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Mitt Romney's son Josh Romney joined Piers Morgan tonight for the "Piers Morgan Interview." Josh's mom Ann Romney stood up for herself in the media today after comments made by Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen. Josh stood up for his mom's decision to remain a stay-at-home mom while she raised her five boys. "She did some of the hardest work you can do," he said. "She held every job imaginable raising the five boys and we were a lot of work for her I assure you."
Romney said his parents didn't take the easy way out by hiring someone to take care of him and his brothers growing up. "My parents really did try and do things the hard way and taught us the value of hard work and being at home."
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Things to take into consideration here:
1. Stay at Home Mom's do work.
2. Most working women don't CHOOSE to work.
3. Working women whom are Mother's do both jobs.
The comments made to today by Hilary Rosen specifically stated that Ann Romney has never been in a position of having to understand the economic concerns associated with working mothers. She did not imply that working moms don't work.
Let quit taking things out of context.....
Out of context??? "Mrs. Romney has never worked a day in her life!" How has that been taken out of context? Even if she was saying she has never worked in the "real" economy, that would still be a highly offensive and inaccurate comment. The truth is, this was an example of a liberal woman taking out her anger on a conservative woman. I am confident that Hilary Rosen doesn't "have to" work like she claims.
SHE HAS NEVER WORKED A DAY IN HER LIFE PERIOD. They can spin it all they want, she has never held down a paying job, she has never had to rely on a paying job to raise her family; she has never had to worry about what will happen if she is laid off, she can never know what it is like to hold down a job. She has never worked a day in her life, and she has never even raised her kids herself. Ann is a privileged woman, and she should thank her stars for that. She should stop trying to make working mothers understand her position. She can never understand. SHE HAS NEVER WORKED A DAY IN HER LIFE PERIOD
@NGO, I have a job, I worry about getting laid off, I have to pay the mortgage and the car payments, make sure there is enough food on the table, and all the other things you said. And I would not trade my silly work for the work my wife does in the home taking care of our kids and making sure the house runs. Because it is hard work, and it is day in and day out, laundry, food, shopping, home work, school papers, taxiing kids around (we have 6). Just because someone does not have a "job" does not mean they do not understand the complexities of life.
Stay at home moms do work, but let's face it with $200 million in the bank life F***ING much easier! Ergo, she has never worked a day in her life!
I will modify the quote Anne Romney has never HAD TO work a day OUTSIDE OF THE HOME in her life. IF she could honestly say Mitt was working but we needed a second income to get by, like a good many families do now, so she had to take a job to make ends meet she might be able to claim she really understands on a personal level what many (most?) families are going thru.
Wrong again NGO, As wife of the Governor she worked with many responsibilities. Try again.
YOU ARE PLAINLY ENVIOUS OF HER STATUS. AS HER SON TOLD YOU PLAINLY, HIS PARENTS NEVER HIRED ANYONE TO CARE-TAKE THEM. I BET YOU HAVE OR WISH YOU COULD. JEALOUSY WEAR RATHER OBVIOUSLY ON YOUR FACE.
When we immigrated to North America, we realized that the only way our family can prosper was that I would work and my wife would take care of the family. It was her decision, not mine. Twenty five years later, we are financially stable, out son is finishing his PhD at Stanford, our daughter is a successful lawyer and we are all happy. My wife's work at home was instrumental for the success of our family. We have results thanks to her hard work )and she gave up her work as an engineer).
Out, "never worked a day in his/her life" is an idiom. It means never worked at a job that produced income. How is that an insensitive statement if it's accurate? (I'm not asserting that it's accurate but I am asking you a direct question.)
I too am confident that Hilary Rosen doesn't currently have to work. But that doesn't defeat a claim that Hilary Rosen didn't work a day in her life nor does it defeat a claim that at some point in history she didn't have a choice. (Again, I'm not claiming that Rosen did or didn't have a choice. I'm reviewing your arguments from a mathematical perspective and my conclusion is your arguments are as valid as the classic "then pigs can fly" argument.)
Will you please stick to arguments that are mathematically valid?
Rosen made a thoughtless comment that was immediately disavowed by the White House, the First Lady and most Democratic pundits. Within 24 hours of the gaffe, Rosen apologized to Romney. Why are we still talking about this? Why does Ann Romney need defending after Rosen has already apologized? And what does one person's silly comment have to do with liberal women's anger towards conservatism? If you want to continue beating this dead horse, that's your prerogative, but Rosen's comments are hers alone. Don't try to hang them on all Democratic women. Can we try to elevate our political discussions away from attacking half the population and trying to label anyone who disagrees with your voting record?
"Mrs. Romney has never worked a day in her life!" Are you serious. The definiton of out of context is taking a partial clip of something for a specific agenda. Like you just did.
: What you have is Mitt Romney running around the country saying, well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues, and when I listen to my wife, that’s what I am hearing. Guess what? His wife has actually never worked a day in her life.
She’s never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school and how do we worry – and why we worry about their future. I think, yes, it’s about these positions and, yes, I think there will be a war of words about the positions."
That my friend, si what we like to call context.
"AS HER SON TOLD YOU PLAINLY, HIS PARENTS NEVER HIRED ANYONE TO CARE-TAKE THEM"
They listed five nannies and housekeepers on their tax filings. Either they lied on thier taxes, or the son is a liar.
No matter how you say it, how you try to "spin it". Ann Romney was a pampered housewife She had zillions of dollars at her disposal to hire all the nannies and housekeepers for her five houses. So she didn't have to work. AND according to her maids she didn't. so what more true or trying to mess it up by adding LIBERAL can you say. SHE.........DID...........NOT............WORK.........BECAUSE.........SHE .......WAS........RICH.
Yes, I remember Ann stating that they considered selling some stock because they were once so squeezed economically. Just like women who sell their cars, clothes and go without eating so that their kids can. You're right, she sure does understand those economic concerns of the average woman. (whether working outside the home or not)
Ann Romney was interviewed by Jack Thomas, from the Boston Globe on October 20th, 1994, on her student’s days with Mitt Romney at BYU. Ann Romney said, "They were not easy years, we moved into a $62-a-month basement apartment with a cement floor and lived there two years as students. We had no income but Mitt had 100 shares of stock worth $96 each that he received from his father over many years for his birthday to pay for his education. We would sell a few shares at a time to pay for our education and living expenses. Mitt and I walked to class together, we had no car or TV, shared housekeeping, had a lot of pasta and tuna fish and learned hard lessons. We had our first child in that tiny apartment. We couldn’t afford a desk, so we used a door propped on sawhorses in our bedroom. It was a big door, so we could study on it together and I would hold my son on my lap while we studied. After Mitt graduated in 1975, we had our third boy and it was about the time Mitt’s first paycheck in the amount of $235.50 came along.”
Ann Romney...poor woman...taking care of all those kids.....oh wait, did he have maids? Nannies? Servants? After all, the Romney's are installing a new elevator in their house...for their CARS. I would assume that they have a servant for that task as well......Good for Ann if she was a stay at home mom. but, I ask you, how many servants does she have to help in that effort? Just because she stayed home doesn't mean they she's like every other stay at home mom. Please ask her this: "ON AVERAGE, HOW MANY LOADS OF LAUNDRY DO YOU DO A DAY?" The truth would be telling....
I totally agree with you, Carole.
I totally agree with you Carol.
Rosen referred to Ann Romney never has, has to hold a job, she never referred to Ann for being 'stay at home".
Ann Romney is trying to twist the issue and changing the subject.
Ann Romney said she made a choice of staying at home. Lucky her, million of American women cannot afford the choice.
Ann Romney husband is trying to make men without choice too by moving jobs to other countries.
CHOICE - I think that is a key word to zero in on. While so many republicans are trying to limit CHOICES, or totally do away with CHOICES of the average working/non-working women in this country, it's a big to-do.
CHOICE. Do NOT deny women their God-Given Choice - FREE WILL - that was given by HIM.
Would it make everyone feel better if she did work instead of making raising her children a priority? How many working Moms pay someone else to raise their children?
My wife was a stay at home mom when my kids were little. But please, don't insult me by trying to compare your experience to mine when we were strugling to make ends meet and you married a born millionaire. She has never, ever, in her adult life had to make any hard choices.
She could've avoided a LOT of work if she would've taken Foster Freiss' advice and put an aspirin between her knees.
If you can survive with your cranium embedded in your rectum, why not?
If you are going to say stuff like that, then don't complain about what Rush Limbaugh said.
I agree with Carole and would like to let all know that my Mother was a stay at home Mom and she had plenty on her plate raising 4 children. Hillary Rosen has never had a honest opinion in her blonde head!! Also she should not comment on others when she can not walk and chew gum at the same time!! Liberal, herd mentality and no common sense disrespectful women should mind their own business as well as they mind others, Whine! Whine!
You're obviously a bimbo and have poor reading comprehension. You should keep your pie hole shut.
You hostility is evident and unattractive. This shouldn't be a forum for degrading comments -(your stereotype of "blonde" is highly insulting.) I am disgusted by the war waged between women who have the luxury of being able to "choose" to stay home and those who work because of necessity. Lets get this straight once and for all mothers work , those who stay home and those who also work outside the home. No question.! None-the-less, the work load of mothers who also work outside the home is more intense. I know. I've been both . When I was a stay at home mom, I watched the self-righteous judgment of many of these women. It lead me to feel that they inherently feel inferior to and angry at women employed outside the home. And what was incredibly interesting was also observing how often these "stay at home moms" hired babysitters to watch their children so they could run. Some of them weren't even home when their children were getting home from school. GREAT HYPOCRISY! Women seem to be their own worst enemy with these stupid battles.
Says Hilary Rosen: "Guess what? His wife has actually never worked a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school and why do we worry about their future." Well, guess what, Hilary, neither have you! Washington lobbyist, former CEO/President of the Recording Industry Assoc, former contributor to Huffington Post- until they found out she was a consultant for BP during the oil spill. All those sleepless nights worrying about how to take care of your kids. Can't everyone acknowledge that first ladies are not single mothers trying to make ends meet? All mothers I know who are not struggling have great concern for those who do and their children.
The argument that RICH people can not relate to the plight of he poor is simply without merit in the same way it would be absurd to say a poor person can not reasonably understand how it is much easier when you are rich. As long as someone has average inteeligence they can use their common sense and imagination to understand how it feels to worry about payimg all the bills, getting laid off, etc. I would use the analogy: Does one have to stick their hand in a meat grinder to reasonably appreciate the pain and suffering once would experience.
The fact of the matter is the lacky of empathy argument sounds good for whiners to repeat over and over, but has no basis in fact. I grew up dirt poor, but now am a college grad with an abover average income, but I had no trouble imagining what it would be like to be middle class, nor do I now, nor then have trouble understanding what it would be like to be rich.
Yes, Rich people understand and can fully appreciate what is must be like to be foreclosed on, not have money for food and all of the other essential and non essentials of life. Tiy do not have to be hit by a MACK TRUCK to fully understand that it will cause massive pain and suffering, if not death.
Just as I don't know how is feels to have cancer, the pain, the expense, the laying bed at night praying to God to make it go away, worrying about their children. I have never had cancer so I only know what I have heard, I listen and feel bad for the patient but I don't really know what they go though.
That is how I feel about rich people saying they know how we middle class really feel. They only know the words and feel sorry for us but oh well glad it is not me.
Let me start by saying I was a stay home mom. Let me tell you what it means to be a stay home mom when you are middle class . You wake up at 5 in the morning not to get you kids up, to wait the arrival of the child you do day care for . I had three of my own and watched two others for extra income. Then I would get my three up make breakfast for all , pack lunches and take them all to school, mine were three years apart so it meant three difference school most of the time. Then I would go home clean up the mess from breakfast and lunches, make beds , clean house on some days do laundry and take care of lawn. At three pick up kids all 5 , fix snack , let them play outside while I made dinner. The children would be picked up around 5:15 and my husband would come home around 5:30. Dinner would be waiting on table. I would hurry and get ready for my part time job at the mall 6 – 10. My husband after work would do dishes and homework with the kids, get the ready for bed. Then he could rest maybe and hour before I would get home. Then I would lay out everyones clothes for the next day. In bed by 11:30 up by 5 again and start all over. Then on weekend I would work one 8 hour shift on Sat. and 5 hours on Sunday. This is all so I could be a stay home mom. My kids are all grown now , while they were in college and one went to NYU and Columbia , I worked a full time job and part time midnight shift on weekends to help them go to college. My kids all have school loans the one that went to columbia owes over 300 thousand.
I just wonder if rich poeple understand how hard we work , just to survive. Have they ever laid in bed at night worrying how they would pay the bills, did they ever have to say no to their kids for something they needed. Did they ever run out of food on Wednesday and pay day was Friday. Yes anyone that raises 5 kids does work hard but not as hard as we the middle class do . We all make choices in our lives. I could of went to work full time and left my kids at day care. With out an education even if I did work, day care for three kids would take my whole salary. I believe we all have our own cross to bare, I am not complaining I have a wonderful life and three wonderful kids, and I wonderful and hard working husband. I just want them to know I don't understand what it feels like to have cancer and they don't know what it is like to be middle class. Also I don't think an apology was nesessary , if she is planning on becoming the first lady she needs to get tougher skin, look at all the stuff that has been said about Obama. No one has yet to apologize to him.
Agreed – the Romney's are millionaires many times. And bravo for them on that – but to say they have a clue how the real world working moms live and what they go through – what a joke! After they have their power shut off for lack of money, THEN they can start talking about how she's a "working mom"...
Let's just say if she hasn't worked, she will as First Lady.
Totally agree John. If I were Hillary Rosen I would not have apologized. Being a mom of 5 boys is definitely hard work but Ann is monumentally wealthy. You can be sure that she was not scrubbing the toilets herself in all of her homes and she was not schlepping to the grocery store with 5 kids. She has "people" to do that for her. This is not an argument about stay at home moms who don't work. Raising kids is work but raising them with 200 million dollars in the bank is a lot easier. Ann cannot possibly know what so many women out here in the 99% deal with every day.
I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!! I didn't CHOOSE to work; I HAVE to work!!! I am not rich like Romney and get to "CHOOSE." I am middle class and have no choice!! I would have LOVED to have been able to choose!! Only the rich get to "choose". The middle class and the poor don't have a "choice."
@sharon, I am also one of those "middle class" Americans who chooses to limit my lifestyle so that my wife can stay at home and watch our four kids. I also know of other people who "choose" to work so that they can afford to go skiing during the winter, buy the latest clothes and go on vacation, etc., etc. I'm not saying that you are one of those people, but middle class Americans can make a choice to limit their lifestyles and choose to be home with their children. I believe that one of the greatest works to be done on Earth is the raising of our children.
Let's keep it simple and just say..... if she hasn't worked thus far, she will as First Lady!
She will be a fine replacement of the bitter biatch currently in the White House
1) Agreed. Stay at homes work. Of course, they "work", this has never been in dispute by anyone.
2) I resent the comment that most mothers who work do so because they have no other choice. In fact, I find it as offensive as implying that Ann Romney doesn't "work" because she doesn't have a paying job. I stayed home for the first year of my son's life. After that year. I CHOSE to go back because I loved my career, even though my husband at the time made plenty of money to support us if I stayed home. However, he did not support my decision to return to work so I became a single working mother, by choice.
3) I have excelled at my career and am raising a healthy, happy, well adjusted child so I do both jobs successfully.
If someone were to have Governor Romney's ear (or possible future President Romney's ear) about the economic concerns of working mothers, I would prefer for that to be a working mother with economic concerns. Nothing against Ann Romney, she doesn't have to justify her choices or the financial status of her family. However, for Mitt Romney to say that his wife informs him on such matters is a little disturbing because she can't possibly be qualified to do so. I'm a working mother without financial concerns and I wouldn't be qualified to speak on the subject either. He should get his information from working mothers with financial concerns or at the very least get his information from people who have gotten their information from such women.
Many women (like Mrs. Rosen), prefer to work rather that stay home and wipe the running nose or ass of their baby, It's easier to dress up and wear make up , and stay in the office, while another woman does the hard work of cleaning your house and raising your kids. Mrs. Romney, who was a governor's wife(full time job), and a full time mother, and a house wife, DID NOT GATE PAID, every 2 weeks. How many women can say that they have raised up 5 children?
I wonder if Josh has ever had to have a part-time job after school. I doubt it, but if he did it was probably because he wanted to and not because he had to. Sure Mom's work hard 24/7. but working moms work two full time job. Josh hasn't seen anything yet.
Ann Romney is a joke and her comments show how clearly clueless she is to most mothers in this country who live in the "real world", where raising your children is not "work" but is part of what we do when we decide to have children, thanks very much Ann; she has no clue what "work" means since clearly she's never had to worry about real life concerns like how to pay the bills! Does she understand what a luxury, yes "luxury" Ann, it is to even be able to have a "choice"? Most Mothers would love the luxury of being able to stay home all day, wow what a concept, to raise their children full-time, but since we aren't married to millionaires, we also have to go out into the real world of paying jobs so aside from raising our children, we can also help pay the bills!! What a truly spoilt woman she has shown herself to be and completely out of touch with real Moms who do all the things Ann Romney does AND go to a real paying job 8-10hrs a day to bring home a paycheck, as well as deal with all the stresses that accompany a real paying job, yet we must deal with that privately while we come home and put our "mother" hats back on and get dinner on the table!!
Again, did she raise the kids alone or did she have a "STAFF" to help? How many loads of laundry does she do on a typical day? Does she clean her own floors? How about the chauffer? Were there nannies? Maids? C'mon. There's a difference.....
Shame on Hilary Rosen!!
My mother was a stay-at-home mom with 7 children!!...and she worked damn hard, while my father was out working to earn money. If she didn't stay at home, then what?...put the children in a babysitter's hands?!
I am also a stay-at-home mom raising 3 children...that's my choice, they are MY kids not a babysitter's or nanny's or daycare worker's...and I work bloody hard every day to raise them!.
Hilary Rosen ought to be ashamed of herself to put down Ann Romney or stay-at-home moms with her stupid ignorant comments.
Does Hilary Rosen think that she is any better than Ann Romney or any other stay-at-home mom because she (Hilary) has a paying job?
How dare you people, like @Carol & @Ngo say that stay-at-home moms don't work!! Get real!
We are part of the working world..we handle the finances in our home...we know about the economy..we are up to par with whatever is going on with our children's lives...education, health, sports, extracurricular activities, taxiing kids to & back from school, to their games, & other activities, attending parent teacher's meetings, while keeping my home clean, doing laundry, cooking ,groceries, etc, etc.
Just shut up all you Hilarys!!
We do not need you to speak for us or condemn us!!
HAVE RESPECT FOR STAY-AT-HOME MOMS!!
Suzie.. you clearly don't understand the argument.. Hillary Rosen was not attacking Ann Romney's abilities as a mother, what she was stating is that Ann Romney, by virtue of being a very wealthy woman, has never had to deal with the financial pressures most of us mothers who live in the real world have to face every day, IN ADDITION to also raising our kids! Many working mothers (ie they have to leave the house and go to a paid job 8-10hrs day) would love to have the LUXURY, yes, LUXURY, of being a stay at home mom, how nice that would be to have the entire day to do all your parenting and household chores, but we don't have Ann's "choices" because we don't have her wealth ( ie her husbands wealth). Hillary Rosen was not attacking Mothers, she was simply stating Ann Romney has no clue what its like to be a mother who besides having to raise her kids, but also must deal with providing for her children. As far as you or your own mother "working hard" to raise your children, be it 7 or 3, we all work hard as parents, that is part of raising children, and really is not the point of the discussion.. also, your mother chose to have 7 children, that was her choice, so I don't have empathy for how "hard" she worked then raising those 7 children.. why would she choose to have 7 kids and then expect kudos for how "hard" it was to raise them? Having kids, and the number of kids we have is a choice; working outside the home in order to bring in money, for most, that is NOT a choice, it is a necessity, it is only a CHOICE for the wealthy, like Ann Romney.. she has no clue what its like to not only raise the kids, but also keep the house in order, AND bring in an income to help pay the bills.
I agree with you Carole.
I agree with both Carole and every other working mother I know. We all would have liked to stay at home and take care of our children, but that was not a reality for me and it's not a reality for my children. I'm sorry Mrs. Romeny can't connect with the working mothers out there, but like her husband she never had to worry if she had enough money to pay the rent, buy groceries and clothe her children, never mind the extras. There is so much more you can do with your children when you stay at home. Its a luxury most, especially with the middle class shrinking, can afford.
Ann has fought two very difficult diseases. Have you ever been diagnosed with a disease? Ann has been fortunate in some aspects of life...and others not so much. We all have different struggles, it is called life. My fellow democrats had better stop judging this woman so harshly because there is nothing to gain from it but anger from the public.
In reply to the person replying to you, I HAVE been faced with cancer and was also a working mother. There were not two incomes. My husband had been abusive to me and my children. Has SHE ever had to work, face cancer, and abusive husband, and leave for her own safety and that of her children? NO . She will NEVER understand.
"Ann has fought two very difficult diseases. Have you ever been diagnosed with a disease"
And she had the best health care that Mitt's fathers money could buy. She might be dead, or bankrupt like the rest of us if she had not married a born millionaire.
To Sally Mae......... Your have a pathetic message...... bet you did nothing but graduate HS (if you did that) and have babies. Many "abusive" husbands have reasons for their frustrations. You should look in the mirror and take assessment of what you've contributed.
I'm sad about that awful life you seem to have had so far.
However, if having faced cancer while being a working mother and having an abusive husband and having to leave for one's safety is the only way someone (let alone a First Lady) can relate to you... Then very little people will understand you.
re: Mrs. Romnehy ....You and CNN are crazy ..... trying to make a mountain out of a molehill ..... I have never heard of anything so ridiculous. And I know you are way too intelligent and already know that. The statement made was in context of something else all together and trying to make this into such a stupid political farce is inane! Mrs. Romney was not accused of not working – but of not working outside the household and dealing with the issues that working women \mothers have to deal with. There was a remark somewhere that the wives should not be included in these political opinions, but I believe that the moment a wife of a political candidate stands up and speaks on behalf of her husband , she opens herself to opinions of others
for someone to assume that a woman's work at "the office" is harder than the work at home raising kids, five of them, that must be the opinion of a woman that has not experienced motherhood. Waiking up, dressing up, going to work, coming home is infinitely more manageable, ragrdless of responsibility, than rasing kids. The office is a constant environment, as are the people around you, the furniture, the windows, the art on the wall, the computer and printer.
Kids have constantly changing needs and have to be looked after at all times, wherever they maybe. I know how hard my mother worked and we were only two good kids. A mother's work is the hardest job there is. Hilary Rosen put no thought into her comment, just as all the others who believe the same.
So are you saying we working moms aren't mothers? GIVE ME A BREAK! I'm a working mom doing 2 jobs. Earning a living and raising my kids. The comment was clearly meant to address Romney's wife as a woman of means who didn't have to worry about money. We know stay at home moms have things to do. Of course, once the kids are in school, many stay at home moms who have financial security also do things like play tennis, go to lunch etc.
Are you kidding me? She may have raised her children without the aide of a nanny but you can bet she had maids, drivers, and cooks. She didn't have to worry about feeding her children at the end of the month, or any other financial issues. Her saying she relates to us is like me saying I can relate to a mother in the African desert.
I have been a single working mom, a married working mom, and mom in college. None of these things make my life anything like someone who doesn't have enough food to eat.
Unquestionably believe that that you said. Your favourite justification seemed to be at the net the simplest thing to have in mind of. I say to you, I definitely get annoyed at the same time as other people consider concerns that they just do not realize about. You managed to hit the nail upon the top and defined out the whole thing with no need side-effects , other people can take a signal. Will probably be again to get more. Thanks
Hilary Rosen's comment had nothing to do with whether Mrs. Romney did a lot of work at home. It was totally about the fact that she had no exposure to the economic difficulties that the average woman and mother faces every day.
I totally agree with you. Anyone with a bit of sense would know that what Hilary meant was that women who do not work outside home do not have the same concerns as to how much you are paid, pay increases and how to feed the family the next year if the job is terminated. No one disagrees working at home, looking after the children, nursing,changing diapers is easy work, so Mitt , a capable former governor, should not bring in the wife and now the son to stir the pot more murky.
Of course mothers in the home care about that. They and their children are completely financially dependent on one income. What happens if that income is lost? Due to that one income situation, stay at home moms probably have a greater concern in that area than a family that has two incomes for their living, since it is not likely that both would lose their jobs simultaneously.
The problem with your arguement is yor're assuming that because she didn't have a job that she can't talk to women who do. Just because someone has money doesnt mean they can't uderstand peoples struggles. To bad Obama can't run on his record he has to find a social disconnect and make up false wars and divide the people. Had he done a good job he would run on that and win, he didn't so his plan is to divide and conqure..
Hilary Rosen's comments were definetly taken out of context. Parent/s who are stay-at-home parent/s do work in the home, which everyone parent MUST do, it is a given. But Hilary meant that Mrs Romney did not ever have the added burden of having to put food on the table by needing to work outside of the home and inside of the home. I do believe that every working mom knows exactly what Hilary Rosen meant when she said what she said. I bet millions of women would rather be in Mrs Romney's shoes anyday if she considers bringing up children her only 'work'. Being economically self-sufficient is an added burden to a Mum and in most cases do not have any choice other then to go out to 'WORK' – contary to what Mrs Romney said....obviously a real dis-connect for Mrs Romney.
Every woman who has a child are working. However not every woman has the the choice of not working outside the home like Mrs.Romney. I wonder if she did not marry a wealthy husband, she still chose to stay home. How is she going to feed those five boys and sent all of them to ivy school ? If the Romneys make this a political issue, you are insulting our intelligent. Here we are talking about Republican's policy towards woman. Get real !!!! She said she did not feel rich. How out of touch she is with average american.
Most rich people don't feel rich.
So, is that their validation for wanting "more"?
Anyne who is worth several hundred million dollars and does not "feel rich" is either too syupid or too out of touch to be anywhere near the white house.
Mrs. Romney did not marry a wealthy man. She helped to put him through college and they had debt as do most that go to college and further their education. Unlike most on this forum who spout off about things that they are uneducated about. Mrs. Romney stayed married to her husband throught the thick and thin times helping to raise their 5 boys. Unlike most marriages that fail and the women has to do both raise children and work a paying job. Dont dis those that work hard and prosper, figure it out for yourself. Peace
She did not put him through college, he sold stocks that paid for his college tuition and for their cost of living. They never had to work to put themselves through school. They both came from very very well to do families. She never had the worries of an average struggling mother.
Yes, but didn't Ann's grandfather work as a coal miner! That really makes me connect with her even more. LOLZ. If I hear one more stupid "my grand daddy worked as a coal miner story" I think I might throw up. I don't care about your grand daddy working as a coal miner!
All I hear is a bunch of people that are jealous of their money! My mother would have stayed at home if she could have afforded it. I think being a stay at home mom is just as hard as working a job, I know alot of women that do it. Also Do you think Mrs. Obummer has ever worked a real job either, she has had some so called jobs but has never had to worry about the economy! So stop pointing fingers one way and not the other. I think until we get someone (ANYONE) that has had a real job in the white house this country is screwed!
They had stock that his father gave him for his birthday that was sold to pay for tuition and an apartment with a concrete floor. She took carpet remnants and glued them together so they had a little more comfort. They had no car or tv. They were definitely living in the lap of luxury! George Romney had worked his way up and wanted his son to learn the same lessons by doing the same.
Hey D$, Mit Romneys father was not only Pres. of American Motors for 8 years but he was also Gov. of Michigan for 6years, head of the Dept.of Housing and Urban Development for 4 years, was a Presidential candidate in 1968 and was appointed to numerous government "giveaway jobs" because of his allegiance to the Republican party. Your statement that she did not marry a wealthy man may have some truth but the fact is she married a wealthy family. Another Republican spin on the real facts.
What college? They are both children of priviledge, what collge?
You are clearly disillusion if you think they struggled like "average" Americans. He worked for his dad right our of college and I am sure his dad helped him while he was in college. You know what's really hard? Working on a marriage that involves four deployments, several moves, and raising a child with Autism.
You should have married smarter and waited to have a kid!
This is the comment that is offensive "didn't take the easy way out by hiring someone to take care of him and his brothers growing up." As a Mom I HAD to work, easy way? Wotking sometimes10 hours a day coming home and trying to spend quality time with my children. Get them to bed and then clean the house, do laundry and a ton of other things. Is that really the easy way out???
I believe he was trying to say, she could have taken the easy way out by getting a nanny, not that getting a job is the easy way out of mothering.
I am a single father with 2 wonderful sons whose mother choose to "bail" when my youngest was 3 months old. The trials and tribulations were overwhelming at times and being the "breadwinner" I had no choice but to go to work everyday. I learned a whole new respect for women, especially single women who have "NO CHOICE" but to go to work everyday and leave their kids at daycare, sometimes with total strangers. I stand behind Ms. Rosen 150% on her comments and she should NOT have had to apologize to Rummies wife. As far as the interview with Josh Romney, can we say from his comments that she was not around much? My two still have the sibling rivalry(26 and 24 yrs.)and with five it must have been something but the only doctor or hospital runs were for legitimate ailments, not the result of fights.
Mom or Dads who work have to put bread on the table. The fact that Ann to earning a job or seeing the difficulties finding a job and being a mom at the same time is what I heard. Mrs. Romney good for you...... you took care of your kids, great your husband is rich and even greater you did have this choice of working out of your home with maids and nannies, how very lovely. Most women don't have this choice. How many months do DR, Nurses and others get off from work after having a baby ? Little less the 11 weeks. How many moms have to get back to work after having there babies 2 weeks. Google how many months mom's get of in Canada and Europe?
Economic difficulties is the issue here and Rosen shouldn't have apologized; but I understand why she did. Mrs Romney has no idea what it means to be a stay at home mom and have economic difficulties, none. And let's be honest, each one of those five sons of hers probably had their own maid and nanny. So really, how difficult could it have been for Mrs. Romney. Someone needs to call her on that the next time she states it was difficult raising a family.
Romney said he will allow religion freedom, well that means we will start having multiple marriages and 14years old girls marrying, if he his ever allow to rule this nation. USA is a Christian Country and we will remain Christians, wether white or black we are Christians. And there is enough Christians to make a difference.
That is quite the ignorant comment. You should probably understand Romney's beliefs before commenting on them.
He doesn't believe or practice those beliefs
What makes you the authority on what he does or doesn't believe? How dare you be so presumptuous!?
It is my understanding that Mormons DO categorize themselves as Christians...NOT Protestants or Catholics, but Christians, in general. They are a young group which came into being in the 1800's. They WERE run out of places in their early years because of the practice of polygamy ( having multiple spouses at the same time...as a means of eternal salvation...their term, I believe, had to do with "celestial marriage"). It is noteworthy that this practice was NEVER accepted by a majority of members...only around 3%, at most. I am sorry I cannot remember where I read that Mitt Romney's grandfather or maybe great-grandfather was the one identified with multiple wives...NOT Mitt Romney or his father. Apparently the Romney's are very nice people. Even the magazine, Vanity Fair's, February issue on "Mitt Romney's Dark Side" recounts a few nasty stories of him in his role as church leader...like trying to force a young woman who had been his and Ann's baby sitter to give up her child for adoption after she had the child out of wedlock without real means to support the child financially....but really now, the man was acting STRICTLY ON THE POLICY OF HIS CHURCH...and the Romney's like the rest of us, are, after all, JUST HUMAN...and therefore subject to shortcomings.
There are some women on the welfare rolls that have never worked a day in their life either. Planning is an essential part in stay at home mothering. Even the best trained household staff can't do it all. Let's not also forget that she was first lady of MA and that comes with a lot of responsibility and overseeing staff–which takes skill. Both Ann and Mitt have held LDS church positions that require staying within budget, working with members from all walks of life, ethnicity and bank accounts. As a Bishop Mitt was responsible for maintaining and dispensing food and other benefits to families in need. He heard and responded to those affected by the economy–he DOES get it–as does Ann. She talks with real people who are currently affected by the economy and she listens, and reports what she hears. A lot of their experience makes them better suited for the job than some are willing to give them credit for.
So, you're Mormon? Mitt Romney was the bishop in a rich ward. I am sure there weren't a lot of hand outs involved. I think Mormons are confusing their desire to have a member in office with hiring someone that relates to the average Americans. I really wish he "got it", but he doesn't. I would never vote for him for that very reason.
Oh...... real smart. Obama relates to the average American? I think not........ Kennedy related to the average American?
I think not.........
This isn't so much a comment on the particular story here but just the slant I feel coming from one side of the aisle to the other. I'm not going to comment on this issue since I didn't hear the entire conversation on CNN thus making any allegations of mine short sighted. However, I do believe there is certainly an uneven playing field here when it comes to "offensive" remarks. It doesn't help that most of the major media outlets fail to see remarks like this on both sides of the political spectrum objectively. Again, I'm not well versed in this particular case but I would assume Rosen meant Mrs. Romney never held a paying job. Had she meant "working" any other way I would think all stay-at-home moms would find that offensive as it should be.
Just to get back to my point though, I find it ridiculous that Republicans seemingly have to tip-toe around everything they say otherwise the media bandwagon and their quick-reacting audience would ostracize them by calling them bigots, elitists, racists, rednecks you name it.
Before many of you feel compelled to pounce on my stance, though I side with conservative and Republican values, I don't side at all with the party. These days I fail to see any party truly fighting for the average American anymore no matter how loud their voice. I am also much more socially liberal and take a hands-off approach to government leaning towards Libertarianism. So that's my political background. No puppetry around here, just attempting to take a more logical and practical look towards politics.
Mitt knows he has a gender problem and is using this non- "issue" to try to gain advantage, women are not that gullible. What Hilary Rosen meant was that Mrs. Romney has never punched a time clock in her life. She went from her father's well to do household to her husband's. She never had to sit at a kitchen table and decide which bill wasn't going to be paid because the money was needed for medical for a child. She's never sat across from a boss who resembles her husband with his executive styled hair and been told her services are no longer required. Ann reporting back to Mitt what the average woman wants is laughable, 40 million in income a year and she doesn't feel rich. Instead Mitt, how about telling up how you feel about a woman being able to receive equal pay as a man for the same work, speak out when ligislation is signed by your party's Governors to punish women by forcing women to obtain invasive procedures for medical services they don't want. Until then Mitt & Ann save you phony outrage.
Agreed. Her comment about her wealth "it could be here nor there." The "nor there" part will never happen to her and she knows it. It's laughable.
Part-time psychiatrist? That's interesting. So, Ann is admimistering psychiatric drugs to her family? And then a Ring Leader she is apparently. Interesting.
Please! Some of you people's comments are so stupid. Just tell the truth many of you don't like the Romney's because they are rich and you are envious of them. Like the politicians in this country on both sides aren't rich. Romney understands the economy a whole lot better than our current President. If the only way this President can win re-election is to divide this country then I feel sorry for all of us.
Romney understands HIS economy, that's for sure. You are mistaken that he really understands the economy as a whole and the floundering middle class. Romney is not making much sense when it comes to how he will rebuild the middle class. I'm waiting.
Why does it always come done to jealousies? I am not jealous of Mitt and Ann. I wish they "got it" and understood have hard things are for working America. We are upper middle class and I have no idea what it's like to be a member of the working poor. I would never attempt to tell them that I understood how they feel.
My mother was a single working mother raising myself and my brother on her income solely alone. It is no doubt in my mind that Ann Romney is a great mom. But Ann is completely out of touch with middle American women that must wake up each day and clock in at a job, then pick up their kids after work and go to sleep at night stressing about which bills she can shuffle around in order to make ends meet. Ann seems to think that she has the hardest job in the world. Ann has the luxury unlike any single mother or working woman I know. It would be nice if she could just admit the fact that she is lucky and knows she has it like no other. Even if she did that, that would someone make her seem humble. But I don't think she really gets it. I'm curious as to how Ann as first lady can really make average women and working moms feel like they connect with Ann. I don't see it.
Part- time psychiatrist, ring leader and not understanding what Hilary really meant,... ........first lady..., hmm, I am just thinking.
Women are that gullible . . . . they fell for this Stuttering Fuster Cluck of a Miserable Failure President the first time and look like they are going to do it again!
liberal pieces of GARBAGE...
Very insightful comment.
The point of Ms. Rosen's comment is that she clearly didn't think that Ann Romney was qualified to comment on how the poor economy was affecting the lives of women, because she wasn't in the workforce earning a paycheck. That is absolute garbage - women who work at home certainly understand the economic impact of rising gas and grocery prices, and how much it takes out of the paycheck her husband brings home. Just because a woman has a wealthy husband doesn't mean she can't see how the poor economy is hurting her own family, neighbors, extended family, and people in the community. News flash - Having money doesn't make you out of touch (which is what the leftist liberals would have you believe), doggedly holding to a failed ideology and disregarding reality makes you out of touch. More taxes won't help the economy turn around, they will do the exact opposite, and Obama himself said that a couple of years ago. But now he wants to incite class warfare by ganging up on the rich and in effect saying, "it's your fault that the economy is down, you rich people just aren't doing enough". Socialist regimes fail, socialist govts fail, and socialist-leaning policies like increased wealth distribution are guaranteed to fail. Maggie Thatcher was right - "The only problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money."
Careful, you're making too much sense.
first off, who cares, prez obama has done a lousy job.ann Romney never sent her kids on a lavish trip to mexico payed for by the tax payers money like michelle and barak did. All you are hatersfir the sheer fact that you love obama. my mother was a stay at home mom and trust me she was a miad, a taxi driver, a soccer mom, a doctor and million other occupations taking care of us while my father worked. I wouldnt even call Rosen's job a real one bc all she does is pollute the airwaves with her grabage comments
The Romney's have NEVER asked for an apology. Why does everyone keep implying they did? She apologied, well kind of apologized, all on her own. Stop acting like the Romney's are offended by that comment. They have never implied that they were. They admit she has never worked outside the home but she did the best for the situation she was in. Should she have left her five and gone to work and earned MORE money for you all to complain about? She didn't have to work, heck she didn't even have to raise her own kids, but she did. So lay off her.
I have no doubt that raising your children can be a difficult job (yes, it is a job) but many women who have children do not have that choice. My mother didn't. She wanted to stay at home to raise my sister and me but it would not have been financially possible. If my dad was making the kind of money Ann's husband was making there is no doubt my mother would have made the choice to stay at home. I'm also sure that Ann did have help with things like cleaning and cooking – things that most stay-at-home mothers do not have. So I can't quite believe that Ann Romney truly understands what other stay-at-home mothers go through or has any deep understanding of how working mothers are affected by the economy.
Spin this any way you want to. The fact is the tide is slowly starting to turn in favor of Mitt Romney and the left is going to become increasingly desperate in their attacks on his wealth, family, religion etc. President Obama and his dismal record don't stand a chance in Nov. Americans won't be fooled again.
Didn't W fool us twice?
W never played grab-a$$ with Russia & China.
liberal pieces of GARBAGE... nothing better to say.
The Romney's appear very out of touch with less fortunate people. However, some other very wealthy people (the Kennedy's, Princess Diana and her sons, Oprah Winfrey) to name a few seem to embrace the plight of the poor and work tirelessly to allleviate their suffering. Parading his wife in front of the electorate to improve his poll numbers among women isn't a winning strategy. Women are smarter than that Mr. Romney...
Well said. The Republicans will eventually lose this argument, just as they will lose the election.
Rosen's apology was forced upon her and she was arrogant in her delivery; instead of simply saying, "Wow, I goofed", she tried to justify it with further snide remarks to cover up her true intent.
The children of working mothers are being brought up by caretakers who probably spend more time with their children then they do. Yes, it is a necessity to be done by so many, but they couldn't do it alone and they don't.. Give credit where it is due. They can't work unless someone else is taking responability for their childrens' needs from A-Z whether paid or unpaid such as grandparents. It is the caretaker, the day care center, the grandparents, babysitters, and yes, neighbors or friends who are stay at home Moms who chauffer their children during the day and after hours to attend sports or other activities, take them to dental and medical appointments, etc. I know as I was one of the stay at home Moms who had no problem with picking up neighbor's children to stay at my house until they could be picked up since I was picking up my own anyway. The list of what others do to make it possible for working mothers is endless. For the career woman making beyond their needs money, in order to justify turning the responsibility of their children over to others, the term "quality time" was conjured up. Who is taking care of a career woman's children when theiy work overtime, attend endless meetings, travel away from home and their children, etc. if there is no stay at home spouse? It is the unnamed others that are not given credit for briinging up their children. Rosen needs to, has to have another, or others, that she absolutely depends upon to bring up her children while she pursues her career, which she does not acknowledge. She would rather pretend she is doing it all by herself. A deplorablly dishonest and arrogant person.
Ever the loyal son, what would one expect?
I'm a working mother, not because I choose to be away from my children but because I have to provide for my family. I've read all the posts and I have to say that Rosen took a cheap shot and it backfired. After reading countless articles and watching news stories on this issue I believe that Rosen's purpose may have been one thing but what came out of her mouth was a different story.
Yes, Ann Romney did comment in her defense but only after the White House and the DNC distanced themselves from Rosen as fast as they could. Let's not forget that the Romneys have never asked for and apology. I think Ann is a great woman who raised 5 great sons and I only hope I can do that with what I have to work with. She isn't less of a person because she has money and doesn't leave the house everyday anymore than I'm less of a mother for having to do it. She made the right choice for her family.
Quite frankly I would rather live the life I've been dealt than have to deal with 5 boys, MS, breast cancer and who knows what else. She's smart, brave and strong and just because she has money doesn't mean she doesn't understand the length and the love a parent will go through to keep their children safe and happy.
For God's sake.................This is not about mothers; stay at home, working or otherwise!!! It's NOT about Hilary whoever she is, bashing mothers!!!! It's about the fact that MR used his wife as an expert on women and the economy. And HR's response was just meant to emphasize the fact that Ms. Romney is NOT qualified to speak for the working woman. She's never sweated out a paycheck, wondering if she has enough money to provide for her family until the next check arrives.
If people are offended it's because they WANT to be offended. This world has turned into a society of offend and be offended and it NEVER ENDS. Do something positive with yourselves...............Go be a mother, work your jobs, show interest in your children, visit a sick friend, go visit a lonely person in a nursing home, go to church, read a book, go volunteer for something positive. Do something constructive with your miserable lives. Try looking outward......have compassion for other people for a change and less on how YOU ARE OFFENDED!!
In other words,.....GET A LIFE! because focusing on how other people words make you offended is NOT LIVING.
Mrs Romney IS qualified to tell her husband what she's hearing from men and women on the campaign trail. I'm sure that many of those women have to work and are sharing their stories with her. I love the fact that MR listens to his wife and takes her input seriously. She is obviously respected and loved by her husband. I'm not sure why people...especially women who have been fighting for years to have their voices heard... have a problem with that.
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I was deeply offended when you said you would never trade your provider job for your spouse's homemaker job. Every breadwinner husband needs to switch sides and become a househusband. Why? Because it's extremely unfair for the husband to make all the money in the family. I hope that someday, your spouse becomes the career-oriented breadiwnner and you become a full-time, stay-at-home father.
All the Romney boys need to become full-time, stay-at-home fathers. They need to do most of the housework and childcare and devote their lives to advancing their spouses' careers.
When the husband makes most of the money in the family, he has most of the power. And that is very, very wrong.
Josh Romney needs to apologize to breadwinner mothers. When he said that his mother chose to take care of him, he implied that wage-earningr mothers don't take care of their children. Nonsense!
The problem is that most fathers just help out or slack off. They don't take equal responsibility for housework and childcare. Most fathers, including Mitt Romney, are guilty of domestic exploitation. Even Anne Romney said that he was her sixth son. And Barack Obama wasn't any better.
Why is everyone supposing that because Ann has not had to "worry" about money that she is somehow ignorant to the world around her? Did she grow up in a bubble? Has she never known another woman in her life that has struggled with making ends meet? I lot of things I've learned in my life has come from my many friendships and extended family that have gone through good and bad times. I don't have to experience every one of their misfortunes or trials to learn something from them and have compassion.
Besides, I've experienced both sides, starving college student, working full-time in a career, and later choosing to stay home once I had kids. Trust me, the full-time career was a lot easier than it is to be working at home raising children to become responsible people of integrity and future contributors to society. Just because my husband is the one working right now does not mean I don't "worry" about him losing his job or something happening to him. I actually worried about money a lot less when I was the one working and he was home....just saying, just because you're not in the workforce doesn't mean you're blind to the world of economics.
You may have understood the economics of an average home, but do you really think Ann Romney ever did? Do you really think she EVER went to the gorcery store, or ever actually wrote a check to pay utiliites, the mortgage payment, the medical bills, etc. How would it be possible for this woman and her husband to ever understand the average American home?
Come on, Terry, do you honestly believe that because they have money now (aren't they in their 50s or 60s) that back when she was in her 20s going to college living in a basement apartment that she had people go to the grocery store for her??? You're being rediculous. They have worked hard for many years to get where they are now. You can't assume that every single day of her life she's been sitting around having servants fill her every whim. Like I said, rediculous.
Ok, she may have gone to the grocery store a FEW times 35 years ago. That "basement apartment" 35 yers ago was just the first floor of a mansion. These people have been filthy rich since the day they were born and surely you don't think they worked for it !
Oh Palleeeeaaaaasse. Stop with the bitter nonsence.
You're probably one of the idiots that voted for Obama. DO you think Obama relates to the average American. Both he and his wife don't even like the average American. I'll let you think about THAT one for awhile. You just might get it.
Hey, Josh, when are you and your brothers going to man up and join the military and serve your country?
Or will you take a vacation in France like your daddy did?
Well, he actually took FOUR of those vacations to avoid the draft.
This is the first time I have read comments on CNN.....WOW, such hateful comments. The Obama's have a great family and so do the Romneys. Obama has made up to a couple of million a year, Romney several million a year. Get a grip everyone. They are both very rich. I will not vote for Obama because I don't agree with his philosophy and I truly believe he has failed to lead this country, however, I will not denigrate his family or him.
She should have JUST said that Mrs.Romney is not really compatible with connecting to lower-class working moms and leave it at that. YET SHE DIDN'T!!!! she said " She never worked a day in her life," implying that what ever she did at home, whether it was raising kids or doing other various political activities is NOT CONSIDERED WORK.
Why are liberal women such haters?
Isn't a good Mom who loves and cares for her kids the ONLY thing that's important in this story? Oh I get it, much better to shlep em off to Daycare.. right???
Ann Romney owned the daycares that were in each of her many homes.
Smart comment (the only one on here) I agree.
Our nation is becoming psychologically unfit to raise children, as seen in these comments, because many parents would rather be respected and understood for their work outside the home than for the work therein. I hope that my children will one day talk about me like Josh talks about his mother.
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Obama has done great job as the president , after all he walked into a mess created by the Republicans and is cleaning it up
when Romney and the rest of the Republican wanted to see auto industry just fall apart Obama saved them and millions of
jobs , as well as the tens of thousands of jobs being created by the auto industry success . Obama cares about all the people in America not just the very rich. There are lots jobs being created everyday and the economy is getting better and everyone knows it they just do not want to give him credit for anything he has done right for this country.He brought
the troops home from Iroc , he killed Ben Led den instead of just chilling with like the others ones we know. The bottom line is that people just can't remember the terrible 8 years under the Bush , but you for sure will if it should return.
We have better appreciate Obama while we have him , because we definitely do not deserved him.
Oh Yes, Ann Romney worked VERY hard when she had to stumble out of bed into the hallway and scream for the governess when her kids woke up crying in the night.
This is absolutely assinine. Focus on the way it was said so you don't have acknowledge the point. Who will we hear from next? The one eyed dog with a limp? Bravo MittBot.
Just another white eye for Obama
All moms work but if we are honest with ourselves, we know what Ms Rosen was saying- stay at home moms generally do not feel as financially pressured like MOST, but not all, working moms do- if they did they would go work outside the home. Most working moms do not NOT have a CHOICE- they have to work outside the home to keep their families solvent. When moms work outside the home, they have double shifts- most women who work outside the home still assume the most housekeeping and child care responsibilities of the family. We don't want to condemn stay at home moms but the reality is that their lives are generally easier and less stressful-
This is the problem with USA. Someone is jealous of what another has and has to degrade it. Additionally, too many people believe both family member HAVE to work so they can have all their toys....result kids suffer from lack of parental guidance. My wife CHOOSE to stay home for the benifit of the kids and family. We have sacrificed many TOYS to raise a family right. I think if Mrs Romney has the ability to stay at home what does it matter if she has ever had to deal with hardships? So is intelligence based on holding a job?
I agree with what you stated but would add that Ann had struggles to deal with, money just wan't one. I would also add that this pretend anger that people are expressing against Ann is politically motivated. It is sad that some people choose politics over family.
How many nannies do you think she had? House Manager or two, chef, assistant.......
Ann has fought two very difficult diseases. How many people posting here has ever been diagnosed with a disease? Ann has been fortunate in some aspects of life...and others not so much. We all have different struggles, it is called life. My fellow democrats had better stop judging this woman so harshly because there is nothing to gain from it but anger from the public.
I'm sure she got the best medical care and support money could by, or insurance, probably both.
So using your logic, if someone has money and can afford the best medial care getting a disease is OK...but GOD forbid for this woman to think she is a mother that can relate to motherhood.
After-all, isn't that what a good Mormon wife does. Stay home? Oh... that's the second and third wives that stay home, forth...? Nanny, you can call them whatever you want.
Money does not make a woman more or less of a mother. You people who keep challenging Ann's ability to relate to motherhood are morons. Just like all of us has her struggles to deal with...money just doesn't happen to be one of them.
If Anne were a Kennedy, she would have been given the Noble Prize by now.
Well, at least Ann will help Mittens get the unemployed, gold-digging women demographic :)
Mrs. Romney said (paraphrasing) yesterday: a mom is only as happy as her unhappiest child....Well...what about the 99%
who is watching their children reach adulthood without $100 million in the bank; no health insurance; no jobs and no way to provide for their future families.....Mrs. Romney and her family "got their pot of gold"....legal means but helped destroy the future of the 99%......If her son is defending her.....I want to see HIS TAX RETURNS....I don't believe his $ comes from "hard work"
I feel that most of you are missing the point. If only a poor, uneducated, person who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps can be president, then we are in trouble. I don't really think I would want that person as president. I do not have to be an alcoholic to understand that my sister who was an alcoholic hurt inside, felt less than perfect. I do not have to have cancer to know that those who do are scared, like my entire family who has died from it, they are hurting emotionally and physically. Get off the kick that "They" are out of touch. And yes, Romneys father did send him out into the world with only $300.00 a month, only allowed him to call home on mothers day and christmas. That money paid for rent, food, clothing, and yes, the phone call home. There was no extra hand out for him. How many of you have tried that. Seems to me a man who stands by his wife during cancer and multiple scl. and states that she is the best thing that ever happened to him and is successful should have a chance at the presidency. I am thinking that Oh, Bill Clinton, who cheated on his wife in the White House–didn't see you attacking him at the time.
B-blah B-blaB-B-blah She has never "worked" a day in her life and if you think she has you have been at the koolaide again.
To go out on 300 a day is easy when you know there is millions at the end of the phone.
Sooo-would you all feel better if the Republican candidate for president were a total failure, scrounging for his family's next meal-just so he can relate to you? I'm sure HE would be a wonderful president with all the knowledge, skills, and life experience to totally turn this economy (and country) around and make life easier for all of you!!! Get real!!! Any idiot can figure out that if a person is having a hard time accomplishing something-they look around for advice from someone who has been successful at accomplishing the same thing-they don't look around for someone who can't accomplish the same thing either! How DUMB would that be? Sheesh!
Who cares. After the November election, she'll be remembered as well as George McGovern's wife.
So Wendles, Success is bad? We want a non-successful person who is mediocre successful in the White House? And Lori, Attack hie religion? How 08 is that, your a little behid like 4 years.
Success is admirable...think Steve Jobs...BIll Gates....I am "successful" /Medical professional healing people not steal taking their jobs away.....what is not admirable is
Crony Capitalism.....maximizing profits for a few at the detriment of the country...think the War in Iraq...Cheney and friends made trillions conning the American people....some gave their lives and most of us have been saddled with the debt.....
yes THE DEBT...showed up when Obama became President....the war costs somehow were "off the books" during the Bush Administration.......
All women who have children are mothers, it depends how hard you have to work to keep it together is s whole nother thing
Why is it that Republicans have to apologize for being rich / privileged?
Did anyone ever think the Kennedy family should apologize for their wealth and privilege?
And the Obamas aren't exactly poor.
I read that Mitt Romney gave his inheritance away; if this is true, the young couple did experience financial
restraints when raising their children.
Republicans need to apologize for not paying enough attention to the less priviledged. They should be working for social equality.
"social equality" is a crock – it's another word for communism/socialism. Social equality means standing in a line 3 miles long waiting to buy the one style of shoes sold, social equality means you own nothing and the state owns everything, social equality means no incentive to work and take care of yourself. I have no problem helping those who truely need it, but screw your social equality. By the way, I stand to benefit from it most since I make less than $40k a year. I'll earn what I have, thanks.
Being a stay at home parent (mom OR dad!) is a lot of work. But I suspect it was a lot less work for Ann than for say my grandmother (a farm wife) with her 13 kids and her husband dying young while some were still at home. Does anyone really think that Ann cleans the toilets in her mansions? Washes the windows? Sweeps and mops? Does the laundry? She might not even cook!
There are two types of families: those who WANT to have macaroni and cheese as a treat for dinner and those who have no CHOICE and mac and cheese is a staple of their diet. In my experience, Ann Romney does work outside the home. She is a Mormon and all members of that faith are expected to volunteer their time...in my view, an excessive expectation ...even if they hold full time jobs, have family demands (the Mormons I know all have large families...anywhere from six to 11 kids.) Their husbands can't contribute to the household upkeep because their jobs are more important, plus they also have duties to the church, such as ward teachers. It's a lifestyle choice they've made and are lucky enough to have the resources to live that life. My income when my first son was born was $800 a month. I can't relate to the Romny's. Bet most American's can't either.
The fact is that moms stay at home and work raising their children, or they drop off the kids at daycare and go do a different kind of work. Some women have the choice of working outside or at home some dont but all are working in some form or another. Many rich women hire nannies to take care of the kids, but Ann did not, she did it herself. Good for her.
This is a women's rights issue. USA does not offer subsidized child cate or equal pay for the same job a man does. We are backwards here and falling apart. Most moms under 30 are now not married. The mythical nuclear family is a failure so now what? Who do we look up to? I'm a working mom who go laid off from B of A due to the financial meltdown. I feel like women are hated for trying to do the right thing here and raise decent families. Men are digressing fast because us women are not able to manage themselves or their relationships. So do we go back to the 1950's model and try again? I guess I have to find the lord and submit to men in order to not let my child starve
Finally Republicans and I can agree on something. I have always argue that people who collect food stamps should stay at home taking care of their children because that is HARD WORK!!! Taking care of your family must be a priority. I don't know why some people want those who have Government assistance to find a job, after all, many of them are mothers who are raising their children. I also think that those mothers who collect unemployment benefits should not have to work or look for a job, because as many of my Republicans friends have said, raising children at home is Hard Work. I
The Romeys are twisting words for politacal gain; no question about it. Wealth and privilege played a huge role in Ann Romney's life disqualifying her from claiming the same status as a working women who holds down a job and raises a family. Ann has never approached the type of struggle a working mother has to face in having the commitment of a job and a family to take care f after work.
Her biggest stress would be where to get her hair and nails done, shopping for Louis Vitton handbags and searching for the shushing plastic surgeon.
Not even close to the stress of a working mom.
I admired Mrs.Romney for rasing her children and for her illness.
She has money and has a wonderful husband that is her LUCK!
If you do not have that kind of luck, SORRYYYYY!!!!!
luck? Yes to marry a "con" man....who made millions at the expense of others.....If she can live with her conscience intact she is in DENIAL
Mrs. Romney is priviledged and that is fine. What isn't fine is that all women should have the right to stay at home and bring up their children in a relatively stress free environment.
I looked up Josh Romney's bio. He is clearly intelligent and able to produce quality arguments. Yet, he didn't (AFAIK).
If he truly wanted to defend his mother, why didn't he use all of his intelligence and education and actually produce a quality piece? (Perhaps there's a good reason. Perhaps he could share his good reason.)
Ann stayed home, because she could. Being a mom is hard work. But it's a lot less hard when you have no economic worries. It's less hard when you can go anywhere and do anything that you want, and have your kids cared for by someone else if needed.
Ann and her kids have no idea what it means to be a working mom. Josh has no idea what most moms have to do to care for their kids. Their experience doesn't translate to 99.5% of the population. How can they think they understand and relate, and how on earth do they dare get indignant when they're called out for being what they are: ultra rich. Hilary Rosen should not have apologized. She should have kept going.
When my husband and I got married back in 1985 he was making 6.00 dollars an hour.we had our first child and lived within our means so I could stay home with him..Every chance my husband got he tried to better himself and his salary..but know mater what I always stayed home with my kids...Now 27 years of marriage and 7 kids later my husband makes about 100,000 a year we went from a trailer to a 3000 square foot house from no cars to 4 ..My kids are above average in school ..athlectic..college educated ..and have managed to stay off drugs .and go to church on Sundays..Their not perfect..but I haven't had any problems from them..Stay at home moms are VERY VERY important and hard working husband are the best..if we can do it anybody can..
Nice article....... advice to your husband – don't get divorced. Husbands with "stay at home mom's" get f'd when divorce occurs and the husband pays a severe price. The divorce "system" screws the husband by making him support the non working mom the rest of her lazy life. Best scenario – have a wife that is with the kids alot but still has career ambitions and can earn a wage once the kids are gone.
I don't think she or her husband are too concerned about divorce. Sounds like it's part of your past or future though.
JFK57, there are at least 50 distinct "divorce systems" because we have 50 states. I'm confident DC has a 51st. Puerto Rico likely has a 52nd. I don't know about Guam, etc. but there may be even more.
Which divorce system are you talking about?
I'm not really sure if what was said about Mrs Romney was entirely incorrect. Fact is that she has been married to a rich guy her entire married life and has been mooching off him ever since. I am sure the servants and nanny's would utterly agree that she hasn't worked a day in her life.
I am a stay at home mom with 2 children both really young not even in school yet. I have never once had a baby sitter I take care of them 24/7 I am not rich but to me and my husband me working just to get enough money for it all to go to baby sitters and day cares is not worth it. I do know how it feels My mom was a single mother with 3 kids by 21 we suffer alot and most of all we never had her around I started working at 15 even i would pretend to be sick to get more hours in but most of all i wished i would of had someone there to help me when i was being bullied and didnt understand my homework. so i do know how it feels to not have money to pay the electric and get the power turn off in mid dec living in the mountains with snow storms or not having running water. But thanks to God my life is much better because instead of me feeling sorry i worked my butt of so my children wont have to ever feel what i did.
How dare Mrs Romney or her "son" try and compare her "working" to the woman who raises her family, works outside the home to help survive, cares for her elderly, serves her husband, suffers ill health, and never gives up trying. NEVER having outside help even a couple times a week, is a loving, caring, gentle person. Mrs. Romney's son made an ass out of himself showing how spoiled and uninformed of the average life of a woman and of a family. Don't even go there Romney!. Democrat or whoever, they are right, Mrs, Romney doesn't know what work is, neither does Mr. Romney or their 5 sons. Whatever 'work" they think they do doesn't even meet the discription and is all for show!!!
I totally agree!!
It is too bad there hasn't been more coverage of the important business and speeches that have been going on in Columbia. At a time when increasing trade and relations with many other countries could benefit the economy, it is really annoying that the media has decided that the secret service indiscretions have "overshadowed" the conference. Not with me. Those stupid guys were really dumb but it happened before the President even got there, it caused no security problem, they have been sent home, hopefully will be fired, story done. It is the media that has overshadowed the real importance of the conference with their TMZ type coverage. Everyone should be more interested in how this conference could possibly have positive trade and political results. I guess that requires too much thinking. Also, the whole Ann Romney "stay at home mommy" issue was totally exaggerated and cherry picked. Ms. Rosen never criticized stay at home moms, in fact she was standing up for them. However, this has shed the spotlight on Mrs. Romney with all ofthe Republican "outrage" and millions of middle class stay at home, working and single moms may start to see how totally opposite she is from them. Staying at home is pretty different when your husband is a multi-millionaire and you have all the perks from the moms who are stretching budgets and worrying about paying for needed braces for kids teeth. Again, the media played it for all it was worth, fuelled the fires and gave it way too much coverage. It may in fact have backfired on the Republicans just like the contraception issue did. Cover the news please.
Romney's mistake was saying she had a "choice." She had the "luxury" of staying at home.
Most mothers in America don't have a "choice." I didn't have a "choice." I HAD to be a working mom. I would have LOVED to have had a "CHOICE." Rosen just said what a lot us middle and lower class wanted to say. Rosen, don't apologize for being realistic. Romney, most of us moms do what you did AND work outside of the home because we are not rich like you, and we HAVE to! It is not a "CHOICE" for us! Only the rich get to "CHOOSE!!" The rest of us have to do both!! Romney's son-you have NO IDEA!! Most of the moms in america do what your mom did AND work-like I do-now that is hard work!! You are a rich boy you have no idea how most of America really lives! Maybe your mom could teach you that since she is home with you a lot.
I'd really like to know how many people the millionaire's wife had to help her "work" at home. Cleaning people? Nanny's? Gardeners? Laundry service? Limo service?
Great question!! I don't have any of those! I am sure she had a lot of help!
Keven - you will never get an honest answer to that. However, Mitt himself told us "I'm running for President, I can't have illegals working for me". (About the time it was found illegals WERE working for him). I'm sure the true numbers will be hidden by his family, friends, supporters.
There is nothing wrong with a woman being to afford to stay home and rear children. Mrs. Romney is extremely fortunate and priviledged. There's nothing wrong with that either. What's wrong is that too many women are struggling to keep food on the table while trying to rear their children. That's where the issues should be addressed.
This article is idiotic. Most of the comments from the bitter, over-weight women are nauseating. This woman, and her husband have accomplished alot. Far more than many in the "comments" section who are bashing her. Her husband is running for President of the US and you female idiots are bashing her? What in your meager lives are you doing?
I'm glad that Josh defended his mom – that's what children should do. But when I hear the republicans and Ann Romney herself state that she worked so hard as a stay-at-home mom.I want to vomit – C'mon, be real. My own wife was a stay-at-home mom for all or our children's lives while they were growing up. My wife worked very hard because raising your children is extremly hard work. However, because we are not millionaires, we didn't have maids, nannys, gardeners or any of the other people that make wealthy peoples lives easier. So when the Republicans and Romneys speak about this understand that they have no credibility on this when commenting. Of course this doesn't apply to all stay at home republican mommys – only the wealthy ones. Mitt also stated that he listens to his wife on economic issues and how they relate to women – be very scared America, be very scared.
Wrong rickwh – Mitt, like most men don't listen to their wives!
And I would rather listen to your wife, as a stay-at-home mom, tell me about the realities of what women care about because there is so much more credibility to what she would have to say, Whether your family is republican or democratic or something else, I'm sorry, Ann Romeny is just not a role model for the average American woman. And she isn't a martyr either because someone made a criticism of the fact that her husband is trying to put her out there as his Women's Ambassador. She may be a nice women, a good mom, etc. but she doesn't speak for most women in this country. She just isn't all that.
It's hard to take the son of a couple of nutjobs seriously. His magic underpants increase the RDF he lives in.
I have to laugh....how can you take a man and his family who believe in "magic underpants" seriously......"religious
beliefs" have to be examined.......no less absurd than believing that 71 Virgins will meet you in heaven
Magic underpants, really? Symbolic clothing, yes, just as orthodox Jews wear symbolic clothing such as yarmulkes etc. I don't hear many making fun of Jewish symbolic clothing, so please, show another religion the same respect.
Will all the money Mr Romney your daddy has he had people to take care of the yard Why no housekeepers ,maid,cooks and nannys or your father fired them all.
Odd isn't it? Republicans have been telling us for 20 years that being a stay home mom isn't work and the poor people who do it are just lazy, trying to live off the system and need to get real jobs. I guess raising kids is harder to do when your rich and have a support staff. Or maybe it's just that the Republicans are full of it and don't care about any American that does not fit their idea of what an American should be. Rich and far right wing.
I rest my case....
The silence over the fact that Michelle Obama is also a privilaged woman who really doesn't understand what working people do is deafening.
WRONG. Michelle Obama also doesn't have a clue about the family that does without.
Nice try, Scott. I don't suppose you bothered to do any research before you made your post. How about reading her biography on Wikipedia. (It isn't that hard to find.)
Father worked in the city water plant. That doesn't sound privileged. Reading further, I find that she and her brother both did so well in 1st grade that they skipped 2nd grade. In 6th grade, she was on the "honors track" and ended up as the salutatorian. She continued to get an advanced degree and went to work. It was at work that she met her, now, husband.
Her parents weren't people of means. She couldn't have just taken it easy.
Why do you feel the need to spread untruths? If you didn't know, why didn't you do some research? It's really simple.
I'm a moderate who cares a lot about facts and proper use of mathematics. Now that I've said that, I find it rather interesting (and sad) that some Conservatives call some Liberals lazy but yet you didn't do some very easy research. What gives?
I believe we all want a person who can truelly understand the people in this country lead the country.
I have a comment about ann romney. No she has never had to work none of her life because she has always been privileged, and as far as her raising her 5 children who had nannies, in private schools, her fighting her many illnesses, and her get togethers at the Yacht and Country Clubs, and not to mention being with mitt, campaigning for the last 5+ years. So when did she raise her children with all of that?????? Tell the truth ladies and gentlemen, we know she did not raise her kids because of her being privileged all her life.
Bull. It is NOT possible that a woman in an American household that makes $20 million per year knows what it is like to raise 5 boys on an income of $20,000 per year. PERIOD. END OF STORY. SHUT UP THE REST OF YOU STUPID PEOPLE.
Ann Romney doesn't know the meaning of hard work. She probably has some one to wipe her butt for her.
How dare she talk about hard work. Boy it was hard work. Sarcastic maybe.
Just remember that Octomom is a hardworking stay at home mom too. Hell, we're all hardworking stay at home moms if these two can throw the term around. Go back to the barn and play with your horses, Ann.
I bet Ann even had a special maid to wash Mitt's special underwear. You don't think she actually washed them herself.
I can't believe how many people claim that most women in America don't have a choice to be a stay at home mom. I am the wife of a school teacher on a school teacher's income. We have five children ages 13 to 2. I choose to be home with them. Amazingly, for many it seems, we only have one car payment which we hope to pay off soon, no credit card debt, live in a modest home, and are close to a 3 month emergency reserve. Sadly, or not so much, my kids do share rooms and will have to work part-time through college. However, we will pay off our home in 14 years (having cut 8 years off our mortgage), have two reliable cars, get new clothes, eat healthy, give the kids lessons, and take an occasional Disneyland vacation-no Hawaii yet ;). Do we live within a budget? Yes, the envelope system is a great way to stay on track with our money and stay within reasonable budgets. We never get the newest electronic toys, but ultimately we are happy and doing just fine. Are we squarely middle class? Absolutely. And somehow, we have figured out how to do it on one income with five kids. My sister is the wife of a police officer and chooses to stay home with her kids. My sister in law stays home with her six kids and her husband is a police officer. Trust me, if we can do it, then it's not a choice that only "rich people" can make. We certainly don't get everything we might want, but everything gets old after a while, so that sacrifice is completely worth it. And yes, we work really hard, every day. Do we have abilities to do other things? Yes, but we choose to sacrifice some personal and public achievements so that we can raise the children we chose to have full-time. Are we concerned about the economy? Absolutely. Are we concerned that 4 years ago our debt was about 10 trillion and now it is approaching 16 trillion? Yes. We do not want to raise our children to face a future that is not as bright as ours was, so Ann Romney is right on the money, because if the economy isn't American moms' greatest concern, it certainly should be.
All this ranting and raving about Hillary Rosen...What about Wolf Biltzer and his white male authoritarianism????? Are you kidding? Would he have been so quick to demand an apology from a male making an outlandish comment..."to look into the camera now and apologize"!?! He owes Hillary an apology. Shame, shame Wolf Biltzer! You supposedly are a neutral journalist. Maybe, you need to look in to joining Fox News.
Exactly Steve. CNN made this story a week long story instead of focusing in on the real story which is Mitt Romeny saying women with children under 2 years old on welfare should be working.
That's what Hilary Rosen was trying to respond to, but God forbid any one question the and mighty Mitty and his precious St.Ann.
And The Blitz isn't a neutral journalist he used to to for the 700 Club and crazy Pat Robertson.
How many nannies, butlers, chambermaids and staff REALLY reared their kids?
Probably none. What many people don't understand about Mormon culture is that there is a huge emphasis on self-reliance. Never hire someone to do what you can do yourself. Ann Romney was a full-time stay at home mom just like every other middle class mother in America. She didn't have to worry about paying the bills, but since I am middle class and keep my expenses reasonable, neither do I. Josh said that she never hired anyone to take care of them. She chose to raise them herself even though she had the means to hire nannies if she wished, but Ann Romney valued the work of being a mother and raising her sons. When she was diagnosed with MS, Mitt Romney told her that it was okay, and that he could live off peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Sounds like they didn't have a full-time cook. When Mitt Romney went to film an ad for his campaign he was put in the garage of the staffer since they weren't ready yet. When they came to get him 1/2 hour later, he had completely swept out and tidied the garage. Does that sound like a person who is waited on hand and foot? Mitt's father might have been rich, but he had worked his way there and wanted his son to have the same experience. Every penny that Mitt Romney has, he has earned. I value that kind of extraordinary success and want it in the President of the United States of America. George Washington and the Kennedys were much more wealthy than the Romneys, so let's get off this bandwagon of envy and class warfare. Studies tell us that money beyond that which pays for the necessities of life and a few wants -$50,000/year to be exact -does not create any more happiness.
If more women would get married and stay home and raise their own children rather than farm them out to some day care we would not have the problem os so many young people getting into trouble,
" part-time psychiatrist, part-time ring leader..."
Psychologist is more appropriate than Psychiatrist, unless she was giving out prescription medicine on a daily basis. Maybe she was. I do not know.
I Any woman, who has the financial opportunity or by choice, to stay home and raise the children and keep everything organized is a challenging job and should be well respected.
I think the point to this "brief" is that working moms do more then work. The childrens welfare in the home, school and religious life is important to her. If you don't work outside the home, she shouldn't be making comments about those who do. And with the economy for the last 7 yrs, women lost their homes with or without a husband or partner. Financial
disasters are bullet holes in communities that were stable. Mitt has a bad record on the value of the working woman and her family. I think Ann and all the moms at home and home & work KNOW the value of their hearts. Mitt shouldn't be patting him self on the back like he's doing a "good" job. We are watching from our homes, that might be foreclosed soon.
Most of us have lost the retirements money because some of the companies jumped ship and went OUT OF THE COUNTRY.... Yeah, we listen good and use our own logic on critical matters of women and their careers. Be it "mom at home" or Out of Work Moms and Dads....
I knew exactly what Ms. Rosen meant when she said that Ann Romney never worked, but it was a cruel way of saying it. I have worked since age 11. It is surprising however, that a presidential candidate from any walk of life, has to hear from his wife about the plight of women in this country, instead of knowing this himself. Ann Romney was privileged and blessed to have a husband that could support her and their children. Years ago, with the decline of the American male as breadwinner, all these wars and thousands of soldiers not coming home, women had to enter the workforce, and for a "living" wage, enter some kind of career. Women are the breadwinners, and often degraded for being a stay-at-home mother, have found self esteem in work and career. But it has come at a price. Children always, and marriages suffer. At the same time we should not envy the rich. They are not spared suffering. If they share their wealth they can serve a purpose for good. For Ann Romney, multiple sclerosis is a terrible, crippling disease to be faced with. Only by the mercy of God and personal courage can it be overcome. Breast cancer can be a death sentence, when even money cannot save you. Duchess Kate has not produced an heir. God keeps us all humble, and remains in charge of the universe.
-Veronika Nelson, Democrat
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Josh loves his Mom and Dad but people aren't stupid at lease not all people. Mitt was born to wealth and power by his Dad and lived it. Mitt knew no one dare speak out to Governor George Romney's son who was a bully called Lord of the Flies. Ann was raised by a nanny and never paid any thing as she knows. With all the homes Mitt/Ann have we are go blieve Ann cleans wink. Josh and his brothers even have vitro fertilization to product kids as Tagg even uses surrogate to reach the current number of grandchildren to 18. Mitt said let the housing bottom out as it would help Josh get land at a cheap price and sell at a higher price just like his Dad does with companies. Josh is his father's son and Ann can spin her stay at home story but women know the truth. Ann is nothing like Lenore Romney who fought for women's rights, raised her kids and even ran for the US Senate. Notice how Mitt and Ann never talk about Mitt's Mom Lenore who is one of the best examples of women paving the way.
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Anne Romney sounds like one hell of a lady. I agree with her they could have hired nannies, but they decided not to. It does say something
about her. With that said, she has never had a paying job in her life. It's funny do you think this family would have been success with out
their dads money. Could they have start and succeed from the ground up.
Like is great when you have to read the story of people and Ann sounds like a great wonder Mom. She took night classes to get her degree in 1975 with a 5,4, and infant. She took no teaching religious classes to kids, cooking classes and wow in 1977 with a 7,6and 2 year old was Town Representative in Belmont Mass. She did great but Mitt's Dad always bragged about him on TV and as US Secretary of Housing he always he took care of his son Mitt. He said he gave his children stock to finance their life style and he was proud. George even gave Ann/Mitt 42,000 dollars for their first home in Mass. George and Lenore Romney stayed active and he often said they would do anything for their kids. A lot like Barbara and George Bush did for their children at the time.
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