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This evening "Piers Morgan Tonight" welcomed Mark NeJame with new details on George Zimmerman, the man charged with killing Trayvon Martin.
Joining Piers Morgan for a live interview, the CNN legal analyst shared an exclusive photograph which suggests Zimmerman has black heritage:
"The man in the middle is apparently George Zimmerman's great-grandfather. The woman above him, is in fact his grandmother who is half black," explained NeJame. "And the little child in the gentleman's lap, is his mother. So we see that he really has significant multiracial, multicultural roots."
In a case ripe with racial undertones, NeJame suggests that Thursday's photo may help the Zimmerman camp refute theories that Martin's death was a result of profiling and bigotry:
"Talking to people that know him, I have changed my position," revealed the guest. "People can come up with whatever conclusions they want. But from looking at the facts and the evidence, I don't think there is a racial motive in there."
Watch the clip, and listen to the interview, as NeJame offers his analysis of the Trayvon Martin case to this point.
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who is paying this guy to be an analyst , Cnn or George ZImmerman legal Team.
Nejame took a cheap shot at President Obama – Now with this half black BS, Najame must be suggesting that T. Martin should have only been half scared? Or Zimmerman is only half racist (if he is at all). The DA resigning just proves that the Supreme Court should step in and stop allowing corrupt officials to simply resign when they break the law! What the hell would happen in America if the police were profiling and stopping young white men – suspension of being Serial killers – Often identified as white males between the ages of 18 &32? He knows exactly why Americans see Zimmerman’s actions as hate or racially motivated! America – We are not this stupid!
April... DA's & the Chief of Police did NOT try to resign because they broke the law as you say... It's because of the pressure & dangers brought on by the racist marchers with the signs picturing Trayvon as a little boy. When certain situations are an obvious fraud as such... Then you KNOW that's the side that's going to lose in the end... Because it's not based on truth. But it's very dangerous for the people they target like those officials... like judges, jurors, members of Zimmerman's family, his attorneys, etc. See, it's not funny. It's dangerous business. If you were one of them, you might want to hide/resign, too. Again, it's NOT because they broke the law as you say. Actually it's a travesty that needs to be prosecuted. There are idiots out there who could follow these marchers (Crump, Sharpton, Jackson) leads. We've seen the prosecutions' testimony under oath that they have nothing to refute Zimmerman's explaination.... And that they didn't even collect evidence (Did not even ASK for any Zimmerman Medical Report Records, for example). It is dangerous to let a situation like this go to a jury when there's no cause & it is so dangerous to the jury pool. Even if the judge dismisses it... Then the danger is bestowed upon him... Very unfair. It would probably be best for all if the prosecution recants it of their own will. The racist marchers own too much power if the government bends to their selfish will as they did. The DA originally proclaimed there would be no charges & Crump and Sharpton have stated they are responsible the charges were ever levied in the 1st place. This is a dangerous presidence.
They already do....it's called profiling. There are specialist who look at evidence police have and come up with a likely profile (physcological, etc,), For whatever reason....white folks are more likely to be serial killers.
If this case is not racial, then someone has to explain to me why Marrisa Alexander, a black woman, is looking at 20 years for trying to stand her ground in her home in Florida against a husband who threatened to kill her. She didn't even shoot at him, let alone kill him. She shot the gun into the air. Does the age old saying, double standard strike a chord? Why wouldn't George Zimmerman's father come on camera when he talked to media? I guess he didn't want people to jump to the conclusion that he was white. Whether Zimmerman is half black, half white or whatever, he is a full blown killer.
I completely agree with April. I know many people who are interracial and for what ever reason they favor one race over the other. I have yet to hear anyone talk about the fact that Treyvon Martin was found face down and that Zimmerman was standing over the young man's body. How does one defend themselves from someone who has their back to you? Zimmerman out weighed young Treyvon, Zimmerman chose NOT to listen to the police dispatch telling Zimmerman to NOT follow young Treyvon. The photo of the back of Zimmerman's head injured is NOT Zimmerman's head. Zimmerman DOES NOT have a bold spot and the head in the photo does. Zimmerman had a broken nose, ok where is the proof for that? All the blood that comes from a broken nose is nowhere to be found. There are witnesses that saw Zimmerman standing over young Treyvon's body as Treyvon lies face down on the ground. Bring those young ladies forward, allow them to tell their truth of what their eyes witnessed. Let us pull together and fund young Treyvon and his family. Let us help accomplish the true justice for this young man who lies dead. He needs our voices and our money. Where can I make my donation?
Let me get this right. CNN is claiming that George Zimmerman isn't racist because he isn't white?
Thus proving that CNN is the greatest race bating huckster of them all.
April you need to check yourself.
Piers Morgan, tell both sides of the evidence. Stop the madness of BIAS behavior. Earn your pay and be fair and just for all parties concerned. Even the dead deserve the respect for justice.
Angie you can send your generous donation to me. I'll buy a six pack of Colt 45 and spill a bit of the first can out on the ground for Trayvon.
No offense, Angie, but you're not the brightest bulb on the tree. You're a reactionary pawn ripe for picking and jumping on the bandwagon of slogans and prejudice. You may not think so but it's evident in your writing and responses above. George has just as many rights as Trayvon and you don't know the facts whatsoever. Quit jumping the gun. It's thanks to your type of mentality and judgement that George has to live in hiding. Justice goes 50/50 not 0/100 to Trayvon. I hope you can get that before the next time you are called to serve jury duty.
This case, from my point of view, has more to do with how justice is meeded out than whether GZ is white, black, green or purple. It leans heavily upon what the initial DA did not do – move to arrest the shooter in the death of another person; an unarmed person at that. Had he told the police – that actually believed that there was more to this case than what they were told by the shooter, to get me a little more for me to work with, I think the family would have stood by while the wheels of justice turned ever so slowly.
But the wheels appeared to have come to a halt based on what the DA did – dropped the case. That's when the family decided to do what they did; seek media attention for what was NOT happening in this case.
In the Great State of Florida, the DA has 6 months to either bring charges or the defendant goes free. If you're the family, all you can hear is the TICK, TICK, TICK of that judicial clock.
That's one of the main aspects of why this case has blown up in the media. Another is the issue of "Stand-your-ground." Is it a good law? Does it apply to this case? I don't know the answers to those questions. But I'm sure the Florida legislatue will reexamine it and possibly clarify their intent or strike it down.
The creator of SYG has said it does not apply in this case. JEB Bush said the same thing.
But I agree with u that race is not important in the killing itself. For me, it has ALWAYS been about how the case was mishandled. Was it because the victim was black or was it because of who George is and who his father is? Not even their race but his family's ties to the law and judicial system. I don't for one second think George's dad didn't interfere in some way. He was trying to protect his son which is understandable but he can't expect his son to be above the law or receive special privilege.
You might want to look up the statute of limitations on murder. But why cease being an idiot when you do it so confidently?
The 6 months is only if someone has been arrested. There is no statute of limitations on murder.
"He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather — the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him."...
Untold numbers of vehement and violent "white" racist have one or more "black" ancestors; the psychology of these individuals is unfathomable. The fact that George Zimmerman is one such individual (of diverse ancestry) PROVES NOTHING! Anyone influenced by this negligible factoid, is not playing with a full deck; or, in desperation, they are reaching for any fantasy, in order to subvert justice.
You describe Ubama perfectly. Is he a "White-African-American?" And, since he's got that white blood in him, maybe he's a potential serial killer too. You racist a-wipes crack me up.
And how does the FACT that Zimmerman and his wife were big brother/big sisters to young black children who's fathers refused to do his duty by his children? Or the FACT that Zimmerman stood up for a homeless black man who was beaten by the police and ensured that his neighborhood and kept working for the man until the person who beat him was finally brought to justice? He even went around to black churches trying to get the black population to stand up for this homeless man, to no avail! There is NOTHING that suggests that Zimmerman is a racist...not one thing. And there are many things that prove he is not. Sometimes a confrontation between two men is just a confrontation between two men...even when those two men are of different races!
Why are we mixing facts in here, this will mess up a well thought out narrative!
Hitler had a Jewish background.
And Hitler also went out of his way to help and defend Jews. Oh wait... no he didn't. But George Zimmerman HAS gone out of his way to help and defend blacks. So... bad analogy. VERY bad analogy (for many reasons).
If Zimmerman is part black, than shouldn't Farakhan, Sharpton and Obama be on his side too.
Zimmerman is Black American hero for standing up for his own self defense in this case.
Tawanna Brawley. Duke Lacrosse. Crown Heights. Trayvon Martin. See a pattern yet?
Racial profiling, KKK, lynchings, slavery, David Duke. See a pattern.
"What are DEMOCRATS, Alex"
Yeah, they are all Democratic racists.
Yeah, they were all right wing conservative. We all know the Democratic party was the conservative party before the Civil Rights Act was signed. Even Rick Perry was a Democratic.
Copperheads, anti-abolitionists, KKK, lynchings, Jim Crow, poll taxes, 100 years against civil rights legislation, "Great Society", "war on poverty", perpetual poverty, dependency, etc....see a pattern yet? It starts with a "D" and while they are all destructive, that is not the word I am looking for.
A bunch of Southern Democrats want to lynch a non-white man for defending himself....
Why do I feel like I've heard this one before?
You'd THINK black-folk would be somewhat averse to the whole lynching-thing, but...
Apparently – and SADLY – you'd be wrong.
I've probably spent more time than 99% of people digging into this case. Like most, in the beginning I wanted Jorge Zimmerman's head on a platter – until I heard some talking head say Saint Skittles was 17.
"SEVENTEEN? That kid's not more than TWELVE!" – so I started digging in...
I found a site called "wagist" that has detailed maps and tied them to the 911 calls and reports – it's PATENTLY obvious that TM doubled back, and that JZ was *NOT* following him – otherwise they wouldn't be where they were!
The REAL revelation came from a site called TheConservativeTreehouse – the sick, sad fact is that "The Passion of Saint Skittles" has been nothing more than a professionally-managed media production, designed to do exactly what it's done: enrage "the black community" until they threaten to riot, thus forcing the state to arrest Jorge Zimmerman despite all evidence that he did nothing but defend himself and broke no laws!
EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE MEDIA IS A LIE! – and it was *ALL* professionally managed to force them to arrest Jorge Zimmerman...
Because in Florida, no arrest==no LAWSUIT!
It really is that simple!
Remember Mom saying "All we want is an arrest!" - and after - "all we wanted was an arrest – THANK YOU JESUS!"
The Martyr family – now that they got their "arrest" – will sue JZ, Twin Lakes (they made him N-W captain!), the PD (they did his NW training!), the city of Sanford (They own the PD!), the county (they own the city!) and the State (they own the county!)! - each one (or their insurance company) will settle for ~$1.5-2mil, because that is less than it would cost them to fight the extortion machine of chump&co!
Why else would Jesse, Fat-Al and all the rest of the vultures be in such a hurry - FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Stop being STUPID – check out the sites I listed above (both dot-c0ms, BTW) and LEARN THE TRUTH!
compare the pics of The Martyr Family from Feb to this week – notice the HUGE changes in wardrobe and grooming?
Did you know they've taken their Exploitation-Tour INTERNATIONAL – they're traveling Europe now?
Did you know that there are SIX lawyers and A FULL *DOZEN* "consultants" traveling with them?
Every word, every outfit, every hair on their greedy little heads is professionally managed by people who have made careers out of manipulating the media to manipulate *YOU*!
Take the red pill!
Justice for JORGE ZIMMERMAN!
How can you call these people greedy and say they are looking for money when THEIR SON IS DEAD? Your overall tone is highly disrespectful. Why can you call George Zimmerman by his name but call a dead child Saint Skittles and his family The Martyrs. The general public is not so ignorant that they don't know that the media spins things. I remained open-minded throughout the entire case. And I am sorry, but even if Trayvon "doubled back" or even if he was beating the hell out of George Zimmerman, he was being followed by a stranger in an unfamiliar neighborhood. Please tell me what you'd do if followed and confronted by a strange man. I don't believe the "double back" theory, not unless he was lost or was looking to see if he was still being followed. It is possible that Trayvon did get the best of George in the fight, but again, if I was confronted by a strange angry man at night in a strange neighborhood I'd fight like hell to survive. But none of the evidence supports the "he banged my head into the sidewalk" allegation. The first police video did not indicate ANY blood or bruises. Even if paramedics had cleaned his wounds, where were the blood splatters from shooting someone who he says was on top of him slamming his head into the sidewalk? The "enhanced" video is a load of crap. Wounds that big would have been seen in the initial video, but his head was unblemished, clear, and smooth in the unaltered video. Anyone who can name call in a situation like this is a sad individual.
//But none of the evidence supports the "he banged my head into the sidewalk" allegation.//
The EYE witness, first police officer on the scene, PICTURE of cuts and bloody head taken right after the shooting, the screaming for help on the 911 tape and the fact that trayvon's body was found right beside the sidewalk??
Where are these pictures of George Zimmerman's injuries? And don't refer me to that "enhanced" police video which was clearly doctored. The initial tape had NO marks and NO blood anywhere on George. Yet he claims Trayvon was on top of him banging his head into the sidewalk when he was shot. Any person who has seen one episode of CSI knows what a blood splatter is. Where was the blood? So what there was a sidewalk? Are there pictures of blood on the sidewalk that has been tested and determined to be George's? When was it determined w/o any doubt that the screaming was on the tape was George? I think George Zimmerman was a wanna be tough guy and approached Trayvon demanding to know who he was and what he was doing there. First mistake b/c he should have stayed in his car and waited for police. If a fight ensued and he was on the losing end of it, of course he would scream IF indeed that was George screaming on the tape. Nobody knows what the hell went down but George Zimmerman and he's going to tell the version that suits him best and keeps him out of jail. I don't care about George's race or whether or not he was racist. I'd like to see proper execution of our justice system. Which will never happen because this case was tried in the media and also because George's team (his judge father) has had plenty of time to build not only a defense but an offense. Lies have been told. Evidence has been compromised and outright tampered with. I hate that this case has become about race because that's not the issue. An unarmed child is dead and we need to know the truth as to why. And I don't care what the police on the scene have to say b/c at this point they are covering their asses. They also wrote in the police report that they did not ask George any questions. Huh? There's a dead guy on the ground and the gunman wasn't questioned. And was allowed to keep possession of the murder weapon. When does that EVER happen?
@Misanthropicopleperson, Google "cuts on back of George Zimmerman's head.
And the police took george's gun that night and still have it!! Where have you been getting your information? CNN?
@JamieScott I googled it. All I saw were still pictures from the "enhanced" video. All of that dripping blood would have been seen in the initial video had it been there. I believe that the "enhanced" video was doctored. George and his brother and his father initially claimed that there was no blood because the paramedics had cleaned him up. But now all of a sudden after a video is released, he has open wounds with blood running down the back of his head? Paramedics don't leave wounds like that. And wounds of that significance would have definitely been seen in the initial video. There were CLEAR shots of the back of his head.
I don't know why people (you) want to believe so badly that George Zimmerman was a victim and was so viciously attacked. Only 2 people know for sure what happened and one of them is dead. I have watched this case play out with an open mind. I did not want to jump on any bandwagons and blindly demonize George Zimmerman. I even felt sorry for all that his family is going through and do not believe they should receive death threats and have to go into hiding because of this. You're not being objective here and neither are some of the other Zimmerman supporters and people accusing others of being brainwashed by the media. All of the information you have to defend Zimmerman comes from the MEDIA b/c you weren't there to know what actually happened. The attacks on Trayvon and his family aren't warranted. No amount of money will ease the pain of them losing their son and for people to say they are being greedy and out for money is ridiculous. Or to say that Trayvon's parents didn't hug him enough is just sad. The families had nothing to do with this-the Zimmermans or the Martins.
I've got four words for you.... You are an idiot!
You're shooting off to people here because they don't agree with you're twisted interpretation of the evidence (or so-called evidence).
Yes, the initial image release did not clearly show signs of injuries on Zimmerman's head, but it was from a distance, on a survellience camera, and AFTER the paramedics had cleaned his wounds.... the later released photo (showing the cuts and blood) was taken from a digital camera, close up, and BEFORE the paramedics cleaned him up.
As someone who has a fair amount of experiance dealing with survelience cameras, I am more than familiar enough with their capibilities, and their draw-backs. For example, no matter what the quality of the camera, the weakness of the system is the quality of the recording. Even if the camera's TVR was set to 4CIF encoding @ a full 30frames per second... that still leaves a recorded image quality of approx 720×480 lines of resolution.... vs the picture released later which was reported to have been taken at from a cellular telephone, which on average is around 2.1MP, or 1600×1200 lines of resolution.
What this means is there is a total of 345,600 pixels of information in the enitre image of the garage bay that was used to first "claim" there was no cuts on GZ's head. Zooming in, or enhancing, or what ever term you want to use cannot increase the amount of information available. All they can do is run computer algorithms on the data in hopes that the computer can GUESS what the pixels between the actual recorded pixels are to try to make a POSSIBLE senario for the lost information....
Compare that to the 1,920,000 pixels of information in the later released photo that was taken at the scene, of just GZ's head (as apposed to the 345,600 pixels that made up the entire picture from the surveilence camera.) Now consider that GZ's head made up less than 5-10% (but we'll use 10% here) of that surviellence cam picture, meaning that the number of pixel information from that shot on GZ's head would be more like 34,500 pixels of information.
Basically, the entire top of GZ's head could have been tattooed, or cut, or dirty, or anything else, and the chance you would be able to identify anything at that distance, and that resloution would be less that winning the lottery.
If you don't understand the concepts here, please do a little reading up on the technologies BEFORE you try to act like an expert. I'm not claiming to be an expert here, but I'm fairly sure from your posts that I have a much higher understanding of the capibilities and limitations of the devices use to collect this evidence.
It's a shame this family lost their son, but people make bad decisions every day, and they sometimes end up costing them their lives. From my interpretation of the evidence, I have not yet heard or seen anything (other than speculation and accusations from people like yourself) that would begin to refute the claims GZ is making, and quite to the contrary, drop all of the media's spin on things, and look at the EVIDENCE that has been released at this point, it looks like the evidence completely backs his story up.
Add to this that he co-operated FULLY with the police, and I just don't see how you people can try an make him our as this crazed, black hating racist. Even worse, I can't understand where people (not pinning this one on you, more the media) keep going on that is being backed by all of these anti-semitic groups.... that has to be the best one of all! Anyone want to look it up in the dictionary? These groups would be more sympathetic to Martin than Zimmerman.... Anti-semitism is hatred of JEWS! (and if you didn't figure this out, Zimmerman is a Jewish family name, as opposed to Martin, which is a family name origionating in jolly old England)
Name calling and disrespect. That's intelligent.
I am not defending or supporting anyone here. I have not stated anything as fact other than this would not have occurred if Zimmerman had not left his vehicle. That's all I've said. I do not speculate on him being a racist or on who was the aggressor in the "fight" or if there even was a fight. Zimmerman followed and got out of his car initiating the whole incident.
Had the police conducted a proper investigation perhaps we would know more fact about what happened instead of media spin and manipulation for a defense.
The initial video looked clear to me. The enhanced did not show his face and till no blood on his clothing. If u think video can't be doctored then you all of that mumbo jumbo I didn't bother to read is useless info floating in your head or obtained from the internet. Good day. I am disappointed in myself for even responding to someone who cannot disagree or refute w/o resorting to name calling. Good day! God bless!
That's right! They're celebrating and praising JAYSUS because they've hit the law suit "JACKPOT"! The death of their son? Who cares? !! They're just aninimals anyway!
You are one, very, very, SICK BAS7@RD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's a website, of many you can find, for the bloody head photo taken right after the incident.
yes seen the picture, also notice GZ is standing up and on his cell, after ALMOST being beat to death. clearly he bumped his head and his head might of hit some pebbles. there was no doubt a fight , but don't mean TM was the attacker . and wasn't defending him self . GZ was treated at the scene , there was no bandage , no report of a concussion. and no neck brace to show his head was violently shook again and again or pounded over and over on a hard surface.
Misanthropepeopleperson, go to those sites D_D mentioned. They lay it all out. The info can be found in many other places too. But the point is that most of this has been manufactured. It is called spin, PR, marketing... And yes, the family is making a fortune off their tour. Of course I feel terrible they lost a son and for every family who has lost a son. But I don't know any other families who hire dozens of consultants, lawyers, spin doctors, publicists and other PR professionals to profit off the death of their child. Most people don't grieve that way. I am glad they have received some donations to help them with their costs and ease their loss, but it has turned into a full blown business. I don't find it to be normal behavior.
Zimmerman created a website and raised over $200k. So what are u saying?
That family reached out to lawyers and other representatives because they felt they weren't getting justice. This case only made the news b/c the parents felt the police mishandled and they weren't getting answers. It was then spun into a racial case.
We don't know how the death of their son and the media scrutiny has affected them financially. I'm sure they can't rest or go to work just like the Zimmerman family can't. So why can't they get out to put there story out and seek justice for their dead son? I haven't seen any of their appearances nor do I know what their financial situation is or what business ventures they've entered into since Trayvon's death.
You've never seen people grieve this way b/c most people are allowed to grieve. They had to fight the system to get answers. These lawyers aren't free. I feel they are being taken advantage of by people seeking to boost their profiles and careers. But unless your child has been killed and the killer was allowed to chill out for months, u don't know what u would do. It's disrespectful and unfair to talk about these people that way. And yes I have said the same to people speaking ill of Zimmerman's mom and mother-in-law. They didn't do anything. I think his father is a puppetmaster though. Flexing his legal muscle and manipulating things. That's his son but he ought to want him to do the right thing.
Wow , you need a doctor!
IF THE HEAD IS SPLIT
YOU MUST ACQUIT!!
Mark Nejame needs to stop. Did he listen to the same tape as everyone else? Zimmerman stated to the 911 operator. "he's a black teen.". That's when race came into the picture. Another instance, "They always get away with it.". Who they was GZ referring to? The issue here is that there is a teenager whose blood is no longer running warm in his veins. Whose mother nor father could hug and kiss him. This young man's age and the fact that he was not doing anything wrong when he was followed and hunted down like an animal is the reason why GZ is before the courts. It doesn't matter who his great grandfather is. GZ thinks that he is law enforcement, he's NOT. He thinks that he could get away with killing an innocent young man, he CAN'T. Please do not try to spin the BLACK great grandfather on the audience. My great grandmother was white. I'm definitely black. SO spin your trip somewhere else.
If Trayvons would have hugged and kiss there son before he became a criminal maybe He would still be alive
George is that you? You really have some issues. In case you don't know, Trayvon was NOT a criminal. You have attacked a dead boy and his poor grieving family. Have you no shame?
Do not add insult to injury. It is beneath the human mind to torment parents over their dead child. ALL parents, whether black or white, or yellow or red, love their offspring. This is your attempt to dehumanize a specific group of people. That has to come from an ugly place, please try for humanity's sake to be above that.
And you should have been, at birth, chucked in the thash; along with the rest of the biological waste...
Short and Sweet Charlie...that sums it up for me...you da man...
Trayvon had a criminal past? Are there allegations of poor parenting or neglect against the Martins? If there are then your comments might be warranted.
If George's parents had hugged him more maybe he wouldn't have an arrest record that his dad made go away. Maybe he wouldn't carry guns to Target and end up killing unarmed teenagers.
Woulda coulda shoulda. Show me a perfect parent. Show me where the Martins failed and deserve blame in this. They lost a child and don't deserve disrespect and ridicule. And I say the same about the threats and nasty comments against George's family. Except his father and brother have been caught in lies. That is all.
It's been a few months now, and you're still trying to use evidence that was determined to be falsified to sensationalize the story? what was it, 3 editors from various news companies that have lost their jobs over this?
the evidence will do the talking. trayvon is dead. the evidence i've seen points to trayvon going ape$#!t and trying to beat the bajeezus out of GZ. if that's not true, then GZ should go to jail. if it is, then trayvon deserved a hole in his chest.
The only person who had a right to self defense was Trevon who was followed for no reason by a man with a gun.
Who deserves to be killed over a fist fight? Especially a CHILD who was being followed by an angry confrontational stranger. If George Zimmerman had approached me at night in a strange neighborhood demanding to know who I am and where I'm going WITHOUT a badge if I couldn't run, I would have done any and everything in the world to defend myself and get him away from me. There is no question that George Zimmerman approached Trayvon. If Trayvon then got the best of George and was winning the fight, then that's his tough luck. He should have taken the ass beating and called the police to report it. Nobody deserves to die in a situation where only fists are being used.
//where only fists are being used.//
It's not the fist that people have a problem with...it's the use of the pavement as a weapon that people have a problem with!
The only story about a sidewalk has come from George Zimmerman. A man in his situation would say anything to justify what he did. People don't seem to understand that George Zimmerman initiated and instigated this entire situation. Had he stayed in the safety of his truck as 911 asked him to, none of this would have happened. The police were on the way. Why would he get back out of his truck? He had no authority to approach or question anyone about anything.
And let me tell u another thing. If anyone black or white or other approaches me and there is physical contact, I am going to use anything I can to get them the hell off of me. Sidewalk. Tree branch. Whatever. I do not think i could ever use deadly force against someone unless there was a clear and present danger to my life. I'm the type who would shoot a home intruder in the leg before I'd take a "kill shot".
Google ""Trayvon's father: it wasn't my son's voice screaming for help" and watch the NEWS report from the night of the shooting and the day after. @ 0:50 you can see the shooting site to the left of the group police and to the right you can see George's truck parked at the "cut through" where he told the operator he parked it.
Also at 1:00 you can see Trayvon Dad standing on the sidewalk looking down at the spot trayvon was shot!
You got that right Tesia...Since when is it a crime to talk about the dead...Trayvon was a thug...he was a gang banger, thief, drug dealer etc....facts are facts...deal with it it and get off of Zimmermans back...you wouldn't like it if it was you...now...who are the racists here...what you have here is mob mentality...a pound of flesh for what...an innocent man...I would have done the same if a thug was beating on me...Now move along and put those emotions aside simpkins...
misanthropicpeopleperson: Martin deserved to be killed because he used deadly force (wounds to the neck, face or neck) in a fist fight.
Martin attacked a smaller man. Next time you decide to attack a smaller man, remember he might have a gun and walk away.
He wasn't smaller. Zimmerman outweighed him. And u were not there to know who attacked who. Please stop that. I don't know either but nobody DESERVES to die like that. Why wasn't there a warning shot? As a decent human being I'd do everything I could to avoid killing another human being. My priority would be to escape or defend myself and let the police handle it.
One could also say that George shouldn't approach smaller men not knowing what was in store for him then resort to shooting when the tables were turned. We don't know so either way is possible.
GZ also didn't have such a pretty past,
he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and resisting an officer with violence . and these were commited in his adulthood , . 2 charges of resisting an officer ? what that say about GZ MR all around nice guy ? all charges were dropped ( wonder why?) last one being a felony charge , which means he wouldn't of been able to own a gun if it stuck. sound like daddy had some pull , GZ work history is very shakey , which based on these charges I can guess why ,because no one can control GZ he does what he wants when he wants. come on Z-Man supporters get a clue about this guy .
Zimmerman only outweighed him by about 10-20 lbs. He was only 170 or 180 lbs.–NOT the manufactured 267 lbs. He was actually a lot shorter than Martin too. Martin was 6'2" tall and Zimmerman was only 5"8 tall. So, WHO had the physical advantage?
I completely agree with you! To say that just because the great grandfather was black, he may not be a racist is simply ignorant. Also, the great grandfather looked Native American/Latino maybe? not black! He is mixed with Latino and white and as a Latino I know for a fact many Latinos are racist with people of darker skin tone, so don't give me this as a defense excuse!
His great grandfather "looked latino". How racist of you.
You're still falling for that edited tape?
THE DISPATcHER **ASKED** HIM – QUOTE – "...is he white, black or hispanic?..." – and Jorge Zimmerman answered the question by saying "He LOOKS black."
EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW IS A LIE!
You've fallen for a deliberate, professional media production – "The Passion of Saint Skittles" IS PURE FIcTION!
See my other comments for where you can go to learn the TRUTH!
Margaret, if listen to the whole interaction between the dispatcher and Mr. Zimmerman, you hear the dispatcher ask "What color is he?" and then George reply with "He is black."
There was a video a while back that spliced a bunch of stuff together, and removed the dispatcher's question entirely. So all you hear is George Zimmerman saying "He is black." That video was then aired on the news, and suggested that–because of this–the killing of Trayvon Martin was racially motivated.
Because this splicing manipulated the facts, many of those involved in splicing/airing that piece have been fired. However, it still did a lot of damage as the redaction barely got any notice.
That tape was doctored by Lilia Luciano. She was fired for that. That was not the actual tape you heard. Google it!
The words of GZ are actual but it was edited (rearranged the order of which it was said) to make a better story concerning racism. Reading comprehension is your friend...
Did you listen to the 911 tape. The police dispatcher asked Zimmerman if Martin was black and he said,"He looks black". If you honestly and truly consider that to be a racist statement then you are nothing but a close minded person thats already made up their mind about this
Margaret, you didn't have to bother to tell us you're black. That's self evident. Zimmerman said "he looks black" AFTER HE WAS ASKED by the 911 operator "Is he black, Hispanic or white?" You, madam, are the racist here, and you and yours need to take a good long look in the mirror. Note how a number of black folk here think the black woman was railroaded when she exercised her right to "stand her ground." You might also want to Google "hypocrisy" and memorize what you find.
They = criminals He didn't even mention race until the dispatcher asked what ethincity he was. FYI, not every reference to "they" means "black".
You're trippin'. The dispatcher asks Zimmerman what the guy is and then she asks colors......dang, y'all some stupid folks. Seriously, you're scaring me a little bit.
Specifically referring to your statement that race was involved due to Zimmerman stating, "he is a black teen", this was only stated after he was asked what race by the 911 operator, right?
@Margaret, Which tape did YOU listen to? The NBC one where they edited out the part where the operator asked him "Is he White, Black or Hispanic"? And how did George "followed and hunted down like an animal" when the shooting took place less than 30 yards from George's truck? Trayvon had more than 4 minutes to be anywhere other than EXACTLY in the same place he previously RAN AWAY from George!!
You guys are just plain idiots! It does not matter what Zimmerman's race or background is or was. The fact is that Zimmerman profiled Trey Martin because he was black. We heard the police tape. He said that Trey was up to no good when he was just talking to his girlfriend on the phone and walking back to his dad's girlfriend's home. He was wrong, period. He must face justice period.
How do you know Trayvon wasn't up to no good?? You weren't there....Trayvon was caught at school with a bag of women's jewelry and a screwdriver....Do you know any other way a 17 year old would end up with a bag of women's jewelry other than taking it from a woman's bedroom?
Another idiot. We know Zimmerman had previously attacked a cop. Should all cops be allowed to shot Zimmerman on sight? Who knows, he might just be up to something.
@"Common sense", Why do you keep calling people "idiots" that disagree with you? Are you a 12 year old child...or just act like one?
George didn't "attack" a cop, he saw someone that he believed was starting a fight with his friend and went to help out his friend....it turned out to be a plain clothed alcoholic beverage control officer and the charges were later dropped!
Actually, it wasn't his girlfriend. Crump just made that up to try to get GZ arrested. She had a boyfriend, but it wasn't him. Crump also alleged that the girlfriend was so distraught that she had to miss the funeral & had to go to the hospital. All part of the fraud designed to get media attention & have the government arrest GZ. It worked !!! But it was a fraud nonetheless. She spent all day tweeting about other things like her boyfriend and her hair due when Crump says she was supposed to be in the hospital crying.
Too many periods McDude...I guess you can't read...ppl were fired for manipulating the 911 tapes...the dispatcher asked what race he was...
MacDude, you are wasting your time trying to talk to these people. It makes me sick that they are calling him a thug. The fact is if GZ had stayed in his car none of this would have happened. He had no right to confront him. neighborhood Watch people are only there to watch and call the police, that is all. Even the lady who set up the NW program in the apartments has stated that he was in the wrong.
Barbara, where is your proof that GZ confronted Martin? He wasn't in his vehicle but he was very close by it. Maybe he wanted to stretch his legs. Nobody said he had to remain inside the vehicle. And according to Martin's girlfriend, it was Martin who spoke to Zimmerman first. Take a look at ALL the evidence. I am afraid you are missing more than half of the facts.
GZ said he questioned him about who he was and what he was doing there. Not his business. Not in his realm of authority. That's a confrontation.
If a man was following me I might ask him why or what did he want. U can't have it both ways. U can't say GZ didn't follow him then have Trayvon speaking first to ask him why he's following him. The boy wasn't psychotic.
"Trey?" You are on a first name basis with the deceased? Man, I know blacks are all into acting like you know each other when you pass on the street, but this is going a little too far.
He profiled him because he did not recognize him as being a resident there and he was acting strangely. I would have been concerned at the behavior and not knowing who he was on private property regardless of whether he was white, black, purple or green.
Damn, I don't care if George Zimmerman father was George Clinton, that doesn't prove he's not a racist. Remember Jesus was a Jew, and who crucified him?
It doesn't prove he IS a racist, either. There's absolutely NO proof of that no matter how much you want it to be so. That was his 93rd call to the police about the neighborhood watch. So why didn't he kill the other 92? Why weren't they all black people? See? It doesn't make any sense. Trayvon on the other hand thought about race almost constantly. Look on his site... even what he called himself. I DO think Trayvon was a racist. GZ...???? Not so much. He was just trying to be an upstanding citizen while protecting his neighborhood from the criminal activity that had been troubling the community. He would have done the same thing even if it was a white person without a suntan.
The Roman authorities.
He wasn't crucifie for being a Jew...
Now how the eff can you possibly argue wif dat?
This is by far the most ignorant comment I've ever heard from anyone at CNN, to say that the fact that this man's grandfather was African American (he looks Native American/Latin American?) proofs that he may not be a racist is a stretch. Any person with Latin descent will tell you that some of the most racists countries in the world are in Latin America where people from Native and African descent are discriminated and families chose their spouses based on family bloodlines. I'm not sure how Zimmerman was raised, but to assume that because he has color in his bloodline doesn't make him a racist is ignorant.
It's ignorant for you to say that's ignorant. If you are concerned about the rash of robberies that have been taking place at your neighborhood community as of late.... WHY IN THE WORLD would you care about what color people are??? You are trying to find the robbers. How are you supposed to know what color they are? Well in THIS case he got lucky and he was right... (after all Trayvon was the one who had been caught with all the jewels). Now THAT"S what matters... not the color of the skin. All races have been burglars at one point or another. In this case it happened to be a black. Just a coincidence. There's probably just as many white or hispanic burglars as there are black ones. Who cares about the color??? Let's stay on the real subject/issue here. It's the neighborhood watch, silly. Not the civil rights issue. Apparently, too many people are noticing the color of Trayvon's & Zimmerman's skin. THEY are the racists!!!
If George Zimmerman was concerned about the neighborhood, all he had to do was wait for the police to get there as the 911 dispatcher instructed. If Trayvon had done something illegal, the police were on the way. If Trayvon "doubled back" and confronted George and they were less than 30yds from his truck (as someone else here alleged) George could have gotten back in his truck and/or called 911 back to escalate the matter to urgent. This entire situation happened because George Zimmerman overstepped his position as neighborhood watch (which wasn't official or recognized). Had he stayed in his truck and waited for police, Trayvon would be alive and George's life and family would not be in turmoil. Trayvon is the victim any way that you look at this case.
Nope. Travon bashed Zimmerman's head, broke his nose. It's open and shut. Justifiable use of deadly force.
Martin Family: Do not pass London, (Go) Do not collect millions of dollars. That's what this is all about. Sorry.
What was Travon's Twitter account name again?
If I follow you with a gun and you kick my butt, am I than allowed to shot you because I picked on someone I could beat in a fist fight? You really are an idiot!
How many people do you know that are in fist fights end up with lacerations on the back of their head? Have you ever seen a boxer or UFC fighter with lacerations on the back of their head.....Oh...that's right...it's against the rules to hit someone with your fist in the back of their head because you can cause serious bodily harm....pavement is a LOT harder than a fist!!
If you follow me with a gun, you had better use yours before I use mine. But this digression merely continues the pathetic food fight here at CNN between two bands of apes. I, personally, have been down from the trees long enough to allow the legal system to work and to be absolutely fine with whatever the outcome. But I will say this. There is one "side" to this idiocy that will be "fine" with only ONE outcome. And if that outcome does not occur, will take to the streets and probably burn their own neighborhoods down. I say that with confidence, becaues they know all too well, despite all of their trash talk, that if they dare to come into neighborhoods like mine and even think of rioting, they'll all be dead long before the police get there. Boy.
Do you really think the Martins would prefer to have money over their son? That's ridiculous.
And as for George Zimmerman's head injuries, I don't believe that "enhanced" tape b/c the original video showed NO signs of blood. Not even blood splatters. If Trayvon was on top of George when he was shot, there would have been plenty of blood on George. He was clean and his head was unblemished in that first video. And then the enhanced video is released (not zoomed in or anything) and all of a sudden he has huge bloody gashes at the back of his head. But I thought he and his brother and father said that the paramedics had cleaned him up. And they left all that blood and no bandage?
Another thing, if a stranger approaches me in a confrontational manner in an unfamiliar neighborhood I'm going to fight with everything I have to get away from him. If George approached Trayvon and then Trayvon somehow got the upper hand, that's how it goes sometimes. That doesn't mean the person losing the fight gets to kill their opponent that THEY approached therefore initiating contact. George was by his truck (according to his double back story) and had his cell phone. If Trayvon doubled back and approached him in a hostile manner he should have gotten back in his truck and/or called 911 to escalate the previous call. The police were on their way. Even if Trayvon broke into someone's home, he would have been caught. So why did GZ feel the need to get OUT of the safety of his truck to follow him?
Well apparently the Martin family does value the money because they copyrighted Trayvon's name and have been selling the crap out of merchandise with lil Tray Tray's face plastered all over it.
Yes I do believe the Martins want the cash, most definetly.
And that was taken from a rap group. And? Because some teenager wants to pose online and pretend to be "hard" for his friends he deserves to die? Oh ok. There's a lot of shooting to be done today then. Including some of the people making these nasty ignorant commennts.
" No-Limit- N-I-G-G-A "
IF HIS HEAD IS SPLIT
YOU MUST ACQUIT !!
Has anyone heard about George distributing fliers that help lead to the arrest of the police officers son that assaulted Sherman Ware (Black homeless man) and the firing of the police chief?....Probably not seeing as the "news" media isn't reporting those FACTS.....
No, I hadn't heard that. I also didn't know that that could be used to justify killing an unarmed teenager.
Who said it "could be used to justify killing an unarmed teenager"? Having your head slammed against the pavement by an "unarmed" (pavement is a weapon that can inflict serious bodily harm or DEATH) teenager is a justifiable reason to use deadly force to defend yourself.
Being followed by a man with a gun is a good reason to bang that person's head into the ground. Too bad Trayvon didn't have a gun than he would not have needed to bash Zimmerman's head on the ground. Than we might not need to have this chat. You can't create a life and death situation and than cry self defense like Zimmerman is trying to do.
There was no "life and death" situation until Trayvon went BACK and attacked George and started slamming his head into the pavement!! If Trayvon knew George had a gun he probably wouldn't of been stupid enough to go back and attack someone he was supposedly afraid of.
And there is NO PROOF Trayvon knew George had a gun till AFTER he slammed George's head into the pavement.
So, back in my younger, less responsible days (College), I looked the part of the white thug. Mohawk, shaved to skin on the sides. Big army jacket. Smoker. Steel-toed boots. Biker gloves. It didn't hurt that I was 6'3" and in the best shape of my life (besides the smoking). The thing was, I didn't have the thug mentality. And one time, at the worst of times, someone followed along after me, and stopped me with a "HEY, YOU!"
Now, let me set the scene. It's late (around 2am). I've had a bad, bad day (so I'm angry). And I'm drunk. That's an important factor. I was walking home from the bar, and some ROTC guy runs up on me and yells "HEY, YOU!" at about 10 feet. I turn, and the guy is kinda pointing at me, looks a little ticked himself. So I decked him for following me and trying to front like a punk.
Sorry, that's not right... I turned and asked "What?" He reached into his coat pocket, and tossed me... my keys. Which I had left on the bar. He then asked if I was alright to get home. Still looked ticked off, but seemed friendly (I got to know him in a class the next semester, he just always looked angry).
Now, why didn't I punch him? Maybe because I was a well adjusted human being who wouldn't immediately resort to violence against someone I don't know just because they happened to be following me. But hey, that's just me, I'm sure the world will agree with any excuse along the lines of "He was following me, so I decked him." I can think of a few others that should work if that one flies... "He looked at me funny," "He called me a name," and "He's creepy" should be ok.
TL;DR It's not illegal to follow someone, and it's not illegal to ask anyone any question. It is illegal to physically attack someone.
Supposing Trayvon knew GZ had a gun...why didn't he just go home or use that cell phone to call 911?
Personally, I believe none of this would have happened had GZ stayed in the SUV. He recently mentions that Trayvon was circling his vehicle yet he doesn't let the dispatcher know? Sounds hinky. Most people would be telling the dispatcher to hurry up the popo!
Mark Nejame's "reasoning" or complete lack thereof is ludicrous. The fact that George Zimmerman may be 1/8th black (how do we know that his great-grandfather was 100 percent black?) may be the REASON that he targeted blacks. Ever heard of self-hatred, Mark? Hitler was part Jewish. That worked out well. You just handed the prosecution a great line of attack.
Enough.... Don't get so hung up on it. Just take it as part of the whole situation... They talked about other things as well... Such as helping the two young underprivleged girls who were black. There's other kind things I've heard of GZ treating blacks in his neighborhood with respect, etc. It's the whole picture. This is just one part that helps coroborrate the rest. Yeah, it's no big deal. It in itself doesn't prove the whole picture. Put it all together and it makes sense. The racist issue is just a bunch of people wishing it WAS racism, BUT IT'S NOT !!!
I agree. Besides, its these bits of info that will be presented to the jury. Whether we believe it proves GZ is not a racist or is despite his lineage will only matter to what the jury thinks. We should want whatever comes along in info that could be brought up in the possible trial even if we disagree..
What was Travon's Twitter name again? And exactly what is a 'white Hispanic?" Is is anything like a "White Indian" like there is in Mass?
Go listen to the tape. There's a concept. Listen to the tape, and not the media's contrived version that people were to lazy to check on themselves. Oh, yeah and that got 3 of the media types fired too. That's not a racist on the tape. That dog won't hunt anymore.
Sherry, I don't think you get it, there isn't going to be a jury. There will be a motion hearing in front of a judge on wether any of the stand your ground law was broken, if not , than zimmerman goes free that day.
zimmerman entered a plea and wavied his right to a speedy trail. that normally means it already been determined there is going to be a trail..
Is Mark Nejame Zimmerman's attorney? Did he refer Zimmerman to his current attorney. Mr Nejame should go on line and take the "Project Implicit" test to see his biases. I think he would be surprised. He may not of heard of the "brown Paper bag test" . That is a think that blacks used to do to each other because some blacks with fair skin did not want to associate with dark skin blacks. You don't have to be non-black to hate blacks. It is just self hate when blacks hate other blacks because they are black. As to the NBC mess, Zimmerman is not a racist because he correctly identified Martin as black, he is a racist because all or most of the many people he thought were up to no good were blacks. How many white people did he call in to report as up to no good? I don't know if Zimmerman is a racist, but I am certain if Trevon were white or female he would be alive today.
I took that test. It is biased against whites. Needs to be re-written so I can score better and feel good about myself.
Mr. Nejame did refer Mr. O'Mara to GZ. His law partner is the husband of the judge who recused herself after studying the file.
You haven't listened to the tape, have you. That's pretty obvious, you've bought into the media spin. Nor have you looked at a map of that complex. Thinking folks have, and realize they've been scammed. Sharpton scamming people is nothing new.
What is this country coming to when one individual can take the life of someone over a simple fisticuff? The use of excessive force SYG laws is jawdropping.
My grandfather looks not dissimilar to Mr. Zimmerman's great grandfather, a bit lighter. He was condescending toward people darker than he was.
I love this one. I love the "simple fisticuffs" routine.
I'm not the most athletic person, but I'm big. I've got mass to throw around, I'm tall enough to have a good reach, and I can take a hit and give it back. I would probably do pretty well against most people smaller than I am. Now, let's have our simple fisticuffs. Heck, if you're smaller than I am, maybe I start it because I figure I'll win. And hey, if I win, I should get something, right? How about your wallet? Gimme that. It's mine now, because I beat you at "simple fisticuffs." Maybe I'm a sick p3rv or a psychopath. Then maybe I want your body or your life. It's mine, because I beat you at "simple fisticuffs."
A lot of people are very welcoming of gun control and the removal of SYG laws, because they're big enough to win at "simple fisticuffs." Am I saying Trayvon was one of those people, or that he had any of those intentions? No. But your argument brings us back to the caveman days when those that were physically stronger were in charge. That means women (in general) would be second-class citizens, as would anyone who decided to not pursue physical strength in favor of some other pursuit.
Remember, we've been killing each other long before we had guns. We've killed each other before we even picked up sticks and rocks. Never believe that "unarmed" means "not dangerous."
Well, how much of a beating should he endure? It was enough. I know the left would love to have everyone cowering in fear of these thugs. ps, love the name-calling here. That's a sure sign you've lost the argument.
Listen to the tape. Look at the map. I have. You haven't. Get informed. Stop buying the media lie.
Well, obviously, Zimmerman should have just let his head get bashed in because any retaliation or self-defense against a person of color is racist, no matter what. And when a group of African-American adults beat a white person into a coma for merely scolding their kids, muttering "That's justice for Trayvon" as they leave? That is absolutely NEVER racist. To call a black person racist is to divide by zero. The universe would simply implode if it happened.
You're reaching. I don't know what story you're speaking of but if that happened it's disgusting and they deserve punishment. My question though: what did the police do in response? That's the only reason why Trayvon's case made the big news. Nobody cares about a dead 17yr old-black or otherwise but especially black. The main issue is mishandling of the cae by police. This whole thing has been spun to be a race issue because that's what sells papers and gets people to tune in to radio & TV programs. And we as a country drank the damn Kool-Aid.
I do not believe the "enhanced" video is real or accurate but if George was losing that fight, that's the consequence of his own actions. He initiated and instigated the entire situation. He couldn't have had his head bashed from the safety of his car. None of us know what happened. We have George's version that is iffy at best as he's trying to avoid jail and appear to be a racist monster. And we have public speculation. That's it. None of us can emphatically state what happened.
This was not self-defense and it was not a justifiable homicide. Taking a life should be the LAST resort. Had George stayed in his car & waited for the police none of this would have happened. He has to accept responsibility for that. Good kid or bad, Trayvon was minding his own business and was unarmed that day.
@misanthropicpeopleperson, zimmerman didnt instigate anything! he called the cops, lost sight of trayvon and DID head back towards his car. how can z-man be considered an aggressor when he didn't even make physical or verbal contact with trayvon before heading back towards his car?
put yourself in that position. you're in a neighborhood where there have been a series of robberies. your outfit fits a description that matches the people that have been seen robbing houses. you just happen to fit a description, nothing you did is a crime, walking around is not a crime BUT neither is questioning someone. what IS a crime is reacting violently to something non-violent, which is what Trayvon did. if you were walking around in a gated neighborhood, and someone was trying to question you, does that give you the right to be the snot out of that person?
OK another hypothetical. assume you did think z-man was gonna hurt you and you were scared and retaliated with violence out of fear. Trayvon went BEYOND self defense. with self defense, you incapacitate the person and then STOP. if you keep attacking after a threat has been subdued, like how Trayvon was bashing z-man's head into the concrete even though he knocked him down with one sucker punch to the nose, then what was once the victim becomes the criminal.
its a fine line to walk. a guy named DJ Outlaw had a gun drawn on him as he was leaving a night club. the DJ pulled a shotgun and subdued the aggressor, BUT afterwards, he CONTINUED to shoot the aggressor 5 more times as he was down. DJ Outlaw is facing murder charges now and possible jail time.
also PROOF: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/george-zimmerman-bloody-head-photo/
That is the same still from the "enhanced" video. There are no other pictures of head injuries or a broken nose. No doctor's report. Be sure he would release those if he had them.
The police surveillance tape was clear. There wasn't a mark on Zimmerman. No bruised nose. No blood on his shirt from a bloody nose or from shooting someone who he said was on top off him. How does that happen? He didn't look disheveled or anything for just having escaped a brutal beating.
His father & brother said there was NO BLOOD b/c paramedics cleaned him up. So where did that blood come from all of a sudden? An "enhanced" video surfaces after the surveillance refutes George's claims. His father is a retired judge. He's no dummy and knows how to play the system. And again, where was the blood on the front of his clothing? Did paramedics Shout it out at the scene?
That enhanced video is not even believable. The blood is DRIPPING yet none on his clothes. Open wounds that the paramedics allegedly cleaned. But they didn't bandage them? Hmm. No bruised or bloody nose. Hmm.
And let's not forget coroner and mortician reports that Trayvon's hands were unbruised. No skin or dna under his nails. None of Zimmerman's blood on him. U cannot be on someone beating them bloody and not get their dna on you.
you are really confused. that is not a still from a video, that is a digital photograph taken by a someone on their digital camera not long after the police arrived at the scene of the crime. there is no video version of that picture. this picture came BEFORE he was taken to the police station and BEFORE the paramedics cleaned him up. but it wasn't released to the mainstream media til AFTER the police station video because evidence doesn't necessarily come out sequentially. and to assume the there is gonna be just a huge unholy mess of blood everywhere because of a fist fight means you watch WAY too many Hollywood movies and silly CSI tv shows. Blood has a delay time before it starts to find its way out of a beaten body.
Pardon me. But if he had all of that blood BEFORE the police station, where was it in the initial video? Then it just shows up again in enhanced video? That photo looks like a still of video tape. But if u say it's a digital picture then let it be so.
I don't use tv or movies, I use logic. If a person is on top of me and I shoot them, there will be blood and some will get on me. If my nose is broken, there will be blood. Oh his brother said he swallowed it b/c Trayvon had his hand over George's mouth. Where's the bruising if the blood was swallowed?
The blood is RUNNING down his head in that "photo". So it would have gotten on his clothes somewhere. That video showed a very clean George Zimmerman w/o a wrinkle or grass stain let alone blood on his clothes. Oh it was raining too. If he was on his back on the ground being pummeled, why isn't his back wet.
You can believe George Zimmerman was justified if u want. That's your right. But do not speak as truth things you can't possibly know to be true. Who's buying into media spins now? George Zimmerman's father did what he felt he had to do to help and protect his son. Understandable but there are holes in their story.
If he's claiming self defense and it was true, he would have tons of pictures of his broken nose, his bruised head, etc. There's one pic that doesn't show his face and is not supported by police surveillance video. I know I'd have many pictures to defend myself if I was facing murder and being America's current villlain.
And again, nothing was found on Trayvon. He's got to be pretty good to beat someone senseless yet not get their dna on him. Not bruise his knuckles. Such a neat and tidy fight/murder. Everyone emerged so clean after lying on top of each other with bloody noses, bloody heads, and close range gun shot wounds. Tidy tidy.
are you trying to imply that zimmerman decided to hunt a random kid down like an animal but call 911 right before he committed his gruesome murder?
and what initial video are you talking about? there is no other initial video. chronologically speaking, its the bloody-head picture, then the blurry police station video. and his back was wet, you can see the cop touch his back in the video.
if you don't think that zimmerman's self defense story makes sense, then how little sense does the idea of a man just going out and running after a 6'3" "kid" and calling 911 right before he commits a murder make any more sense to you?
I see u struggle with reading comprehension. Never said George hunted Trayvon down to murder him. I don't believe he had any intention of killing anyone. He was overzealous pursuing Trayvon and in the resulting scuffle, Trayvon was killed.
His father and brother declared there was no blood b/c paramedics cleaned him up. That was in response to people asking where was the blood & injuries. Then when the police surveillance was released they countered with an "enhanced" video showing blood running down the back of his head. None of that was in the unaltered video. They did more than enhance it. It wasn't even zoomed in any closer just had blood splatters. So I don't buy it. Didn't look wet or dirty or bloody to me. So we disagree on what we saw. But for u to outright defend this man and state as fact things u did not witness is irresponsible.
I have no dog in this fight. My gripe is that George should have stayed in his car. And the police should have initiated a proper investigation before media and public interference. That is all. Have a blessed day.
Once again Piers let someone come on his show and make stupid unchallenged remarks to make Zimmerman look better. There is even a plug to get money for Zimmerman. Why would you allow that? I don't care if Zimmerman is black. He profiled Trayvon, followed him, and than confronted him when he thought "they always get away". Finally, when Trayvon tried to protect himself from a crazy man who was following him, Zimmerman shot and killed him. Let's hope he doesn't get away with murder. Piers, stick to Hollywood interviews.
It's not illegal to follow someone, stare at them, or call out to them to ask what their business is, even if done for racist reasons. Nor is it the slightest bit illegal to carry a gun for self-defense, as long as he wasn't waving it around in his hand in a manner that would frighten a reasonable person. If the gun was hidden and Zimmerman was following Martin, he could legally continue to do so as long as he liked until ordered not to by a court order.
If Martin jumped Zimmerman and bashed his head just for being a snoop, then Martin is in the wrong. He was trying to inflict grievous bodily harm, and Zimmerman did the world a favor by getting rid of him. Who knows how many others he has attacked the same way in the "knockout game", as he bragged about on his Twitter account?
How could he confront him if he thought, "They always get away". You see the tape PROVES he quit following him. The guy says "You don't NEED to do that"... Then after a few seconds you hear the loud footsteps slowing down & then they stop altogether. Then GZ completely catches his breath and talks about when they will meet for some time. He affirms that, "He Ran". He accepts the fact that he got away. He has his full breath & there's no wind or heavy footstep sounds there had been before. Well, that's PROOF that GZ did quit pursuing the young boy. Now of course when GZ got attacked, he really didn't perceive him to be a young boy anymore now did he? It was up close & personal. So there was a completely different assessment of Trayvon's age at that point. From then on things were for KEEPS !!!
That won't wash. Listen to the tape. Look at the map. I have. You haven't. Get informed. Stop buying the media lie.
When you've listened to the tape, and looked at the map, then we can have a serious discussion. Up until now, it's simply calling someone you don't even know a "Raaaacist" as if that's the end of the discussion. Sorry. Facts are going to be required.
I thought Piers had more brains that the rest of the "news' reporters at CNN and would of figured out by now that the shooting couldn't of happened the way TM's supporters and the rest of the "news" media likes to believe it did.....Have you noticed how NO ONE at CNN has shown a map with the shooting site and time line of the phone calls.... every time there is a murder the first thing they do is show maps of the area with time lines to prove it was murder....NOT this time...could it be because they know it was NOT murder but don't want to let their sheep know the truth?
I'd like to see the video at the store when Treyvon bought his munchies. Something tells me he didn't look like a sweet young kid just getting candy up at the store, then stalked, profiled and hunted down by a mean old racist wanna-be watchman.
It's pretty easy to tell which people here have bothered to research this case, and which ones are happy to just go with whatever the media has fed them. And some of you guys, wow! Some of you seem to still be stuck on what info was available the first day this story broke. And I bet you still think it was Trayvon screaming on the 911 tape, right? When they were reporting it was Trayvon's voice, you all loudly proclaimed that he was "scared to death, screaming for his life".... didn't you? Well, now that it's clear it was GZ's voice, are you willing to admit that HE was "scared to death, screaming for his life?"
I'll tell you one thing about it... It SURE ISN'T the voice of a young child !!!
What?! You mean it wasn't a "little boy crying", like Mary Cutcher and her roommate said?
The most dangerous racist is one who does not know their racist! Anyone can be a serial killer, anyone can be a racists but no other group of people get profiled harder than African men – Accept the Mexican community! Are you serious about civil rights activist & marches? Really!! What do you think about the women’s movement? Anyway, read a history book or join us in reality! Google Rodney King. Or hey, Google black man dragged behind truck in Texas! Mexican-American harassed over I.D.; Oh, one more, Google lynching in the U.S. or bombings in Alabama. Now race relations are improving in the U.S. but people are still targeted because of race! Now I bet you’re one of those people that believe civil rights activist woke up one day and said,” You know what I want to do today?, I want to march on DC so I can get an education, play sports or hell walk down the street without being harassed by the police.” Grow up! Because the DA dropped the ball, innuendo set in & heat was put on the entire police department – not fair – this is what happens when people in power abuse it! exactly why the DA should not be able to resign!
"No one is profiled more than african-americans... "accept" (except) the mexicans."
Or muslims. Or jewish people worldwide, for the past 4000 years. Or, you know, just about any people at some point in their history.
On a slightly unrelated note, can we stop with the hyphenated americans thing? Why is it wrong to call someone black, but on government forms, "white" is a possible answer? If not it's Caucasian. No one in my family line (at least any within the past 6 generations) are from the Caucus Mountains. Likewise, not many black Americans can claim a relative from Africa in at least as many generations.
If you're born here, you're an American. If you've immigrated, then we can discuss hyphens.
And one more thing. Some of you seem to believe that the fact that Zimmerman has a racially diverse family, including ones he grew up with, is of no importance. I think you are completely wrong, but let's just say for the sake of argument you're right. It's of no importance... fine. Well how 'bout this: Did you not hear in the video that he tutored two little black kids? And do you know that those kids lived in a "rough" neighborhood, and GZ's mother was upset that he would go there? Oh, and as someone else noted above, did you know that GZ helped organize the community to demand justice for a homeless black man who was beaten by the white son of a local cop? Did you know all that? Or is ALL that of no importance? George Zimmerman is still a racist, despite all that?
Please help George Zimmerman defend himself from unjust prosecution:
This is hypothectical, yellow journalism.
Man, I don't care what color you are. It doesn't matter. If you try to further the goals of humanity in whatever way you can, be it at the personal level or the global level, you have my respect. If you are a divisive, chaotic, or discordant influence, or allow yourself to be manipulated by these influences, you can get the heck out of this mortal coil.
Lord, I can't wait for the singularity. Then it won't matter what color you are, or what gender you are, or your strength or size or beauty. Those are physical and can be manipulated. Intellect and reason will matter. Those who prepare for it will prosper, and those who don't will perish.
Its a waste of time to argue with someone Crump has already brainwashed. They can't get past the image of a 13 year old and most have never seen Trayvon as fully grown man. The ugly truth is that many decent people have hate inside them waiting for someone like Crump to give it release. Crump created an evil image of a heartless racist child murderer. An armed man who sees a black child hunts him down and kills him. Before you accuse someone like that, don't you think there should be some evidence to support it? Real evidence? Real evidence that there is much more to the story?
We just don't know how Trayvon acted, and neither did Crump, he made it up to tap the hate inside of people. Doesn't it make you angry to have been used by this man just for money?
Remember when Crump said Zimmerman was white and used a mug shot where the flash didn't show his dark skin? That is what this article is about, showing a LIE.
Do you honestly think Crump didn't know exactly what Zimmerman looked like, or didn't have a current picture of Trayvon? Its the work of a major public relations firm, same type of people that used to smile and sell children cigarettes with cartoon characters like Joe the Camel. They have no morals.
EXACTLY RIGHT! And I'll go further: Crump and some of the others (including Sharpton) are morally, if not legally partly responsible for the many attacks that have taken place around this country because of their LIES about this case. All the "Justice for Trayvon!" racist attacks would not have taken place were it not for the LIES.
They suspect Hitler of being part jewish, no one quite knows who his grandfather was. People can react strongly to what they consider a shaming part of their ancestry, in the same way as parents who reject children who marry or go out with people they dont approve off, so having a black grandfather would not necessarily stop Zimmerman from being racist. It would not necessarily make him into a Hitler either but if we are going in for conjections and doing so in a big way, that is going through all possibilities not just plumping for the first one that occurs to us, does broaden minds, all is possible.
Psychology is a strange science though there are those who practice it as if it was a question of punishing the badies and rewarding the goodies, badies and goodies seen from a very small minded point of view, like lets give it to alcholics, instead of may there not be an undlying reason for this, may it not be that is not that addicts merely intend to be vicious, as in vice full and to indirectly hurt their families, may they not have some problem others dont have that if we understood it would make us les hard on them, that let them off the most bigoted moral hooks. Like, if you read about the men who in the end came out about having been molested by preists, preists are not the only child molesters around but I learnt this in that context. According to the stories of these men, many molested boys went as a result totally of the rails, drinking and or running away from home as teenagers and ending up on the streets, they could not live with themselvces after being molested and ran away from their families, some of them commiting suicide.
The underlying reason for their drunkeness was such as could persuade us to sympathies with them instead of condeming them and might seem to indicate that the right way to treat them would be to reduce their guilt for an event in which they were not the manipulaters however much they may have been made to feel they were for maybe smiling or flirting with their agressors at some point, agressors are inclined to blame those they agress for their agressions, would it not be menester to spend time insisting they were good rather than by telling them they are bad boys for drinking, seeing as the idea that they are bad boys was rather what caused their problem so can hardly be an efficient way to reduce it.
We seem to have got in 2012 to a place where our psychiatrist are people with the uncomplicated understanding of human psychy of your proverbial village gossip and where we have economists whose idea of economy is to find excuses for the old, pre-modern time economy, which was that the rich take all, largly by underpaying workers and that the poor go hungry and hard cheese to the poor, they should learn to buck up, and somehow these economists have made this, which they call liberalism, otherwise called let whoever can take all, or social darwinism, a bad phrase because many may simply not understand what is meant by it, it is often better to explain something than use a name for that concept if your are trying to get people who have not heard the arguments for that idea explained before to understand what you are talking about, if you are just talking for an in-crowd it does not matter. They have managed to embrodier this, the idea of letting injustice take it course, in such a way that it has become so complicated that it is taught in universities as a complicated and efficient method of dealing with the economy of countries.
In the last thirty years, as a reaction to hippies and socialism, really hippies were the result of the former generations teaching, which was very liberal though those who taught the hippy generation looked pretty straight, we have been going to some very villagy places. Now it is wet to find excuses for such as drug addicts and wet to worry about the poor, the really smart thing would be to become like those countries we once so despised, inhabited by a few stinking rich people and a mass of groveling poor. Those countries we once considered thoroughly inefficient with lousey rulers. rose macaskie madrid.
It's sad this case has been made a racial case. It has never been about race to me. I don't care what race George Zimmerman is or if he has tutored black kids or sought justice for a black man. None of that is relevant. The issue here is that a child was killed and the case was poorly handled from the time the officers arrived on the scene. That's what I had an issue with. People are going to kill people. That's just a fact whether it's racially motivated or not. George Zimmerman's ethnicity or beliefs about race are of no consequence. Had he followed and approached a white teenager and killed him, I'd still have expected the police to investigate a little more than they did. A murderer was allowed to go about his business WITH the murder weapon. Crazy.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.His ethnicity has nothing to do with anything. Even if George Zimmerman is a "nice" man, in this case, nice don't cut it.
17 is not a child. In fact, this judge recently tried a 17 year old as an adult. And he wasn't unarmed either, the minute he used his fists on someone's face. What else you got?
I believe Zimmerman had racial barriers about his ethnic/racial background so having black people in his family background does not make it so he can come out of the closet now to get out of shooting TMartin... so what Mark Nejame stated on your show will not change the man in the mirror
Yeah, that is why he was one of only a few people who went out of their way to demand justice for Sherman Ware, the homeless black man who was beaten by a cop's son. He had issues with black people so he made an effort to go out and hand out fliers and write letters demanding justice for Ware. Yeah, right... That is also why he mentored little black children...because he had issues... Do you folks ever do any real research on your own or do you simply listen to only the few large media outlets who print lies and distortions all the time??
White people have no idea what it means to be non-white in this country. I know white women who have black boyfriends/husbands and have bi-racial babies with them. They still use the n-word. They still stereotype and make racist comments. Then go home and lay with a black man.
We are all racist to some degree. We all have our prejudices. We all stereotype. Please look up the definition of racist/racism. It doesn't necessarily include cross burning and lynching.
"Trayvon's father: it wasn't my son's voice screaming for help"
And watch the Youtube video of the NEWS report from the night of the shooting!!
This story is flawed. Self-hatred is as powerful as hatred of "the other." That Zimmerman has black roots does not mitigate any potential to prejudge anyone, let alone those who share his cultural makeup. File this defense in the I-have-black-friends file. It is naive, near-sighted and needlessly simplifies what rightfully is a complex matter.
I am from Detroit and there were thousands of multi/racial families in which many many of them that would easily pass for non 'Non Black' but chose to call themselve "Black" and struggled for the Black cause. Zimmerman, in all the 1-drop rules that I have ever heard would be a Black man. Look at the head of the NAACP. Put him pictured with a group of white people then put a picture of a group of Black people next to the pic of the group of whites, you wouldn't be able to pick him out of the crowd. So this seem like a Black on Black Crime where I come from. Hummm!!!
Your comment is Welcome!
In Your Story About Mitt Romney & His NOT RECALLING THE INCIDENT IN HIGH SCHOOL – Are We To Accept This At Face Value, Because, If We Are, Than I Would Be Very Concern About Electing Someone President Of The Free World Who Might Be At The Beginning Stages Of Dementia?
YOU IN THE NEWS BUSINESS NEED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IF INDEED THIS IS THE CASE!!!
I laugh at the Zimmerman's supporters, supporting a soon-to-be convicted felon. Zimmerman at the very least will be convicted for manslaughter and do 10 years as he was the pursuer and he did not have to exit his vehicle to follow Martin of foot. Now the second-degree murder charges is a totally different story but we don't know what kind of evidence the prosecution has yet. Jeb Bush has already said SYG won't apply here.
Awww, so many upset people. Little by little the claim that this was a racially motivated crime is being shredded.
Not again. You guys and your racial problems. It´s pathetic. You guys have a social problem and a gun law nobody needs. Work on it.
It is just another black on black crime
For thousands and thousands of years, people with dark skin have been bigoted against other people with dark skin. For thousands and thousands of years, people with light skin have been bigoted against other people with light skin. For thousands and thousands of years, people WITHIN THEIR OWN FAMILIES have been bigoted against each other.
What does it matter that George Zimmerman may have a black ancestor? Not a damn thing. But fools get to speak on television everyday. And other fools believe that they know what they're talking about. Nejame is an idiot. Let justice be done!
But it isn't ONLY his racial make-up that is behind the reasoning. He also mentored black children and was one of the only people to go into the community to get support for and demand justice for Sherman Ware, the homeless black man who was beaten by a cop's son. He wrote letters too. Most people in the community did nothing while he went all out to get justice for this black man. Does that sound racist to you?
Ok. And? I don't think he's racist but all of what u said doesn't prove he isn't. Racist isn't only KKK and skinheads. I've tutored black kids. Volunteered in black schools. I've also punched a black person in the face. And locked my doors as one passed my car at night. So what does that prove?
justice has already been served
You speak with the right thought. I am from Detroit and there were thousands of multi/racial families in which many many of them that would easily pass for non 'Non Black' but chose to call themselve "Black" and struggled for the Black cause. Zimmerman, in all the 1-drop rules that I have ever heard would be a Black man. Look at the head of the NAACP. Put him pictured with a group of white people then put a picture of a group of Black people next to the pic of the group of whites, you wouldn't be able to pick him out of the crowd of whites. There are athletes and celebs such as Kim Kardsian X husband and Tony Parker. So this seem like a Black on Black Crime where I come from. Hummm!!!
Maybe in ghetto subcultures one is expected to accept a vicious battery, but George Zimmerman was justly defending himself. Nothing he did prior to the altercation; i.e. Trayvon Martin hitting him, is illegal. Martin's age of 17 is immaterial. So is the race thing. Black folks, why can't you raise your kids right?
Why wasn't George raised right? He's been in trouble with the law before. Why weren't you raised right? Why didn't your parents teach u not to be a rude, condescending bully behind a computer monitor.
It is amazing to me how people are stating as fact what happened when NONE OF YOU WERE THERE! Do you believe George's story (told in an effort to stay out of jail) because the black guy HAD to be the aggressor. All we know for sure is that Trayvon was unarmed and George got out of the safety of his vehicle and now a kid is dead.
I thought that in the USA, there is a presumption of innocence. One must be proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of a crime. Justice is supposed to be blind and not influenced by intimidation. Zimmerman should have never been charged. If I was battered, I would defend myself as required, regardless of the race or age of the victimizer. BTW, there is also freedom of speech, even if it is rude. Calling Zimmerman a racist without proof isn't nice either.
I never called Zimmerman a racist. I only responded to your nasty comment about Trayvon not being raised right. Based on what? If his behavior and past is being called into question then that's fair for the killer too. And George IS a killer. Trayvon's past trouble have no bearing because Zimmerman did not know anything about him at the time. Not a justifiable homicide.
Anyone who is facing legal issues is going to have their legal history brought into question. Please.
We do presume innocence until proven guilty. That's all I wanted was for justice to be done. If Zimmerman is found innocent by a group of his peers then so be it. But this case was mishandled from the beginning and that's not right. I don't have expectations of George as he's a flawed human being. We all pre-judge. But the government is supposed to handle each case the same. The ball was dropped here. I cannot say if it's due to the race of the victim and shooter or if it's due to the shooter's family ties to the courts and judicial system. Either way there has been no justice and there won't be because this case has played out in the media. Goood luck finding unbiased jurors of any color or race.
And yes u have freedom of speech but just because u CAN say something doesn't mean u should. Nor does it make it acceptable. Your comment was uncalled for.
Misanthropicpeopleperson, if you believe that we should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, then why does Zimmerman need to be "proven innocent" as you mentioned?? Isn't that saying that you really don't believe in the presumption of innocence? The police had already looked at the evidence and believed there was no case in the first place. All evidence pointed to self-defense. They only later arrested him for political reasons because of the overwhelming demands from the misled public who were inflamed by false reporting by the media and distortions by the spin doctors (like Julison) and self-promoters like Sharpton.
lack of desire
You are a trashy disrespecctful person. Your comments are rude, ignorant, and unnecessary. I still pray that tragedy never strikes you or your family.
The bigger issue is that the police were the ones doing the racial profiling, as in it was the 911 operator who asked Zimmerman for the race of the suspect who was simply walking down the road to his house. And then again it was the police who so easily accepted the Zimmerman side of the story, and it was the police who had the disregard for having another black child dead as not worth any deeper investigation.
There is still evidence that Zimmerman did target Trayvon Martin because he was black, but the bigger issue is that Zimmerman killed an unarmed child who was not committing any crime and simply walking back to his home.
This claim that Zimmerman had some ancestral black blood from his mother is trying to paint some picture that it must make so that Zimmerman is not guilty which is an outrageous pretense.
Again...a 6'2" 160 lb. 17 year old is not a "child". He is a fullly grown young man.
Trayvon Martin was legally a minor, and he was not committing any crime and had no booze or drugs, and he has in his possession just ice tea and skittles, so yes indeed all of that makes Travon Martin at 17 years old as being just a child.
The admitted killer Zimmerman being 28 years old with a loaded 9mm pistol and being on the prowl – was not a child.
IF HIS HEAD IS SPLIT
YOU MUST ACQUIT!
You sound really immature
None of us saw his head split. He hid for days. No pictures that included his face or other identifiers. No medical reports. I'm not buying it.
Since u want to reference OJ, Zimmerman's dad's tactics are as sneaky and underhanded as Johnny Cochran. Having OJ to stop taking his arthritis medication so his hands would swell and the gloves wouldn't fit was a genius move. But a disgusting move as well. They've both paid for that as do all people who lie and cheat the system to get away with murder.
I don't give a DAMNED what zimmermans racial background is Dude is a LUNATIC and a PATHEIC LIAR! That was not him SCREAMING for his life in that 911 call and he has a history of VIOLENT BEHAVIOR!
No, he doesn't have a history of "violent" behavior. He got into a scuffle defending his friend from an unidentfied undercover cop. And the so called "domestic violence" calls from his girlfriend were dropped. Obviously, there was no evidence of anything happening. Women are infamous for calling cops on boyfriends when they are mad at them. I have seen it a million times. The media and spin doctors (like that Julison character) painted Zimmerman to look like a lunatic and I even believed it at first. But those stories were all untrue. It was part of an agenda to turn this case into a political issue and a lucrative venture. You will see that all the media are starting to backpeddle because the truth is coming out. Do some deeper research and you will find out that Zimmerman mentored minority children and even was one of the very few who led a charge demanding justice for the homeless black man, Sherman Ware, who was beaten by a cop's son. He is not the evil racist that the media first painted him to be and they are now starting to slowly reverse themselves to save face as the truth is starting to surface more and more in the public square.
His dad was a judge. Do u not think he knew how to make those charges disappear?
The only reason this case has not been dismissed already under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law, is because Zimmerman's lawyer has not filed the paperwork. The only reason he has not filed the paperwork is that the case continues to turn a profit. There is no illegal about profiling. Ms. Corey profiled Zimmerman. Most people profile someone at least once a week and a majority do it once a day.
Nothing ilegal about it when no one is harmed, in this case Z-MAN an armed man followed a innocent black teen based on break-ins that past reports claimed to African Americans and the results ended up killing an innocent black teen.
Also if it can be proven that GZ was well aware that following a suspect was one of the dont's thru a N-Watch program. that too might not be Ilegal to go a head and follow . but does show he knew better but did it any ways.
He didn't continue to follow him. He was only a few yards away from his truck when the incident happened. Look at a layout of where everyone was and the property involved. And if someone is stronger than you and has the upper hand beating your head into the ground and saying tonight you are going to die, you have every right to kill him if you think you are going to die. It is called self-defense. Self-preservation is the most important trait in every living being.
U heard Trayvon say "tonight you're going to die"? Zimmerman didn't even initially tell the police that. I never heard that until his father started speaking out. He was a judge. He knows what to say to substantiate self defense.
U accuse others of blindly following information yet you're doing the same. We don't know what happened or who said what. Initiating a hostile situation then getting your ass kicked doesn't mean self-defense when u resort to deadly force. If that's indeed what happened. Some witnesses said Zimmerman was over Trayvon so who knows?
Rogue valley Rogue You couldn't have made the Point any clearer I agree , It is the Color that is in George Zimmerman .Deep in side of this person he knows that he can't really say that he is WHITE . or Hispanic , However in most latin Country all of the people are white Even if the shade of the skin is Black ,Brown Fair Skin you're all white? This will not change the facts of what happen. By the way tell me dose Trayvon have the rights to defind him self . That wree the marks came from on Zimmerman.
On a snarky note, if this is true then GZ would be mopre like Obama's son if he had one...OK, that was baaad...
Please help me understand this analyst and his thought process. If you take the average ethnic person and look at his or her family lineage, I'm almost certain you will find a person of color some where in that family tree. The fact that his great-grandfather was a man of color and that Zimmerman tutored African-American childrens has absolutely nothing to do with the night in question. I have been intimidated by someone that looks like me in the dark. The situation put me on guard, but not to the point to where I was willing to harm/kill the person. In fact, I did my best to remove myself from the situation as quick as I could and then called the police. Zimmerman cannnot say the same.
Lacking Z-man coverage? If there was really a case, wouldn't the coverage be constant like the Casey Anthony trial?
Let's stick to the facts-an innocent unarmed kid was pursued and gunned down on his way home....!
But Julie, those are not the facts. That is the manufactured version of what led up to the outcome. Look at the real evidence and you will see that everything points to self-defense. He didn't hunt him down. He was only a little ways away from his truck. Look at a layout of the property. You will see that Martin had to have come back around from the other side of the building to confront Zimmerman.rhree witnesses (2 on the 911 recordings) said that the guy in white was on top of the guy in red who was crying for help. The guy in red was Zimmerman. Also, a 17 year old who is 6'2" and 160 lbs. is hardly a "kid". He is a young man.
A precedent has already been set in Florida. An older black man named Dooley told some kids to quit skateboarding at the park across the street. A young white Iraq vet (with his little girl watching) shouted back that there wasn't any signs saying they couldn't skateboard. Dooley went inside, got his gun, came over to the park and got into a scuffle with David James and Mr. Dooley murdered the white Iraq vet.. But he walked because of Stand Your Ground. This was in Sept. 2010.
Jeb Bush and the author of SYG both have said this case doesn't apply.
"What else ya got?".
This is reason ONE why Touré’s assessment of Peirs Morgan’s inexperience in dealing with the complexities of racial matters in the U.S. is so valid. The fact that George Zimmerman's ancestry is as diverse as it is does not an exoneration of him being a racially biased... it only makes it so much more profound. Some of the biggest bigots of all time are the ones WITHIN the same racial group. This is simply a hate crime.
Do racists typically mentor minority children? Or is that just to throw you off his trail of hate?? Get real........much to your dismay.........he's just not a racist. Find another tragedy.This was about assault and reaction. Deal with it.
I don't believe George Zimmerman is a racist. Nor do I buy that he's part black. And even if he was, so what?
I believe he pre-judge which might have been based on Trayvon's race. Or he just wanted to be a hero again. It has been reported that he has been overzealous and aggressive at times. He overstepped his boundaries as Neighborhood Watch captain that's not even recognized.
The question here is who was assaulted and who reacted. We don't know b/c we weren't there. One person is dead and the other is trying to avoid jail. So we will never know. Even if Trayvon was "getting the best" of George or "winning" the fight, deadly force wasn't necessary. And again, had George stayed in his car this whole situation could have been avoided. Why is nobody questioning why he needed to carry a concealed gun to Target.
LOL and people who say " I am not a racists because I have a black friend" can't possibly be a racists either . A Bunker welcomed Lionel in his home therefore not a racists.
Fact: You have not followed this case in the slightest.
Its easy to look at this and jump to conclusions. And we are a country of high jumpers!! There are those that when the truth is revealed, will not care about what really happened, and will cry fowl. Any time the media spins a story this hard in one direction.........you have to stop and think about what you are being fed. ...I like everyone else initially saw this as a case of profiling and vigilantism............but upon discovering the actual stature of the deceased, and hearing the witness/neighbors account describing Z on the bottom in the red sweater. Started to second guess my hasty conclusion. Facts are coming, and the race baitors will not like them. Bottom line is that if you put your hands on the wrong person............you may suffer consequences you didint count on.
You know no facts. About me or the case. U don't know me and u weren't there.
If u come at me. I am going to fight until I get u "on the bottom" or hurt u enough that I can get away. So George being on the bottom or getting a bloody head (which I question) is of no consequence. Like u said he might have gotten more than he bargained for.
I will say for the 100th time that I don't believe this was a racist attack/homicide. George may have pre-judged based on appearance. We all do it. Doesn't make him racist. Just cuz he's not racist and MAY have gotten his ass kicked doesn't mean he wasn't the instigator and wasn't wrong in this situation.
A person is dead. Unless he was being car jacked or caught Trayvon sneaking into his car or home, there was no reason for a gun to come into play. He set this whole thing in motion. I don't believe he pre-mediated murder but he's at least guilty of manslaughter. This was not insanity or self-defense.
Following someone is not grounds for violence. Legally carrying a weapon with a concealed carry permit is not grounds for violence. Talking to someone is not grounds for violence. Unless George was waving his gun around (unlikely given the 911 calls), he in no way threatened or assaulted Trayvon. Therefore, if Trayvon threw the first punch, he is the aggressor. If he is the aggressor, and managed to get himself in a dominant position (on top, controlling grapple, etc.), then he could have stopped. Choosing not to is excessive force; if the pavement was utilized against George, targeting his head specifically, it is deadly force, and George was within his rights to respond in kind.
Trayvon, at 17, was only a child in a legal sense. At early teens you start puberty, which causes the changes in muscle mass, height, and hormones to reach the state of adulthood. By 17, these physical changes to your skeletal structure, musculature, and internal organs is complete. Trayvon was also an athlete in a contact sport, allowing him to further tune his physical capabilities. This leads to someone who is more than physically capable of endagering someone, weapon or no.
A man attacked another man, and was shot and killed because of it.
SPOT ON. I kind of felt bad for Pier's when Toure jumped on him (and actually didn't watch the whole interview, just saw bits and pieces of it). But in hindsight, now that I watched the ENTIRE interview, Toure was SPOT ON! i absolutely agree.
Please disregard the "Fact: You have not followed this case in the slightest" portion of my comment. It was not meant to be posted there.
OK lol. I do not mind a good debate or exploration of a case. As long as it doesn't resort to name calling or disrespect.
I don't like people blindly defending or supporting either of them and not being objective. White people will never know what it is to be black in America and some of the insensitive comments here prove that. I don't ask anyone to go against Zimmerman, just to remember a child is dead. And it all could have been avoided. And because white people don't "get it" it's easy to say the black guy deserved it. That's your world so u follow that logic.
I also disagree with black people who jump to conclusions and blame things on race. Or harp on unimportant issues like whether or not Skittles has spoken out or done anything. Why would they? So stupid. But this case is emotionally charged. People have taken sides. The media won this one. They got another OJ story. Another Rodney King story.
We are all a mess.
To me it is as simple as this...........who put their hands on the other first. If George tried to detain Trayvon physically.......Trayvon had every right to defend himself with whatever means necc. And yes, when you are attacked you fight to win/survive, no question. Along the same lines, if Trayvon didn’t like being questioned/followed, and decided to react physically.........then George Z had the same right. So i question what you mean in your post by "come at me"... are you meaning physically attack..........or in your opinion.........is questioning you "coming at you". Just want to be clear there. What appalls me are those that feel like because George Z was following Trayvon...........he should have taken as ass kicking because he deserved it.
Coming at me means putting hands on me or making me feel unsafe and threatened. George demanding Trayvon give him answers was a form of harassment and intimidation. He had no authority. He should have stayed in his car. I soo wish he had. His life will never be the same. And a child is dead.
I don't believe George meant to kill him. If I were to speculate which I don't like to do, I believe he tried to question Trayvon and being a smart ass teenager or scared teenager Trayvon resisted. I believe George was determined to detain Trayvon (the "they always get away" comment) and may have been too aggressive. Whether he physically touched him or got in his face.
If I was approached or questioned or followed by an angry/annoyed stranger I'd run. If running wasn't an option I'd fight. That's a natural reaction. People are CRAZY these days. I don't even stop/pull over immediately for police. I put on my hazards and pull up to a populated or lit area. I take no chances. I don't talk to strangers or allow them to get in my space. I hate to be that way b/c I'm helpful and friendly by nature. But too many people have fallen victim to seemingly innocent people/situations.
We will never know for sure who touched who first. I will never believe that Zimmerman needed to resort to using a gun. Most of us who have been in fights have lost at least once. U take the beating doing your best not to. U call the police and let them decide if u were assaulted or if it was self-defense or mutual combat. U do not kill. A warning shot into the air. Or pressing a police button on the cell phone which he could have reached as easily as the gun.
I just don't believe in killing. White black or other. I'd defend myself but do everything to avoid killing another human being. Then again I wouldn't have gotten out of my car. I'd have watched and waited for the police not knowing who I was approaching and if they had a weapon or could overpower me.
correction....a young man is dead. 6'2" 160 lbs at 17 is hardly "a child". But I think you need to realize there is a lot more evidence out there including 3 witnesses (two of which were on the 911 tapes) that said the guy in white was on top of the guy in red (who was crying for help). The guy in red was Zimmerman. And there is no evidence that Zimmerman had ever asked or "demanded" any answers from Martin. In fact, I don't think he said anything to him. Martin's girlfriend even said she heard Martin ask a question first. So, it makes no sense assuming what may or may not have happened when there is no truth to it. Look a little closer at the evidence. I think you are missing a lot.
The GF said she heard TM ask " why are you following me " and heard "a Man" say "what are you doing around here" asking why someone is following you when they were following you doesn't sound like he was threating anyone. far as being on top only means the person on top was winning, and does not mean they started the fight . there might be a few witness but they didn't see who started what. maybe GZ made his gun known or TM saw the gun "of the man who was following him" the bottom line is GZ admitted he was so concern about the teen he rolled up his windows when the teen got closer to his truck. does it make sense a concern armed man getting out of their truck had their gun easily accessible? that what cops do when they wait out side for a suspect. they hide around a corner ( or whatever) with their gun in hand pointed down by their side . and it known GZ was interested in that line of work.
A couple of CENTURIES ago people had slaves and the country hasn't healed because folks just keep picking that scab and picking that scab and finally most rational folks have figured out that if someone keeps picking the durn scab, they don't WANT to be healed. And so the scab-pickers just get enRAGED that they can't get any respect, and the others just get disgusted at why someone wouldn't want to heal.
This might be an interested fact, but it doesn't mean Zimmerman is not racial biased against blacks. It's not uncommon for many people who are part black to be biased against blacks. They have been taught to be racist by against blacks by american society. There is even black on black racism.
Some of the light skins are racist. I know this for a fact. In black society if you look white to some blacks it is considered a blessing for certain things in life (work). But dark skin blacks sometimes wont even mingle with light skin. The more white they look and act the more racist they are towards them. The same goes for the light skin. Which brings my point back to something zimmerman said "Those people" which tells me he is racist because he never would of said that.
Look at this debate about hoodies. See what kind of support they are getting now! –>http://youtu.be/BWGmmTmw0Y0
So what if Zimmerman has black in him? Hitler was Jewish! Lyndon LaRouche, libertarian politician who espouses very violent views, believes in violence despite being raised a Quaker. And blacks on blacks crime is very common. How this man's genealogy could possibly be relevant is beyond me!
April, it isn't simply because Zimmerman is part black that people are concluding he may not be racist...it is just one MORE reason on top of all the others. If he is so racist, why was he one of the very few who handed out fliers and wrote letters demanding justice for Sherman Ware, the homeless black man who was beaten by a cop's son? Why did he mentor young children of all races, including blacks, voluntarily? Please, why is it so important to find Zimmerman was racist? I ask again...is the truth of no importance? Or is it just more important that we must condemn this man (regardless of his guilt or innocence) because it has to prove some sort of narrative for your belief system?
I will not watch cnn so called legal analyst Nejame again. This proves his bias, it doesn't matter if the man was sitting there with earrings and a bone in his nose, it proves nothing about GZ! Where did the picture come from, where was it taken? What are the people's names in the picture? If you are gonna show his mother's family, show the father's family too. I am disappointed in cnn on this one.
Branded, see my reply to April Wood. Same questions to you...
Ok, I’m writing this mainly for Misanthropicpeopleperson, since he(?) has gone to a lot of effort in his comments, and has been pretty respectful in the process. And so (unlike a handful of others) I don’t mind taking the time to correct you on a few obvious misconceptions you have. You seem like the type of person who is willing to listen with an open mind. I’ll put these in separate comments so they’ll be easier to reference. So anyway, here ya go.
You mentioned a few times that Trayvon was “followed and confronted by a strange man.” Nobody knows that to be true. The closest we have is “Dee Dee” saying something about that. But even she said the first words she heard when the two came face-to-face was from Martin (“Why you following me?”) So that could easily imply that it was Martin who approached and confronted Zimmerman, and not the other way around. (By the way, I have MANY issues with the whole “Dee Dee” story, which I won’t get into now, and I hesitate to even bring it up.)
And as to the “following”. The only evidence we have of that is on GZ’s call to the police. And that “following” lasted a grand total of about 10 seconds. He was in his PARKED truck the whole time he was talking to dispatch. Martin then walked toward him, then very likely circled the truck upon reaching It (more about that in a minute), and then continued past the truck toward the sidewalks between the buildings. It was not until we hear GZ say “He’s running” that he got out of his truck. He then started walking fast or jogging, whereby the dispatcher asked “Are you following him?”, and GZ said “Yeah.” Dispatcher said “Ok, we don’t need you to do that” (SOP, for the safety of the CALLER), and George said “Ok”. And based on what we hear on the tape, he had completely stopped walking within about 10 seconds. He then said, “He ran.” In other words, “I no longer see him. He got away, and I have no idea where he went.” GZ then stood there for over a minute and a half, continuing to talk with dispatch, During that time there is no, and I mean ZERO evidence he had ANY idea where Martin was, let alone following him. So the main point is, even though what the dispatcher told him was NOT a legal order, and GZ could have ignored it had he chosen, he did NOT ignore it. He STOPPED following just as suggested. Oh, and what little “following” there was was from a distance of likely over 150’.
I understand what you're saying but it doesn't make sense. Trayvon would never have noticed someone just sitting in their truck. It was raining and he was on the phone. He's a teenager. He wouldn't have noticed anything had it not been out of the ordinary. We also hear Zimmerman's car door open on the 911 tape so he couldn't have gone far from his truck. This leads me to believe he did not get back in and wait for the police. He had to be close. If he saw Trayvon approaching why not just get in his car and call 911 to escalate? If he talked for over a minute then Trayvon could have been home in that time. Why would he double back in the rain to confront a man who hadn't followed him and sat in his car? Cuz he was in his car when he called 911. Trayvon could have only seen him after he got out of the car.
My mind is open to any possibilities except what doesn't make sense. We weren't there. I'm not quick to call GZ a racist or a coldblooded killer but SOOOO many people are hellbent on making this the fault of an unarmed 17yr old kid based on his race, trouble he got into at school, and some Twitter foolishness that all kids do. I wouldn't want to be judged worthy of death based on dumb stuff I did as a teen. None of us would. We'd all be dead! The fact remains that Zimmerman initiated this whole confrontation then overreacted with unnecessary deadly force.
I wish I could post a map here, because that would really help. I'd just advise that you go to Google Maps and type in the address of the neighborhood. You need to zoom in to the east-west stretch of Twin Trees road near the north entrance to the subdivision. GZ was parked about 2/3 of the way to the east on that road. Martin walked toward him from the left. He would have passed right by him on the way to the sidewalk to the north of the two rows of buildings on the right. There are now reports that GZ said Martin actually circled around the truck "checking out" Zimmerman before continuing on. Listen closely to the tape, and you can tell when this happens. Listen to the voice changes, and you can easily tell when GZ is shifting positions and getting nervous. And only AFTER Martin has walked past ("they always get away") does GZ's voice relax a bit. And not until several seconds later, when he says "He's running" does he get out of the car. Based on time and measurements on that map, it is clear that at that point Martin is likely about to turn right, past the first row of buildings, and running down the sidewalk to the south. By then he would have a HUGE lead on Zimmerman. As GZ spends the last 2 minutes or so on the tape, it's presumed he was near the "T" of the sidewalks, very near to where the struggle occurred. So NO, Zimmerman did NOT get back in his truck and wait for the police. I haven't heard anyone say that. What most think he did was stay pretty much where he stopped when he finished the 911 call. And for some reason, Martin ended up back there too. Hence the whole belief in the "doubled back" theory. And if true, it means that it was MARTIN who wanted the physical confrontation. If the "circling the truck" is true, that even adds to that likelihood.
I know this is all confusing if you haven't closely studied Zimmerman's 911 call and the map of the neighborhood. But I have, and I've come to a very strong opinion. And I'm a person who, at first, believed exactly what everyone else did about this case.... but it turns out that what we were fed by Crump, Sharpton, and the media were mostly lies.
But yeah, I agree with you about the digging into Trayvon's past. Unless it is relevant to what went on that night, you'll never hear me slam him for anything he did. I especially don't like hearing that he used marijuana. My response to that is SO WHAT?
You also seem really concerned about the differences between the first police video shown and the “enhanced” one. “Wounds that big would have been seen in the initial video, but his head was unblemished, clear, and smooth in the unaltered video.” Do you wanna know what that “unaltered video” was? It was a cellphone video that someone in the police station took of a monitor that was playing a video of the original close-circuit video! In other words, it was like 3rd-generation, highly degraded. And you can easily, EASILY prove that to yourself. Look for the movement of the screen, look for the edge of the monitor being filmed, look even for occasional glimpses of the time-stamp on the original tape. So this “unaltered” video was VERY altered. And the “enhanced” video that the media was finally forced to release is nothing but the actual video, with a little sharpening done. Which is why you can now see what the terrible resolution of the first video didn’t allow.
I'd buy that if we were looking for something small or intricate. Assuming all u said is true, blood would still show red or dark on the video. I could make out other things clearly even his hair and facial expression. It wasn't a grainy dark video. We would have seen those big gashes and dripping blood. We would have seen blood stains on his clothing. He said Trayvon was on top of him. U can't lay on top of someone w/o your sweat getting on them let alone your blood from a close range shot.
I don't understand why people want to demonize a dead teenager. He would have had no reason to have contact w/Zimmerman had Zimmerman not initiated the whole situation. I don't think Zimmerman is a coldblooded murderer but this wasn't self-defense. He killed someone. I won't even call it murder. But he killed an unarmed person who was not breaking into his home or trying to car jack him or rob him or kill him. People go to jail for that.
For all of you who are so hellbent on insisting that Zimmerman was racist, I have a question for you. If he was so darn racist, then why was he the only one to rally the community and spearhead a demand for justice for the homeless black man that was beaten by that Sanford cop's son? He went to all lengths to get justice for Sherman Ware. He handed out fliers, wrote letters, and went all out when hardly anyone else would get involved. Please tell me why it is so important to insist that he is racist? Does the truth not matter to you? With regard to the "they" in "they always get away with it"...he was referring to criminals. It is so easy to throw in assumptions when you are blind to everything but your personal bias.
Thank you. I've been trying to post a series of comments to dispel some of the misconceptions about this case. And you just took care of one for me, so I can skip that one. Thanks. I'll just also add that Zimmerman was mentoring/tutoring two black kids. And the neighborhood he did that in is reportedly "rough", so much so that GZ's mom was very unhappy (fearful) that he would go there. Yeah... George is a HUGE racist, he is!
I don't think he's kkk racist but I do believe he pre-judged. U don't have to be racist and hateful to have disdain for another group or believe stereotypes about them. We all pre-judge no matter how liberal or kumbayah we are. Just because he has a black friend or helps black children doesn't mean that he didn't see young black kid and think criminal. I might do the same thing depending on the situation. But I would sit in my car and let police handle it. Let him yell racism and profiling afterwards, but nobody would die.
Zimmerman having black relatives is so irrelavant. He wasn't raised "black" and I'd like to see where he's ever checked hispanic or black on a form. His father didn't mention these black relatives when he first brought up the peruvian deal. He said George "knew" people of color, not that he was one. It's insulting that he trotted out his black friend to defend him and now these pictures. If he's black it was black on black murder so he's still guilty. He's trying to reduce the chances of being charged with a hate crime. It's a ploy and that's why I have a hard time believing his camp. It's his dad, not him. I think he would have done the right thing had his dad not been who he is pulling strings.
More for Misanthropicpeopleperson (or anyone else who’s interested). You said, “George was by his truck (according to his double back story) and had his cell phone. If Trayvon doubled back and approached him in a hostile manner he should have gotten back in his truck and/or called 911.”
A few problems with that. For one thing, nobody said he was “by his truck” unless over 100’ away is “by”. GZ said he was “heading back” to his truck, that’s all. And people can question all they want whether or not Martin “doubled back”, but it’s as clear as day that he DID, or at a minimum he HID somewhere along the double row of houses. By the time Zimmerman got around that corner, Martin was out of sight… “He ran.” So he had either gotten far down the sidewalk, possibly clear to his house, or hid somewhere along the way, or went between houses to the left or right. Hard to say. But what IS clear is that since there was less that a minute from the time GZ hung up with the dispatcher and the time the altercation started, that Martin DID either “double back” or come out of hiding. In my opinion as soon as he knew that GZ was off the phone. Yes I AM saying that TM was looking for an opportunity to confront this dude who was disrespecting him. Finally, yes GZ had his cell phone, and if he had the opportunity, yes he should have used it to call the cops back. But guess what? Some reports say that that’s exactly what he was trying to do… that it was as he reached for his phone that TM punched him in the face.
It doesn't add up. We clearly heard his car door open while talking to 911. I believe it's when he said he couldn't see Trayvon anymore. He was asked not to follow and said ok. He couldn't have gotten far. If he was walking back to his truck and was so far away that means he DID follow Trayvon. How else would Trayvon have seen him?
Everything you're saying is based on Zimmerman's account of the incident. There were no eye witnesses prior to the altercation and everyone is telling different stories. Not for nothin, Zimmerman is facing jail time. It's in his best interest to claim self-defense and make it look like it was. Nobody can refute him because the only other person who knows is dead. Self-defense and insanity are always the first line of defense when someone ends up dead. I can't buy his whole story. Sorry. And it's not based on race or anything. Just logic.
No, I know you're not basing your opinions on race, and that's good. I'm trying to do the same.
You said that after getting out of the car and following for a few seconds, Zimmerman "couldn't have gotten far. If he was walking back to his truck and was so far away that means he DID follow Trayvon." You're right that he couldn't have gotten far... only about as far as he could run or walk fast in a little over 10 seconds. And therefore, yeah, he should be able to make if back to the truck in a less than half a minute. But that is if he was, AT THAT TIME, heading back toward the truck. I don't believe he was. I believe he stayed pretty much where he was when he stopped running, pretty much near the "T" in the sidewalks. I think he pretty much stayed in that general area for the rest of the 911 call. And as for " How else would Trayvon have seen him?", I explained that in another comment which you've probably seen by now.
And as for "Everything you're saying is based on Zimmerman's account of the incident." No, a little bit is, but most of it is based on the 911 tape and the map of the area. OF COURSE I don't automatically just take GZ's word for everything. After all, he's got a very, VERY good motive to say what needs to be said to protect himself. I just think that, based on everything else we know, he is telling the truth. Would he lie if he had to? Yes, I have NO doubt he would. Probably anyone would. I just don't think he is.... based on ALL the currently available evidence.
We disagree. It's not adding up. And if he'd lie a little, he'd lie a lot. I can't believe some of what he says.
There wasn't enough time for him to go far. The dispatcher asked was he following when the car door opened and u could hear him breathing harder. No way he could have gotten too far unless he continued to follow after hanging up with 911.
Why would Trayvon even notice him to ask why he's following him? If I see a creepy guy in his truck lookin at me, I'm getting the hell out of there. I'm not going to stand in the rain talking on my cell to loop back to ask somebody who's not following me why they're following me. GZ even said in one version of the story he asked Trayvon what he was doing there and he kept asking him why. He then said (his father said cuz he was in hiding) that had Trayvon answered him then there wouldn't have been a problem. That indicates to me that he was aggressive and pursued the matter because Trayvon wouldn't answer him the way he wanted to. The girlfriend on the phone said the same thing-GZ was questioning Trayvon. He had no right. He had no authority demanding another citizen tell him anything.
Whether or not Trayvon was mouthy and defiant ZIMMERMAN STARTED THIS WHOLE THING! He had to approach Trayvon. Otherwise questioning him made no sense. Not until the dad got involved did this "he doubled back & sucker punched me" story come out.
We will have to agree to disagree. We will never ever know the truth. Trayvon is dead. Nobody saw the initial confrontation. And the truth will never come out exactly as it went down. The media has tainted this case. Either he'll get off scott-free or get a harsh sentence to appease the public. And neither is fair. Manslaughter. A few years and probation is fair.
Oh. And it was raining. Why would Trayvon just camp out in the rain to wait on a man who hadn't followed or approached him? Who does that? I'm going to go with a stereotype here and say black people don't do rain. Highly unlikely he would wait in the rain while on his cell phone to pick on a stranger who hadn't done anything but sit in his truck. With a gun. Going to Target. Zimmerman thought he could be hero again and it backfired.
Hey, this is a reply to one of your other comments... for some reason the "Reply" link isn't there on the other one. Anyway, about this: "There wasn't enough time for him to go far. The dispatcher asked was he following when the car door opened and u could hear him breathing harder. No way he could have gotten too far unless he continued to follow after hanging up with 911."
I'm not saying he DID get far. Quite the contrary. I think he got no more than maybe 200' fo 250' away from the truck (which just so happens to be very close to where the fatal confrontation occurred). And based on what we hear on the 911 call, it's very likely that Trayvon was already around 200' away from the truck when GZ got out of it. In other words, he had a huge head-start and disappeared from GZ's view. Which is PRECISELY why many people believe that TM must have "doubled back".
And a quick comment about the sidewalk, and how much GZ was actually getting his head “banged into” it. I think there is, indeed, proof that his head was struck on the sidewalk… on the very EDGE of the sidewalk. You know that odd, almost totally straight cut on the back of his head in that one picture? Yeah, what would you expect a wound to look like if your head hit the very edge of a slightly raised sidewalk? And no one that I know of believes that Martin had Zimmerman’s head in his hands and was just bashing it up and down, over and over as hard as he could on that sidewalk. His head could have been moving up and down no more than a fraction of an inch (as he tried to struggle out from under Martin, who kept holding him back down. I’m sure that would have SEEMED to a person that their head was being “bashed into the ground”. And THAT is what is really important. Not so much that the injuries WERE extremely serious (apparently they were not), but that George FEARED he was being, or about to being seriously injured. THAT is the key. And one way I think we know just how much he FEARED that… the screaming. That will be the subject of my next comment.
Nope. His brother and father both said that Trayvon bashed George's head into the sidewalk repeatedly and he tried to scoot into the grass.
If I'm facing jail I'd have hospital records, doctor reports and lots of photos of my injuries. When he surfaced he had not a mark. No scars. He tried to wait enough time so that he could say "oh it healed". Lawyer tricks from his father. The judge. But he would have SOMETHING to prove his story. Not one photo that doesn't show his face. Even people on Judge Judy bring a whole photo album of pics of every little scratch and bump.
exactly , GZ was treated at the scene, having his head pounded again and again would suggest to me there could be a concussion or a possible neck injury, also just minutes after this terrible beating GZ is standing up and on his cell as seen in the cell phone photo. also if someone is going to take a photo of the injuries , why not all injuries, ( back of the head and face) GZ claim his nose was broken seems there would be some blood from that , wheres the photo? face it zimmerman supporters the injuries were minimal. didn't require a hospital visit, or immediate attention. another thing I notice as time goes on is GZ gets shorter and skinnier and TM gets bigger and heavier. based on a weight chart a man 6'2 idea weight is 171-209. http://www.rush.edu/rumc/page-1108048103230.html ( check it your self) based on that TM was a skinny teen, and not a full grown man. like some people claim
GZ reported to 911 there was something in the teens hand , and he was playing his waist band . you honestly think GZ left his truck in the street and ran around buildings and blind spots with out being prepared for any surprises? if he didn't have his gun out then he was dumber than I thought .
except you don't consider that TM might of been in fear for his life , if shooting some one can be considered self defense, then why can't pounding someone head on a side walk be considered self defense?
Yes, if evidence comes out that shows that the reason Trayvon was beating on George was that George had the gun and way in the process of trying to shoot him, then yes, TM might have a self-defense claim of his own. But I highly doubt that's what the evidence and testimony is gonna show.
I've now tried 3 times to post another comment, this one about the screaming. But for some reason it won't post. Not sure what's going on... I guess I'll wait awhile and try again later.
eyemale... you say Zimmerman's injuries were minimal. Well, that will never be able to be alledged by the prosecution, because they testified under oath that they didn't look in to any of that information. They didn't even ASK the defense for it, as well. Seems like they DON'T WANT to know about that subject. How could somebody press charges when they didn't even reliably look in to the matters of the case? You will see it being thrown out. It's a racially motivated arrest. I think it was back on March 26th... Sybrina Fulton said, "The only comment I have right now is that they've killed my son & now they're trying to kill his reputation".
Who does she mean by THEY'VE killed her son... WHITE PEOPLE??? Nobody's trying to KILL Trayvon's reputation. They're looking for answers while doing a thourough investigation. Actually, it turns out he didn't have a good reputation. They're not KILLING it... They're just SHOWING it. Trayvon was the real racist in this case. Look what he called himself & the actions that he took. It's mostly what he thought about. It was HE himself who THOUGHT everybody was racist against him so he felt he had to be the way he was. But he was wrong. It was only his perception... the way he thought about things & the world. His own racisim did this to him. The racial CHIP on his own shoulder. Others have this same afliction... That's what got us here. Crump accused authorities of trying to "demonize" the teen. Trayvon's attorneys and family have said they believe RACE played a role in the shooting. Yes, but it wasn't GZ's... It was Trayvon Martin's racism.
I would think not having a medical report to back it says it all , the jury is going to want to see something, pictures , hospital records . and not just take the word of a person on trail for murder. GZ is the one claiming TM was beating the hell out of him, he also claim he had a broken nose. that something that only doctor can determine. if GZ does get a innocent verdict , then the FEDS go after him in a civil rights case . one way or another I thing Z-man is going to jail
Think about this:
When the 911 call with the screams was first released, the media, TM's mom, and most of the public were saying, "Oh my god! That's Trayvon screaming. He's scared to death. He's crying for help, begging for his life." Right? Ok, so now that it's almost certain it was not Trayvon, but George who was screaming, does he get the same reaction? "Oh my god! That's George screaming. He's scared to death. He's crying for help, begging for his life." If NOT, then I wanna hear why that shouldn't be considered hypocrisy of the highest order.. But if so, if people admit that Zimmerman was "scared to death", then the seriousness of his injuries isn't gonna matter much in court. What IS gonna matter is that, in his mind, and in the mind of the "reasonable person", his life was in danger. THAT is gonna be the key. Forget about "stand your ground". This is gonna be SELF-DEFENSE.... pure and simple.
scared to death? GZ already claimed he concerned about he safety before he got out of the truck , said he rolled up his windows when the teen was getting closer, but decides to get out and follow the thing he concerned about about.? does not make sense and proves GZ is going to say anything to justify shooting this teen. you have to remember GZ has already admitted he shot the teen. he has to show just caused cause for doing it . and when you have someone who says one thing , but acted in another , it hard to take anything that person has to say as the truth.
Yes he said he was concerned when Martin apparently circled the truck. But what's that got to do with the fact that he later got out of the truck and followed him? I think the problem we're having here is the definition of "follow". Some people seem to think GZ's intent was to "catch" or "confront" TM. I don't think that was his intent at all. I think he "followed" only in so far as he was inadvertently asked to do so by the dispatcher. Remember the "Ok, let us know if he does anything else", just a little bit before the "he's running" ? Well, so he gets out of the truck and follows FROM A DISTANCE, in order to try to keep him in sight, to see where he goes... so when the cops arrive he can inform them. THAT is all he was doing. He did NOT want an up-close-and-personal confrontation.
everyone who part of a N-Watch knows not to follow a suspect, that why it called "watch" you are informed that when you set one up. and GZ should of known it being the captain. but he was a wanna-be cop who was armed and made the choice to follow a teen that he claims he was concern about . GZ was lucky it wasn't an armed suspect or this teen had a few friends with him waiting in another location . that why the police don't want every day Joe's taking the law in their own hands. GZ messed up and because of his over zealousness a teen is dead .if he let the cops handle it they would of found out the teen was staying there.
when are some people going to realize GZ is the cause of this whole mess.
A medical report in and of itself CANNOT substantiate someone's claim of "who" caused an injury. It means nothing.
I heard Sabrina Fulton say that Trayvon had "swag." And I also heard her with my own ears say that she thought it was an accident. Man, they were all over her for that.
Zimmerman is nothing but s self-loathing punk who has never grown up. He acts like an Explorer scout still trying to earn his last merit badge, and Judge Daddy's approval as well. His father is the racist, Georgie is just being a good boy.
And where is justice for Marissa Alexander?
And just noticed something else. Just after "he's running", and about 1 second BEFORE we hear the truck door open, the dispatcher asks, "He's running? Which way is he running?" And then as he exits the truck, GZ continues to explain where he's running. Of course within a few seconds the dispatcher tells GZ they do NOT need him to follow, and he STOPS following. So it looks to me that he was pretty much doing exactly what he thought the dispatcher was ASKING him to do.
Nobody knows what GZ did after he hung up with 911. All we know for sure is that he pulled the trigger on his gun. The rest is unknown as nobody saw what happened and we only have GZ's account. He has contradicted himself more than once so everything he says is questionable. Especially with these "I'm black too" desperation moves he's pulling now.
I challenge anyone to come forth and say GZ has told them at any time in his life (before he's facing harsh time for a hate crime) that he's black; or even hispanic. I'd like to see census forms, job applications, and driver's license to see that he checked anything besides "caucasian". I'll wait...
Well on myspace he called himself " datniggytb "does that count?
This is the most foolish argument I've heard thus far in defense of Zimmerman. As we should not assume Trayvon was some how "guilty" because he was black, we should not assume Zimmerman is "innocent" because he supposedly has traces of black roots. The media keeps incorrectly stating that Zimmerman is Hispanic, NO, he is half white and half peruvian. This is not an "equal" minority to minority crime, (which if the media and these pundits are successful in making the general public believe, it obscures and takes away from the racial elements of this case-WHICH is at the epicenter of its beginning and end results). And no this that isn't "race baiting/hustling" its simply stating FACTS. People should not allow the likes of a Nejame (is he really a lawyer?) or anyone else to use this information as if its some kind of acceptable complete dismassal of racial motive on Zimmerman's part in anyway. WHAT matter's is what he DID and SAID (which gives us all an idea of what he "thought" about African American's) THAT night!
Anyone listen to Zimmerman's 911 call closely? Towards the end you can clearly hear him "knocking" on someones door. Could it be possible that he entered someones house (cut through) and exited out of their rear entrance (this would cut his running time tremendously and give him direct access to Trayvon)? Check out youtube's Zimmerman's 911 call (audio transcripts with ambien sounds).
Yes there is a few knocks , that also the point that GZ told 911 to just call his cell phone ( instead giving them a location to meet him) that is one reason why don't believe the going back to my truck story. another reason I don't believe it is GZ truck was park out on the street. the shooting took place inside a court yard ( roll of town homes) the same roll of homes that TM was staying. no matter how many people call TM a big thug they have to realize TM wasn't out robbing homes or this is a case where someone out of the blue attacks someone ( robbery) GZ was looking for this teen , and they ended up face to face. for GZ to claim he was surprised , attacked , and sucker punched by the person he was looking for is a amazing story. as a parent if I was told my teen was shot by the person who called 911 on him ,and ended up following him and had to shot him because my teen ( the violent thug that he is) just decided for no reason to attack his stalker, I be saying WHAT? some grown man with a gun who thought my kid was a criminal , followed him and ends up shooting him and then turns around and blames my kid for the events that took place. like I said Amazing.
Your absolutely right. There is nothing in Trayvons past (other then him being black) that leads credence to him potentially being violent. However, considering Zimmerman's past, his potential to be violent and aggressive is more likely. I never believed the "double back" theory. And if Trayvon began circiling his vehicle and accordint to his account began questioning him, we would have overheard this conversation earlier in the 911 call. The other aspect that casts doubts on Zimmerman's "Trayvon appeared out of no where and immediately attacked me first theory" is the fact that people "heard" two individuals (one louder, older predominant voice) arguiing for sometime. Whether a scuffle ensued is questionable, but based on the "evidence" the 911 tape of recorded pleads and cries for help (40seconds) its almost unfathomable to believe that this kid was "hitting" him at THAT time or posed a serious physical threat to him AT THAT time. What's even more interesting is Austin Brown's eye account (in which he saw someone on the ground crying for help), BUT saw NO ONE ELSE. In my mind, I picture Trayvon lying there helplessly because he was hurt. It could be that Zimmerman stepped away (coincides with the eye witness account) momentarily and came back and shot him. It wouild still be a close range shot if Zimmerman was standing upright and shot this kid while he was on his back. The evidence does not support Zimmerman's self defense theory. In fact where they "were" when this incident occured was no where NEAR concrete. Its absolutely absurd that people are still vehemently asserting that Trayvon was bashing his head agaisn't the ground. Its absolutely ridiculous, but then again, so are many aspects of this country. Smh
That is another thing , if TM was on top of GZ beating the hell out of his head on the ground, and based on the big thug theory, how is it that GZ could reach for his gun and bring it up and extent his arms enough to shoot some one directly above him or more in less sitting on top of him . TM would have to be in a upward motion or standing over GZ for GZ to have enough arm length to aim and fire at the teens chest.
Where is the autopsy report , are they not releasing that either ???
Just because Zimmerman is half black, doesn't mean he was right to shoot Martin. You kill someone for nothing, you should go to jail.
GZ wouldn't even be considered half black based this story , and I doubt he celebrated Black history month. GZ also had Latino blood but still talked badly about Mexicans. I doubt very much when asked GZ said he was white Hispanic or was white with some black in him. he might of mention his Latino back ground because of his mother , but that about it . in the beginning the GZ supporters were upset about AL and Jackson playing the race card. but ok to play it in GZ defense because he might have a drop of black blood . come on GZ supporters either race has nothing to do with it or it does , it can't be both.
If you look to the comments, articles, and other media presented, there is a difference. Of course you've got people of all extremes in any given camp, but it seems like there was a lot of:
"He went after Trayvon because he was black! He's just another white racist!"
in the pro-Martin camp (at least, early on). That's why this story got any media attention in the first place. But now, more and more evidence is coming forward that this was not racially motivated. This is the media's response to that. It's a feeble attempt to backpedal and say, "We never thought this was racially motivated," even though that was one of the main tags to every story published about it. It's starting to look like it would come back to hurt them, so they are printing these articles to try and lessen the impact. My prediction (with little to no real effect) is that if Zimmerman is found innocent, they'll quietly publish an article to that effect, then drop the subject forever. If he's found guilty, they'll publish another weeks worth of articles relating to the racial nature of the case.
It has given an interesting view into certain notions of tribalism and how they correspond to the modern American system.
What does having black in their genetics have do with racially profiling someone? Not a dern thing. I am white woman with a mixed black great grandmother. That doesn't mean I couldn't be racist or racially profile someone who is black.
Because Regina it now known that GZ was a soul brother LOL, so he couldn't be a racist, whats up with my homie in the hoodie , blood look like he is triping, better check little bro out, just keeping it real ya know whata I mean,
Nothing’s changed here A Black thug assaulted a guy on the streets, who defended himself.One less Black thug in this world..thank you Zimmerman!
That family member is an indigenous/black mix. And I dont mean like the black people who are really african and act like they are Native American. He is not even a real black person.
Nonetheless, I believe George.
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