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Magician and author Penn Jillette is a guest on "Piers Morgan Tonight" this evening, and he and Piers Morgan have a lively discussion about atheism and religion. "I am a huge fan of proselytizing," says Jillette. "I am a huge fan of speaking your mind. The only way we can share the universe...is by talking very strongly about what we believe."
"I never hear an atheist give me any answers," said Morgan. Responded Jillette: "Saying we can't understand it is not an answer." Watch the full interview tonight at 9pmET/PT – also on the show, Rudy Giuliani and Harvey Weinstein.
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Oh dear Piers.. the burden of proof is not on the non-believer to show how the earth started, why we are here, etc etc. If you want to believe in God, go for it, but the fact that millions like you believe in God doesn't make it true. Millions thought the world was flat at one time.
Piers and Penn,
In an axiomatic system, a belief is any mentally held proposition which may be TRUE or FALSE! You can BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT BUT NIETHER OF YOU CAN ACTUALLY PROVE THE EXISTENCE OR NON-EXISTENCE OF GOD.
I didn't see Penn claiming to be able to prove God doesn't exist, he just doesn't believe in one because there isn't evidence of one. If a claim is made, in this case God is real, then the person making the claim needs to be able to back this up with proof otherwise the default position would be to not believe him.
Quote from a post: "In an axiomatic system, a belief is any mentally held proposition which may be TRUE or FALSE! You can BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT BUT NIETHER OF YOU CAN ACTUALLY PROVE THE EXISTENCE OR NON-EXISTENCE OF GOD."
Again, the burden is on proving it exists. If something is not there, I kind of proved my case. But, if you believe something is there when there is no data, then you need to prove it is there. Believing in something just "because" is completely flawed. Reason, logic, and the scientific principle provides the necessary tools to remove the "beliefs" and provide the facts. The problem is the beliefs are so engrained in peoples minds, they are afraid to question them because fear is one of the (or the main) emotions use to control.
You can show, quite simply, that the existence of an omniscient or omnipotent being is inconsistent with quantum theory and general relativity. And you might say "so what?" and the answer is, without quantum theory there would be no transistors and no internet for us to have this discussion. You can have your god or you can have your cellphone but you cannot have both.
It would be a mistake to suggest that there is no God – the evidence is there actually. Throughout the Bible future events are foretold to the prophets and they occur. The Bible (in Deuteronomy) gives a test for a "given prophecy of God" it must be correct every time – all Biblical prophecy has passed that test with some to this day waiting fulfillment.
Its time to let your guests answer your questions. You come across as a transparent person
BUT the show is not about you. It is about your star guests and you really need to take that in.
Your audience does not want to hear you BUT more of your guest.
The fact is science can prove whether God, the Akashic records, a higher order of consciousness or any other form of a conscious universe exists if they would simply put their mind to it. We spend billions looking for the Higgs Boson because of mathematical conjecture. Why not spend billions looking for answers based on metaphysical conjecture? For those of faith, faith requires no expenditure of funds, it only requires an expenditure of reason.
One reply by a Tim Badonsky stated quantum physics and relativity denies the existence of any supreme consciousness. I suggest he go back to school because neither comes even close. I have a hypothesis the human spirit is an open ended wave/particle that totally conforms to quantum physics and relativity allows the beginning and end of the universe to be one in the same thing. Try this. Time is God. I expect everyone to turn their papers in a week from Monday.
Oh Piers... please, please, please, please interview Richard Dawkins.... AND....
Prepare your best questions AND... LET HIM ANSWER...
Have to say you bombarded Penn with questions and never gave him the space to answer... I think you caught him off guard as he wasn't expecting you to go at him so hard and although his answers were good, you weren't listening.
Totally agree! I think the interview was very poorly done, one sided, and it was more of a "you are wrong because I believe so I am right" type of interview. Given how horrendous the interview was, Penn did a good job. But, he could have answered some of the questions a lot better. For example, I do not believe people should "pray" because they believe in it. If something is nonsense, we must call it because at the end, it is a huge diservice to humanity. Look at what happened during the dark ages, and look what's going on now between muslims and christians. Who said the crusades were over?
I don't know Jenn Jitllette but he came off as a gentleman. Piers was very offensive when he said "At least you are a good dad". Do you have to be Catholic to be a good father? Piers may believe in God but he shows he isn't a believer in humankind. Jenn's comment on after death if he had to tell his children was brilliant. "I would not lie and I would tell them I would miss them and they will remember my love". Piers, the point is to love humankind while we are here on earth whether you believe in God or not. BTW the past two shows you have interrupted the guests. I suggest you learn how to interview or go back to Britain and take up their air time.
Usually a confident and well spoken interviewer yet, in defending an Alien (not from Earth) God, Mr. Morgan has never looked so defensive and insecure. I suggest you avoid this topic in the future Mr. Morgan. And why must humanity believe in an Alien and not in itself. Even the Bible, not written by a "God" says; help yourself. We are "God".
I agree... He should be taken off the air... He is so ignorant and rediculously stupid!!!!
wow how ignorant. Why do ppeople have to be so judgmental? How dare he write a book for millions to read against any god? Its called freadom o speach. Maybe i missed the amendment that says you have free speach unless it dissagrees with christgiqans or piers. Did I miss a backward step in time advocating ignorance? so your question is if theres no god how were we created and what happens? we say we dont know.you say thats not an answer so we shouldnt be allowed to voice our view. well whats yours, you go to heavan, and god created heaven and earth.? no, actualy you just said its beyond your comprehension. so you have no answer. hmmm hypicrytical. i started hateing religion because so many people like you are so rightious, condesending and no toolerence. why do people like you are so adimant that your the right? this is how hate and igorence is spread and flourish. try a litte bit of tollerance and respect. I dont need a god to make me realise this, you are not better than anyone,and anyone has the right to express their views regardless if you agree or not. Im disgsded and lost all my respect for you. I have so much more to say but i think your to ignorant to listen or understand. not like you will even reply Im sure you will just brush this off.
Great interview I love the honesty the passion which piers does his interviews .
Dear D – my thoughts exactly. Piers has absolutely no interviewing skills – namely, listening, rather than continuously asking un-insightful questions lacking any attempt of forethought; poorly attempting a stir-up of controversy, and attempting to convince the interview subject to change their answer. And worse, to accuse the interview subject, in this case, Mr. Jillette, that he provided a WRONG answer, was a new low for the feeble host CNN has mistakenly placed at an interview table on a national stage. The Gillette interview, similar to the Maher interview and countless others, revealed that Morgan is on the wrong show, wrong timeslot, and wrong network. My guess is that CNN miscalculated American audiences as being gullible for Morgan's London accent and fashionable attire (no offense to my UK brethren and ancestors… [go Liverpool!]). And that we'd buy his persona as an educated, authoritative, classy chap who could respectfully facilitate a quality session of Q&A.
Get him off the air, CNN, and sign him up as Jerry Springer’s successor….. Double Anderson’s hour if needed – he’s the real deal!
Thank you, Tim. Piers made a complete fool of himself in this interview, defensive 'beyond belief'!!!!
Piers – Why don't you interview, instead of obnoxiously pushing, pushing, pushing your own insecure and religious point of view? We KNOW, ad nauseum, that you are a good Catholic boy. Why don't you, LISTEN, AND, let the person being interviewed ANSWER, AND try to show some objectivity? Boy, do I miss Larry King. Pierc is, unfortunately for the rest of us, all about Pierc.
He can't be a very good catholic boy, he is divorced. The spanish catholics would presecute he for that which might make him understand why some peoplle have problems with religion, does he believe in harrassing those who dont agree with him? I mean heavy dedicated untill you die or agree with us harrassing, the catholics dont publicly talk of their determination to force people to do what will take them to heaven but it is part of the doctrine they teach if they are getting you on to the last stage of catholisism which is, all that love stuff is soppy, we belive in force to stop people risking their souls. Does he realise this sort of harrassing goes on among the relgious? Do you know what the word for harrassing is in Spanish, hostigando which is to say hosting, as in hitting people with the host of the mass, it is their way of saying bible bashing except it is also the normal way of talking of all types of harrassing not just bible bashing. rose macaskie.
Your right...It is unfortunate Piers Morgan himself does not have enough humility to read these "blogs". It is even more unfortunate that a truly open-minded man, Penn Jillette, must deal with blind ignorance "justified" by blind faith. Maybe it was how Piers was raised, but that gives no excuse to treat someone with such disrespect and narrow-mindedness. It is sad and CNN should be completely embarrassed to have him on air. Better yet, let's have Sarah Palin come on the show and we can witness some REAL intellectuals going at it.
The only "reason" Piers never hears a good Answer about atheism is the same "reason" he could justify his previous work history, habits, and experience. He has a long history of irrationality. Demonstrated by his justification of previous unethical "journalism.".
Should I fear phone hacking?
I just recently watched your interview with penn jilette. you are too focused on your belief pierce. At least penn was honest enough to say he does not now the answer to where he is heading after death.
I asked you mr. morgan, when you were born did you have any belief? your beliefs are not yours. when you were bown you were a clean slate. you had no belief, this is the source, your divine connection. you are so keen on defending what you believe in when in fact its never your to begin with. And your idea of the after life? has anybody come back from the dead and tell you about it? you only have now, do not wait to have something better after this. existence is kind and allows you to experience life and living.
Funny, I gained a respect for Piers. We're here on this planet, this planet is here in this galaxy, and the galaxy in a universe. Man's quest has been to figure out how we got here. There are only two ways we got here – a Big Bang or God. Penne has written a book (I have not read...not even seen yet), that premises there is no God. He likely bases this on the idea that you cannot see God and God has not made himself present in our lives....that's wrong. We know from the Bible that we were created in the likeness of God, our morality, our reasoning, our knowledge of right and wrong are all products of this creation – we are a product of our creator – much the same we are a product our parents even if we never met them – we can no more deny our creator than we can deny our parents. Our creation is not a result of evolution – if evolution were true, we could not have morality, reasoning ability or knowledge of right or wrong – it seves no purpose to survival. Some may argue they are moral,etc and they don't believe in God, but belief in God doesn't make one moral etc – it's in us – engrained at creation. One can be a very moral atheist – yes, exactly, but where did that morality come from – it could not have evolved. Evolution shows us that death and destruction led the way of the developing creatures on this earth, not goodness.
Agree that we have a quest to understand how we got here. Disagree that only two possibilities exist. The possibilities are as endless as our imaginations. Truth is that we really do not know. The fact that you point to God as the answer and dismiss all other options is simplistic (but comforting – I will give you that).
You can’t point to the Bible as proof of anything. If one doesn’t believe in God in the first place, the Bible just becomes an interesting work of fiction.
Regarding your argument that having parents is essentially evidence that God exists – amazing logic is all I can say.
Why does evolution make morality impossible? We humans are social beings, and in order to live together we must draw upon a common understanding of right and wrong. It is needed to live amongst one another in a peaceful manner. Morality and ethics are simply good sense. Why not give each and every one of us some credit for that.
Finally, evolution is a series of endings and beginnings. Don’t think for a moment it is done
All 3 of you are wrong.
We all know from the Book of Jebus that the world is actually just a dream being dreamed by a man named Cobb in the divine ether.
We all are simply figments of his imagination playing out his memory. While you probably have memories we know from the Holy Book of Jebus that in reality he only began dreaming yesterday and tomorrow he will awaken and we will cease to exist forever. We know all of this to be true since the Book of Jebus makes prophecies which are all implanted into our memories. I'm sure if the world didn't end when he awoke tomorrow all of the other prophecies would also eventually come true. 100% track record! Also the Book of Jebus is 100% accurate. No other book can claim that. There is even a parable based on Cobb's mind called Inception which the act of watching was implanted into many people's memories to help them understand the world they live in better. Obviously creative license was taken in order to help simplify the state of the universe but if you have time before Cobb awakes feel free to watch it to understand better.
You might not have heard of The Book of Jebus but that's because we don't make an effort to proselytize. Since this universe was only conceived last night and will end this morning we see no need to spread the word. But I just thought I would clarify this in case it was important to Cobb.
I have a t-shirt that says "I think therefore I'm atheist". that's what the posts here represent, thinkers. Morgan is the other kind.
...doesn´t make it true (only God´s Word make it true...).But the atheistic "I don´t know" for all spiritual questions shows how stupid can a human being can be far from God...
It's not stupid, it's honest. And Penn was correct in saying that Piers was saying the same thing. Beyond human comprehension is the same as saying, I don't know.
My husband and I are totally shocked. Piers may be priggish but until this interview, he was also fair and decent in our opinion. To say that he was offended by a book that disagreed with his belief is outrageous and dogmatic beyond... well, belief! Furthermore, he was offended on behalf of Christians – what about people of Jewish faith, Hindu, etc? We will not be watching Piers again. I hope CNN takes issue with this display.
As an english immigrant to the US, I was astounded that Piers thought it was OK to tell an American that he is wrong for expressing his own ideas and beliefs. Right or wrong, this is America and free speech rules! Piers, I believe FOX are looking for someone to fill Glen Beck's shoe's.. I think you would be a good fit.
Loved Penn's point about Thor. And I'd just like to add that there are many people even today that worship Thor and other ancient Dieties. So Piers saying you respect all people of faith was completely untrue, you meant all persons of mainstream faiths. You degraded those of the Asatru faith in speaking of their God so.
I totally agree!!
Piers Morgan likes to hear himself speak – he is the worst interviewer – don't understand how he got this job. I don't listen to piers morgan any longer.
Dear Piers, On the GOD subject. Why are atheist so worried about something they don't beleive in. ?? Please visit 2 great science based sites on proving GOD is alive and well. http://www.creationevidence.org with Dr. Carl Baugh or http://www.intelligentdesign.org. fantastic information. If we beleivers are wrong then we have lost nothing and we lived a better life for our faith. If the atheist are wrong then...........they took a huge bad gamble with eternity.....and they are SOOO going to regret it.
Yes, yes, the old "Pascal's wager" theory. The only problem with that is that you can't MAKE someone believe something that they JUST DON'T. And "your" god would certainly know who is sincere or not, wouldn't he/she?
Pascal's Wager was nonsense hundreds of years ago... and still is.
If there is a God and you believe in Jesus but God isn't Jesus and he takes great offense at false Gods you might suffer eternal Damnation.
If there is a God and you don't believe in Jesus God might look upon your lack of worship as acceptable and reward you with eternal Happiness.
Just one of millions of ways to defeat Pascal's Wager.
Just heard Pier's rather lame and pathetic defense of religion. Just say you have faith but no evidence and that faith is enough for you. End of discussion. This is so stupid. Either you believe man created a god or a god created man. Since we will never know, end of argument. What about all the "good" people, billions throughout the world ( Hindus, Buddhists, animalists, Shintos, non-believers of all sorts) who live good lives without needing the crutch of religion? If it works for you great; if not, shut up and leave those who have a different opinion alone. Missionaries are the most insufferable humans on earth so sure in their own infallibility that they are willing to tell others what the truth might be. Such arrogance! As John Stuart Mill said a few hundred years ago, if you were born in London a churchman you would be; if born in Pekin (China) , you would follow Confucius. For almost all of us on earth we follow the path of our parents. Don't you think a god that was omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent would make sure we all believed the same thing? All I know is that in reading the history of man, more atrocities seem to have been done in the name of religion than just about for any other reason. As a card carrying capitalist it pains me to say that Karl Marx seems to have been correct in his analysis of religion. Yet so many fear death, that religion will always be here as a helpful crutch. If it helps you, fine; I am glad for you. I'll take the dust for dust approach.
I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use.
Exactly!!!!! The burden of proof is on the person make the claim, not the one who has to refute it due to lack of evidence. Since when does an accused person in a court room have to prove his/her innocence?? No, it is the court who must back up the claim that the accused is guilty. AND good luck to the court if they are basing the guilt of someone based on what others BELIEVE instead of just the FACTS. Same thing with a god theory. Why DEMAND that the person who is stating a lack of evidence for one thing MUST provide the REAL answer to the question? Some people are so brainwashed that IF the real answered WERE revealed, THEY WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY BELIEVE SOMETHING ELSE. It is the people making a claim for a superior being that must back it with something more than just "wishing it to be so". If there was any hostility during this interview, it was all coming from Piers because of his frustration at having to talk to an atheist who would not back down. I find it amusing that so many people, especially men are so frightened of death and must believe in an eternal life somewhere else in order to handle the reality of FINALITY. If less people believed that they got forgiveness for what they do from a higher power and that in the end there is another chance at life, there would be more appreciation and thought for the one life that we do get.
Dear Haters Of Atheists
You are the worst of all hypocrites.....to think your belief is the truth while dismissing Roman/Pagan/Egyptian/Greek/All other gods as "ancient" or antiquated is STUPID. You are stupid and scared of being alone in the universe. Grow up, grow a pair, and join intellectual and enlightened society. By the way, the Earth isn't flat, things fall to the ground because of gravity, the Earth revolves around the sun, and masturbation does not cause blindness.
"Good night and good luck"
the world used to have to use religion in order to keep people in line because humans generally are not capable of running it themselves due to ignorance. so now that our science has told us that theres no place up in the sky the corp and govt are now in charge of keeping people in line.
Yeah ... thank GOD that a few folks finally read His revealed wisdom rather than merely propping it upon their coffee tables .. 'He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.' [Isaiah 40:22] (Notice GOD's humor in and of His allusion to man's intoxication with evolution ... 'like [evolved from] grasshoppers' .......... what irony! :)
Great thread moderating! My reply was to 'Tim Earl' at the very top but somehow had managed to be inserted down here!?!
"Oh dear Piers.. the burden of proof is not on the non-believer to show how the earth started, why we are here, etc etc. If you want to believe in God, go for it, but the fact that millions like you believe in God doesn't make it true. Millions thought the world was flat at one time."
August 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm
I'm sorry, Piers Morgan is an idiot.
I agree... I used to respect him, but this interview shows what a complete IDIOT he is... He is clueless and has no touch with reality...
I have to agree. I've been watching Piers lately and I think he does a good job applying his logical scrutiny to just about any topic with this interview being an obvious exception. I was really amazed when I saw this. It couldnt have been more obvious that he was pandering to the dumb masses. I also can't stand when these guys lob questions out and run away by not allowing the interviewee to respond.
Let me see...if I spend my time watching a tv show presented by an idiot...hey, I´m a complete idiot....
I've never watched Piers Morgan Tonight before and I saw nothing here that would make me want to watch it again. I don't appreciate it when interviewers ask a guest something and then talk over him while he's trying to answer. The only reason to do such a thing, aside from not understanding what good manners are, is if you really don't want to hear the answer. Not having seen the program before, I can't make a generalization about the first reason but the second definately seems to apply.
I agree completely. Also he (Piers Morgan) seems incapable of logical or rational argument.
Hugh I could not agree with you more and think you've said it well. He's making himself look terribly ignorant. maybe he just is.
Wow, I never realized how ignorant Piers Morgan is; the man seems to honestly believe in fairytales. I'm so glad Penn is speaking out for those who don't believe in myths.
Wow, just wow. Piers Morgan is incredibly rude and ignorant here. I have lost all respect for Piers Morgan, and kudos for Penn for having to put up with him.
it seems like it takes more "FAITH" to belive that there is no God than it takes to belive in God- the order of things in life from the smallest strands of DNA to the many galaxies and stars all set in their place – all in a specif order and sequence- could all of this really be a coincidence? Just by chance it has all occured? Hmmmm seems like belive that is the fairy tale
To believe in God, you would now need to be believing in something even more complex than this universe since this being is so superior that it is able to create everything down to the DNA of every living thing. On top of this, you now need to ask where this even more complex being has come from. This is what you think makes the most sense?
Well if the argument is about making sense we could be here for ever – but does it make sense that it is by coincidence you are here? does it make sense that the absolute laws of physics and mathematics that exist through the universe some how DON'T point to an absolute law giver? They all just formed and decided they would be absolute by them selves ?
The "order" and "sequence" is what you derive from the way it IS. In one of his debates Dan Barker points out the important difference between prescriptive and descriptive laws [of nature]. The intelligent design argument should be a dead horse by now.
Your assumption though is that the way it IS – is just the way it "IS" it's almost comes across as if you are no prepared to explore further than that first level of understanding – is it because it does open up the possibility that there are different reasons for the way it "IS"- also intelligent design is only dead in the eyes of those who have the proof of how life is created and why life exists- and I don't believe you have that
Ozzie, you are right, many things are unknown. That's the humility us humans must take. But, when you start providing make-belief answers, that's unfair to the human intellect and to humanity as a whole. It was OK 2K or 3K years ago, but we know better now. If we do not understand something, then we explore it, study it, and analyze it with sound scientific principles and we eventually learn and discover. But, because you don't know, you (or anyone) can not arbitrarily assinged an answer (ie: god created it, god made it happened, god healed him, etc, etc, etc). That is completely irrational.
"But just what is the core of (the atheist or god-free) radical message?
Well, it goes something like this: If you claim that something is true, I
will examine the evidence which supports your claim; if you have no
evidence, I will not accept that what you say is true and I will think you a
foolish and gullible person for believing it so."
Was Gardner speaking of the existence of God or the evidence (?) for evolution that supposedly supports atheism? I thank you for posting this quote, because it is so true concerning evolution. As for God's existence – the Bible clearly provides evidence of God's existence – in prophecy. In a "natural" world no one could know future events 100% of the time – this would only be possible in a supernatural world – Bible prophecy has been fulfilled in all cases with some events left yet to be fulfilled. Incidentally, before this argument comes up – we have accurate copies of all Biblical texts.
Since when does millions of years of evolution.....the Earth is 4 billion years old........add up to "coincidence?" Why do you think that butterflies look like they have eyes on their wings? Why are some lizards able to change color? It's because of ADAPTATION due to evolution. Don't tell me you DON'T believe in EVOLUTION?????? It's not just a theory anymore. Believing in "miracles" means that you believe in the possibility of something being able to happen outside of the realm of possibility, in other words, you're not a believer in physics. You really need to read some Richard Dawkins, Robert Ingersol or Bertrand Russel.
Hmm physics, huh? Just how much of nothing does it take to make everything. "Nothing" is what rocks dream of ... so how much then?
Piers needs to shut up and let his guests talk. We are not interested in watching Piers just attack someone because he doesn't agree with them. That is not an interview. His style is incredibly rude. Well done Penn for not allowing himself to be totally bulldozed.
My G-d is Real!! He is alive and I know where I will go when I die. I would Pray out loud Penn for you if I was there. I do share my faith and my belief with my friends and family. Thanks for Challenging us!!!
Fear of death is not enough. All the wishful thinking in the world is not enough!
God doesn't know this sentence is true. <–
SusieQ, not to be mean or rude, but Santa Claus used to be very real to me! The bugy man used to be very real to me! The tooth fairy used to be very real to me! And, also, god used to be very real to me. It shows how the human mind can be manipulated. The difference is that some of those learned beliefs are not kept throughout your life, but it is the same concept. Just an unfounded, learned belief that hinders our capacity to think critically, logically, and with reason. IE: stem cell research...we could have been more advance in this area of study if it wasn't because a president let his "beliefs" dictate policy for us. No different than North Korea now...
I'm so glad that you "KNOW"! (sarcasm) You "know" of no such thing, you only WISH YOU KNEW.
Thanks Penn. Your interviewer (Piers) tonight was so wrapped up in his own personal emotions he was unable to focus on his role as an interviewer. Your relaxed, humorous, rational, and informative demeanor saved an otherwise struggling show. Good job.
Very disappointed in Piers Morgan... Stop talking and start listening!.. That's half the battle.
Wow...Piers, you sound like a moron tonight! The sad thing is you actually seem to think you have a point...please, let us know what it is? Somehow, it's bad to admit what we know and don't know?
geeez pierce, you have gone from interview to a completely defensive and rude bashing of someone else's desire to believe something different than you. i'm so annoyed and just lost so much respect for you and your show. i do have a faith but would certainly not want to bash anyone for theirs or their lack of one. this is AMERICA.
Piers Morgan does not let his guests speak; sounds like a complete idiot and I truly don't understand why he still has the position...
He makes no ssens ad comes across like a fool
Well now we know. Piers is a "relionut". Please apply to work over aat Fos with the rest of them.
Thank you, Bob
Wow! Piers, I hate to tell you but most wars and millions of deaths are a result of "believers in a higher spiritual power". I have lived in countries where confession to God relieves everyone from guilt therebye releasing them to create further crimes. Wake up, Penn is correct we should not respect, love and show compassion because of a "spiritual" and unproven power but we should do all of these things because of love for ourselves, our family and humanity.
Thor? He's supposed to be the god of thunder. I would rather serve the Lord of Lord and King of Kings
Yeah, that's the point. Thor is just as worthy of worship as any other god you make up.
Rest my case... !
what are you serving tonight? I'll bet that if the truth be known, you probably don't even go to church. Ask most people to explain their religion and they cannot. Ask an atheist to explain religions and you wont get them to stop because THEY have done the RESEARCH that brainwashed people have been told not to do hence they MIGHT come to the conclusion that they could be believing in something that doesn't make any sense.
Piers Morgan is an absolute imbecile....................please take the bozo off TV!!!!
Do you only get one channel? Are you forced to sit and watch Peirs Morgan? If you don't like it, don't watch it. Watch something else. But to demand the show's removal from TV is to be what you supposedly despise–intolerant, authoritarian, controlling, etc.
Would Piers treat a Jewish person like this? I'm pretty sure he disagree with all of their beliefs too but he would give them more respect than this...Where did impartiality go in journalism? I will never watch Piers Morgan again. How is he supposed to replace Larry King?!
I agree with you!!!
Great point James! I think us atheist are look down like second class citizens. People think we have no moral or ethical values just because we do not believe in fairy tales. I submitt our moral and ethical character is stronger because it comes from within and not from any fool telling us how to behave.
It seems that many people agree, Piers Morgan is just not that great an interviewer. He asked Jillete questions, then didn't let him answer. He also took a clearly erroneous perspective, saying that atheists don't give him answers. As though, saying God did it, is an answer to anything. But, he never said what his QUESTION was anyway. Often I find that believers in one faith, who are atheist to all other faiths, never really look for answers, because there are many out there.
I don't care what anyone else says about this interview, I am loving, loving, loving the conversation. To those that are complaining, you all wouldn't still be watching if you didn't care for argumentative conversation. You know this is good television, and very interesting.
Nick, i'm pretty sure we wouldn't be writing these things on a blog if we were enjoying the conversation. if you enjoy it say so, but don't feel the need to tell us we're all really just loving it.
It's only good from one side. The show would be so much better if both sides were engaging each other in debate instead of Piers shrilly judging his thoughtful, measured guest.
Its true Nick B, I just love people bringing up topics, their having a substandard response is ok it means we acan all join in here. rose macaskie madrid.
Nick, the interview was horrible, Pierce is a moron, and the only reason I decided to check this site was to help answer some questions Penn was not allowed to answer. No, it is not good television, it is not a good show. How would you feel if you go to a show where the host believes the earth is still flat? Or how about if the host believes the earth is the center of the universe? Or if he believes epileptic attacks are demonic possesions? That's how I felt about the show and Pierce. It is ridiculous we are still even debating this. After this, I plan on never again watching Pierce unless another atheist is invited.
the problem is that there *was* no conversation. just piers shrieking over penn's attempts to civily answer the questions.
That is the point. Piers show how narrow minded by hardly letting Penn speak. Penn killed him with kindness and Piers was falling apart. Penn would have won if there was a contest.
Piers asked the question "if there is no god, where did we come from?" (with the implication of where did the universe come from). Ok the answer may be "we don't know". However, what christians and those of other faiths cannot answer is the same question. Where did god come from? How did god become so powerful as to create the universe? Did god evolve to be that powerful? What was there before god? Why is there only one god? Was there a whole race and god killed the rest of them?
If you want to raise questions about the unknown, you have to be able to ask the same questions about your own stance. Simple, the religious cannot answer ANY of the above questions with anything that does not really boil down to "I don't know".
Yes, Piers was so rude to Penn that I had to turn off the program and go to this web site to express my irritation. I really wanted to hear what Penn had to say.
I turned it off too. Then turned it back on because I really wanted to hear Penn so I tolerated Morgan to hear some intelligence.
Another horrible interview by Piers. How long is CNN going to keep this guy? It hurts to watch.
This was one of the most offensive interviews I have ever seen. How can Piers attack a guest for challenging others' beliefs while simultaneously challenging the guest's beliefs? It's far more rational to say "I don't know" the answers to cosmic questions than to prattle on about unfounded beliefs. This was the most arrogant, defensive interview I have ever seen. I may not watch Piers again.
Agreed. Piers came across as extremely self-righeous and arrogant, essentially criticising his guest for not believing what he believes, and repeatedly trying to overtalk him (clearly he only wants to hear himself and not really try to understand – signs of both arrogance and low intellegence). I will read the guest's book rather than watch Piers again – and gain much more.
I totally agree, it is refreshing to read comments from intelligent people, why on earth has CNN given so much power to a clown?
Sad to say I am canceling my DVR program of the Piers Morgan show. I gave him a chance with an open mind and he failed miserably with this one sided bigoted interview. Even his political input on making bigger government was horrendous. He needs to go back to the UK.
I'm watching this now, maybe a rebroadcast, and I can't believe it. Piers Morgan is on CNN? He is clearly showing himself to be an ignorant moron! Not just that he's a xtian, but that he's so clueless.
I would say, Mr.Jilette, putting myself in your place I imagine you must think of yourself as an adult faced with a large group of chidlike people who believe in some equivalent of Santa Claus. Shouldn't you, from your superior position, be
thinking it would be cruel to deprive these people of their comforting belief and so just shut up. Since you do not choose
this course I am left to believe that you must get some secret enjoyment from this demonstration of your superiority
the way a clueless callow teenager might behave before his younger siblings.
You've just successfully described how I feel around loud, proselytizing fundamentalist christians.
Atheists believe in bringing reason to bear on things, to reduce the suffering of the world so they are obliged to challenge beliefs, it is not that they are trying to make younger brothers and sisters unhappy it is that they think that a more emotional world veiw can be hurtfull to many. We all agree that it is a pity that women all get shut up at home because of Islam I imagine, so we all understand the atheist point of veiw in many things, just as long as it does not take away our priveledges to keep someone locked up at home as our reserved plaything I suppose. rose macaskie madrid.
Patrick, staying quiet would be morally wrong. If you have a sibbling that believes eating red meat three times a week will help his cholesterol, would you keep quiet as to not disturb his believe? Will you be preocupied that you will sound like a condesending know it all when you start talking about nutrition, cardiovascular diseases, and advances in medicine? The problem we have is that we say people can belief in whatever they want. I submitt that is wrong, because some beliefs hurt others. IE: abortion, stem cell research, gays in society, planned parenthood, evolution, and the list goes on. Religion hurts (had, is, and will) too many people in the world. So no, it is not right to just go along or to just turn your face the other way. If this was the case, we would still be living in the dark ages.
Penn was an INVITED GUEST on the show. The host picks the topic. So the guest should "just shut up" when asked a question that will not jibe with the interviewer's opinion? You are as ignorant and intolerant as most fanatical religious people are. Thank you for the laugh.
Piers really did lose it in this interview. Talking over a guest, is rude and unprofessional. Piers is starting the beginning of his down hill slide... back to the UK for you Mr Morgan, you have had your chance and you blew it. The new loser on CNN, hey FOX, need a game show host ?
You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel tonight. Better luck next time.
Piers: Positive truth claims about reality require positive evidence. Those who want to posit the existence of deities are free to do so but also bear the burden of proof as to why anyone should think deities exist. You are right on one point though, the term Atheism is annoying. In my opinion it's a necessary as labeling oneself an atoothfairyist. Are you an aleprechaunist Piers?
The Atheist simply thinks that there are no good reasons for anyone to think that deities exist; furthermore, there are no good reasons for anyone to think there's a need for deities to exist.
Here, here Alex!!!!
What a fascinating interchange. On one hand, I literally teared up (and I'm a pretty stoic guy) when Penn Jillette gave his moving answer to the question "If you had one week to live, what would you tell your kids to comfort them?" His answer (worth watching the clip again, if you missed it) seemed more heartfelt, authentic, and quintessentially human than pretty much anything I've heard a person of faith say in the same situation. At the same time, whereas Piers is normally a pretty sharp guy, it felt like he was literally "dumbing himself down" to create controversy and try to represent the point of view of an ardent believer. Penn kept providing clear, cogent answers to every question thrown at him - and Piers acted like he didn't even hear them. Sad. But indicative.
You are sooooo right!!! Penn was articulate providing heartfelt answers. He proved to be a great representative for the atheist position. It was a great opportunity for believers to see the face of non-believers. We are no different then they are except we believe in one less god.
Piers – no one wants to tune in to your show and listen to you control the audio – to rant about your personal beliefs or comments! Let the guest speak. The one thing that really bothers me since you took over from Larry King is that you constantly interrupt and open your mouth.
Of which no one is interested in BTW – it is your guest we tune in to listen too. Larry King did an excellent job of asking the right questions and then letting the guests answer. This isn't an interview of yourself. Back off and let those express and explain themselves without your prejudices, opinions etc.
I don't know how many more episodes I can take. You are very rude and self-rightous. Quite trying to be judge and jury.
I have never before sent an online response regarding a tv show, or anything else for that matter. But Mr. Morgan's display of rudeness bordering on contempt was just too much, so here I am. Mr. Morgan should remember that arrogance and ignorance are two sides of the same coin, and he has managed to cover both in his interview with Mr. Penn. He didn't even bother to listen to the answers, he was only interested in his own self-righteous responses. Tonight, I am one very embarrassed Catholic!
Awe Deborah, dont be an emberresed catholic. Be a Proud Catholic and just know your not the ignorand superrior individual like piers. Im not religios, I dont need god to explain or make me better. I am though a good person Religios people are great people. Be proud oif your religion, and keep teaching your family, friends and children what religion is and make sure they never end up like piers Be proud and teach your respectful and loving beliefs so people like piers dont. You have my respect
Thankyou posters below. Was already thinking about what to write & all of you already did. Only ignorant, brainwashed, always needing a comforting fairytale people speak over people who explain why there is no such thing as a "god". Watch Bill O'Reillys' interview with Richard Dawkins & you will see that Richard gets about 10 words in. Ignorant & idiotic religious freaks like Bill are the reason why the "Mass" just keeps getting more & more stupid as the days go by. Wow Piers, you have completely lost my respect. I really thought you were a smart man. I DID have great respect for you until tonight. A-friggin-mazing. Rock on Penn. My book will come out soon. Can hardly wait to meet you!!!
Wow- I just lost all respect for you Piers and will be much less likely to tune in. Your interview with Penn is shockingly unprofessional and judgmental. I can't believe that your viewers are that concerned with the atheism of another person. Your emotionally charged attack was inappropriate. I felt like I was watching Fox News.
Thank you Piers, for highlighting how stupid people look when they forgo logical thought for religion. You're getting schooled and you don't even seem to realize it!
I agree with Ozzie. Come on Penn Jillette, you should know that Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the SAME God (Creator).
yeah, right. so how is it that these separate religions think that all others are condemned to hell?
Cnn what the hell are you doing to destroy this network. Piers Morgan is just horrible. I love Penn and this was just to unbearable to watch. Please Please PLease get a new show with someone who will shut up for 2 seconds and interview someone. Why the hell did you hire this guy. He sucks and now so do you.
Please, for your own enlightenment and for the good of all us that have been mislead and misguided by (Dis)organized religion, please bring some practical, common sense to the subject of religion. Read his books, and/or invite John Shelby Spong to your show. He in my humble opinion is the greatest Biblical scholar of our time and the world needs to have a revelation of practicality, knowledge, and common sense. It will be life changing for you and for the world. Thank you.
Tonight I decided to stop watching your show – permanently. I am a believer in God, an independent voter (a true one – I've actually voted for members of both parties), and a generally open minded person. I thought you were horrible to Penn Jillette tonight. He is open to other people believing differently – why is it such an affront to you that he doesn't share your view? I really think atheists face the worst discrimination of any group in society. I respect their right to believe as they wish, as I expect them to respect mine.
I am so sad at how Satan has taken over so much of this world, including ignorant Penn! I am very proud of Piers for standing up for the truth, that our God is alive and very much in charge. I do pray that Penn and the rest of you lost souls will learn of the love of Jesus Christ before you are judged, without the ultimate Attorney to represent you. Repent of your sins and God's grace will overflow in your life.
We are not lost. It is obvious that your beliefs give you a sense of superiority over the rest of us. It seems to me that the one doing the judging is you.
Dear e wells,
Such right-wing extremism is why religion is dangerous. To believe in anything blindly is to be only a sheep in a world led by lions. Open your eyes, look at life logically. Life is too short to live life in the dark. I wish you well....I leave you with this: if god can not see all the harm religion has done, than he is not god, and we have nothing to worry about.
when people use phrases like, gods love will flow into your life, i get emotional, and it almost sweeps away all the good reasons i have to know they dont stand for any of the things that made me emotional about religon as a child, they are so often cruel and unfair. rose macaskie madrid.
did you say you are proud of piers?
SATAN?? REALLY??? Who are you the "church lady" from Saturday night live? Satan?? I guess if you actually believe in god, then believing in SATAN makes sense.
Organ morgan how can you be Irish with such a name and piers is old english it was your motrher perhaps who was Irish?
You get totally emotional and silly talking about atheism you leave the logical bit of you behind and you have obviously never read about it, what athiest have to say is suprisingly interesting if you had read any atheist writings you would have better questions.
Have you ever heard of the disadvantages of religion, not yours perhaps though for me aqbsolutely yours which was mine but others whose faults you could see more easily, of how religions enslave people of how bad the religious can be to women and other such questions, you must have done. Why did the puritans have to leave america? Beause of religiouse intolerance, have you ever h eard of religiouse intolerance? Atheist present a front that cheques out the abuses of religion. if you want to read of the abuses of the religious apart from readign a atheist blog, read jane eyre and wuthering heights the brontes are really good on abusive religiouse peope their father was a vicar and the house was full of curates. We need those who attack the religous instead of being so blinded by their faith they daren't use critial faculties if its to criticise their religion and my family get really stupid if they get religious even really unaffecctionate they only want you to be catholic they dont love you. You love life maybe you could understand those who say the idea of hevean infravalorizas the beauties and interest of life. I love life i am happy with the idea of being happpy with this experience and this being happy with it suprised me, and anyway there is no such thing as time, just read a bit on quantum physics to know this or talk to a scientist. rose macaskie madrid.
Robert Ingersol's father was also a "minister". He was a hard, cruel man which had his son questioning religion and how it is used to control at a very early age.
I am so dissappointed in your emotional and unprofessional reaction to a personal belief that made me check the channel that I was not watching MSNBC or FOX. You are just about to lose a viewer and I WILL share with friends you are on thin ice as an objective interviewer....pick it up and get back on track.
Piers: Lyrics from one of your countrymen, Ian Anderson: "Why do the faithful have such a will... to believe in something. And call it the name they choose... having chosen nothing."
Piers, please stop interrupting your guests and let them speak!! It's so arrogant and frustrating. Penn Jillette showed super-human patience throughout the interview and in dealing with your ignorance and close-mindedness when it comes to atheism. Not all of us atheists are trying to provoke or put down "believers," we simply seek the truth about our universe and where we all came from by using science and reason. Answering "God did it," isn't good enough. For future reference, you would be well advised to read Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" to at least be able to have an intelligent and meaningful debate about the subject.
Catholics/Christians have no monopoly on ethics or morals. Spirituality, religion and theology are not interchangable. Atheists are every day people living every day lives. And because we believe in no after life, we live this life with a greater sense of wonder, appreciation and knowing our place within this planet-not above but part of-caretakers of a world that feeds us, clothes us, warms us. And yes, it can be brutal but the journey is the most important for how we can make positive contributions now, here, this very moment even though we are imperfect, fallible and fully human, fully alive. Heaven and hell are the very best and the very worst of life's events. Piers, as most believers of Catholicism, fail to really know the full history of the very religion they espouse-the very human exercise that it has been since the beginning of time when humans attempted to understand the world around them. One man's atheist is another man's believer. Marcus Aurelius-philosopher/emperor king best said it (I paraphrase)-"if there are gods and they are just, then they will measure you by your actions during life regardless of whether you believed in them or not.....if there are gods and they are not just, then it doesn't matter how much you try to please for you will never fulfill their expectations....and if there are no gods at all then so what? You will be remembered by those you touched and in their memories you will always be alive."
very well said.
I am sick to death of hearing Piers Morgan disrespecting the USA. If we are such a dysfunctional country, he should return to his own country. He never lets his guests speak, but continually speaks over them while acting like a know it all. LARRY KING we miss you.
Penn is full of gibberish and has found an easy way to make a living.....he is utterly ridiculous and who cares what he thinks....go get him Perce.
Easy? Have you ever tried to juggle and saw people in half??
and Piers......has had it SO HARD, poor man. Jan, you are among the minority here to the point where I think you must be a troll.
I thought the British were supposed to be polite! I was flabbergasted at how rude you were to your guest. RUDE!!! JUDGEMENTAL!!!! It's not an event!! It's the world according to Piers Morgan. Blah!! I am not sure what came over who ever suggested it would be a remotely good idea replacing Larry King with you!!! They were probably just joking. YOU are the most horrible, unprofessional talk show host ever and you give the British a bad name! Where do you get off being rude to guests???
Piers does not represent Brits. I just returned from living in London for the last 3 years and most Brits are much more intelligent than this guy. There aren't many educated people in England who believe in religion.
Piers, I will never watch your show again. You were obnoxious, rude and incredibly ignorant tonight and it was simply a disgusting display to witness. The show was very interesting, but you kept interupting with idiotic statements.
Piers is an incredibly poor interviewer. CNN should consider replacing him with a host that respects the show's guests and can ask intelligent questions.
I hear a revolution coming!!! Replace Piers Morgan effort. Everyone write to CNN-replace Piers!!!!!
Piers, I wish you had asked jillette if he believed he was appearing on your show on August 16, 2011 at 8:00cst. If he answered yes then you could have responded by saying that he also believes because time itself started from the death of Christ. "BC and AD. How do you suppose he would have answered to that?
Time itself did not start with Christ – B.C. implies that there was time before Christ. AD and BC simply denote the particular calender we use not the beginning of time. You are either very uneducated or just have a very low IQ.
Time is relative (see relativity). Time is uncertain (see uncertainty principal) Time is not absolute. Time is as real as the flat earth.
Fantastic interview, Piers. It was great to witness a highly influential man of faith tackle a highly influential man of no faith. My admiration for you and your ability to successfully engage with and draw out someone whose viewpoint is the polar opposite of your own is higher than ever. I like your style and candor. Keep up the fantastic interviews. I rarely miss your show. God bless you.
Hey, GreggG, you obivously didn't watch the same show I did or maybe you took shots every time Piers looked like an idiot so you were hammered. Once your hard on for PM goes away you will wake up and see that his interview with Penn made him look like a whiny baby who didn't get his way. I'm pretty sure Piers kept interrupting Penn because he knew Penn would make him think twice about his belief in a higher power.
GreggG, are you on drugs?????? Piers Morgan never shut up. He never allowed Penn to answer a single question. Nine tenths of the talking was done by Piers who came off like a shrill priggish schoolboy. The only thing that Piers accomplished tonight is to absolutely confirm my belief that religious belief is bain of human progress. Piers just lost a viewer.
Sorry, but how exactly did Piers "successfully engage" with Mr. Jillette? He simply shouted over him, espousing his own arrogant views while refusing to consider anything his guest had to say.
Have to agree with Jake on "...show was very interesting, but you kept interupting with idiotic statements." Usually PM does a decent job, but tonight he displayed the IQ of three year old. As if he felt his fairly tale Disney view on religion was being threatened. Very odd.
I suppose that Piers descent into a merely emotional response to what he expected to attacked him or one part of him is a good example of why atheists feel there is a place for them in this world, for whatchdogs who try to see when the religioius are getting too crazy. rose macaskie madrid.
that was terrible. Thought you were more forward thinking than our usual Americans. What, are you trying to appeal to the 'right' with your views.
Rarely watch, and certainly won't again.
Piers, I've actually enjoy watching your show but tonight I was very disappointed. You brought too much of your own personal beliefs and clearly didn't let Penn answer questions you asked – you didn't do yourself any favours. Penn was the only one who showed respect, calm and intellectduring this interview.
I've grown up with parents of different religions and one thing I know to be true is if anyone has anything they want to believe it...so be it but no one has the right or true understand they believe is absolute!
Too much mean spirted things and horror have been done in the name of 'religion'.
GreggG, are you on drugs?????? Piers Morgan never shut up. He never allowed Penn to answer a single question. Nine tenths of the talking was done by Piers who came off like a shrill priggish schoolboy. The only thing that Piers accomplished tonight is to absolutely confirm my belief that religious belief is bain of human progress.
Shocking. Yes. Shocking that that many people are on assistance. What's more shocking is that smart people like you don't see or understand why. It's not only allowed, it's plain tempting by liberal thoughts. Why the he'll work when I can sit on my ass, eat chips and drink soda. Those rich people suck. Those rich people are who employ us, yet we want to tax them so much and force unions on them, so they can't afford to pay employees and pay their taxes so they are forced to send jobs overseas so they can pay salaries etc. Now we want to tax them right out of business. Who the hell is going to employ us? People used to come to this country fora job and work hard. Now they come here for free health care, benefit and food stamps. Meanwhile, regular people can't afford insurance and/or are smart enough to budget their money in savings, and know enough not to make huge purchases we can't afford. Then, if your smart and save, the lazy do-gooders want to penalize you for being smart. Ok, I may have rambled here a little. Bottom line. You'll never read this, but if you do, I like you, I love your interviewing skill, but you lost my respect tonight with your ignorance when it comes to running a country. God help us and please send us a good businessman to run this country. Let's make America awesome again. Would love your response. Lisa
What does this have to do with the subject? Taxes as a percentage of GDP for 2009, 2010, 2011(est) Are at the lowest they have been since 1950.
sooner58....you fat cow.
Lisa, rich people employ you eh. That puts all the cards in their hands all the bargaining power. What you say about the rich employing people sounds logical but reality is suprising, when the poor fought for their rights during the last two hundred years, many of them dying for their rights, a strange thing happened, the rich came up with more money and goods and ideas and found ways to pay the poor more and to employ more poor and also the poor had enough money to start businesses and the jobs increased, Maybe thats not so odd when you considerer that the poor before only had a table and a few stools on a mud floor and rags to wear, they did not need anything so why pay people to produce what no one will buy, except that always sitting on a hard stool is not good for your back unless you sit very straight.
That the rich should have been able to supply more when they had their arms twisted is totally not what one would expect but it is what happened. When the rich get afraid they will not find more jobs or dont have money to pay more wages, things shrivel up like a clam and people start to die of hunger even, its hard to understand why but things work better when the poor get demanding. rose macaskie madrid.
You just don't get it, but how could you? Part of your brain was inactivated, along with billions of others', just after you were born, through indoctrination. And you are unable to use that part, the part that questions everything and looks for logical answers.
I await for your published book on what God is, the Universe, the Afterlife, etc. and then have Penn interview you. My bet is that you will have very similar opinions once you put your beliefs on paper. Give it a shot!
So Morgan's reasoning boils down to "because you can't explain something means religion's explanations carry weight." Well, that is terrible reasoning.
I watch your show to hear the guests, not YOU! Let them speak. You berated Penn, rather than listen to a word he said. While he was calm, you showed yourself to be a raving fool. Did you even read the book?
Mr. Morgan : I am a big fan of yours and having been watching you since Larry left. I had trouble watching you interview Mr. Jillette, as you were for lack of a better word, "rude" to him. As an interviewer on a primetime network, it is usually common and respectful to hide your own personal beliefs and instead, ask that of the guest's. Tonight, I seemed to learn more about you and your beliefs that I did about Mr. Jillette's. Next time, could you please be a little bit less biased about your guests? It's kind of disrespectful and makes me want to watch people who are more understanding of people from ALL walks of life.
Was that the whole 'intreview'? Where is the rest? All I saw was Piers talking over Penn.
Isn't an interviewer supposed to let their guest speak and answer questions? You can't get very far when everytime your guest begins to speak you just shout, 'GODUNNIT!'
Piers, the first segment of your interview with Penn tonight had to be the WORST interview I've ever seen in my life, if you can even call it that. I usually watch your show but I won't anymore. I thought you had more intellect than that. So you believe in God, so what? Is your belief so threatened by someone who doesn't believe in God that you have to attack them on your show? You didn't even let him answer your questions. When he would ask you a question you wouldn't give him a straight answer. People don't tune in to hear your opinions, we turn in to hear your guests. You didn't even let him talk or explain himself in response to your questions. You won't make it long on CNN if you can't do better than that. That was completely unprofessional and pathetic. You may have thought you were pandering to the many religious in the US but we are very diverse and more open-minded about these things than you seem to realize. We like to let people express different points of view. PLEASE invite Richard Dawkins on your show!
I was utterly unimpressed with Piers Morgan's interview of Penn Jillette. His lack of intellect and depth is absolutely stunning. His approach to the issues of spirituality, religion and atheism was childish at best. His interview skills were pathetic. I will NOT be watching again. Thank goodness for Rachel Maddow on MSNBC!!
Very disappointed interview. I was hoping to see a good discussion on the topic of faith and belief; not just a judgmental host who wasn't listening. I miss Larry King...very disappointed in CNN to give such an important time slot to someone who doesn't know who to interview people with respect!
What a joke. You are not allowed to write a book unless it is the theory of everything. Answers all questions.
Stephen Hawking: God NOT Needed For Creation.
I guess Piers knows better.
PIers, I love you and watch you daily, but please leave your personal emotions and bias out of your interview. I am a Catholic but never try to tell someone that they are wrong about religion and never presume that I know everything. It perfectly o.k. to feel what you do about religion, but it is your job to interview. I would have loved to have heard Penn's arguments, but I couldn't because you constantly interrupted and berated him for his beliefs. You took Larry King's spot, please try to maintain his professional journalism as well.
Piers opened the interview by saying he was taught (indoctrinated?) as a child to believe what he believes. He is incapable of thinking freely about god and religion. Joseph Campbell famously said that God is a metaphor for those aspects of nature that mankind doesn't understand. Religion is a fairy tale that fills the gap for those who are afraid of not knowing. Atheists are simply willing to say that there is no credible evidence for the existence of a god. All contemporary religions are based on a knowledge of the universe that is at least a thousand years out of date – as is Piers.
The lie of 'free will' is behind all hatred, revenge, and terrorism. Religion preaches forgiveness. Their 'cure' has failed to cure their own mental virus..
My ancestors came to this country to have religious freedom. I would think that would include the freedom to believe in God or the freedom not too. So why are people always trying to push their religious beliefs on someone else. They always think believers in God are right and those who do not are wrong. If you want to believe fine but stop trying to push it on people who are perfectly happy without it.
I already left one comment but this irritated me so much I need to leave another.
Piers blew it tonight as a reputable journalist. What a clown.
I was in total disbelief while watching this interview! It seems that all the believers demand that non-believers be able to explain the beginning of the universe, otherwise we have no right to voice our opinions. Guess what? That's not an argument. The very idea that because we don't have the answers means that yours must be true is the ultimate insult to humanity! Piers, you are a f'ing idiot and not unlike most of Americans... I can't believe that this is the state of the world right now, when will we wake up and see the universe for what it actually is???????
Thrilled to see so many people are as disappointed and upset with Piers as I am. If I truly believed Piers or his producers would read these comments and make some necessary changes or apologies I would gladly invest the time to point out ALL of the reasons I will not watch this program again. Unfortunately, Piers really showed such a lack of professionalism, open mindedness, respect and education that I feel he will simply make excuses for his behavior. I wish Piers had let Penn finish his thoughts about believing in Thor. This one point would have encapsulated much of the Atheist beliefs. Tonight's program simply highlighted why so many Atheists do not share their thoughts on religion. We are met with such animosity that we cannot even voice our opinion. This was not an interview but a lecture. The people that appear on this program are referred to as "guests" but Penn was certainly not treated that way.
I caught the last 10 minutes of your interview tonight with Penn Jillette. Hmm. Disappointing. I thought you were somewhat insulting, intentionally, while signing off and bidding him good bye. Why? It was obvious even he was surprised.
There are many theories on the universe. Many require no beginning. The uncertainty principal proved that the past did not cause the present or future. "what created us?" has no meaning much less an answer.
"what created us?" This is like asking "why is the earth flat?'
I presume the number of comments is so high that not all of it appears here.
The 2 previous never made it. However, if we take the reason for the present wars is either religion or ego, or both.
Saying that the world needs religion – Sorry Dalai Lama – is a little joke. Just like we need cigarettes. Sure, it's a choice, but there again, it kills you. So religion is a choice like smoking and the only way to know if it is beneficial is by the outcome, and for both, it is deadly, any way you look at it.
Religion also kills babies, for some gods putting them into this world, only to let them die of starvation. People are not allowed to take a pill but they are allowed to let them die. Bizarre!
Religion is like chinese rule: don't criticize and don't ask questions. Nice! Or you go to hell and be tortured. Interesting comparison, isn't it?
Let's see if this is published.
Maybe a scientist should recreate the Big Bang in his lab. That would be a smart idea.
I have never been annoyed enough to want to comment on a TV show before – but the interview with Penn tonight was truly dreadful. Penn was courteous, articulate and thoughtful throughout this debacle; the polar opposite of Morgan. I laughed out loud when Piers was too dense even to realize that Penn was reiterating the athiest agenda during their 'in depth' discussion of the economic situation and, as a fellow ex-pat, was profoundly embarrassed by Piers' inability to let his guest speak and his constant rudeness. I've been giving him a chance to see if he has what it takes to follow King, and he doesn't. This is the last show I will be watching (and I suspect, the last for many other viewers). CNN – nip this in the bud before he drags you down.
I LOVE YOU PENN GILLETTE! thankyou for representing this athiest. I don't claim to have the answers and I spend little of my time worrying about it , I have a life to live. I don't judge those who do and I'm not recruiting , please show me the same . piers morgan didn't sound very christian like , or maybe he did?
My wife and I were also shocked at the way PM treated Mr Gilette, who showed class and composure. PM didn't even give his book a push at the end, like normal. I will buy it though and maybe others will because of the way he was treated.
On the whole, we like PM and the guests he has on. But, he needs to do some major damage control after tonight. He owes the millions of free thinkers a big apology.
Piers!!! What happened to you? You've been in America for too long..
When did you become a religious-conservative?
Seriously after that show, I lose all respect for him. His show was not that great to begin with, will never watch again. He should stick to shows non-news related.
I was surprised by tonight's interview with Penn Jillette. I thought good journalism was defined by impartiality. Piers Morgan showed extreme bias in this interview. He asked questions and then didn't allow Penn to answer or talked over him when he did try to answer. It appeared that he went into the interview with an agenda. Whether that agenda was due to his own emotional reactions to the topic or whether it was a jaded desire for controversy. Nothing sells in America at this difficult time like religious controversy. Just look at the attention this interview has gotten him already. I have not enjoyed Piers Morgan's interviewing style before tonight but for me this interview hit a new low. Who knew we were going to miss Larry King so much.
kathy i could not have said it better my self thanks for saving me the extra typing.
"You're just trying to be provocative." PM – your whole CAREER is based on being provocative. Remember the promos for your show weeks before you began? And what about editing News of the World? You even "provoke" Howie Mandel on AGT. What a hypocrite. Are creationists being provocative because they don't believe in science/evolution? Are Muslims being provocative? Are Jews? Are the only people who aren't "provocative" people who believe in the fairy tale you believe?
Wow, the classic god of the gaps argument. "I don't know" is a much better answer than "magic sky daddy did it"
Suq Madiq, Colbert was talking about you, i remember your name. Colbert always gets such giggles about some things. rose macaskie madrid
Where is Larry King when we need him? Why even have a guest if you only want to rant your own beliefs? That was quite possibly the worst interview, actually interviewer, I have ever seen. Watch some of Larry's old interviews and you may learn a lot. You owe your audience an hour of their lives back.
I only watch Piers when I am very interested in the guest, and after watching him interrupt Bill Maher while he was trying to respond to every question Piers asked him, I promised myself I would not watch again, but I love Penn Jillette, so decided to suck it up. Did Piers invite him on to interview him or to judge him for not being a Christian? What a joke! I have known from the beginning of Piers getting this gig that this man is no journalist and a poor interviewer, but this was just too much. I promised myself as I was watching it that I HAD to go online and post about it this morning, something I would not typically take the time to do, and am so pleased to see others have done the same.
Penn was so classy in the way he handled being attacked by someone clearly not secure enough in his own beliefs to let someone else have differing ones. I am done with Piers, no matter who he "interviews" next.
I thought Piers Morgan was fairly credible as a journalist until I saw him in a near state of hysteria in his interview with Penn Jillette – the level of defensiveness was incredible. Penn Jillette came over as a rational, calm and thoughtful speaker – Piers was nearly frothing at the mouth in his frantic attempt to talk over Penn when he realised he couldn't provoke or browbeat him. Open your mind Piers!
Piers, if you weren't insecure about your decision to be religious you wouldn't think it necessary for "everyone" to believe in some god, any god.
It is also telling that your choice of god is better than someone else's choice .... like Thor (which was actually quite widely believed in way back when.)
Piers don't let some of these comments discourage you. You were strong against Penn who is a good illusionist in more ways that his great Las Vegas act. If anyone wants to read a meticulous refutation of
Hawking's incomprehensible theory, go to another scientist, a mathematician: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=222ihLZlujQ.
I never watch Piers as he is hard to listen to and basically a self centered fool. I only watched last night to listen to Penn. As 100% of the comments here reflect, Piers should be taken off the air. He is supposed to interview his guest not do what he did to Penn, who BTW handled Piers wonderfully, when he could get a word in. Piers needs to go back to talk show school and take a few pointers from Larry King. I will not watch this show again. Anderson Cooper on the other hand, yes.
Piers just got schooled
All of you are taking this interview too serious. The interview like all T.V is just a distraction. The people who are in control want you not to see how they are stealing your wealth, and rights. Both sides of the question have caused death on a epic scale. Mao and Stalin killed over 60mil. In the name of the state-atheism. The real reason for the Crusades was population control. The kings of Europe had too many people to manage so they asked the pope if he could use them. Karl Marx had it right, "religion is the opiate of the masses". I will admit I wonder why I am here now. It is a wonderful time to be alive now. I am dying. I have A.L.S. It would be a pleasant to find out there was something good after death, but I suspect after death is oblivion.
Please, please CNN, fire Morgan, put someone with a brain on, or better yet bring back Larry, I don't care if he is old, he asked inteligent questions and listened. Please, the world needs brains, now more than ever.
I realized last night what I miss about Larry King. He was never combative with his guests, their opinions were honored and you almost never knew what his position was on an issue. He made himself transparent, just asked the right questions and allowed you to get to know the guest and make up your own mind about them. Maybe the show should be renamed Piers Morgan opinions. Miss you Larry.
Agree, I was never as impressed with Larry King until now as realize with his "sit back" and listen demeanor, he was a MUCH better interviewer. There is no comparison. Pears need to do another reality show and get off as King replacement.
Maybe try letting the person being interviewed get something in next time Piers? Why is it that after almost every interview, we come away knowing more about YOU than we do about the guest? Can you please learn to interview, and let them speak from their side of the fence without you constantly interrupting, and forcing your own opinions down their throat before they can explain theirs?
Piers – despite what many are saying here, I for one think it was refreshing to see someone in such an influential position stand up for what they believe. You don't always have to be neutral to be a good reporter/interviewer – in fact, sometimes getting at the truth requires pointed advocacy. As a man of faith myself, I enjoyed watching you show Penn and other militant atheists that we don't just roll over and die when arguments are lodged against us. Christianity is defensible, rational and in the humble opinion of millions of Americans its the best way to truly live.
"Getting at the truth"
I laughed out loud.
Why do people of faith (like Morgan and others) feel threatened by atheists?
Why do people of faith (like Morgan and others) feel threatened by atheists?
Please do not misinterpret all "people of faith" as threatened by atheists...we're not, not at all. That would be equivalent to calling the beach lifeguard "threatened by the undertow" becuase he/she warns people of the dangers in the water. Every atheist is threatened by God and believers – you don't want crosses anywhere , nor the name "Jesus" uttered in the public square,no prayer at public events....and on and on ad nauseum. Yet our country has always respected God and Jesus Christ and these beliefs played a very major role in the founding of our country. Faith in God brought many here, and faith in God helped build this country AND do you know what is even more astounding than that -Atheists worked right along side the believers – they didn't call on them to stop praying, or singing hymns or putting crosses and Biblical quotes anywhere. Christians are no different today then they were in the founding days – it's atheism that has changed.
It was on an atheist site that i learnt that HItler was catholic, if a bad one and did write a lot about God, a christian God not the Valkyrie or anything strange and unknown. How very reluctant christians are to admit that they talked badly of jews for two thousand years so that they roused the rabble and the nazis rabble was a especially wicked one, and have to accept a heavy part of the guilt for the holocauset and how can we help to prevent another holocaust till we come clean about the forces that lead to the first one?. When will they take their fair share of the blame . No wonder catholics get agressisve about atheists, they have a lot to loose if people start to look into atheists sites and writings. rose macaskie madrid.
Hitler may have been a Catholic, but that means nothing. When he was born, he was born to a Catholic family. Many other Germans, Dutch, Poles and other Europeans were Catholic also and they helped the Jews-probaly a few atheists helped too. Hitler and many in his "circle" were also Eugenicists as well and I can assure you these evolutionary beliefs were more the motivation for their actions against the Jews, as well as other peoples, than any Catholic beliefs. Did that atheist website mention this by any chance? Keep in mind the Bible does NOT call on any people to destroy the Jews for any reason, so anyone taking this action is taking it on there belief system...which many atheists believe is actually okay – you know "it's okay to believe what you want – you don't need religion"
Replace him with Phil Donahue!
I would like to know what that white thing was in the corner of Sanford's mouth!!
I am a Christian and a person of faith. I found Mr. Morgan's defense of the belief in God to be puerile, shallow, agitated, idiotic, and embarrassing. He probably won some converts for atheism.
"When the Son of Man returns, will He find faith on the earth? " Judging from the comments here, no.
It is so difficult to be a witnessing Christian in this world – particularly so in the entertainment industry as evidenced by the onslaught of negative comments. Mr. Morgan stood up for his Christian beliefs which automatically subjects him to criticism from the academic elite and liberal left. His witness to faith and to God was inspirational and is to be applauded. Like many of those commenting, I was stunned (and joyful) to hear Mr. Morgan's comments because it is so rare for a famous person to humbly express his Christian faith thereby acknowledging that God is great..
The job of a good interviewer is to pose questions, then LISTEN. Piers Morgan's pathetic attempts at rational thought only expose him as an idiot who runs into the open arms of faith when his intelligence fails him. Yet another reason to not watch CNN...
I thought it was refreshing to hear Piers' challenges and I think they were valid. Simply agreeing with everything an interview guest has to say is not the job he was hired to do. By his own admission, Penn has said he has been an antagonist on the issue to spark some sharing of ideas so I'm sure he's no worse for ware after some freindly bantering on the show..If he can dish it he can take it.
As for the topic itself I guess I just never understood how someone could say there is no God with any kind of confidence.... Mr Jillette readily admits he doesn't know everything (and who does) so it's more accurate to say that he does not know if there is a God; not simply that there isn't.
Besides, no one would see a building and not assume that there was a builder... no one would look at a car and think that the parts just happen to randomly find their way together – even if they were told that all the parts were all locked in the garage for a billion years... The fact is we would all KNOW that the building had a builder and the car had a designer and a maker. How can something as simple as a building not be put together by chance, yet a whole universe can?? Where's the logic in that? .... not to mention how do you get something from nothing???
Yeah, I'm with ya Piers.... without God there are no explainations.
I've enjoyed Piers style since he took over from Larry King, and appreciate the way he handles his interviews. However, he really went off the reservation on this one. He was so personally offended by someone's assertions that his personal religious beliefs may be wrong that he completely lost his professionalism. There was nothing close to an objective discussion because he refused to listen to anything that Penn had to say. Really disappointing to see him handle any interview in this manner, particularly one as important and interesting as this should have been.
Totally agree with you Paul. The funny thing is that atheists have heard every single argument that believers have made and have addressed them one by one. And in the end, believers just can't support their beliefs with logic. And that's why there is an impasse. Atheists use reason. Believers justify things with emotion. So in the end, it comes down to "I believe in god because I have faith". Unless people are willing to question their own beliefs, dissect them, and really understand why they believe what they believe, we can't have an educated discussion. Because they're just basing their beliefs on what they've been told, o and the Bible. Because apparently that means something.
I thought that Mr. Morgan's behavior was disgraceful. Apologies are in order.
I really don't care about the dynamics of how Piers and Penn discussed Atheism versus belief in God. What I find troubling are some of the personal attacks going on in this string of comments just because one does not hold to the same point of view as someone else. I believe in God and make no apologies for it. I am well educated and find it very logical to believe in God. Many ridicule those who believe by faith in something as being ignorant. I would suggest that it takes a lot more faith to believe that everything we have in this world happened by accident. To believe this actually contradicts the second law of thermodynamics which those of the learned scientific community hold to so dearly. This principle basically states that a system will go from more organized to less organized unless influenced by an outside source. Those who scorn those of us who have faith actually are saying they believe that what we have today came from almost nothing to the infinitely complex system that we have in this world or whole universe totally by chance. As I have already said, that takes a lot more faith to believe than intelligent design does. Since I believe that so many of you who do not believe in God are still very learned and intelligent, I encourage you to at least consider the alternative.
We have, intensely, and always end up rejecting your nonsense
John – I must correct you. You are making the same false assumption of atheists as do so many other believers. Atheism is not a belief system. It has nothing to do with faith. So here it goes: Atheism is a school of thought that does not recognize the truthfulness of anything which cannot be dissected with logic and supported with strong evidence. In fact, the word "belief" is not in our vocabulary. Something either is or isn't. Therefore, we aren't bias against "God". We also don't "believe" in Zeus or Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny or Fire Breathing Dragons. And again, in the absence of facts, you don't have the right to make something up. Atheists don't offer an answer because we aren't trying to lie to people. Enjoy your life with what you have, and stop focusing so much on what happens after death.
Can anyone give the url for page 2 and the rest of the comments?
The next post link goes to the Rudy Giuliani interview, apparently in error.
"But just what is the core of (the atheist or god-free) radical message?
Well, it goes something like this: If you claim that something is true, I
will examine the evidence which supports your claim; if you have no
evidence, I will not accept that what you say is true and I will think you a
foolish and gullible person for believing it so."
Dan Gardner......a former minister and an honest man. I loved his book.
As a British-American, I am embarrassed by your behavior in the Penn Jillette interview. Let your guests answer the questions! How are we to learn or understand different views if we never get to hear a response? You were completely different in your interview with Mr. Schultz, giving him plenty of time for lengthy responses. I think you should apologize to Mr. Jillette, who was very civil during the unjustified verbal battering from your end. I think you are an intelligent person, but you let your personal religious views get out of control. CNN, please don't reward this rude, egomaniacal type of journalism.
There are the kinds of hosts that never have any guts to ask the good or hard questions. At least we know where Piers stands in his views. His questions and demeanour can come across as being pushy or rude at times. Piers... be careful not to become too self-glorified that you lose track of who (God) blessed you with this position in the first place. Remember... Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." Make sure these are evident in your life and to your viewers.
Mr. Dawkins as a fellow Brit you should feel compelled to get interviewed by Morgan for the whole hour, if you do, you will do the world a lot of good.
Well said Piers. If civilization doesn't have values, it can not exist. If every man is a law unto himself, we can't live together. The place of religion in civilization is to provide those common values. Look throughout history and when values–whatever they are based upon–break down and are no longer accepted and everyone just does what they please, then that civlization is destroyed. Today we have the power for that breakdown of civilzation to destroy not just a country, but all of mankind. You may not believe in the God of the Bible, but you'd better believe in something other than man's wisdom, or we are all doomed to fail. Go read Conrad's "Heart of Darkness". We are always just a small step away from anarchy. You can't just say that there is no higher authority and expect civilzation to continue. It will implode.
"If civilization doesn't have values, it can not exist. If every man is a law unto himself, we can't live together. The place of religion in civilization is to provide those common values. Look throughout history and when values–whatever they are based upon–break down and are no longer accepted and everyone just does what they please, then that civlization is destroyed."
What a claim! Religion is NOT the same as having "values". How many people have died because of religion? How many people have been tortured or otherwise hurt because of religion? I'm not just talking about modern day religious fanatic terrorist, but also about periods like the Spanish inquisition. Yes, I have looked at history, maybe you should take another look as well. Don't judge atheist as if they are less than you, just because you believe in something else than they do. Atheists also have values, they are just based on something from within them, their upbringing and another view of reality. Not everybody uses an old book to understand what is right and what is wrong.
Definitely lost some respect for Piers there.. I don't recall Larry King projecting his beliefs into an interview in such an overbearing fashion, if at all... What a poor job you're doing at filling his shoes..
Do what we do in my family – don't talk politics, religion, abortion or gay rights. Everyone has a view and no one is going to change. Far better to spend our time discussing what can be changed.
People change their views all the time. Most atheists I know, for example, were once staunch Christians. This class of ideological coup seems to be a growing trend, by the way. So, your piece of folk wisdom couldn't be more wrong.
All the more reason to engage in stimulating debate, trivialities only teach those who come after you to be banal and to remain ignorant; just saying.
While it might be best to not talk about these issues among family, I don't think such an approach should be applied to a society. Of course, some people are always going to believe whatever they want to believe, based on their upbringing and loyalties. But I think an advanced society, if we are to ever achieve one, should encourage the individual to look within him/herself and explore why it is we believe certain things. For the purpose of bettering ourselves, we need to ask those types of questions because what is the point of existence if we don't evolve into better human beings? We can't continue to be clones of our ancestors, making the same mistakes. We need to also realize, that religion itself has not been the cause of war and violence, it has been the inability to consider other ideas and schools of thought. So I'd argue that any religion that views itself as superior or all-knowing is actually inferior and irrelevant.
I never knew what a complete idiot Morgan is. I had been giving him too much credit.
The one fact that cannot be denied is that I exist right now at this moment. This is the only fact I have evidence of, no evidence of life before or after. Also, I know that time is basically infinite, therefore, my existence at this given moment is so improbable, that it is basically statistically impossible. I am the result of about 90,000 generations of humans, with who knows how many eggs and sperms that did not become me, that could have become someone else, but did not. Based on all of this, I have come to the conclusion, that my conscious, not my body, has and always will be in existence. I can come to no other conclusion.
You were doing pretty good until you wrapped it up with a glaring non sequitur.
God exists in the mind, and that's OK.
You can be a good person and believe in a a God. And, I think you can be a good person and not believe in a God.
God exists in the mind, and that's OK.
You can be a good person and believe in a a God. And, I think you can be a good person and not believe in a God.
Many people who believe in God are super great people because God, when creating us, put this in our hearts. Badness in people is a byproduct of the first created man (Adam) disobeying God, but that badness only gives us an opportunity to choose which direction we will go. A Christian has chosen to follow God. No one should be so quick to say there is no God. If there was no God, no one would ever have to ask "Where was/is God?" when there is a bad event? Only atheists ask that question, Christians understand – we hurt for the suffering, but we understand. This is a world cursed by Adam's disobedience and bad things as well as good things have always happened and will always happen until God returns this earth to Himself.
And I suppose you also believe that you omnipotent God, who sees all, knows all, knowingly gives children to people who will abuse and or murder them??? (remember, your god KNOWS ALL) Your god, who is "perfect" creates severely deformed and mentally retarded people or children who are born with no kidneys, etc? You have a lot of questions to answer and these are only two. Just BELIEVING these things doesn't make them TRUE.
@fill I believe 100% what @roy said, the good and bad exists, but we look at them the other way. The good is like light, and when there is light you see every thing. But the Dark is not anything, its absence of light and that is same as bad, which is absence of good. So God created GOOD, but some of us dont use that instinct of our inner self because of any psychological reason, and we end up doing things that are NO GOOD(absence of GOOD) and thats why they are bad.
I just watched the interview on religion, and unfortunately Piers comes across as very insecure. As an interviewer he should ask and learn, not interrupt to the point where his interviewee can hardly get a word in edgewise. He makes a big point to say, I know how we got here, we were created - by a creator. So what?
I believe that religion is a matter of choice. We know in our hearts what the right thing is and what is wrong, our choice! Why do we need to use a religion to make us make those choices? I also believe that by needing religion and naming a religion puts you in a place of not knowing right from wrong in living.
Thank god I'm not the only one who was irritated by Piers in this interview!
How can you call "I believe there is no god" a non-believe? As an interviewer he totally missed the point here. He acted as he was being attacked by Penn, because he doesn't believe exactly the same as Piers does. Just because somebody doesn't believe what you believe, it doesn't mean he automatically disrespect you, and it doesn't mean he is an idiot. Piers was the disrespectful one here. Why attack somebody who says "I don't claim to know"?
There are no NON believers on a sinking ship...or a crashing plane.
Science will take you to the moon, Religion will take you to crush planes into buildings.
Like Mother Teresa, right? Such broad strokes! Pointless generalities and baseless argumentation make weak foundations upon which to hang one's coat.
To all my friends, to whatever school of thought you belong, I think there is answer to everything. I just saw the show, Mr. Morgan could not give any proof of existance of GOD to the guests. Any one can find the answer. I am not saying you have to accept a relegion or convert a religion, but if you want your answers, I sincerely will ask you to read the translation of Quran just for the sake of fun or research and you'll find proofs, and specially the people who believe in GOD will be amazed to find in Quran that God of Moses, Jesus, Ibrahim, Mohammad , ISAAK(P.B.U.H) and the GOD of Lucifier is the Same, and you'll be amazed to see that the stories that are found in other religious books like bible are there too. Just for the sake of research read Quran's translation, at least after reading all that you'll be sure what you have to believe in. All the answers that atheists ask, are there. This ancient book has answers to so many mysteries, the meteors, the universe, the soul the life, the death, genetic engineering, Moses, Jesus and there is a complete chapter on Marry (Mother of Jesus). My freinds seriously if your atheist may be you'll find something to answer to the believers, if your believers than you will be amazed. If you have some confusion you can refer to any Islamic scholar and he will tell you the history and why certain verse is written and what it means. I am sure if Peirce Read this once just once, and then he calls the same guest again, He'll have a great show
Isa of the Qu'ran and Jesus of the Bible are NOT the same person. The Koran admits as much. Neither is the Holy Trinity recognized as Allah either. So what is your point? The Qu'ran says 'blue', so to speak, when the Bible says 'NOT blue' ... beginning with Abraham and Moses, all the way up to Mary and John the Baptist, etc. At least that's what my Koran says...
Read Acts 17:24-31. Paul stated things quite clearly there for the whole world – as he did in Romans chapter 1.
Also the reply I gave above will give you answers to what the extremists and terrorists are doing, The Quran Fully prohibits murder of innocent people and someday you can slap a terrorist who claims to be a follower of Quran that they are wrong, I live in a country full of extremist people and 90% of them have not read any translation to Quran nor they understand, they just go for word of mouth, so do read my friends and comment. All religions are respectable to every one who believes in something. Just pray to GOD before you read the Quran with sincerity that "Show me the light, show me what the truth is so I dont have to be ashamed when I face you after death". and leave the rest on who you believe in.
regarding the Penn Jillette there was a clip of you speaking about the american issue with the need for the government to be more involved helping out the people, ie., the poorest ones first.... Mr. Morgan I want to say that the American people really do not have a total understanding on how government should be involved and help out as it is in the UK... one good clue would be to look at the healthcare system... American people still see that as socialist as in communistic... they do not understand how it works, so when you said that about government helping out he took that as charity...
Piers, I once was Catholic, but rejected the religion 20 years ago because of its focus on shame and fear. I recently read an absolutely shocking, amazingly honest book that helped me to realize that perhaps we can transition from a childhood fear of God to a loving spiritual relationship in adulthood and still be Catholic. I highly recommend this highly provocative read. http://www.amazon.com/My-Mother-Killed-Christ-Anyway/dp/0615438091/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314025853&sr=8-1
You would not believe the dissappointment I felt during the Penn Gillette interview... You crumbled like moldy cheese due to fear & insecurity when trying to uphold that your religiosity had any realistic merit in this world. (Other than in your mind – which is exactly the same as a child's stubborn belief in Santa Claus!!)
I thoroughly enjoy your interviews otherwise! But you insisted in speaking OVER the very polite Mr. Gillete as he started to answer the questions you'd asked ONE second before. This was terribly UNPROFESSIONAL and unexpected from your typical style.
This reaction is clearly due to deep seeded religious education (read BRAINWASHING). Sorry but it is true. A bit of counseling might help...
PLEASE – Here is an honest suggestion: READ Rchard Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" and / or Christopher Hitchen's "god is NOT great" and /or Sam Harris' "Letter to a christian nation"
AND do not forget to invite them to your show. That will be simply amazing IF (that is...) you LET THEM ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!!
To Arq and others: It seems to me that most of the comments recorded here are the result of a different kind of "brainwashing". If anyone wants to hear a meticulous refutation of Dawkins but more so of
Hawking's incomprehensible theory, go to another scientist, a mathematician: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=222ihLZlujQ
so disappointed in piers, didn't know he was one of the 'brainwashed millions'....
You are missing the point. Most posts are regarding how rude and abrasive Piers was and injecting his view points, religious and political. Whether a viewer was devotedly religious (Catholic or otherwise), Agnostic or Atheist, Piers is the interviewer and should let the guest speak. He kept talking over Penn. The beauty of living in the U.S. is that we have the freedom to express our opinions. Piers was taking that right away from Penn. No wonder Piers' ratings are low.
I think Piers did a great interview. He just had passion about the subject...and interviewing Pen, who is an atheist would be a challenge. The reason is clear that atheists are always soooo rigid about defending their point of view. There is no flexibility with them. It is not even worth the effort to "speak" our views with atheist people. If anything, Piers Morgan would only want hope and peace to come out of this. Give the guy a break. I don't think any of you or myself would have done better in Piere's shoes.
Are you kidding me? Piers Morgan was rude, argumentative and interrupted Penn Gillette every time Penn tried to answer a challenge. Penn was very patient and if I had been in his position, I would have walked off. I have religion shoved at me from every direction daily, so don't tell me about how understanding and patient religious people are. Interestingly, belief in and of itself doesn't make religious people happy. Their biggest enjoyment is shoving it down others' throats. I am an atheist and never mention it until I'm being pushed by some fanatic which in the fundamentalist south is way too often.
Ann – I totally agree. Atheists are rigid??? Dalia, where have you been? Religious people don't even want to HEAR us say that god doesn't exist. Expressing our point of view is considered an insult to religious people. They never want to hear us out. And when we attempt to present a calm and thoughtful argument, religious people get upset and walk off. Atheists are the ones that have had to maintain patience, and we frankly shouldn't have to anymore. Look at that interview and actually count the amount of talking time Piers uses in comparison to Penn. That wasn't respectful at all. And even considering how much Penn was interrupted, he still managed to present strong arguments. We don't need a lot of time to counter religious arguments, and that's why religious people constantly interrupt us.
I need a thread on what Ruidi Juliani said to you, about how he accused Barack obama of laying the blame for the state of the economy at the republicans door. If you have a bunch of subordinates or peers who are playing up, dont you have to say its their fault for playing up and the answer can be, "you have to take the blame you are the head", and then you have to say, "how can i inform the public of whats going on if i dont say this is a pack of monkeys". I suppose the public expect me to stop people from hoodwinking them, when i know somthing of the sort i have to inform them of it"?
Are three years a reasonable time in which to say that what is going on in the country is now my fault , not the fault of the previous e administration?
Of course what is going on now is not Obamas faullt, everyone knows that you could not get out of that dip in a hurry or i suppose everyone does. If you say, "look you have been in three years" you should have cured that one by now, then you are just using a clever clever arguement that experience tells you will wash, though it has little logic in it. Not all situation are the same, if you are to reach a conclusion about how long it should take to get out of them you need to have a long discussion about how bad they were and what was on hand to help you to solve the problem, you cant just state that it should be Obamas fault after three years, you have to try to base what you say on on lots of things.that after three years the economy should become obamas fault is an arguement that for some reason people accept out of hand though i dont believe they see it as reasonable, do you think they could have just said to Churchill, "you should have won the war in three years"? Would it have been just if they had,? What yard stick are we using? The magick one in which you should be able to deal with a problem immediately.
Obama has the crazy tea partiers to deal with and republicans who really dont take any of the blame, the country broke because the republicans allowed the financiers to get totally out of hand though to go back that far is not to go back far enough the financiers started to do things that were bound to cause the crash long before, when they started to sell mortage bonds on the open market. In clinton tiem or at least they tok a ne¡w paht that was to lead them to a ot ofplaces they did not expect to go to that became more and more dishonest and lead to the fatal finally, Also Bush starteds wars that benefit his cronies finacially becuase they get contracted to feed the solidiers, while at the same time he lowered taxes and ruidi juliani says that obama is spending more money than bush he is paying the interest on the loans bush took out hta tcosts money.
The republicans instead of hiding their heads and wearing sack cloth and ashes for what happened and it was bad enough to expect them to wear sack cloth and ashes for a good ten years or some such, have been kicking up a tremendous fuss and they put the blame on Obama and when he puts things straight they say oh look he is trying to put the blame on us..
It seems to me to be the republicans should have been better at handling Wall Street than democrats, being the rich, money is sort of their stamping ground and Wall Street got totally out of hand, It seems that all the financiers in the world got out of hand.
The religions have also got totally out of hand, while they sigh and moan about the poor and call everyon selfish for not giving their all to them, they ask for the vote for the right! Why could not they get people to have anti-abortion groups on the left, because the religiouse back up the right and the best way to do that is to have your anti abortion groups on the right.
Dont the evangelists have a lot of poor people in their church, how do they manage to keep the poor faithfull to them and back up the right, have th poor got stupid recently? These are crazy times. Why does no one accuse the religions of today of being totally hypocrytical? Maybe because that is the job of the rich who often dont get hoodwinked by the religious, the religiouse are after all usuallly lower on the social scale than the ruling class, the religiouse are part of the country the rich traditioanlly kept in order, so the rich werent bought up to feel overly respectfull of them, so it should be easier for them to see through them but then how are the rich to say the religions are gullying the people, that the religions should be asking the vote for the left if they are to help the poor they pretend to favour, when the rich want the poor to vote for the right, the rich usually saw through the religious but used them to gully the poor.
The religious usually or at least the catholics try to keep things to arguments about God, which is to say pretty airey fairey, the real points that we consider when considering the benefits of different religions are, how honest is this or that religion, are they gullying the poor or are they really good or at least that is how i see it. I dont really mind much about God next to the doctrines of a religon when i weigh up that religion, so to get cross with atheists who are talking about whether God exists or not is beside the point, the oint is are these religiooins beneficial or a flaming nuiscance to the weak., how they gully the poor and take the power through confession and repression and such.
If obama did not want to cut down on spending because it is spending that gets the economy going, did not he get just what he wanted when the tax ceiling was raised? The spending cuts are meant to come in gradually aren't they? this means that he has stopped the cuts for now and not raised taxes, pretty neat. tough guy. rose macaskie madrid.
tough croud...tough croud here, that's all I have to say.
I see how with your beliefs you'd consider this a THOUGH CROWD... Yes; spelling IS important!
Most atheists prefer discussing issues with 'educated' counterparts. I see how you are sure you could not have done any better.... and I'm glad this is all you have to say.
Passion about a subject does not preclude a polite conversation – as it is the case with (most) religious people.
I see how with your beliefs you'd consider this a THOUGH CROWD... Yes; spelling IS important!
Most atheists prefer discussing issues with 'educated' counterparts. I see how you are sure you could not have done any better.... and I'm glad this is all you have to say.
Passion about a subject does not preclude a polite conversation – as it is the case with (most) religious people."
You wrote the word tough wrong......................plus, you do not practice politeness, like you say you do. You do
not come across as a person with an intelligent counterpart either.
to ARQ, I apologize for my spelling as English is not my maternal language, and I am "educated" also.
like I said tough crowd! but actually I found you funny!
This interview wasn't about Penn Jillette at all. It was about Piers Morgan, and he was only using Penn as a foil to express his own narrow minded beliefs. Granted, Larry King only threw softballs, but at least the interviewee had a chance to respond.
I have read all the posts, people seem to be attacking Pierce a lot. He did seem or was on the defensive, but in his defence, I think it is because Penn himself comes off as a bully. The only thing that was important to me was to know that Pierce beleives in God, that was a relief because I care about him, he is an important figure on television.
Piers apparently felt offended on God's behalf as well for believers but God doesn't need our defense. The proof of
God is creation and His Word. We are not called upon to 'prove' God but to seek Him. Those interested in Penn's
views will just have to buy his book and maybe that's how it was calculated.
As for God being in the same category with Santa and Easter Bunny etc.: Ask Santa or Easter Bunny to make themselves real to you. Then ask God (if interested) the same question. He will respond to a seeking heart. How do
I know? He found me and His Word also says so: "His eyes go to and fro throughout the earth seeking those whose
hearts are open toward Him". Does He that created the ear not hear us when we call?
Religion is different from relationship. Knowing about God doesn't compare to knowing God.
Unless a man is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God. Someone famous said that.
That was great. You made good, valuable, and truthful comments.
When I was kid, I believed in the tooth fairy, easter bunny, santa claus and God....as I grew up I learned that none of these existed except for God. God reveals Himself in the Bible providing a history of the chosen peoples, and a record of fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled prophecy – 100% fulfilled prophecy. If there was no God, the prophecy would not be 100% fulfilled.
If your God responds to a seeking heart, where was (H)is response in Ruwanda, Berlin, Mogadishu, Cambodia, New Orleans, Northern Iraq, Bangladesh, Tangshan earthquake, Phuket, an eternally starving Africa? Surely amongst those and many, many more catastropies there were a few 'seeking hearts'.
That was very nice to read Almalee. Thank you. It will surely give hope, or plant seeds in the hearts of many.
"If you could reason with religious people... there would be NO religious people!"
Morgan came off as a scared child. Pitiful
This issue has been argued for so long and it doesn't need to be argued anymore because the point has been made clear – and religious/spiritual people CHOOSE not to accept it. This is the whole idea behind atheism, and why I support it: "Just because you don't know, doesn't give you the right to make it up". Atheism is not against the idea of god. They are against the act of making something up which has no basis just to satisfy human emotion. Aka "There is a god because life isn't worth living without god." And that just means that YOUR life sucks, because there are plenty of reasons and ways to enjoy life that doesn't mean praying and worshiping something that at this point, is just a figment of the imagination.
You all miss the point. God wants us to believe by faith not science. All the answers will never be there. If they were, there would be no reason for faith. I
If there were "just facts" there would be no need for blind faith. Your thinking is very backward.
John Longshore – How do you know "God" wants you to believe by faith? O wait, you don't. It's people that want you to believe by faith. Why? Because the whole idea of religion is an invention of human kind to explain what they, at the time, don't understand. Religion is primitive, and it's about time, as evolved human beings, that we let go of it. The Bible, these stories, are all mostly fiction passed down from generation to generation. God is nothing more than a human desire to have an explanation for everything even when you don't know. The human mind tries to fill in the blanks with something, and therefore people use their imagination. Not only that, but this belief in god is just a tool, designed to control human beings, to keep them in line, to harbor fear. Believers claim that "God" gave us free will, but the irony is that the very belief in a god removes freedom.
Pedro, well said! If nothing else, this is just another reminder of how many "sheep" there are in this world.
Really disappointing interview...Piers spent the whole time on the offense and didn't even pause long enough to actually LISTEN to what Penn was saying. He kept saying the same thing over and over again after Penn had tried to address his questions.
Penn beat the pants off Piers. Sorry Piers, you lose this time! Penn did so by being patient, listened and wasn't argumentative. Piers was completely unglued.
I found true respect for Penn. To believe is good. I believe in God...... I was raised catholic and left with soooo many questions; unanswered.. I agree with Pedro to the point that humans need the explanation for the unknown. Religion is a good thing. We all need to believe in something to keep us honest, wholesome and generous to those who are less fornunate. But, who is filling our heads with who we need to worship????????????????. Who is god????? We all have a vision or a belief. I want to hear what Penn has to say and now I will buy his book since he was the only one who talked with any sense. It's very comforting to know I am not alone in feeling that this interview was a total waste of Morgan's time; this was a notch in Penns belt.
Penn made his point better on NPR: This I believe there is no god. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557
Piers assumes, the assumption of a God is more sensible; this begs the question; he cannot believe there is a label on the bottle he is in because for him there is only one bottle.
How can one pick a right god without offending billions of people? Judaism, Islam, Christianity, believe in Yahweh, only one path makes Jesus divine and none of the other religious traditions find Jesus Divine. See the options here: http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Choose and explain why without negating another god. Select a god and you are an atheist to the other gods. Just live, be a good human being like Penn....
america is a better place with peirs here.
I HAVE SEEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WITH MY OWN EYES.I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T BELIEVE.GOOD LUCK.YOU HAVE NOTHING.
Piers, the next time you have an Atheist on the show please have them explain how they believe in death and do not believe in GOD who established death, that Man will die at an appointed time. If death is one of the scientific ideologies then he should tell me how to slow it down or avoid it. If death cannot be avoided then he better prepare for the other part. "For it is appointed unto man once to die and after that JUDGEMENT". Good Luck, Penn Jillette!
Lost total respect for Piers tonight. He sounded as bat-shyyt crazy as Bachman or Perry with his dogmatic stance on this issue. He gave Jillette no credence or respect in his BELIEF that there is no invisible man up in the sky. YES religio-tards atheism is a BELIEF, get used to it! We don't have have proof that there is NO GOD, and you have no proof that there is one, except what you fail to realize is that the burden of proof is on those that claim there is. Sorry Piers, you sounded so friggin' defensive and amateur that I cannot ever take anything else you say with any serious consideration. Get off the JEEZUS addiction Piers and join the 21st century!
God bless you Piers for revealing the true spirit that lives within us. We cannot define our beliefs within the confines of the human mind.
I want to ask you to reread your statement until you understand how silly it sounds, but I know that won't work. To summarize, you just said that it's okay to believe something that makes no sense. That's how brainwashed you and so many others are. If you believe in god, you have to admit that one of our greatest gifts is human intellect and reason. And you're saying that the main thing that has separated us from all other creatures, is the very thing we should abandon to support this believe in god? That is not just ridiculous, it is insulting. It is degrading. It's intellectual slavery. And I will not be part of it.
Anne – The spirit within us should emphasize belief in humankind. After all, if God left us here to do the right thing which God and which religion will guide us if we don't believe in ourselves?
The spirit of inwardness reveals itself in our relationships with humankind which is not a belief, it is the reality of our life on this earth. By trusting in God through prayer and our love of each other we are guided by the spirit within us which will reflect a true understanding of ourselves.
Piers, you became unprofessional when you turned the interview into a platform for espousing your beliefs.I wanted to know more about Penn but learned a lot about your belief in God. Too bad : (
The more incomprehensible theists make god the more impossible the discussion; the more personal theists make god the more more irrelevant the discussion. Belief in god exists, why assume that belief is a virtue?
As the others have said I'd like to hear what your guests have to say. I watched the Josh Groban interview. It was painful to watch you squelch and talk over such a talented guest. He has a wonderful sense of humor...can you put your ego aside and allow your guests to shine? I've tried to watch your show on several occasions and I get frustrated because you continue to talk about how YOU FEEL. I do appreciate when you ask the hard questions. It took Oprah awhile to learn.
Just because we don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A higher power is just that: Higher. So that means we won't understand and know all of the facts just because we believe in God. God is real. Creation is real. Just because people don't believe in God, also does not mean He doesn't exist. Proof of an atheist believing in no god, means he still believes in something. This world, the earth, the planets, the sun, our existence is way too extraordinary put together for it to just have happened by chance.
And Penn's point was that if we don't understand it, we can't KNOW what it is, and thus we can't KNOW that it is a god, so why do people pretend they know when they admit it's something beyond our comprehension?
"This world, the earth, the planets, the sun, our existence is way too extraordinary put together for it to just have happened by chance."
This and "dinosaur bones exist to test our faith" are my two favorite arguments from religious people.
Morgan.. I used to respect you. With this interview you proved how ignorant you are.
Penn is obviously not arrogant to say he knows the answers. But piers and all believers are. Man made up stories.
How about having Jim-Bob Baker replacing Piers?
I just read thru all the posts and find it interesting that no one has commented on Penn's commendation about Jehovah's Witnesses. This is the real proof of God's existence. Humble people volunteering their time to preach about God and tell their neighbors the truth from the Bible unpaid and usually rejected and scorn like Jesus was treated when he was on earth. This is the proof that Jehovah God exists. Mathew 24:14 says, This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to the nations and then the end will come. This prophesy from the Bible is being fufilled all around the earth right now and Jehovah's Witnesses are humbly doing God's Will.
Amy, clearly your standards for proof are very low. And this is one of my major problems with religion and traditional "faith". They lower our standards of examining things, asking us to believe for no reason. To accept because it has been accepted. To believe because it is believed. Don't question. Don't think outside of the box. It's so limiting, so juvenile. If you are content with that, with living your life in some protective bubble so that you don't have to face the truth, then fine. But be honest about it. Say you want to believe in god because it brings you peace of mind. Even if you know there is no strong foundation for it. I prefer that, than this BS idea that your "proof" is simply that others believe in god.
Piers, a total jerk, asking dumb, agressive questions and not letting Penn answer them and Penn is total class, politeness and reason. Penn wins.
Sorry piers, but you should stick to interviewing politicians and burocrats. People that are less inteligent, ignorant and usually pratts in general. Leave the inteligent guys for the intelectuals. People must start to realise that to be intellegent and intelectual you dont need a degree or have studied in some fancy college, you just need to read a great deal and understand and learn how to argument your point. I actually agree with your guest Penn however I could have made him sweat and Im just another agnostic. I bet you couldnt even tell me what are the 10 comandments or at least the first 4.
Interview was mediocre at best. As a Christian myself, I will say that yes, it is true that the burden of proof rides on those (me) who believe in God. Just like Penn, I'm open to others' beliefs and I would never degrade or judge anyone, atheists or agnostic. But, I would like to go back to Soren Kierkegaard. He said, simply, you CANNOT prove God's existence. That's why we have faith, as he emphasized. EVERYONE has faith and if you think by faith I mean 'belief', please read Paul Tillich. And if you want to use the "reason" argument, for starters: "A faith which destroys reason destroys itself and the humanity of man". Not being arrogant nor am I being snobberish.
Chris, I truly respect your input. And I don't mean to insult you, but I just have never understood the point of this concept of "faith". People choose to believe something based on nothing? Why? What purpose does that serve? What benefit? Especially to an atheist, what would be the point of entertaining this notion of faith? The fact of the matter is this. People believe in God for one or more of the following reasons: 1) You have to believe in God or you'll go to hell. 2) You're afraid of death. 3) You have been led to believe that not believing in god equates to an empty life, void of happiness. 4) Human beings cannot be good without God. ALL of these claims are false. 1) There is no proof that hell exists (at least the hell described in the bible). 2) If you make the most of your life here on Earth, there really is no reason to fear death. 3) You can have a fulfilling life without God. You don't need God to have friends, to have fun, to have a family, to have a good job. 4) Believing in God has never guaranteed a person's "goodness". In fact, many have done wrong in the name of God. So there.
If I make the claim that a elf is living in my garden it is up to me to prove it......... it is not up to others to disprove it. The same with religion.... if people want to make the claim that there a magic man living in space that created the universe it is up to them to prove it... They made the claim!
Penn is an ass. I chastised the last line in his book "F*** faith" as being empty-headed, and he had no argument against me, just a meaningless insult. Neither did he have an argument when I told him, "I am skeptical of your skepticism." The man tries to appear to be rational, but his responses were not, and the last line of his book was just ignorant emotionalism. If a Christian ended their book with the words "F*** atheism" or "F*** secular humanism," they would be just as vapidly ignorant as Penn. We don't, however, and thus we aren't!
You state your thoughts on the last phrase: "F*** faith" as being empty-headed, ...and without argument against me, ...and just a meaningless insult.
You'd be correct if that phrase was the whole content of the book. – But alas, it is not.
You have obviously, plainly, & utterly failed to follow the line of reasoning in this and MANY other books which lead (more than validly & appropriately) to the ending phrase: "F*** faith". This is why you are insulted. As a x-tian, you are likely to easily dismiss reasonable arguments in support of completely unreasonable ones possessing no validity in a logical context.
Indeed, if a x-tian ended their book with the words "F*** atheism" or "F*** secular humanism," they would be vapidly ignorant... And no one could argue this! The reason is NOT the fact that they used that phrase; It is the fact that they would be clearly, completely & totally lacking in any reasonable arguments whatsoever (as consistently demonstrated throughout history) that would support any valid use of the phrase in this context.
And THAT is a very important difference your failed reasoning chooses to ingnore!.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightening rod on top shows a clear lack of confidence."
- Doug McLeod
If there were no God, there would be no atheists. –G.K. Chesterton.
S. Norton – You may think that's a clever quote, but it's not. Not even a little bit. It has no foundation. You might as well replace the word God with Santa Clause or Zeus. It means nothing. What you should say is, "Without humans, there would be no god". We invented all the stories and wrote all the books.
S. Norton – You may think that's a clever quote, but it's not. Not even a little bit. It has no foundation. You might as well replace the word God with Santa Clause or Zeus. It means nothing. What you should say is, "Without humans, there would be no god". Humans invented all the stories and wrote all the books.
Personally, I find Piers Morgan an insufferably rude bore. WHY do they keep him on? Howard Stern did it better, even without the upper-crust British accent.
I suppose anger is the appropriate response to a challenged belief not backed up by a single fact, since you have nothing else to offer in reply.
go back to the UK and pray to the Nazi pope.
If you want evidence for god, checkout these books written from a man that was once an Atheist. I was once an atheist as well.
The Case for Christ, The case for a Creator, or The Case for Faith
The author needed more than just believing in blind faith. He walked through evidence much like a trial lawyer would do to find as much information as he could. This is one of the books that allowed me to believe in God and trust my heart for the Lord Jesus. I believe he did exist and he did show he was fully god and fully human. I'm an analytical person and a computer programmer that needed more than just blind faith.
Here's a few things, why I believe in God. Can you see God directly? No. But can you see oxygen to breath?, can you see gravity? How can these perfect spinning planets just be suspended in space, perfectly? Why is Earth the only place we can live? Why just 2000 years ago, the vast majority of people believed in God? Why is a baby so perfect when born? This isn't just chance. My child didn't morph from a monkey. Why do we have a conscience to do right and wrong? That's not visible.
If you don't have enough information, this is one book that changed my life. It's only $8. That's cheaper than most lunches now days, or two boxes of cereal. If you don't believe in God, but seeking more information and willing to listen to an alternative, buy the book. Your only out two boxes of cereal, but you had an open mind.
I've read the 'Case for crist'. And I can honestly say that it is not only quite badly done. It is pure self-serving, nonsensical, and illogical. I can plainly see why the author failed as a trial lawyer. He seeks only the most fanatical religious people as his support witnesses, and refers to non that would refute his failed logic. He simply fails miserably at making a case in favor of his argument. Religion makes no sense and belief in a god is a willing delusion. Obviously , it may work for people who lack an analitycal sense and logic. and are prone to this anyway.
An old religious GF asked me to read it and we discussed each of his 'cases'. Even she could see the failed logic after reading it together!
Simply a very bad work of religious propaganda.
JR.. Glad to see you read the book. If I remember correctly, he wasn't a trial lawyer, but was a journalist in Chicago.
I would like to say that I am an analytical person and I did find the book very helpful. I'm a programmer and constantly write code which is analytical. How would you try and understand God? How would you understand learning about science? By reading books, gaining knowledge?
Part of the problem with most analytical people (or now: scientists), is they try and rationalize "everything" and not see the big picture. They look for every detail beyond a doubt there is no creator.
I look at a simple perspective of common sense, and through knowledge. It's like programming. If I design for months on a project, I tend to make things so complicated, things fall apart due to complexity. While, other times, I tend to use the Keep It Simple Stupid approach to code. My point is, you don't have to explain everything. I believe beyond that we tend to walk down a path we were designed for. Look at Darwin... Look at WW2 and Hitler. Hitler was looking for perfect. Look how many millions of lives were killed because of this "perfect" desire. Were finite... God is infinite.... and that's fine with me.
Thanks for the advise though.
Nick – you obviously don't read enough. Firstly, all the questions you ask have answers, so stop presenting them as if they don't. We know how planets can be suspended in space. That was covered in high school. Earth has never been claimed to be the only place we can live. That is pure speculation on your part. 2000 years is not a long time. Not in the expanse of the universe. Secondly, I cringe when people compare believing in god to oxygen and gravity. We can't see oxygen with the naked eye, but there are other ways of identifying it. We can even put it in a container and use it for experiments. Gravity is a manifestation of pressure, which again, can be recreated and tested. God is nothing more than a human idea. You believe in god because you "feel" that god exists. This "feeling" actually isn't a feeling, but rather an opinion, and people like you need to stop confusing an opinion with a feeling.
Hey Pedro. I do read plenty. Of course they have answers, I can answer them all, as you can. My point for most of my questions was that many non-believers seem they must "see" God in order to have proof that a creator exists.
Why is it that if we lived on Venus, we would burn up, and yet, living on Mars, we would be too cold to even sustain life.
I do have an opinion about God. I "feel" that a creator exists because when I pray he answers my prayers. I can "see" that he exists by his creation and beauty that he created. Your opinion is that God does not exist, or that's your feeling based on knowledge that you have read. Right now, I don't have enough information to be an atheist.
This world is NOT chance by some cosmic explosion and somehow we are perfectly created with different races, animals, species, etc.
Nick – I think you misunderstand. When non-believers say they need to "see" god they don't mean literally. They mean that they need to be able to test with scientific proof that god exists. Although you cannot see oxygen or gravity, there are scientific ways to prove they exist. For god, that is not the case. To your other points, stop saying we are perfectly created. We are NOT. We are constantly evolving to improve our natural imperfections. That is something that has not stopped. Additionally, many scientists have suggested that not only is it possible, but it is extremely likely that other planets like Earth exist in the universe. We just don't have the technology, yet, to find out more. Additionally, you misunderstand the definition of atheism. Atheism does not say that we KNOW god doesn't exist. Atheism says that because of the LACK of proof, no one can currently conclude that god exists with any certainty. Therefore, because there is no proof, we don't believe in god, nor do we think of faith as a noble quality. Additionally, the claim that you believe in god because he answers your prayers is a VERY weak argument. I can almost guarantee that god has NOT answered every single one of your prayers, you simply choose to only highlight the ones that came true. I could wish for a new television for Christmas, go on to save money for it, buy it, and then claim Santa Claus answered my wish. It's arbitrary. You're believing something not because there is evidence to support it, but rather because you choose to look at the situation in a convenient way that supports your opinion.
Hey Pedro.. Sorry I wasn't trying to claim the people in the world were perfect. The creation of the world is perfect like nature in itself, the stars in the sky. Your right our world is not perfect.
God doesn't answer all of my prayers that's for sure. But many times, god does answer them.
How would you scientifically prove that god exists? Evidence? Information? Past historical information? Years of data?
Just because we live in a scientific world now, doesn't mean God doesn't exist. What about romans, greeks....about 2000 years ago?
What about the Dead Sea Scrolls, that were just found in roughly 1948? I guess those just are made up, but yet carbon dated to be between written 2000 years ago. I guess that's not enough proof that "maybe" the old people back then weren't crazy, because they had statistics in a spreadsheet. Just because it can't be proven by a scientist, doesn't mean it's NOT true. Is every scientist experiment true? Or is it true when 20 out 50 experiments are true.
I'll take a book that was written roughly 2000 years ago (The bible), and then some of it (Dead Sea Scrolls) was found only 50 years go....and proven the bible we have today is accurate.....ANYDAY.... over scientists studies that god can't be explained via experiments.
Again...Thanks for the discussion.
Nick – I'm sorry but you're not making any sense. Stories alone are not and will never be considered proof. You clearly outline in your last statement that we should simply believe something because other people have believed it. Really? That's your argument? That a bunch of people wrote something and because it's old and a lot of people believed it, that's proof? For how many years did people believe the Earth was flat? Did that make them right? No. I would argue that because we DO live in a SCIENTIFIC world, we should CULTURALLY evolve. Religion, this belief in god, is outdated. Why are so many people afraid to admit that? What about the Greek and Romans? They believed in tons of different gods. They, too, were mistaken. The stories are either made up or grossly exaggerated. Especially when we talk about Jesus. Why is it that Christians believe something that happened 2,000 years ago, but if some random person were to claim the same things Jesus claimed, they would never believe him in today's world. How does that make the old world valid? Do you see what I am saying? You can't scientifically prove that god exists BECAUSE HE DOESN'T EXIST. Why is that so hard to understand? Believers want special treatment. They want their god to be exempt from scientific experiments so they can continue living in fantasy world. Wake up man, wake up.
I have also read the book and when I was a devout Christian, it really appealed to me. But, many of Strobel's arguments started to crack when I compared the arguments to other non-christian books and especially in deeper waters of debate. His arguments, like Josh McDowell, are effective for christian teens and adults, but fall short for non religious critical thinkers.
The example you used... about how the planets spin in space point to a god at work... First of all, they do not spin perfectly (neither do they rotate around the sun in a perfect circle). A course in Astronomy and Physics will help explain how things work and clearly show that a divine force is not necessary to keep the planets moving the way they do. The universe is definitely not the work of a god with a plan. Don't be afraid to look into it at a deeper level.
Thanks Matt.. I didn't see much cracking when I read the book. But thanks. If you have a recommendation on an astronomy that'd be great. I'd love that.
I do believe just because I'm a christian, doesn't put myself into a non critical thinking mode. It took me many months before I had enough information before I believed that there was a creator. I'm all for learning further. That's one thing that does evolve, is information that I can learn. thanks for the advise.
Piers please let your guest speak....thanks
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Amazon ALWAYS listens to us. Here's the proof – Kindle Library Lending is coming in 2011. It's what everyone asked for. Even though many people will start borrowing free library books and not buy books from Amazon, they will ultimately gain. They will suffer at first but their market share will grow. Imagine how many people will buy the Kindle instead of the Nook and how many people will convert to Kindles? Eventually even those who predominantly read free library books will also buy some ebooks.
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