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As the nation continues to grapple with the on-going gun debate, this evening at 9 "Piers Morgan Tonight" invites Ray Kelly to add his unique insight into one of America's most-polarizing issues.
The Commissioner of the New York City Police Department, Kelly points to nationwide firearm legislation as an integral factor in truly addressing the situation:
"We need a comprehensive federal policy about guns, and all aspects of it," Kelly tells Piers Morgan. "Ninety percent of the guns we confiscate here in New York City are coming from out of state. We call it the "Iron Pipeline," up I-95, coming from southern states, to a great extent."
When the host suggests that certain politicians may be voting with career aspirations in mind, rather than truly serving the public, Kelly condemns such behavior:
"I don't think it's too much to ask our elected officials to vote your conscience, that's why we put them in office," says the longest serving police commissioner in New York City's history. "We'd like to think that sometimes people are going to just do the right thing. I certainly think that's what has to happen here. There's still way too much bloodshed."
Watch the clip, and listen to the interview, then tune in at 9 as Kelly and Morgan further address the gun issue in the United States.
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Saw Steve Croft on the show discussing that very odd dual interview. There are several cabinet secretaries stepping down, so why would Hillary Clinton be the only one demanded by Obama to do a dual interview?
Also, I wonder why Obama spends so much time on 60 Minutes, and is afraid to go on Fox News. Could it be the constant softball interviews that he gets on 60 Minutes that brings him back to is favorite venue?
The interview last night was another puff piece? where were the hard hitting questions to Obama and Clinton, especially on foreign policy? We quickly knew the "tick tock" of the bin Laden raid, so why no "tick tock" for the Benghazi episode? what were Clinton and Obama during during those 7 hours?
The second amendnent draftees meant military weapons, and the obligation of everybody to have them and know how to safely use them was implied. The militia was composed of every able adult so the problem now is all us shirking our responsibility under the amendment. "essential..."
Piers; PLEASE go back the imperialistic island you came from if you don't like our guns.
why do you entertain such buffoon, Piers?
I assume the "bufoon" you refer to is Ray Kelly.....I was wondering the same thing.....He is on the front page of the NY Post today saying hanguns are the problem, not "assault rifles" which havent been used in any homicides in NYC last year......I guess his boss Bloomberg straightened him out before the CNN appearance since he's back to "assault rifles" as the problem tonight.....or maybe hes just kissing up to Piers like he does to Bloomie.
Piers keeps say that gun sales are being driven by fear mongering by the NRA. The explanation is a lot more basic, and it’s just elementary economics. Tell people that something might be harder to get tomorrow than it is today and people will rush out in droves to buy as much of it as they can. Look at what happened to store shelves when it was announced that Hostess was going out of business. People rushed out and bought all the Twinkies they could find. There’s nothing sinister on the part of the gun rights lobby, it’s just human nature.
There are heaps of examples of sinister fear mongering, propaganda, misrepresentation etc from the NRA.
In regard to the two policemen that said banning guns was not the answer but addressing mental health was:
The shooter in CO was in therapy at the time! Better mental health services will not work. Mental health workers and doctors will NOT report their patients for fear of being sued for breaking confidentiality. Bach ground checks alone will not work because of all the loopholes.
SO the ONLY way to keep these mas murder machines out of the hands of the mentally ill is to BAN THEM!
Those politicians and policemen and others that toot the mental health and background check are PROTECTING THEIR GUNS and feeding us the NRA line!
Pat, did you realize that our current gun laws are not being supported? That's right, from 2009-2011 the Obama administration and congress has only funded that law (NICS) with 5.3% of the established budget required to support that law! The ATF can't do their job of running background checks that are submitted to them because our current gov't refuses to provide the money which they promised! BTW, baseball bats are the #1 violent weapon of choice in the US. So lets ban baseball bats, right?
Just read for yourself.
Baseball bats would not kill masses of people in a short period of time!
..Pat....The last ban that ended in 2004 was a dismal failure that prevented nothing...and this is a fact not a theory...And even if there were bans there are still 300 million guns in this country with 10's of millions of the AR type semi automatic rifles...Bans are definitely not the answer.
I agree that the ban would not have an IMMEDIATE effect, but evebtually it would help. Do we give up just because there are already many out here already? NO
i can say from experience, most my life i had problems w depression & anxiety. i dealt with it the best ways i could.
when i started college, i realized how bad it really was so i started seeing therapists. they put me on so many different meds that kept making me feel very sick physically, & also made me more depressed & like a zombie or a vegtable. their answer was to keep upping the dosages & keep trying new ones every few weeks.
finally when they gave me prozac , it hurt my head so bad, the next day that i told them i cant do it any more. they said if i wont follow their advice then i cant see them any more.
then i found a new doctor & they gave me adhd test & found all i needed was help for adhd. i am know on adhd meds & my life has never been better.
thats the part of the mental health problem that really needs to be addressed.
Pat, Your comments make it sound like America is a little island floating around with no connection to an outside world. Like we all just stepped off a intergalactic cargo ship yesterday. What I'm saying is you have no perspective on anything; history, societies, human nature, statistics, etc etc. As tragic as all the school shooting are I do not believe the total deaths over the last ten years would equal those killed on the highways EACH YEAR because they didn't want to get molested at the airport by the TSA. 250 -300 . You sound as never once in your life have you heard of a life being saved in self defense with a firearm. This is a violent planet and humans have murdered humans for any reason from the beginning of time and GOVERMENTS have been the WORST offenders. What is it about that,you do not understand. Weapons don't kill people, people kill people. It is the chicken and the egg. If we are all "victims" of firearms, We did we produce them in the first place. Who made the first one and why. I will tell you why. To gain an advantage, power and control, that is what it is all about. why our goverment spends 53 cents on the dollar for "weapons" and for the last ten years has put them to use quite often.
If you could get these "murder machines" out of goverment hands, The nukes, ships, aircraft, tanks, bombs, mortars and who knows what else. Then maybe I would listen to you. Our goverment created half a MILLION orphans in Iraq. on a illegal war, based on propaganda and false information. Who knows why you will have to ask them . Look around a little bit.
what do you mean should we give up on? you know piers said he believes in taxation without representation? that China & Russia support gun bans for US citizens? tdo you realize most Americans dont think we should trust politicians or rely on the government?
i think you should give up on trying to take away our personal freedoms. there is plenty of countries in the world who dont have freedoms where you can go.
the only strange thing about it is that all the people in those countries are trying to come here because its horrible & way worse then living with the prices we have to pay for personal freedoms.
If we keep killing each other at this rate there will be plenty of room for the others to move on in and take over.
o god he killed like 17 kids with a rifle ban all rifles................ what about the guy in china who killed like 20 kids with a meat cleaver yeha thats right not even a single bullet ban all knifes retards at least you can see the guy with the rifle comeing what about the hidden hand guns?
Still no discussion from Piers and his gun control guests about the root causes of gun (and other) violence. We've had lots of guns in this country for a long time. These mass shootings are relatively new. What has changed? Our culture. Piers friends in the entertainment industry and Pres. Obama's deep pocketed special interest donors in Hollywood have glamorized and promoted violence. We have a culture that de-values life. If a baby is an inconvenience to you, it's no big deal to kill it via abortion.
Our culture is in the toilet, and Piers and the President don't want to hold their buddies in Hollywood accountable or reign in their vile products.
This might take some of the sting out of gun background checks: why not have a Certified Gun Owner License, which would be a photo ID issued by the US and would be required for ALL gun transactions in the US? Similar to the CDL, it would only be issued after a background check and would only last a certain number of years, maybe 5 years.
In practice the seller of each gun would have to report the exchange to the US government within a few days (7?) With some thought it could be done online. The make, model, setrial and CGOL of both parties would have to be recorded. Indeed, a smartphone app could record the CGOL numbers and gun info and inform the government immediately.
Historically, registration leads to confiscation. I know that's a phrase that's thrown out a lot these days, but it has historical precedence.
However, I suppose I wouldn't be opposed to such a licensing, on one condition (and people are going to call me crazy over this one): Restore the definition of "arms" to its original intention.
There are lots of vehicle operators licenses, and for minimal cost, you can apply for most, if not all of them. Standard driver's license, boat, motorcycle, heavy equipment operator, etc. So bring back the definition of arms as "infantry mobile weapons platforms," and license them by type. No more class 3 firearm designation, no more pre-1986 manufacture requirement, just let me get a longarm license, a sidearm licence, or an automatic fire license without having to pay out the nose to a collector because these weapons can't be produced anymore, or being forced to pay a ludicrous tax for wanting to own a particular piece of equipment.
I think this is a great plan. We can still get the armed society we want, confiscation will be exceedingly difficult with the number and quality of legally available firearms, and personal safety will be improved through school sponsored firearms safety programs (like the driver's ed program). We can encourage open carry, and remove gun-free zones, which have proven in the past to be less than effective.
Of course, no amount of law will stop a criminal or psychopath from inflicting a huge amount of damage when they go off; this just gives bystanders a fighting chance and the knowledge of how to use that chance.
Why do you keep having that Dana on your show. She is just a B-- looking for attention. She is definitely the rudest thing I've ever seen.
piers always chooses to put people on who arent good at debates or who seem crazy, that dont share his view so he can walk all over them & make them seem stupid.
the calm people that dont share his views, he always cuts them off & wont let them make their points.
the other day he asked some guy a question & the guy answered, then the guy said 'to solve this violence we need to'.. then piers cut him off & started ranting about something else...
piers isnt really looking for solutions, piers isnt serious about stopping violent crimes
Piers and Fienstein are the biggest gun salesman going.......its not the NRA thats fueling the record sales in guns and ammo.
I agree ... this might even be the secret plan to boost the economy.
Mario you are 100% correct. piers even let it slip that he thinks politicians shouldnt listen to the people the represent & instead do whatever the heck they want regardless of what the people want.
that is what he & others are pushing right now & that is why it is scaring everybody in the United States & driving home the fact on how close we are to tyranny & how these are days that all the founding fathers warned us about !
Piers, you asked your guests to tell you what they thought the effective difference is between an automatic and a semi auto w a 100round clip. I'm surprised that you haven't heard this but the difference is that the semi-automatic is much more deadly. Semi is used for accuracy and auto is used for supression and cover which allows moving under fire. Unloading a full clip in auto with accuracy is extremely difficult due to barrel rise and vibration(vision). Semi allows the barrel to drop back to proper aiming position before the next shot is fired. Ask any veteran who's fired full and semi they'll tell you the same.
This all depends on target volume. If the shooter is targeting a few targets with more than 3-5 feet between targets then yes, a semi auto would be better. However, if the shooter is targeting a theatre packed full of targets then a fully auto weapon w/ 100 round mags will be able to take down many more targets than a semi. Wouldn't you agree?
Mike, both you and Damon are right. Whether you are talking about a M-16 or an AR-15, both are capable of firing a high number of rounds in a short period of time. It really doesn't make a whole lot of difference, in practical terms, which one you use, the potential for massive loss of life is still the same. By the way, if I'm not mistaken, the M-16 can be selected to fire in either semi-auto or full-auto mode, and both guns can take the exact same type of ammo clips. So, this whole argument over semi-auto versus full-auto is just splitting hairs.
If you want to get technical about it, we can start talking about cycling rates and sustained fire rates. You may have a gun that can cycle quickly, but it can only do it for short bursts at a time, due to the overheating of the gun and likelihood of misfiring. This is just a simple fact of physics. Machine guns, like they used in WWII, had water cooling systems to keep their barrels from overheating. What we really should be looking at are the sustained fire rates of the AR-15 versus the M-16. I think they would be close to the same in that regard, because the principles of physics don't change.
thats why this who gun debate is kind of ridiculous. i just chat about it because piers wont have people like me on his show .
but the fact is America is about personal freedoms to do whatever the heck you want. any weapon you want no matter what it is, unless you are using it to harm others & put others in danger.
like how automatic machine guns are totally legal to own in most states, but piers keeps saying they are banned.
his show is really a joke.
Excellent point by both you and Damon, sounds like you have Military Experience. The point everyone is missing is time line of Sandy Hook. Police showed up at least 25 minutes after the shooting began. We still do not know how many shots where fired inside the school. 100-200-300. I will noit spell that out for you, but over that ammount of time, how many helpless children could be shot? Even with a 22. cal. pistol the death toll would be high. Timeline for Fort Hood, massacre, was enough to kill 13, and wound 32. Any unprotected area is a Target for CRIMINALS. Path of least resitance is what they wish for.
Piers Morgan on the target shooting range last night demonstrated a few things.
1) The AR-15 is a very powerful gun which can fire at a very high rate, even if you're a novice shooter like Piers.
2) The AR-15 is a very accurate gun to shoot, again even for a novice.
3) The accuracy in semi-auto mode is far better than full-auto mode, because it is steadier.
4) The AR-15 could easily be converted to a full-auto version by simply buying the necessary parts, which can be obtained legally, thereby making it a true killing machine in highly populated areas where a shooter can fire it indescriminately. Having said that, a standard AR-15, without any modifications, is more than capable of inflicting a massive amount of bloodshed in a short period of time, especially if it is equipped with a high capacity magazine (which negates the need to stop and reload frequently).
I do believe that guns of this type and capability, regardless of what name you wish to call them, should be reserved for the military and the police/law enforcement agencies. These should never be in the hands of civilians! There are plenty of other guns available for hog hunting or self-defense.
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also really proves the point that people having any weapon they want is not the problem (unless they are criminals or really crazy obviously)
many people have automatic machine guns & they are never used in crimes or massacres... because Americans arent crazy homicidal maniacs like piers & bloomberg wants everyone to believe we are
Although I appreciate Mr. Morgan's continuing discussion about gun violence, I wish that we would have some conversation about the gun deaths that aren't the results of rabid crazy people. Of the 30,000 plus people who die in this country as a result of being shot by a gun, more than half are either accidents (often involving children) or suicides. I think this is as profound and important a reason to look at gun violence as madmen with assault rifles.
your statistics aret correct. the real important statistic is that about 2-3 million violent crimes are stopped each year by people who have a gun. by leaving that fact out , the whole conversation is pointless.
the real problem is people have started relying on & trusting the government for almost everything so they have forgotten how to raise their kids to be good moral adults.
like adam lanza's mom. she had a kid that she knew had major mental problems but she let him have easy access to firearms. that is why this event happened in Sandy Hook & why she lost her life.
people who raise their kids right & who follow simple safety procedures like locking up their weapns, or like not pointing it at anyone, or always assume its loaded, dont have problems like that.
Everyone talks about having their guns locked away, out of reach of those who shouldn't have access to them. But let's be honest here. We all know that if an intruder enters your home, you won't have much time to unlock your gun from a security cabinet and load it up. So, most of the time, in homes across America, at least one or two guns are loaded and ready for use on a moment's notice. If they are not being carried on a person, they are stashed in a cabinet drawer(pistol) or a closet(rifle). So, access control on guns is not always what it should be!
I had the same thought about home defense. A weapon not loaded and in a safe is worthless.
well, if it has to be unloaded , if we didnt have to keep it in a safe then atleast it could be used for a paperweight
I guess I will have to put the loaded pistol in the safe and take out the unloaded M1A. At least then I have a good club.
I've heard a lot of pro-gun advocates stating that most situations are resolved with just the threat of using a gun, without a single shot being fired. If that is so, then just stop the sale of ammunition and let the people have whatever guns they want! That sounds simple enough, doesn't it?
haha almost fell out my chair laughing on that bcz i know u must be kidding..
itd also be a geat idea, because guns are sooo dangerous & people shoot them selves & people around them accidently all the time, we should just give criminals all the guns- so after few months they will all be gone by accidently shootings....
No, that wouldn't be possible because there wouldn't be any ammunition available, remember! The criminals will just have to beat each other over the head with their now useless guns, instead shooting at each other and hitting innocent bystanders. After all the dust settles we can then all gang up on the last criminal standing and beat the living daylights out of him!
well i mean if someone raises their kid to be so insane that they think killing little kids is ok, they should probably keep them locked because that kid was the biggest threat to her life at the time.
Why is that Morgan and some of his guests like Raymond Kelly use term "assault rifles"...The term assault rifle is an invented liberal propaganda term...The semi automatic rifles that are being proposed to be banned are not "weapons of war" as they are commonly called. And the bans that are being proposed are for the way these rifles look ..the cosmetics features and not any of the functions or the mechanics..these bans are bogus and a scam. The rifle bans that ended 2004 proved that these bans are worthless and prevented nothing...this is a fact and not a theory. There are many use's for these semi automatic rifles by law abiding citizens....and the semi automatic system has been in use by the public for over a hundred years. Morgan and the other liberals will think nothing of using the Sandy Hook tragedy as a "tool" for liberal agenda knowing that these bans would have not prevented this or any other mass shooting..The pompous arrogant Morgan,is only spewing his liberal ideology and not the facts,Our 2nd amendment rights is none of his business..and he should go home to the UK where there is the highest violent crime rate in Europe,and the shooting violence has doubled there since they put their gun bans in effect.
Once Dana starts talking the T.V. goes off. She just wants to hear herself speak. She is irritating and stupid. Not to mention rude. Why does anyone want to hear her opinion? Where does she come from? Please get rid of her!
CJ, I agree, but it does give insight into the mentality of some of these right wing pro-gun advocates. Dana is a air-head!!
Piers, a semi-automatic gun can be more deadly than an automatic gun, because the shooter can actually take aim at each target before pulling the trigger. An automatic gun often spray bullets and many will miss their target. I believe same as automatic guns, all semi-automatic guns should also be banned including hand guns, that are also semi-automatic.
Canada restricts the ownership of semi-automatic guns and hand guns. Automatic guns are prohibited and all magazines are restricted to 5 rounds maximum.
so if you want to live in a country without personal freedoms & you rather live in a country where a government tells you what you can do, why do you live in the USA & want to take away our freedoms?
you should try China or Iran, or Russia, heck every other country would be better for you then USA, or just a couple miles south in Mexico
Hey, wait a minute! Joe is exactly right. I live in Canada and enjoy lots of freedom, especially the freedom of fearing I could be shot at anytime I go to the shopping mall or theater. Unlike you guys south of the border. Also, we don't have a 'tyrannical government' either to worry about (not that I'm a big fan of Stephen Harper's Conservative Party, mind you)! We Canadians have found a better way to resolve our differences. It's called....talking!
well there is a lot more people in the USA . & most Americans do talk out their problems.
but that is a major point that people are missing. the reason why there is many problems is because people arent raised good & dont come from loving homes to teach them the right things to do.
but there will always be people that want to harm others so thats why we have a 2nd ammendment so we can protect ourselves & not rely on the government for that.
Piers, Here is your answer so you can stop asking the question:
The reason an average citizen is allowed to own an assault rifle, is because the main reason for the 2nd amendment is for the people to defend themselves against the government. What kind of militia has only hand guns? Think about what kind of weapons the people need to defend themselves against the U.S. Army. This is what the founders intended. A government by the people and for the people. A government always controlled by the people and a people that can defend themselves from the government. Now please stop asking that stupid question. You look like an idiot.
Piers, this is really simple. If you were able to go back in time, moments before a person was to become the victim (such as the teachers at Sandy Hook CT.) and you offered them a choice to trust the outcome of fate or pick up a weapon, Every single one of them would choose the weapon, even you. It's not so much the right to bare arms but more of a right to not have your life taken by someone else.
You provoke the question of the indefinite massacre of assault rifles if in the hands of someone who enters a movie theater. Yes unfortunately you are right that if anyone with the intent to do harm can kill 30 people with 100% success. Yes you are right that one person dying is one too many!
I have a question for you....If one person in that movie theater had a concealed weapon and was able to kill the shooter, do you not agree that lives will be saved? To me, One person kept alive is one life worth saving!!!
enough time given to this topic. People especially MR Morgan just keep repeating themselves. When this is the topic of that show off goes my TV.
piers has to be doing all this for ratings & to make money.
how else can so many guests explain to him why we can have AR15s if we feel the need or if we just want to. especially when its all backed up by facts & real statistics that shows his views are completely backwards.
piers still thinks that no one needs more than 7 bullets, even if you are attacked by multiple people w multiple weapons who have been scoping out the area to make sure no cops are around when they attack.
mr kelly, most of us already knew 20oz of pop is horrible for us, so please get onto real issues like what is the best bedtime for all of us??
i KNEW i shouldve been trusting politicians all this time ! everyone always said NEVER trust politicians & the government ! now i can laugh in their faces & say HAHA because its GOOD to rely on the government for everything including protecting my family & my community & my country!
i just wish they would put us all in camps or prisons so they can monitor us 24/7 because right now, when someone is attacked by violent criminal or maniac, usually there is no body around to stop them.
O.K people, your not going to get away with twisting any amendment around for each of your ( what you think is your translation of the CONTS. ) own likable rights and egos. We dont care you feel mighty with a big assault weapon. Your sad! All i hear is wanting to start a revolution, Seperatists mostly. An american suggest an idea to be talked about and voted on and you'll be the first to insight your anger and a riot or revolution, Hilarious. We'll come and set you straight with the U.S Military. How about that. This is the first person on piers that sounds sensible.
well Newt made a good point when on the show. the founding fathers wrote 2nd ammendment because they believed in personal freedoms & liberties, & thats what America is all about.
permitting civilians to be able to do things was never the idea, neither was relying on the government or trusting politicians.
the 2nd ammendment isnt open to interpretation. it says we we have the right to bear arms. thats it. you dont have to if you dont want to.
Thats right , the 2nd amendment isnt open to interpritation. You have the right to bare a Gun , with some bullets, not a granade launcher, or 50 cal multi machine gun. stop twisting your wants. Just like people do with the bible The north star
Technically, the 2nd Amendment specifies the right to bear "arms." Arms are, and have been for a long time, classified as infantry-mobile weapons platforms. This means any weapon that can be carried and operated by infantry, usually 1-3 men. That includes the grenade launcher (and even the heavy machine gun, technically) that you mentioned.
Remember, the 2nd Amendment was written when civilians had ready access to top of the line military weaponry. I'm not just talking about flintlock muskets and pistols, either. There were privately owned and operated duck's feet, blunderbusses, 12-pound cannons, and even Puckle guns. All of these are movable and operable by 1-6 men, are capable of killing multiple people very rapidly, and were completely legal.
Oh yeah, those founding fathers were big on personal freedom and liberties. How about the slaves then? All men are created equal except me because I'm more important than the rest.
i am not twisting it any way.
the thing about it all is that any weapon is ok unless you are causing a danger to others.
a responsible law abiding citizen causes no problems & thats why this whole gun debate is ridiculous.
there is some people in a free country who cant handle the responsibilities that come with having personal freedoms.
there are also sacrifices we all must make to live in a free country.
its horrible & sad when a violent crime happens but that is why we were given a 2nd ammendment so we can do something to stop it & protect oursleves & children , & our country if its ever attacked by foreign or domestic .
people should prepare for the worst unimaginable situation & hope it never will happen,
& dont teach our children we live in a fantasy world where we are all safe & nobody wants to harm us.
No you don't live in a kids fantasyland.You live in the country that loves guns more than kids.
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Piers, did you know the volume of gun sales over the last month based on a ccw permits ? because ccw holders are not subject to background check at time of purchase. So while you are spouting numbers of fbi checks, you are missing a much larger amount of sales. And please learn the difference between an ar and machine gun. Its been over a month.
Victoria, your the main example America is getting stupider!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Idiot1
the right to bear arms shall not be infringed! PERIOD! I aint letting these liberals tell me what gun i can or can't buy! what a bunch of BS!
My fellow americans. What would you give.......... Or SACRIFICE for your family, your children. Whould you risk your life tosave your child, your wife, how about a stranger. Look in the mirror. Would you give your life? If no , your a sorry coward. If so then why the hell wont you use your god given common sense and act in unity to draw actuall ways to limit the risks and odds of criminals and criminals igmorant to themselves by providing a weapon to an untrained individual with a gun ( not registertered), or a slaughtering auto machine gun to definitly kill innocent bystanders, Think!
Think ? heres a thought for you, do what I did. In 1993 I got so sick of People & Bill Clintons Gun Ban/Brady Act limiting my righjts while putting softball laws on the books to gently treat criminals with social problems , I got smart, bought a book "Financial Genius" by Mark O'Haroldson, how to really buy real estate, bought a Farm Out in Gods Country and for almost 20 years now have enjoyed hearing sirens ( mostly firetrucks driving by) about 1 to 2 times every 8 weeks if that. CITIES= WHERE THE CRIME IS ! I haven't dialed 911 in almost 20 years. :)
Unfortunately Johny Reb, cities are here to stay! If you want to live so far back in the woods, that you have to come out to hunt, that's your choice! Perhaps we can all come out and join you and have a rip-roaring good time!
well itd be cool to move to a large city like Chicago where guns are basically banned.
then we can all learn how to use & carry assault knives or assault bats, maybe even assault forks, for protection.. because the violent crime rate is 1 of the highest in the nation.
but i did try to defend myself w an assault spork once & it didnt work so well so i wouldnt recommend that
Vic is just another example of people giving us word of no substance. Really are you going to make a juvenille point. What about common sense? Vic would you give your life to safe your family, a stranger. Look in the mirror when you answer yourself. How about protecting the innocent!
It is amazing to me how the host, Mr Morgan, chooses NOT to educate himself on the legal ownership of firearms in the United States before doing one of hit pieces. Throughout the program he refered to the ban on machine guns as a justification to restrict semi automatic weapons and high capacity magazines. Under federal law machine guns (fully automastic weapons) are LEGAL to own in this nation, there is no federal ban on ownership of them as he repeatedly stated throughout the program. Please check your facts. Some states do impose restrictions or outright bans, but under federal law they are legal to own provided an ATF background check is passed and the appropriate taxes paid.
The arguement made by Mr Morgan during the program was that certain firearms shgould be banned based upon the "destructive potential" they have because under federal law machine guns (great destructive potential) are already banned, which is incorrect.
I would laso like a definition of "assault handgun" which is a new term coined by one of his guests!!!
piers really does not care about stopping violent crime.
i could understand being ignorant on the issue , but after facts are brought in , over & over again, & he still wants to keep saying th same things over & over, then he isnt caring.
he either wants ratings, or he is trying to help others push their agenda of disarming us & taking away our freedoms.
nobody assaults people with these rifles except a couple people & cops.
guns are neccessary & always have been & always will be until a better weapon is invented for protection.
why would he ever care if anyone has a rifle or handgun if they arent hurting others with it?
why do i need an AR15? its none of his business really.
why doesnt he feel the need to have one? i dont care if he has 1 or not.
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yea its really interesting considering the only reason i can imagine people started calling them 'assault' rifles is because they see police assaulting people with them everyday.
u would think a rifle would have to be used for assaulting people to get the name assault rifle but i guess not xcept the police use it for that
its sad that the 1 thing that should bring us all together, the 2nd ammendment, is dividing us.
we were all given the right & there is no other way to stop a violent criminal unless u have training & a gun (until a better weapon is invented)
this should all bring our communities together. forget our other differences, our religions, our cultures, our races, ect. we should be training together, at the range together, getting to know each other while learning together how to protect our nation & our children from whoever wishes to attack us & do us harm
That is what milwaukee police chief tired to do with his community he got blasted for it.
its only the media & some politicians that will blast him for this. the people who talk about 'common sense' things we can do that really make everyone more vunerable.
atleast most Americans realize the only way to stop a violent crime while in progress is to have a gun & training.
also its good most Americans still realize its not good to trust & rely on the government for anything.
Piers is really ignorant of the facts. If he would have his staff check the law he would discover that machine guns are legal to own in almost all states. You have to file the correct forms and get the background check then you pay your money and they issue you the tax stamp. You can buy a fully automatic crew served weapon if you want one !!!
i am waiting for someone to make that point!
u can get 1 if you can afford to play all the ATF fees & costs about $5000...so only rich people can have them
Piers, i hope you read this so you get your answer:
Why do I need an AR15
its none of your business.
mind your own business. im not doing anything illegal with it so get over it.
I would ask Piers to please ask this question. Mental health is a main argument of the pro-gun lobby. If person 1 lives with someone who is evaluated as dangerous to possess a firearm, does that mean person 1 should not be allowed to buy a gun ?
2. Would gun lockup be mandated ?
3. Should psychological exams be mandatory before getting a gun permit.
Thank you for asking the questions about automatic weapons.
the government shouldnt really be the ones permitting anyone to do anything. thats how stuff has gotten so bad.
if people know some1 close to them is mentally unstable then they should take some personal responsibilty to get the person help & make sure they dont get access to weapons. & if the mentally unstable person has weapons, they should make sure they get them away from that person.
people are getting too used to the government telling them what they can & cant do-they are not learning or they are forgetting how to control simple things in their life like a mentally unstable person
Hi, what about if you see them on TV? Alex Jones and Wayne Lapierre appear to be in need of straight jackets.
its easy to hate on others & put them down, thats also how people like adam lanza started hating the world so much.
so how would you stop a maniac who comes into school & tries to murder defenseless children? rich people hire armed security to protect their kids, so if thats wrong then what do you think is better?
are you going to dress them in superman outfits so the bullets bounce off them?
Yes it's very easy in the case of Alex Jones and Wayne Lapierre and the evil NRA with their big fat lies.
U.S. Gun Debate, Mobbing and Organized Crime
Q. Piers, how long do you think it will be before the mob abuses another citizen, tries to corner him through homelessness, and manipulates him to "hit back at society" through a rage shooting or massacre to advocate gun control?
Q. Piers, how long before the mob targets another citizen, abuses him with energy assault weapons, powerful radar aimed at inflicting deadly cancers through bone marrow damage, cell damage, inflammation, lung scars, etc. and manipulate him into killing another Federal judge and Senator to advocate gun control?
Q. Piers, how long before the mob targets another citizen, convinces him that people are on the Hook in New Jersey following Hurricane Sandy and ignored while they suffer in the cold, and that if he commits a massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary with his brothers license from New Jersey it will make this injustice visible, to advocate gun control?
"The reason you find so many of us very reluctant to go down this road is we believe each step down this road leads to the next step and the next step and the next step," said the former Speaker of the House. "We actually think the Second Amendment is central to our liberties, .. "
Piers, I think he's on to the British.
British regimes subjugate the population by first disarming them, and through corruption and organized crime. They use homelessness and an assault weapon to do it, cancer causing powerful radar assault weapons, their "mob" and secret police. It is hidden through homelessness, censorship, and sickness, deadly cancers.
They are using organized crime to commit acts of terror to advocate gun control, I know.
U.S. vs. U.K. (Canada)
The 2nd Amendment is about a well armed population deters dictatorships and tyranny. (freedom)
The U.K. advocates a defenseless population and uses a cancer causing assault weapon on targeted citizens, censorship, and homelessness. (hidden dictatorship and tyranny)
Killing millions of Jews Germany, gassing Kurds Iraq, energy assaults weapons, powerful radar to inflict deadly cancers in Canada and British regimes.
Morgan got his ass handed to him last night. He couldn't counter anything that former Ohio politician said and to top it off Morgan believes that a representative should not vote according to the will of the people who got them elected? what the hell. damn brit.. That's why they are there; to REPRESENT the people not their own personal views. Guy from Ohio eyes got wide when morgan said that to. LOL assault pistol? yeah just what we need; more ignorant people trying to pass laws about subjects they know nothing about. Your want gun control? they show me you're educated on the subject first then i'll listen, otherwise shut the hell up.
yea i couldnt believe that. piers showed an all time low at that point. then he cut the guy off & made some dumb comment. but that is the bottom line of it all. most americans know piers is wrong & totally backwards.
taxation w/out representation is what piers is recommending?
thats why alex jones got so mad because that is why we need weapons to protect against tyranny!
Is that why Alex got mad? It just looked like he got mad because he is mad.
I am part of the "evil" NRA, retired metro area cop, father of 4, married to the same beautiful lady for 39 years. I have 7 grandchildren and my heart aches for the victims @ Sandy Hook. The legislation you and frankenstein are proposing already exists in Kali, DC, Chicago – all high crime. This is an agenda to bring us back under a King George rule, peasants without guns – not the "AR15"...what a joke...you got your butt kicked by a 22 year old girl the other night because she knows actual world reality. We will not retreat. I suggest that you wear a white wig and a redcoat on your next show.
We are grouping several totally different and unrelated problems here with totally different causes. Let me just point out a few. Suicides with a gun are caused by depression, gang violence is caused by something else, and mass shootings are a totally different animal. Unless I am mistaken, the first two are the majority of the gun deaths. So, in the end, an AWB does nothing to stop the majority of gun deaths in America. Let’s take the next step. Let’s ban all semi-automatic weapons. We can all run out and celebrate? The results of the deaths by gun violence still don’t change for the two major causes of death. The mass shootings are now using revolvers or something much worse, but that accounts for only a handful of deaths. So we need to focus at least as much attention on the “WHY” as we have been focusing on the “HOW”. Anything short of that will fail.
so you are suggesting criminals should dictate what we are allowed to do?
America was built on personal freedom so maybe you should move to a different country if you arent willing to make any sacrifices like we always have had to do so we could have personal freedom.
So you are suggesting that I’m not willing to give up personal freedoms for freedom? What sacrifice do you want me to make? I am saying that while everyone is focused on how a suspect committed a crime, the next Adam Lanza is planning is mass killing. We can try to make sure he doesn’t have an AR, but he is still going to show up and kill a bunch of kids. I will not accept anything short of a solution that stops him before he gets there. I don’t want a gun fight in the school to save the day. I don’t want to keep spend all our time trying to change the past so that the future is another guy killing kids with a different weapon. You must have not read what I said, or you are pro-gun maybe anti-gun, I have no idea. I am anti just waiting for the next nut job to show up and kill a bunch of kids. So take your pro-gun or anti-gun agenda and set it aside to figure out how avoid the next Adam Lanza. He is coming and we all know it and it seems this entire debate is to make sure he doesn’t have an AR-15 when he gets there. It isn’t going to make any difference to all the dead kids.
i mean the sacrifices we have to make to live with personal freedom is:
1. live with horrible events that rarely ever happen like the sandy hook school shooting
2.exercise your 2nd ammendment & learn to train & carry a weapon so you can protect the kids if something like that happens around you
I understand 1 and based on the rare event, I don't want to go with 2 because gun exposer increased danger. That is why I don’t think this is a gun problem anymore than I think it is a gun solution. It is time to focus on what is creating these violent young men.
i understand how you can feel that way & im not trying to put you down. its totally fine to feel uneasy around guns & thats good because they should be treated with the most repsect & as safely as possible. no1 can forget when they have a gun, what it is capable of.
i dont know your background & age, but i did see posted recently online, a 1995 video of eric holder saying the government needs to start 'brainwashing' people to think guns are bad & dangerous. that helped me understand why so many younger people today think that way.
the reality of it is, for example with me, i have a carry permit & carry my pistol everywhere. i train & was taught by ex police, so in reality if you were with me, you should feel the safest you ever feel because no body could harm you.
thats what the NRA president was talking about when he said there has to be good guys with guns at schools. however, people are now teaching thir kids that is scarey & not good for a learning environment. but its reality thats the only way to keep the kids safe because there will always be a few people who want to harm us & we have to have a way to stop them.
you can google that video, its very ironic since he was the guy in charge of giving guns to mexican cartels to 'trace them' ... they have another agenda, its to disarm the public.
if a violent criminals is trying to attack you & you dont have a gun(or training in karate or some other weapon ect) , then there is no way to stop them & that is just the way it is.
Read my post again. I am not against gun in the post. I don’t think the gun is the problem or the solution. Yes, once the bad guy gets there we need to shoot them, but it seems better to investigate why the bad guy was there in the first place. This is getting more common and something in our society besides guns is causing this type of behavior. I also carry a weapon and own many, but the Sandy Hook tragedy isn’t about guns. What made Adam a mass killer? The solution is there, not in the gun.
i agree with you. these problems could be avoided & there is many ways to solve these problems that have nothing to do with guns.
I don't mean to be off topic. I just look at the bigger picture and it Scares me. Our tech. has advanced at light speed yet we are the same ol humans at the control. If we don't want to exterminate ourselve and end up on the universal Darwins list, then something has to change. We are intelligent, our brains are computers. We just don't sync. The question is how do we evolve, How do we have a rational dialog an come to a mutally acceptable conclusion. Right now all we have is a circus. Why can we not marry modern electronics with ancient reasoning to produce a platform void of ego, pride,hate, fear, confusion, profit, . A platform no one "owns" where the only benefit is the outcome produced.
well no matter how advanced everything gets, some things will probably never change. there will probably always be some people out there who dedicate thier who lives to ruining what we have here. they want power & money & dont care about other people.
there are people who for generations have been trying to figure out how to inflitrate our government & take it over. sad but true
True NorthStar, Still though we can today do amazing things with computers, why can we not develope a platform to analyse Language. A platform no one owns but all benefit from, strip out the ego, pride, fallicies, hate, profit, etc. just reasoned results. Politician would look like witch doctors do today
Jackie, Glad to hear that I think you understand what I am talking about. If so you will probably be the first. I have pitched this to friends family, the smartest guy from H.S. to no avail. I have seen postings like this go on for 1,000 postings yet nothing was really "created" no results that you could go back to later and add to or review. Think sunday school where everything is forgotten a week later and if you go back in two years they will have the same lesson again.
The argument has become to polarized around the AR-15 and we all quit working the problem.
Bing Epistemology, a science not utilized because there is no platform for it. A needed solution for the war of words humans egage in.
Who is Piers Morgan to be calling anyone a coward? He is the biggest coward I have ever seen. I've watched his show exactly 3 times and, that is the last time.
yea u cant get much more cowarderly then wanting the government to protect you & your family from criminals instead of wanting to protect your loved ones yourself.
a couple nuts out of 350 million people murder someone with a gun & he is so scared that he wants to ban all guns. LAME
See if this rings a bell then go buy a book on FALLACIES. Dirty Trick # 1 Accuse your opponent of doing whtat he is accusing you of doing – The Shapiro segment.
those are so true about pierce. he is always treating people like crap who have a different view them him. be insults their intelligence by asking questions everyone already knows the answers too.
& the way he treats women is on a whole nother level .
. wow , he must HATE women !!!
D. T. #3 Appeal to Authority
# 4 Appeal to Experience
My appologies, but I spent a lot of time putting these all in one post twice and both times it did not show.
Dirty Trick # 5 Appeal to fear
# 6 Appeal to Pity ( or sympathy ) # 7 Appeal to popular passion #9 Assume a posture of Righteousness
# 10 Attack the person ( and not the argument ) #11 Beg the question – One easy way to prove a point is to assume it in the first place.
#12 Call for perfection # 13 Create a False Dilemma #14 Devise Analogies (and metaphors ) That support your view ( even if they are misleading or "false")
#15 Question your opponents conclusions # 16 Create Misgivings : where there is smoke there is fire
# 18 Deny or Defend inconsistencies, #19 Demonize his side, sanitize yours #21 Flatter your Audience
#23 Ignore the Evidence #24 Ignore the main point #25 Attack Evidence
#26 Insist loudly on a minor Point – Sorry but this has Piers written all over it. – #30 Make your opponent look ridiculous #32 Raise nothing but objections #33 Rewrite history ( have it your way )
# 34 Seed your vested Interest – The manipulator attacks his opponents motivation, but insist that his motives are pure
# 35 Shift the Groung
#36 Shift the Burden of proof
#43 Throw in some Statistics – Manipulators quote statistics in their favor, even if the source is questionable. Their Audience is usallly impressed.
#44 Use double Standards
still everyone is living in a fantasy world now & thinks there is other ways to stop a violent criminal besides having a gun & training, why dont we all get superman outfits to protect us from bullets ?
#35 above is Shift the Ground, not groug – When the manipulator senses he is losing ground, he does not give in. He shifts the ground to something else.
This is not just Piers, This to me is what makes up American " Journalism " know your enemy
Get educated, buy a book on Fallacies, Research Epistemology, If you have computer experience do us all a favor and write a program that will identify Fallacies from a transcript. Or mayby a program that will isolate reasoned arguments from all the fluff, like the postings for example. Hey maybe you will save the planet from human ignorance.
the video just posted on worldstar shows a mob of 27 attacking 3 people. is that enough evidence for you pierce on why someone may need a rifle or atleast 30 rounds of ammo??
or u just guna ignore that too... wow whata loser pierce is, just look at his goofy pic on the bottom of this page... wierdo
exactly!! sometimes 10 bullets are not enough.
Commissioner Kelly's observation tha t "the Second Amendment is here to stay" is not only misguided (along with plenty of other commentators, including the president) it continues to mislead the public and encourage the dedicated gun advocates. The current Supreme Court chickened out and followed previous Copurt precedents – inapplicable as they were – to leave us all twisting in the wind. The 2nd Amensdment, as stated, pertained only to a "well-regulated
miliitia, " leaving no room for any other reason for its existence. it was a sunset provision, and shouild be ignored.
You mean "The dedicated self defense advocates" The supreme court "chickeded out" following the previous court precedents whom I assume also "chickened out" Quite a stretch Sunset proviion? Does it have a little sunshine symbol next to it?
"no other reason for it's existence" ? What is it about Goverment insanity and Tyranny that you do not understand, " Leave us all twisting in the wind" What is it about Goverments killing over 100,000,000 in the last Century that does not register.
You people cannot win because you don't make any sense. Everytime you post something we will post something better which does make sense, if you think about it and understand the word "context". All you are doing is creating a learning experience for those who may not have a grasp on all the facts. I think days of nonsense clothed in lies and ridicule are over.
piers is obviously on something else because he has guests on the show like the pastor the other day who said we shouldnt have bullets that are designed to explode in a body (hollow points).
hello?? they do that to make them safer so they dont travel through the criminal & hit somebody behind them. they also are designed to explode on inpact so they dont go through walls as easily or bounce of things like pavement.
this show is a total joke & piers is a hack journalist
NRA chief says that mental illness needs to be addressed. So how many gun owners now have the mental illness that we know? So there must be a law that requires all gun owners register their gun ownership along with a proof of the mental wellness from a psychiatrist annually?
most people would probably agree that registering would be helpful except for 1 of the most important things to remember is that in every case in history, registration was the 1st thing done in the name of public safety, then following that was confiscation & then dictatorship.
no joke. literally every time a dictator came into power, that was the exact way it went.
so registration is 1 of the worst possible things to ever do
Precident shows that gun registration = gun confiscation. What we need is some type od test for those in goverment. Of course this is not practical so we need to contain the situation. The situation being illegal wars, based on propagands, lies, misinformation, false testimony etc which have killed hundreds of thousands, not to mention our service people. all the while adding Trillions to the national debt. We need term limits, We need to weed out the dual-citizens, the foreign lobyist. We need accountability. Then there is the FED which is a cartel who for all practical purposes has already accomplishe the take over of America.
to be honest im a democrat and i support the ban on assault rifles but i can't watch Pierce Morgan. Hiis biased handling of the gun debate leaves me annoyed. The constant cutting off of people to help promote his own agenda and ratings so i change the channel now.
Piers Morgan keep up the fight about the gun issue in american.But the next time that crazy lady that said you can but a tank if you want too.Tell her the fact of the matter is the AR 15 is like the Army M16 just for stateside gun lovers.I was in the Army combat arms unit.The Army Gen. that was on your show had it 100% right.Because 95% of the time you never use the atomatic mode on the M16 is never used in the Army.When you go to the gun range you always use semi atomatic fire mode. Because the weapon will jam big time.So that's why you most of time that what is use in battle.Plus why do they need clips with 100 rounds you don't have them in the Army.Stay bless it will be a hard fight because American are hard headed and like pain in there lives some kind of way that's sad...
You foreigners taIk a lot of crap. I think you anti-gun blowhards should be the 1st ones to march up to someones house and demand to see their guns and try to take the ones you don't like. I'll even drive you around and you can pick the houses you want to search. I hope you don't mind if I take cover behind the car. I'm sure they will hand them over, no problem. It becomes a little different issue if you are the one to has to do the dirty work, doesn't it.
Actually the AR-15 came first, and the AR-15 isn't automatic. I have a feeling you're just trolling though.
Morgan is so bias on gun control he hurts our cause for more reform. Last night he called the NRA spokesman a hypocrite for changing his position on background checks after 14 years. Wow aren't people allowed to change their minds based on new information etc. Are all the millions of people who changed their minds on gay rights hypocrites? Piers creates battle lines when instead we need to respect for all opinions so we can work to solutions and not create battle lines. I can hardly watch Piers anymore he is so bias and needs to move to MSNBC.
I agree with you 200%!!
Every time I am channel surfing I pass your show and you're spouting some anti-gun propaganda. You love to hide behind your camera and tell Americans what they should be doing. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and take your camera to a house, say in Texas, maybe a ranch and walk down the long driveway to their house and demand whatever guns they have. Actions speak louder than words. I would love to see this on your show, I would watch for sure. You could even start a new show featuring worlds dumbest talk show hosts featuring you.
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1) To reduce assault style rifle violence mandate that owners must keep their weapons away from minors and disturbed individuals in the home or face severe civil and criminal consequences with mandatory prison time. Let your son go to school with your AR-10, AR-15, high capacity assault styled weapon because you didn't lock it away from him then lose your savings, your home and your freedom. If you locked it up and he stole it, then you are not culpable. But you run the risk to trust him or not. This would not include handguns.
2) To reduce handgun related violence declare the Bloods, Crips, MS13, Hells Angels, mafia, .... demonstrably violent gangs.... as TERRORISTS. Treat them like enemy combatants. Use the NDAA 2012 and extended Patriot Act against them. Sure we have too many people in prison and yet our crime rates are down – go figure. Just being in a demonstrably violent gang should make it illegal to own a gun. When you are a member of a gang you are forswearing your primary secular allegiance to the U.S.
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These anti-gun people are sheep. I don't see a point in arguing what history has taught us about dictators with a government educated populous. The less informed will always support a nanny state because they can't seem to think for themselves. If they could, they would have done the research, and connected a few dots to help them understand that they are all pawns in a 40 year old agenda. And that this was NEVER about saving lives, and this will NEVER be a serious solution to violence. If they were smart enough to figure this out, they would have taken one look at Finestein's list of banned weapons vs. legal weapons and realized it is based completely on appearance and nothing else. It solves nothing. So to help those who are less informed, I will instruct you on how to prove this point on your own. On the list is the AR-15 the most talked about rifle on the ban list. Look at the characteristics of that weapon and note them down. Then go to wal-mart.com and look for Ruger Mini-14 "Ranch Rifle" as they refer to it. Now google Ruger Mini 14 tactical. Compare the characteristics of both weapons. Then ask yourself why is the AR-15 on the ban list, and the Mini-14 is not. While you are at it, look at the Kel Tec 9 carbine that is on the ban list. Ask why is it there in the first place. It shoots a 9mm pistol round from a P-11 pistol magazine. By all accounts this is nothing more than a long barrel pistol. But it looks like a scary rifle. So do some homework here, and see just how serious this administration is about saving lives from the "Assault Weapons".
Piers is right, we need a president, and congress, that have the backbone to go against the will of the people, and disarm the drove of violent peasants. The best way to accomplish this is to remove the term limits for presidency, and the President declare he's in office for life. Without fear of not getting reelected, he can make the right choices for Americans and protect them from themselves.
Of course this will be highly unpopular at first, but after the initial bloodbath of the ignorant masses resisting change, the people will come to accept that the homeland does know best, like a loving father. Perhaps in time, we can learn to embrace our leader with the loving address of "My father" and come to love the fatherland and the gifts it brings to those who participate as they should.
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