ – especially you who said there is no evidence that Jesus never existed. There is no video of George Washington, only books and pictures. Did he exist or not?
uhhh, what? We need video proof? So we can't really prove anything existed before, what, like 1979? What if it was on Beta? Did it still exist? Laserdisc?
I was referring the comment that there is no evidence that Jesus existed. I was making the point that no one presently has seen George Washington. All we have is history and pictures. Same thing applies to Jesus. See one of the blog statements.
"Peace" ... or the "Lake of Fire"?
Yer one of those guys who smear pig blood all over themselves and chase screaming kids through one of those "alternative haunted houses" during yer congregation's "alternative Fall Festivals" on Oct. 31, every year, hopin' to "win a soul"...right?
Fun times – pra' "Bob"!
I went to the Lake Of Fire for summer vacation last year.
It wasn't all that. But the dudes were SMOKIN' hot!
First and foremost, I am a Christian and have been attending Lakewood since 2001. I enjoy the overall experience, but I do agree that Joel does not utilize certain aspects of the Scriptures enough. For all those who believe he is misleading the general public in relation to true salvation, refer back to his first interview with Larry King. He neglected to reveal to the world that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven, and beat around the bush. The very next weekend however, he stood before thousands and admitted his mistake, crying in front of the entire congregation expressing his sorrow at his missed opportunity. I was there, it was sincere. His preaching style is different, but as Christians, we all know that everyone is blessed with different Gifts of the Spirit. His is to be positive and optimistic for all those who need it. If you are looking for a more aggressive style, I suggest you look elsewhere. After all, the way of the Cross isn't easily comprehended by non-christians, so I do understand the animosity directed towards him.
at least he admits there is one way to heaven...not like oprah who says there are many ways...
how, by owning your own network Oprah
SHE is the devil in talk show host clothes
Absolutely. Beware of false prophets...!
Yup, Oprah's the devil.
And Maury Povich is Jesus.
Holy Maury Mother of God: http://holymaurymotherofgod.tumblr.com/
I have nothing against people spreading the gospel...however, I think that we need to get back to the bible teaching days instead of focusing on any and everything else. I guess it depends on why you go to church?...I personally enjoy the music but I go to learn the word of God and that should be the focus of all of us. Some people fee that it's all about just getting people in the door...I believe it should be about teaching what The Lord has to tell us. I also feel that if the bible says it...I believe it......STOP CHANGING THINGS AROUND TO FIT YOUR VIEWS! It isnt about what you think, it is about what Jesus thinks. Hate the sin, not the sinner, we all are given the choice to follow or stray...
I don't get why this is such a big deal. I don't recall this guy ever saying he was the second coming or anything. Isn't he just trying to make learning about the bible interesting. Have you ever been to a catholic mass? I have all my life and he is definitely more interesting, doesn't tell me I am going to hell and hasn't molested any children that I know of.
Too bad we don't have more school teachers like him. If you don't like him, don't listen to him. Where does he get his money? If people are paying on some hope of getting some favor with the lord, they are just idiots. If listening to him or buying his books makes you feel better, makes you a better person, then great.
to m,ake the bible interesting, you have to actually QUOTE it
"...hasn't molested any children that I know of."
Best. Line. Of. The. Whole. Blog!
Joel needed to stick to the word. If you are going to state that it is against God's word to be gay, then 1) cite the passage "Men should not lay down with other men...etc" and tell this jackwagon that they hate the SIN, NOT the PERSON
that way you do not offend anyone and you can still do you calling work without people closing their ears
this whole interview sounded fishy...like a set up
And if you talk to any knowledgable hebrew scholar they'll tell you that the verse you're quoting is probably the most mistranslated and misconstrued verse from the Old Testament.
I always find it funny how so many people know, by heart, that one mistranslated, misconstrued verse in Leviticus but would be hard pressed to tell you what it says in another verse and chapter without having to open their bible....and that speaks to the hate that they have within them and says absolutely nothing about gay people.
Why does 'christian love' appear identical to hate?
Using "scripture" to try to defend or proove your religious beliefs is like using Wikipedia as your source of information in trying to proove you're right about something.
My point? Both the bible and Wikipedia were authored by people who put into them what they want. Both have been translated, edited, redacted, revised, etc.
The bible is not the word of God anymore than Wikipedia is the arbiter of facts and truth.
For the record, I absolutely believe in God. But I do not believe in religion or that the bible is "the word of God". Both religion and the bible were created by MEN to manipulate, control and profit from others. Joel Osteen is just one of millions of people throughout human history who have used other people's love for and fear of God to earn a living.
You don't have to go to church to know God. You don't have to read the bible to know God. It's man who has told us that we have to do those things....NOT GOD. People who tell you otherwise are just trying to sell you something that they foolishly bought into themselves.
Just curious...if you don't need to go to church or read the Bible to know God, then how are we supposed to know Him/build an intimate relationship?
By simply appreciating and respecting all that he created...including and especially your fellow human beings.
What makes you think that God intended for us to have "intimate relationships" with him.?
.....other than other men telling it to you...and then wanting something from you...your time, your service, your obedience, your fear, your money, etc.
Christinanity is Chrsit the Son Of God who gave his life for us and free us from our sins. Preachers are Gods chosen people and yes there are many who are dressed in sheeps clothing and only for profit. and as christians we are all preachers to those who want to hear the word and the word is God.
My thought of Joel is God is using him as he does me and you for his purpose if you are a believer of Christ One God
God himself will show you how we should not judge a person. Joel teaches gods word and if Joel and his family prosper so let it be for it is God who prospers one and Joel and I and you will be jjudge by God almighty our Lord and savior AMEN
Well said, Zivo24!!!
Thanks, Jen! Have a great day!
It is a pity that there is no hell for Osteen to go to.
CNN = Comedy News Network.
@Meek...Read the following scriptures.. I hope this helps you.
You do realize that Christians no longer follow Lev right? That is considered old law. Christians eat shellfish now, wear clothes made of different fibers, etc. As for Cor. if you truly understood history then you would know the word ho-mo-s3x-ual was added later by bias translators. No where in the Bible does it condemn ho-mo-s3x-uality as we know and understand it today. If it truly was an abomination Christ would have made it a priority, he didn't, instead he wanted us to lover our neighbor as we do ourselves. Nice try.
The idea that the Corinthian text is talking about pagan rituals, worshiping pagan gods and pro-sti-tu-tion is a philosophy created by those to justify their behavior. No we don't live in the OT but God is the same yesterday, today and forever and from the OT laws we learn about God's character. It's not like one day God is going to say it's wrong and then later on change his mind. But for those wanting a NT verse, Romans 1:26-28 says, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper," Now one could read it and say to put it into context this scripture was referring to idol worshipers and this would be factual but by the same token it also thus proves why ho-mo-s3x-ual-ity is a sin (as I don't know what else abandoning "the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men" could be referring to) because it lumps ho-mo-s3x-ual behavior in with as well as associates it with idol worshipers (pagans) and we all know idol worship is a sin. It goes on to say they have a "depraved mind", "committing indecent acts" and doing things "which are not proper." God calls the minds and acts of these idol worshipers wrong. Putting it IN context actually supports ho-mo-s3x-ual-ity as depraved and unnatural.
It doesn't prove that at all. It proves that o-r-gies is a sin!
Creo que la entrevista fue un exito, finalmente la curiosidad de piers acerca de la vida cristiana fue satisfecha... aunque para él sea muy dificil creer que hay personas que jamas han tomado drogas y alcohol, pues eso nos lo ha dado DIOS y es la promesa para nuestras vidas ...la vida eterna y familias enamoradas, padres con sus hijos y el amor entre hermanos que tanta falta le hace al pais y al mundo.
Bendiciones del Cielo.
This is Christianity, as Christ spoke :
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household"
Your Best Life Now indeed.
Where did you get this quote? I am not for or against you, just curious. I want to read more.
This particular text was taken way out of context and the entire chapter should be read nit just this particular part. This about Jesus explaining to the desciples that he sends them out amongst the wolves (such as the haters on this panel) and to be prepared to deal with rejection. That they will not always be taken seriously or believed. That they are to try to witness and if they are rejected to knock the dust from their feet and move on to the next place. We will be judged on what we know. If Jesus' salvation has been offered up to you and you have denied Him, He too will deny you in heaven. The metaphore of carrying a sword is just saying that these men are to keep their wits about them and not fight fire with fire but to leave in peace as Christ will deal with them on judgement day. Hopefully someone will have gotten through between then and that time that they are judge so that the mercy of God will be exercised. The text of turning against your loved ones was also taken out of context. It simply means to love God first and not put anyone, ANYONE before Him. As His commandments were to love Him with all your heart and love your neighbor as you love yourself. Hope this helps. God bless all of you and may He have mercy on all your souls.
It is amazing the endless chatter that I have been reading and for some there is nothing that says you have to attend a seminary to be a pastor. Most are called by God and to see the proof you will know by their walk; which means the time spent with God and His people. We all seem to know a lot about little. God calls for you to have a relationship with Him and you have the free choice to accept or walk away. There are no tough questions in that. To understand God is to read about Him. The whole Bible was God's way to reach out to the hurting. I do not have enough room on this site to share what I wish all of us could see.
Hey all the haters, why so threatened by someone you say is insignificant, fake and completely wrong? What are you doing to better the world? How about you set up an organization that tells things the way you believe and try doing it without money. I am particularly appalled at the so-called Christians bashing the Osteens. If you're so much better you would know to pray for poeple, not bash them with the Bible. Grow up!
If he would only do as Jesus said, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
There are many false teachers out there. Christ and the Apostle Paul predicted they would come. They hear what their itching ears want to hear, because the moral demands fo the Gospel are too much. Paul said in 2 Corinthians that if any man, or even an angel preaches a gospel, unlike the one that was given to you, let him be Anathema.
She was removed from her first class seat on a plane at the airport here a few years ago because she causes a fuss because her caviar was warm and her napkin was not linen!
Why are we wasting our time watching this? Why was not an American host selected to replace Larry King? Are there not enough American host? We are not outsourcing our entertainment as well. Americans wake up! All you have to do is not watch this nonsense. It is just that simple. Perhaps, CNN will get the message.
To all those who dismiss Christianity as a myth, let me say this. The existence of Jesus Christ as a real historical figure can be verified by over 19 secular, extra-biblical sources in addition to the Gospels in the New Testament. Josephus not only proved that Jesus existed, but was a wise teacher, and a dooer of wonderful works. Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger verified that Jesus was a real person and was crucified under Pontius Pilate in early 1st century Palestine. In comparison, there are only 10 sources that confirm that Tiberius Caesar, who was the Roman Emperor at the time of Jesus, actually existed, and the Bible is one of them. The Bible is the only book(s) that have withstood scrutiny of the highest form, and from the harshest of critics. This is because it is the only TRUE word of God
Even though what you say may be factual, it doesn't make a difference to someone who is determined not to believe. Why? Because it is by the job and function of the Holy Spirit that comes to the heart of a person to testify as to salvation through Jesus and the bible as the Word of God – not through debates and digging up "evidence" to prove something that can only be accepted by faith. Jesus made it clear narrow is the way to eternity, but broad the way to destruction, which lets me know most people will reject the testimony of the Spirit. So none of this is surprising. We also forget that bible says we fight not against flesh and blood – but there are spirits contrary to God and it is their job to do just the opposite – "blinding the eyes" of nonbelievers and keeping them from believing. Faith and belief is not something that is going to be proved by the 5 senses and it's not supposed to be but for those wanting to see something first – creation is all around them.
Although this may be very hard to hear (and much, much harder to internalize) for many of you, there is an unescapable, absolute truth that must be said: there is not one person alive now or in all of history, not one, who knows what happens when you die. Everyone on this forum, everyone alive now, and everyone who has lived, knows exactly (and factually) the same amount about death. When any person, whether self-annointed or annointed via ritual, tells you about death or about what "God wants", he/she/they have ZERO facts to back it up. Again, you know as much as they do.
This may seem simplistic, but once you come to grips with this concept and understand that it is factually irrefutable, then it is easy to separate those that are trying to help others from those who are trying to help themselves.
It is very entertaining reading these posts from people who are adamant that they have all the answers. NOBODY knows. You can believe...but believing is not knowing. Have faith if you want. Or don't. But please keep entertaining me with your judgements.
Since I didn't watch the whole interview, my context is limited ... to that end, when I hear the question, if you lost everything would you be happy still? In this brief clip, we didn't hear a life full of happiness/hope/meaning filled by having a personal relationship with Christ instead we heard my husband, my kids, my ??? as the elements of happiness .... When we refuse to profess the name of Christ as the source of happiness/hope/meaning in life it opens the door for all to exchange the personal call of walking with Christ with anything that makes the message more palatable/acceptable/diluted ... this may not have been her intent but that is what was heard when she didn't mention Christ as the one true source of happiness/hope/meaning in life
This is for all of you "Bible Thumpers."out there.....How could Genesis 1:14-17 be right when it says God made night and day on the FIRST day before he made the sun which makes night and day???
Why does Joshua 10:13 say "The sun stood still" when the sun is stationary in relation to the earth,with the earth moving around it? Didn't the Bible god inform his writers of this FACT?
Finally...Is the Bible god as strong as a unicorn? Numbers 23:22 says so! Of course, unicorns are fictional creatures,
JUST LIKE YOUR BIBLE GOD!!!
To BSherman: While I respect your opinions, you should know that the Bible is not a science book. That was not God's purpose. His purpose was not to show how, but rather why. There are many things that we cannot explain within the observable universe, let alone the supernatural one. I cant explain to you how God created the Universe, nor can I make you believe it, but what I can say is that God transcends space and time, and since he is a perfect transcendent, omnipresent, and all-powerful being. And because of his perfection and his nature, he can do as he pleases. I cant prove that to you at all. All I can do is live by faith
If Osteen and his wife don't really need their money to be happy, why don't they just give it away to the poor and needy? Surely Christ would approve of that, no?
Joel Osteen gives true and Godly Christians a bad name. He spouts self righteousness. He isn't a humble servant of God. He's a self seeking man who wants to get wealthy off those who are too weak-minded and lazy to research God's word....and he's succeeding. I believe the Bible was wriiten by man...inspired by God.
From a very young age I was taught about God, Jesus and salvation. I passed that on to my children. I have no doubt that God and Jesus exist.
Terry, I agree with you 100%. He is commercializing Christianity and watering down the true message of the Gospel. Christ warned us about false teachers, and prophets. Paul says in 2 Timothy that these "teachers" will teach what peoples itching ears want to hear.
Joel and his wife seem like great people. Nice, clean cut, great speakers, and filthy rich. They are model citizens that voted for McCain/Palin. What would government look like if Joel was President? A Republican socialist sounds like it could work!
Jack, Please lay off the salvia when posting comments.
"You must cast off thine worldly goods if you want to follow me". - Jesus
Joel needs to remember what the scripture says, "do not cast your pearls among swine" – this Morgan doesnt get it and has no other objective but to make the Osteens look bad.
These people are no better than email and phone scammers!
Slave traders were rich, was god blessing them?
Enron executives were rich, and some of them probably still are, did god bless them?
Mother Teresa was poor, was god punishing her?
"go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven"
Not give a portion of your fortune away Joel, give it all away. phony
That scripture is often taken out of context. Jesus was trying to teach the young man something and KNEW this particular person's heart and motivation. He absolutely knew this guys heart was tied up in his wealth and was pointing that out to him. In the same chapter later on after that verse Jesus continues in Mark 10:28, " Peter began to say to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You.” Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel’s sake, but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life." Jesus said now AND in eternity, not just in eternity. This is also proved by how God dealt with Job when he lost everything and God replaced it. Many OT saints were often wealthy. Most of us today just couldn't handle it!
Whenever I encounter ideological screaming matches masquerading as "comments," such as those above, I am thankful not to be burdened with belief in magical dead beings. Believe whatever mythology you want - just don't attempt to force me or others to buy in. Our elected members of Congress and our government would do well to set an example (read: Gov. Bentley).
Now we know where the parishioners' money goes; not to feed and clothe the hungry, but to lingerie for the Osteens. Those of you who are believers in these charlatans and other televangelists should read the most recent Nonprofit Quarterly article on televangelists and their spending habits. It's eye opening and shocking. Hopefully believers will think twice before giving to folks like the Osteens because they don't need to buy another jet while American families go hungry.
Whatever. Zealots United have found a home!
Now that Piers has his own show, I remember the first time I saw him was on that show America's Got Talent and I remember his reaction to having a guest by the name of Kevin Skinner. Skinner was a guy from Kentucky with a very strong southern accent and of course he was white. I will always remember that Skinner hadn't said a single thing that would be construed as offensive and yet the look of utter disgust on the part of Piers to this man was remarkable. You Tube Kevin Skinner and watch Piers reaction to him. To what can one attribute this prejudgement of a man he ultimately praised for his outstanding performance? Bigotry. Plain and simple.
“No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. (NIV, Matthew 6:24-25, 31-33)
I am a veteran; I have served over 25 years. However, I have been suicidal for more than five years. At one point, veterans were 3 times more likely to commit suicide than to die in combat. We do seek help; however, the resources available to us are stretched beyond its limits. Whether it is trying to recover from an illness, whether it is trying to survive in this economy, or whether it is just 'trying to be a good neighbor,' I think Joel and Victoria Olsteen have a message that seeks to reach people that normal churches cannot. I am also a Christian and take most of the Bible to heart. Since my friend/cohort committed suicide, I have not been able to enter back into a church. I don't ask why. Job 38 tells me why I should not ask 'why.' But on those days when there is literally no one (the ones you call hopeless ... and yes, we are ... ), the Sermon of Joel Olsteen 'lifts us up for a moment.' I am sure that Joel and Victoria know their wealth; however, it would have been too 'prideful' to answer those questions. It would have also been too 'boastful' to talk about the time, energy and money they do give away. I do believe that Joel and Victoria are blessed; we are blessed to have them come into our homes via TV (if we so choose) and hear their sermon and their encouragement. I think they are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing for this time and place within this era. I am just thankful for their messages; their message of hope has helped me on more than one occasion (helped me to survive one more day).
all religion is based on faith and belief in the unknown for the most part.A buncha possible stories of miracles and real life events. May be so may be not. Believe in something and have something to look forward to after death and have no fear or believe in nothing and most likely die in fear of the unknown and go with the knowledge that dead is dead and then there is nothing. Me? I choose something over nothing anyday dummy! Go figure and have a life.Do nothing and be and go no where.
Why do the Osteens hit such a negitive nerve with such a wide spectrum of people from Christians to athiests? If you read these blogs it appears the Olsteens get at least 75% negative responses from bloggers. Animals seem to detect when a human has negative energy. It appears that you bloggers also have that detection skill. If the Olsteens read this blog it should be a wake-up call.
CWA , there is no scientific proof that jesus was god's son.If you can come up with some I will become a priest.not one who touches little boys,one who serves god.
The Osteen's are about as "religious" as my atheist Grandmother. They are a fraud and should be made to pay taxes like everyone else. I am sick of people trying to push religion down my throat. If there is a God, he would be ashamed of all of us. Humans invented organized religion....no wonder it is so flawed.
Oh? Did the Osteens visit you and force you to listen to them? Did Joel force you to buy his books? Did someone force you to watch this interview?
Joel osteen is just another typical hate and fear mongering FRAUD
You will all have your very own evidence that Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior does exist when you are standing in front of HIM on Judgement Day. It does not matter what any one person on this earth says, preacher or not. The only thing that matters is that Jesus is in your heart. He know all, sees all, and hears all, so heres a little tip – Just be careful what you say, do, and also what you think.
You're a nutjob you know that? You are a shining example of idiotic, blind faith. Ignorance must be bliss right? Please, tell me it's so. Sometimes, I wish I was too stupid to know the difference between reality and fiction. I envy you truly. Feel free to reply so I can just tear apart anything you have to say. I haven't even begun to examine your amusing post. Give me another reason, please.
Actually yes I am a very blissful person and I am very, very proud to know that I have FAITH in JESUS. Sounds like you need to take my advice you sad, sad ,sad pitiful person. MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY I WILL BE SURE TO SAY A PRAYER FOR YOU TODAY BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED IT. Be sure to comment back if you need another prayer. GOD and i have daily conversations. LOL call it crazy or not. See you at the pearly gates.
I would also like to add I DO NOT care for the Olsteens but they are not for me to judge.
After reading most of the posts on this page I've concluded that most all of you really scare me. Such animosity on both sides of the fence.
John, it's really hard to not be angry when you see so many people purposely being ignorant. They come here and spout typical religious nonsense, and try to use logic to back it up, when in fact nothing they say makes any sense. Religion has caused so many deaths; people have brutalized each other for thousands of years over what they believe. It's all a bunch of crap. Now, we have idiots that deny science, like scientists are out for power or something. Science is about the truth, religions is about obscuring the truth and controlling a population. It had it's purpose hundreds of years ago, but it's time will come to an end one day. We'll just have to decide if that ends with humanity or before. Everyone needs to educate themselves and discover the truth. Reading the bible is not a form of education by itself. Go read up on all of the religions, check out what's going on in this world, and then decide. If you still think your religion is correct, it's probably your fear of the unknown. It's easy to believe there is a god, because it makes people feel good.
Ignorant-having little knowledge, education, or experience; uneducated; inexperienced.....(Webster's New World Dictionary 2nd College Edition).
The Bible itself is one of the most complex literary works known to man, and I would strongly hesitate before describing those who place value in studying it as "ignorant". Even if you find christianity to be utterly ridiculous- if would be completely errant to describe the intelligence, the knowledge of the history of our world and of its many languages that it takes to study the Bible as "ignorant". Also, I would encourage you not to base your opinion about those who profess to be a christian on the commentary and actions of people. People, no matter our intentions, will always fall short of the example of Jesus Christ set in the Bible. Christianity is often referred to as a religion, when in reality, if you have or will take the opportunity to read the Bible, it is really just a relationship that we are fortunate to be able to live out with the God of our universe and Jesus Christ himself. Crazy as that sounds- and though educated, it is much harder for me to believe all of the claims of scientists in our world than it is to believe that there is a stunningly creative God who cares about the details of the sunset, who forged mountains from dust, who created, cares about and profoundly loves me, and you!
Truth be told, religion at best is contrived by man, at it's worst, it's devil-inspired. Religion is divisive and causes separation among people. True Christianity is not a religion or philosophy, but PEOPLE make it so. It is, however, a lifestyle and a relationship (with God).
John, I agree. I doubt anyone who reads this thread (or the thousands like it) actually change their minds. People of faith are actually enboldened by any comments (fiery or logical) from non-believers. Likewise, the non-believers are no closer to accepting faith in their own lives by reading the statements from the Christians. Why can't we just let bygones be bygones?
This dude Osteen is nothing more than a salesman making a buck in the religious marketplace. He has no more to do with genuine spirituality than a guy selling used cars. He has absolutely no more idea of what God is than anyone here, and BTW, don't buy the undercoating!
ALL TELEVANGELISTS ARE FAKES
THEY ARE ONLY AFTER YOUR MONEY
WAKE UP PEOPLE
very well said
they use people's ignorance to steal from them
they are the worst
whats sad is that u dont know any better. there is no stealing going on here. these people are choosing to believe in something greater than us and are willing to support that belief. Maybe u should find something that u should believe in
please , pls.............. that's not. we are blessed, learned from them.although we are far away from the us. we thank God for this oppertunity(tv)
Osteen is a talented actor who talks about the bible. I follow REAL religious figures like Mother Teresa who have sacrified for their religion & life to help people by giving them food, medical care, & shelter. Do you tihnk Osteen would let a poor person stay overnight in his mansion or have one of his several servants help out someone in need ? Does Osten provide anyone with food or medical care. I doubt it. Osteen is busy counting all the money he makes from the sales of his tapes, CD's, and books. He's a false prophet.
[...] yeah he's a false prophet. If people are stupid enough to believe what he says and give him money then there is no hope for them.
False prophet making real profit.
there is no false prophecy here. get a clue
This guy gives Christians a bad name. If God wanted people to be rich, Jesus wouldn't have been born to a subjugated people, to an old man, to a vulnerable young woman, homeless.... Joel: Keep telling yourself it's o.k. and you'll sleep like a baby.
Jesus' disciples were successful businessmen and considered to be wealthy for their time.
To justin1979......If you are "open minded"...please get a book by a christan scholar called "Which Bible"...read it if you dare and I bet it will lead you to dig futher and give you a broader perspective of your KJV.......As far as FAITH" is concerned........Faith has become more of a "cop-out" in lieu of an answer that would have the bases of good human reasoning that would lead to further inquiry and study.......FAITH IS A LAZY MANS ANSWER TO THOSE THAT SEEK THE UNADULTRATED TRUTH.......Think about it,justin
Wow..You people who criticize are so angry and hateful..Maybe because you dont have a savior that lives in your hearts that helps you to love others, huh? Whether or not you agree with what people say or who they are, to be so deeply hateful towards them just proves that you are going to be completely lost when the time comes to make that choice on how you're going to spend eternity..For the rest of us, life is going to be immeasurably beyond wonderful!
The Bible is fake, it was made up by hashish smoking middle eastern bigots and later by european bigots
it was then used to control people–like ALL RELIGIONS
your just sound stupid
Science will eventually explain everything and religions will be nothing but mythological stories
there is irrefutable evidence of Jesus Christs death and reanimation in the shroud of Torin Google it and see the proof
Brilliant motivational speaker, but not much of a Christian. Why is it that I feel the need to take a shower after having watched him speak. Slick and slimey.
I wish for once that one of these show would ask a real Christian those questions. Todd Friel from Wretched Radio for example. If anyone is even watching these comments. Why do you always go to those that have no idea what being a Christian is?
For all the believers out there, I don't judge your faith. But I do question why you would risk the salvation of your everlasting soul by listening to a guy like this, or to any religious leader for that matter. If you're a literate person, read the Bible yourself and draw your own conclusions. Don't follow others. Particularly those who pervert the very nature of what they are preaching. Christ said it would be easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. Meanwhile this guy is making millions and his wife treats people like crap (she got kicked off a Continental Airlines flight to Vail on Christmas Day a few years ago for abusing a first class flight attendent . . . so much for "love your neighbor as you would love yourself")
The Flight Attendant who claimed to be assaulted, decided to sue the Osteens for quite a lot of money. There was a flaw in her plan, due to the fact that her fellow crew members testified that her claims were false and impossible with the time line of events. Case was thrown out.
Religion is just another money making, snake charmer ...SHAM! People like to be followers, even when some are 'FALSE PROPHETS!' Faith comes from being a good and truly charitable individual, in helping those without gaining monetary funds.
I think Pierce was bold and rude and mocking not so unlike most of you have been. I don't know much about Joel, but he didn't seem to have the best answers and could or should have cited specific scripture to back him up. Thay are most certainly there. As far as his wealth goes, Jesus told the young ruler to go and sell everything he had and to follow Him as it is harder for a rich man to get to heaven than a camel to fit through the eye of a needle. The ruler left with his head hung down. He couldn't give up the worldy things to follow Jesus. I wonder if Mr. Osteen could. Perhaps if Jesus had told the young ruler that he could keep all his riches and follow, he would. But, given the choice and not having his cake and eating it too, he chose wrong. Again, I wonder what Mr. Osteen would have done.
We read it when you posted the first time.
Not the expanded version. LOL
The Osteens have a talent and attract people from all corners of the United States (big crowd at Yankee Stadium) and beyond; people who are hungry to hear their "Good News." I found their explaination of sin as "missing the mark" similar to many of their responses-avoidance. Responses to retorical questions or questions regarding Hitler, Ben Laden, the death penalty, civil unions showed lack of insight, ambiquity, a lack of leadership. Joel's response to questions about his life experiences were pure as new fallen snow. A life of which each detail was thoughtout and each step planned and avoidance of a hint of sin (missed marks.) The Osteens have made a large fortune and in my mind deserve the wealth that is theirs, but they don't have a level of comfort discussing their personal good fortune, and yet, they wish to delve into their followers most intimate lives and desires, and faith. Joel would like to have Bono as a friend, because Bono is a cool guy, not because Bono is judged by the good that he does. Christ said to His apostles that he who wishes to be first must be last and even though Christ was criticized by his follower for allowing his feet to be wash with fine oils and dried with the maidens hair, it was Our Lord who would wash the feet of his apostles, and would suffer much pain and face extreme humiliation before being crucified. Victoria and Joel should be judged by the good that they do for others and whether or not they will put themselves last in order to be welcomed into the Kingdom of God.
I believe in our god , But i hate to say it but these so called MEGA churches are a Joke, these people who run it are SHISTERS using GOD for there GAIN,they say what people want to hear and inlarge it Concert STLYLE , make these so called FAKE Miricles and people are so Golable and belieave them. GOD IS THE MIRICLE And he choses them not like these FAKES.ALL they do is steel the peoples Money and put on a good show for everyone. they defintly not stupid , we are stupid to letting them steel from us. not small money we are talkin MILLIONS they are laughfing all the way to the BANK ! Comeon people WAKE UP !! they are takin advantage of u because times are tuff right now and they are takin advantage of it,because people are hurtin and they know it, so people look to them for an escape..........
The day we start making this life the important one instead of putting all our energy into an afterlife that doesn't exist, the better off we'll all be. When we stop believing in an ancient book written by men as being the word of God, then we might stop hating on gays and everyone else who doesn't fit what we think is right. Maybe in a few hundred years this will happen as science begins to prove that we evolved through evolution.
I think that you must be a gosh darn rocket scientist! NOT!! I didn't read about anyone hating on gays. I just read about a lot of people hating on God. Either hating Him or denying Him. You choose. Litterally! You choose. In that choice, you also decide an eternal fate. Choose wisely! You may have evolved (and just barely I might add) from the monkey that Darwin described, but I came from a likeness of God. Not His glory, but His image. I believe in my God and my Savior as you believe in your chimp ways. So go eat a banana and shut up until someone rattles your cage!!
Just listen to yourself. You sound like anything but a Christian. Does your God think it's okay to tell people to shut up and go eat a banana just because they think differently? You are a prime example of why I think most "Christians" are hypocrites.
Piers Morgan is no Larry King and should not quit his grumpy day job.
I was sickened by Piers' treatment of his "guests" the Osteens. He treated them with contempt and hostility. His behavior was unprofessional. Larry King, truely a professional journalist, would have NEVER behaved that way to guests, regardless of his personal opinion. I won't watch Piers' program again.
Oh my goodness, I was so surprise to hear Osteen say "I truly don't understand this" Understand what? Why gays are sinners? Osteen you were chosen to preach the Word of God not your words but God's Word and there are lots of chapters,books and verses that will prove why it is a sin. Why did you get scared? Lack of knowledge? I don't think so. How sad that preachers today cannot speak up with the truth to protect their interests. Even a child could have answered that question. Read the scriptures for the truth shall set you free. Your books have no value when you yourself cannot explain such a simple question. How sad!!! The nation needed to hear the right answer. Read your Bible and pray everyday and you will grow, grow ,and grow. Forget your Bible and you will shrink!!
So, if gays are sinners then why does your God let them be born that way? Huh? Answer that. I hear Christians say that it's a choice. Well, if it's a choice then why do they go through all the bullying and suicides then. I know a gay people personally who was born that way, there is no other way around it. This is why I don't believe the bible is the word of God. There are all kinds of people in the world because we are always evolving. Simple as that. When men wrote the bible thousands of years ago they were practicing natural selection by casting out the gays. Gays didn't fit the norm so the natural thing to do was make it a sin. We are all practicing natural selection today with all the hatred and bigotry that goes on in the world and believing in ancient books as the word of God doesn't help either.
Tis true the bible does call it unnatural but, no, God did not create them this way. Actually there is an explanation in the bible but if a person doesn't want to believe (because they want to justify their behavior) then they won't anyway. But in answer to the question of why they are born that way, the answer is they are not. It is the "sin nature" that we ALL have, which manifests itself in different ways. For example, you never hear a person trying to kick drug addiction or alcohol say, "Well God just made me this way," although they may actually have a natural predisposition to addiction (as some people are more prone to addictive behaviors), because due to the fallen nature that EVERYONE gets from the day they are born, every person has a battle with their flesh.
The flesh is always contrary to what God wants us to do, it holds the "sin nature" and thus the scripture says "it is at enmity" or hostile, to the Spirit/things of God. It always make us WANT to do the opposite of what God wants us to do – until the day we die. It is the source of every unholy desire, whether it be murder, thievery, gluttony, lust or anything else and the flesh cannot be fixed. Specifically Galatians 5:16-17 says, "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please."
One could then ask how do you know what works of the flesh are? Well it goes on to say, in verse 19: "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Interesting how we focus on ho-mo-s3x-uality but never mention any of the other things in this scripture, but continuing on, in contrast "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."
Romans 8:1-7 reiterates it, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." The only remedy we have before we die in winning the fight over our flesh is the Spirit of God.
Oh, for what its worth, I forgot to mention that all the hatred, harassment and suicides are wrong too. No, it's not appropriate "Christian" behavior to harass and belittle people, but one Christian or a few Christians, do not represent the whole, especially those who are immature in their walk. I think people focus too much on the behavior of PEOPLE (who will always fail and make mistakes as we are imperfect) than on the character of God. Not all people represent Him well and thus we should not get tied up by that. I do suppose if evolution were true we'd all be X-Men by now. In just my pondering the idea, it occurred to me when you look at nature, everything actually devolves or decays. From the minute something is born or reaches its maturity in growth, it starts to decay as opposed to grow or change into something else. I guess science would've proved it by now if it were able. I mean we can fly, perform surgeries, create computers and space shuttles, but can't prove evolution? Actually there's a scripture that says the evidence of God is seen in His creation, thus no one will have an excuse. I would have to say don't let the actions of people dissuade you from God.
The concept / practice of making money and getting rich from religion is utterly repugnant. How many more self-styled evangelists are there in our future, who wax lyrical about compassion for the down-trodden, the indigent and the persecuted only to line their pockets and their wardrobes with the alms from the poor and misguided?
True. There will always be wolves in sheep's clothing, but even if I (we) remained broke and gave everything we have to the poor it wouldn't eradicate the problem. Actually I'm reminded of the fact that Jesus rebuked the religious leaders when a woman poured (as in offered/gave) expensive perfume over his head. They said, "Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me." I guess I'm trying to say one can help the poor without being one of them. :-)
Carrie I must say that it is refreshing to see someone on the blog who truly is studying to show themselves approved!! It bothers me to no END that as Christians we do not KNOW God's word nor his CHARACTER!!! Especially when the world is lost and is looking to the church for answers!! Stay strong, keep the faith and keep witnessing!!!
I only take what are good and biblical from his messages, which is about lifting people up because God love us and we are so precious to Him. Nothing's wrong about asking God's blessings (material or immaterial). However, Jesus' teaching is more than receiving earthly blessings (financially, loving faimily and friends, being healthy, abundant living on earth), but focus more on loving God and loving others, be obedient to His words, and "seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well". So building relationship with God is the most important thing in Christian life
All I know is that Joel Osteen has made me feel so much better while dealing with some huge life changes over the last year. He is so uplifting and I think we could all use some encouragement. I am puzzled by one thing that surprised me last night, though. I was shocked when he gave in and said that it would probably be a good thing for the victims' families if Bin Laden were killed if captured. Not saying I disagree either, but if we are going strictly with the bible on everything, such as gays, then how are we ignoring the "Thou shall not kill" commandment???
Hi all... I love that those who don't believe that there is a Christ named Jesus are asking the good questions like, "Prove that He exists" or "how do you know that He is real.".. Beautiful !! I love that you question who is this "Jesus" and is He really real ... You are wise to ask and I hope that you keep looking and asking the questions... It's a beautiful thing when you discover its true. I also wanted to ask forgiveness on behalf of those who curse you to hell for not believeing. That is not the way Christ would respond. Is there a Heaven and Hell? Yes, but I will not be sending you to hell through vain judgement. Let Christ be the judge not me. Just know You are loved beyond measure. those who truly want to know the truth will find it, I promise. No one should believe just because someone else said that He is real, you must seek and find this out for yourself. I dare you to ask the hard questions, be absolutly blunt and real with God. PS... If you do become a follower of Christ please don't get weird, some that become Christians get really weird :( Just be you and stay you.. stay beautiful !! :o xoxo
I have read quite a few of the comments (not all) and I get the feeling that the general consensus of many people is that if you are in ministry and have a lot of money you are automatically greedy and a charlatan. Unfortunately, such people have and will continue to exist, Jesus said there would be false prophets, tares in with the wheat, but that also must mean that the fakes will be among God's true servants and we must have discernment to know the difference. It's like all the fakes and phonies have made many people stereotype anyone on TV with a large ministry. I'm a Christian and don't plan on being poor. Poverty and lack is not God's will. Proverbs 30:8-9 (paraphrase) says if you're too poor you'll steal (and dishonor God) but also do not horde riches, as to forget God. It makes it clear balance is necessary and we're just stewards, technically we don't "own" anything. You can certainly get to a point of excess, but that is different than abundance. I would hate to have people judge me and say you must be greedy and not a true Christian because you are wealthy or successful – as opposed to them saying wow, God must have truly blessed you and that's WHY you are wealthy and successful. It appears to be more about perspective and mindset. As to debating with people regarding whether to believe in Christ or not, at some point it simply comes down to faith. Either you believe or don't. Scripture says we walk by faith and not by sight. In John 20:29 Jesus told Thomas, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” First comes belief, because anything before that is going to sound stupid to an unbeliever. "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14
Done thats right done, I will never watch again. Joel my heart goes out to you and victoria. Piers or whatever your name is what a BIG mistake.
Granted Joel is not a deep, philosophical teacher of the bible – but maybe he's not supposed to be. Hmmm.
I am a big Piers fan, but was dissappointed in the interview With Joel & Victoria. They are such honest good people and he really mad an ass of himself! I have to admit that I am worried for the first time about him replacing Larry, seems like we iwll only get "silly" interviews that scratches the surface, and not the serious world leaders we had with Larry. Piers: you don't always have to be silly and try and be funny, you are allowed to be serious and not be an ass.
Mr. Joel 0steen and wife Victoria reminded me Mr. John Edwars (politician) and wife Elisabet Edwars, though.
I was very disappointed in Piers Morgan's style of interviewing Joel Osteen and his wife Victoria Osteen. It was "Joel Osteen's message" that kept me going when I felt no hope (and I have lived life on both sides of the fence) with regard to status and money. A former legal administrative and executive assistant, who once owned a five-bedroom home with a built-in pool, found myself living in a hotel room with my family! I was humiliated and no longer proud or filled with ANY HOPE, and NO....I am NOT a drug user/addict or an alcoholic. Do not think it can't happen to you...but if it does, one does not need condemnation or Biblical verses to ease the ride. You need a message of hope and the "will to create that which you want to change." God will place people in a position of honor (REGARDLESS OF THEIR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND). If you read Biblical stories, some low-life's of the day were used by Jesus Christ. If you listen to Oprah speak, she was shocked at the path her life has taken (and Piers, you were gushing and blushing during that interview); and yes, Oprah also has a lot of money. You will be judged by God and so will Joel Osteen...as will Oprah Winfrey. The news media has lately been focusing on Charlie Sheen. He is an ABUSIVE DRUG ADDICT; what platform should he be given? Is this because he's an actor? HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL! The Piers Morgan Show should have a program with a focus on how people like Sheen (who is no different than O.J. Simpson), is not held accountable for his actions. Yet someone like Joel and Victoria Osteen you want to NAIL to the cross or cross-examine regarding the amount of wealth they have created in their lives. Shame on you Piers....why not NAIL SOMEONE LIKE CHARLIE SHEEN for an hour. You should question WHY he is making headline news yet he lives the life of a low-life with his drug use and physical abuse toward women! Sheen might end up being the subject of this country's next "court circus" similar to the Nicole Brown/Ron Goldman tragedy; yet, the news media builds him up...he deserves NO PLATFORM or attention. Piers Morgan was given favor when he was hired by CNN to replace Larry King; that is a gift and a well-paying gift at that. Be careful who you cross-examine; favor can change.
TO KAREN ANDERSON AND THE OTHERS:
Please do not criticize Piers, he just arrived!! i thought he was fair with Mr. 0steen.
And peeps need to grow-up instead!! Remember: Religion has been a conflict
Mr. Joel 0. and wife Victoria, reminded me Mr. John Edwards (politician) and the late mrs. Elizabeth Edwards.
They seems in love, though. But they were faking.
We the church love Joel and Victoria we are proud of them for the steps of courage they take!!!! GBU
I wonder if all you folks would still be believers if you were launched straight into the sun or even just into space.
***********wowwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some of these blogs are really out there! I am truly amazed at the lengths some will go to justify their disbelief in god.....and even the lengths some christians go to to bash their brother in the name of religion. Joel makes a living writing his books & pastoring a church....and he earns it honestly! I have bought his books and it was well worth the few dollars i paid for it. as a matter of fact it gave me hope and help that changed my life!!!!! I will bet that as a pastor he has changed alot of lives for the better!!!! Some of you bloggers would do well to buy a joel osteen book it might change your spirit or God forbid "YOUR LIFE"..........now are you ready for this????????????????????????????????????????HERE IT COMES.......................COULD IT CHANGE YOUR DESTINY?????????...................WOWWWWWWWWIMAGINE THAT!
In some of these comments...I can see the love flowing...No wonder if this happens in this media, what can we expect in the real world. Live & let live.
Yes, there are people in this country who still agree with Joel Osteen and disagree with Pierce Morgan
Use to watch faithfully (no pun intended) when we had larry, but after your arrogant interview with joel and victoria. NEVER AGAIN WILL I WATCH. Faithfully deb
It saddens me to read these comments... are all CNN viewers this hardened and hateful? May God have mercy on all of your souls... : (
So glad that Mr. Morgen did the interview with the Osteens. One thing: he could have been a little more reverent in terms of Osteen's position. If the Pope had had a mass in Central Park, would he have referred to it as the Pope's "gig"? I losta bit of respect for Morgen as an interviewer and journalist for this interview. I think it#s important to recognize the type of viewers who will tune in for a segment on the Osteens and while I agree with Morgen asking questions that are critical and constructive, he lacked a sense of awareness of the spiritual role of his subject as well as his subject's belief. Too bad. It could have been a great interview.
Piers Morgan. You say that too much religious enthusiasm may result in war, it is not the religious enthusiasm that results in war it is the blackening of other cultures that does that, all religions use blackening to wall their faithful in. As a child i thought that the stories i heard about Jews must be a distortion, i can believe in bad people but a whole nation inspired by a religion that says an eye for an eye etc., and that are mean as all hell, so what if they are mean weren’t European aristocrats mean to, and that crucified Jesus, which somehow was the only information around about Jews tha ti received, i did not and don’t believe in. Here in Spain there are even plenty of Catholics who say Jews deserved the holocaust. Also nuns told me not to read about other religions for myself it would be fool hardy, i would risk my soul and be arrogant, only specially chosen men did that. I now know, men who can be trusted to distort the truth. As those of all religions know no good of other cultures because the religious commit lies of omission to blacken other religions, we the followers of religions say to ourselves, when it comes to sending our lads to war, "Oh well, those poor people live under such a benighted culture, we will be doing them a service by fighting their heads of state", that is how religion contributes to war, not because of enthusiasm but because of the negative press the copulas of the churches give to other religions, which comes down to meaning other cultures. Spanish Catholics blacken everyone, protestants, they even blacken any country with a welfare state including Spain, countries with welfare states stop being those who have done a lot to wear away unjust classism and become those horrible materialists, they want to go back to the past when classist system ruled and they had an ignorant population to manipulate. rose macaskie.
Being gay is a sin ? Because it is written in the bible ? So the world was created in 7 days ? I am very disappointed in Pierce Morgan that this man is given the opportunity to state such a personal opinion without being thoroughly challenged.
First of all the world was created in six days and God rested on the 7th! And secondly you may want to take inventory of your life and your purpose! If you truly believe that you were just created to exist and do whatever your flesh desires, with no regards for an authority higher than you, than you are truly on your way to eternal damnation!! Get it together!!
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father (God) except through me.
I would rather believe in God and die and find that there is a Heaven; Then not believe in God and die and find that there is a Hell.
I only caught the end of the interview and I dont know Joel or Victoria Osteen. However I was quite horrified at the comment made about forgiving Micheal Vick. If a pastor cannot tell that that vile excuse for a human being is not in the least bit repentant for his sins and publicly advocates forgiveness for him then I dont know what this world is coming to.
Piers, you should invite somebody that can seriously answer your questions such as John MacArthur.
Всем привет! В общем, наверное, люди не зря создают такие темы, даже если просто хотят узнать, в чем смысл жизни для каждого. Как и многие, я зарабатываю с помощью интернета. Пожалуй, немного о себе. Я студент, мне 20 лет. Сначала я закончил колледж (после 9-го 4 года отучился), теперь поступил в универ, сейчас на 1 курсе. Особо универ не посещаю, учусь на тройки, в основном "ухожу" в себя, сижу дома, что-то "придумываю" с интернетом) миллионы не зарабатываю, сео – как хобби=))). Проблема в том, что ни в колледже, ни в университете, я не учусь на ту специальность, которая оч. нравиться. Я – инженер. Вроде более-менее престижно, но – это не мое. И самое интересное, что на КСС-е или програмировании я бы тоже не хотел учиться. Всегда хотел быть врачом. С детства нравиться биология, медицина и т.д. Вот благодаря Интернету, как бы так выразиться, немного успокаиваюсь. Создаю сайты на биологическую тематику, или про медицину, когда вылаживаю материал, сам его "взахлеб" читаю – не могу оторваться. Прихожу в универ – все нудно, все не то. Хотел на зимней сессии бросить, но... не бросил) Живу без отца – только с мамой, которая постоянно твердит, что необходимо иметь хотя бы "корочку". Знаете – ненавижу получать что-то для того, лишь бы оно было. В общем – учусь для родителя)
Я понимаю, что многие здесь взрослые люди, которые, возможно, в штыки воспримут и напишут "будь мужиком", "ты наверное забыл свои яички в детском садике" (люблю сериал "клиника"=)), но я тоже так думал. Почему-то депрессия, началась больше полугода назад и никак не проходит. Вечно пытаюсь себя чем-то заинтересовать, но в конечном итоге все оказывается не то... Каждый месяц я возвращаюсь в себя и думаю "а все ли я делаю правильно". Ведь в глубине души, каждый хочет делать именно то, о чем он всегда мечтал, но получает то, что нужно. Понимаю, что заниматься любимым делом в наше то время – это что-то на грани фантастики. Но все-равно, люди же находят для себя "нишу" и живут благодаря ней всю жизнь.
Сопли, сопли... но тем не менее – в чем смысл жизни для каждого, кто прочитает это? К чему Вы по-настоящему стремитесь? Что бы Вы хотели сделать именно в свое удовольствие?
It doesn't matter how you FEEL about it, the word of GOD will NEVER change!! Sin is Sin!! And there are consequences
for sin!! Period!! You don't have to like it!! It is what it is and it is not going to change!! So continue to live a sin-filled life and see where you end up!!
There is no effort without error and shortcoming
said by a former american president. some of u critics expect joel to be perfect because he is a preacher...but he is not.
he is getting there. and instead of critizing and all why dont we pray for him? that when under pressure he would say the right thing. even Paul asked for prayers like that.
Joel has a massive church and satan would be VERY happy to see him fall. so pray for him that God would complete the purpose he has for Joel. no one knows what God wants Joel to say to his congregation, remember God ministers to people in different ways.
Did God Exist? Do I exist?
If you are a piece of Sh!t it's hard to explain to you that God exists
If you a a god (as Ephesians says we are), you know you exists and are a reflection of the great God.
Period! (em... sorry about ungodly S-word couldn find a better adjective) ;-)
I LISTENED IN SHOCK TO VICTORIA'S ANSWER TO THE QUESTION 'SHOULD THE RICH BE TAXED EQUALLY' (PARAPHRASING)...
SHE COULDN'T COHERENTLY ANSWER THE QUESTION BUT BECAME DEFENSIVE FOR THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT SUPPORT THEIR LIFESTYLE. SHE WAS INEPT AND GUARDED WITH HER ANSWER UNTIL HER HUSBAND, JOEL, CAME IN TO SAVE HER BY ANSWERING IN A WATERDOWNED MANNER.
I USED TO LISTEN TO THEM WONDERING WHAT PEOPLE WERE LISTENING TO...I HAD NO OPINION AS THEY SEEMED TRULY SINCERE.
I QUESTION THEIR MOTIVATION NOW. VICTORIA'S ANSWER CONVINCED ME THAT THEY ARE JUST ANOTHER MONEY-HUNGRY FALSE PROPHETS WHO ARE SURROUNDED BY WEALTH AND GREED.
Joel you can't explain spirit truths to the spiritualy dead, ishmaels are without reason,
My enemy – my conscience .
I had become a regular in listening to Joel. I appreciated messages and his strong way of talking ... but the way he talked on some issues last evening - talked from both corners of his mouth– sad day ... I will never listen to him again
I am disgusted with the wishy-washyness of the Osteens. They are incapable of giving a strong answer. He is an embarrasment to Christianity. On another note, great job from Piers.
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Seriously all T evangelist should be paying taxes at a very high rate. They have been raking it profits for decades and more for conning people. Take away their mansions and expensive cars and they are completely different. They feed from the poor conning them that God will fix it all. Their churches are spectacular but the houses around them are in crumbles. They say God and to fear God. So your telling me God allows for a serial killer to kill another. Rapist to harm another child. For God to be feared then God should turn the weapon on the perpetrator before they harm the innocent. Then and only then can God be feared. They say God works in mysterious ways. I'm tired of seeing another statistic caused by Gods Mysterious ways. Eventually caught is to late, the harm has been done and the perpetrator wanted to be caught to reveal they were the ones that did it for their glory. SOCIETY IS RULING THE WORLD NOT GOD. Jesus died for what so these con artist using Jesus name can become rich and not pay taxes either and suck even the poor fully dry? Lets really get real here. It is man that needs to come together in good harmony. God will never step in. He is only a creator looking in a sort of a petri dish. One day the creator will say this isn't working out and dispose of it all. Clean the instrument of holding it all and put it on his/her shelf. Maybe try something else. Man must come together for intervention. So simple. So logical.
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