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January 31st, 2013
02:20 PM ET

Clips From Last Night: Tom Arnold on the gun debate; Joe Jackson on Michael's children

As much of the nation continues to debate the polarizing topic of guns, and firearm legislation, on Wednesday evening "Piers Morgan Tonight" invited Tom Arnold to share his candid perspective, and personal insight.

Having grown up "hunting with my grandpa," and citing it as "one of the best experiences of my life," the actor and comedian says there's a vast difference between sport and unregulated killing:

"We didn't see anybody out there with military-style assault weapons. And that's where you draw the line because those guys - you know, if I was out hunting tomorrow and a guy - some kid shows up with one of those guns, we'd freak out," Arnold told Piers Morgan. "That's not part of sport or part of the culture. You know, they're posers. If they want to be in the military join the freaking military. You can't dress up like a military guy and put on a Purple Heart and walk around, and act like you're in the military."

Referencing AR-15's, the specific type of weapon used in several of the recent mass killing episodes, the 53-year-old Iowa native describes what he sees as their specific designation:

"It's those crazy people that need to blow up meat," says Arnold, of those with military-style assault weapons. "That's all those guns do is explode meat. They're not for hunting. There's not for any other purpose."

Also on Wednesday's program, Morgan welcomed Joseph Jackson for a rare, exclusive face to face interview.

The musician and talent manager often described as being the patriarch of the famed Jackson family, Joseph spoke candidly about two of his grandchildren, the two left behind by his most famous child, Michael:

"Well, Paris is - even Michael said, she's a piece of work, you know, because, most girls are hard to raise," said Jackson, speaking about Michael's daughter. "Piers, they are hard to raise. They are more harder (sic) than boys. But she's a nice girl. And most girls takes to the father anyway."

During Wednesday's conversation, Morgan also asked Jackson about remembering his son through his grandchildren:

"When you see them, does it take you back to when your kids were young? Do you see Michael in them?" asked the host.

"In Blanket I do," he revealed, speaking of the late pop-singer's youngest child. "In Blanket, I see Michael. Yes. But they are good kids. They are being handled well. And Katherine [Michael's mother] is really looking after those kids. And they love their grandma. Yes, they really love her. And they obeys her (sic), too."

Watch the clip and listen to the interviews as Arnold hopes to clarify misconceptions about firearms and those living in rural areas, while Jackson explains how he takes a different approaching with being a grandparent, than he did as a father.
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  1. Jonquil

    Tom Arnold is a voice of reason, here and one that I think most Americans can get on board with. There's a vast difference between those people who live in rural, isolated areas who understand and respect guns, handle and use them for hunting and protection purposes and those people who just want an opportunity - any opportunity - to violently annihilate something. And he's right about kids being kids and their propensity to get into mischief, so parents need to be on the look-out. When grown adults behave like this, that's what solid background checks are for; keep guns out of the hands of hotheads who act like kids with no impulse control.

    Thanks again, Piers, for keeping this conversation going.

    January 31, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  2. maria blount

    I think that the individual that is contemplating to purchase a weapon, needs to go in person to the police station, pay $5.00 (for Florida) ask to provide him with a background check in writing; Police Stations provides background check for a individual that is doing a lease, to show the landlord; landlord has the right to ask for it before signing the lease.
    Why not when purchasing a GUN?
    This will be a sure background check, with this done by the police station the individual would be allowed to purchase a weapon

    January 31, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • louis

      Dear Maria, do your research before you post comments from now on. You should know that the fbi already requires gun distributors to have a background check performed before every weapon sale. Will guns end up in bad hands? Of course they will. That's like saying just because drugs are illegal, no one will posess them. Your a classic idiot American that doesn't know whatt they're talking about and so quick to jump on the band wagon with all the other morons who think gun violence will stop. Do us all a favor and shut up.

      January 31, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  3. dave

    Can't believe piers is still beating this dead horse. Tom Arnold is an idiot. An Ar-15 is a .22 caliber. It leaves a very small hole and doesn't explode meat. Honestly, where do you find these people. Piers, why don't you head back across the pond where you belong. Nobody is going to give up their guns, period. You may have some ignorant people that watch your show like jonuil and believe that crap your shoveling but it ain't gonna happen regardless of how much you all yack. By the number of posts I think everyone else is tired of your crap also.

    January 31, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Morgan

      Dave So Right you are about Piers he beats the same thing over and over and seems to get the Wing nuts like T. Arnold Barr... Piers spites all the UK/EU style of life and Government control which they are so use too and for some reason thinks its OK in the US well we fought off that style of Government and he just can't understand that's its to keep the Freedoms of the People Free and that includes His British Butt... He can't seem to be a Professional in his Job which is too report both sides and let the Viewer make there choice without his over bloated opinion and if he cant keep it out he needs to stop reporting on it ! We Don't Need to hear it!!!

      February 1, 2013 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Pat

      David is sooooooo wrong to talk bad about Piers. I applaud Piers for trying to get common sense gun control measures in America. Keep up the good work Piers. Only gun enthusiasts and the NRA are against you. They do NOT represent the views of most Americans. And the congressmen that have obviously been bought by the NRA will be voted out of office!

      March 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  4. louis

    What gives this British man the right to come to America and criticize us for our way of life. Go back to England piers if its so much better. Ancestors fought yours so that we didn't have to deal with your b.s. and your tyrannical thoughts about how life should be for the early Americans. Go back to England and do everything you can to make it better before you come to America and start talking crap. Its just pitiful that you are allowed you be on live tv . I can't believe that Americans put up with you. You are no friend of mine or America for that matter sir.

    January 31, 2013 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Pat

      Louis is soooooo wrong to talk about Piers or anyone who just wants to better America.

      March 28, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  5. Mr. Potatohead

    Go play lingerie football with the other ***gots in traffic. Zucker may give you more bleeding hermanoids
    for Chelsea to lick. Toilet Bowl is probably your choice for Sunday.

    January 31, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  6. louis

    If it wasn't for Americans, England would still be a tyrannical superpower.

    January 31, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  7. seth

    For assault weapons I say:

    1. Make them illegal to own, and/or make registered owners completely responsible for all damages created by their weapon regardless of who did it. So if it was stolen, it doesn't matter, they are still fully responsible.

    2. Put a high tax on the ammo for assault weapons and use the proceeds to reduce gun proliferation.

    January 31, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • dave

      Hey Seth, since you are so anxious to take everybody's guns, why don't you run over to all your neighbors and collect their assault rifles tonight. Hurry, no time to waste. Bet you won't cause your scared butt sits behind a computer typing away hoping somebody else will put their life in danger collecting guns. Mighty nice of you. Also, if somebody steals your car and kills people in a chase you should be held liable for murder. You can't think past your nose.

      January 31, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • seth

        ""why don't you run over to all your neighbors and collect their assault rifles tonight""
        Hey dave, I think I'll just wait until it becomes a felony to own an assault rifle, then the neighbors will anxiously turn them in on their own.

        ""bet you won't cause your scared butt sits behind a computer typing""
        Scared Butt? I don't have to hide behind an AR15 with a few hundred rounds. Who's really afraid?

        January 31, 2013 at 7:40 pm | Report abuse |
      • Nathan Haas

        Seth do you know how many rounds fit into standard at magazine

        January 31, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pat

      For Seth: Good idea!

      March 28, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Catherine

    Listening to all the talk of guns and (lack of) gun control from across the border in Canada, and my only comment has to be "What is wrong with these people"?

    January 31, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • seth

      America is behind the rest of the civilized world in a few areas, and this is a big one.

      January 31, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • 21st Century Johny Reb

        America started in 1873 when Sam Colt produced the "Peacemaker". it was the 1st 6 -shot revolver in .45 Long Colt caliber and was called the great "Equalizer." I won't waste time, America's # 2nd Gun Genius, John MOses Browning,, The 1897 Pump action Shotgun replaced the Double-barreled Coach Gun, Then the Browning Auto-5 the 1st semi-automatic Shothgun, then the 191 .45 acp semi-automatic pistol, then the .50 Caliber M2 Heavy Barrel Machine Gun used world wide to save countless poor people from dictators and Monsters who slaughter people like livestock. I could go on and I don't like AR-15's,, I like a Ruger Mini-14,,same bullet,,gun is steel and an AR-15 is an Aluminum reciever,,climate here don't work with aluminum guns like steel.. STEEL ,,how America Beat GERMANY WW I I . ask anyone

        January 31, 2013 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
      • 21st Century Johny Reb

        Sorry Seth but Anderson Cooper 360 is on and the GUNS UNDER FIRE SHOW has come on, and America Has Been Ahead of The Other Now Gun Free Countries of the World since 1873..ask anyone. WE ARE THE LAST COUNTRY WITH GUNS<<GOD SAVE US IF THERE GONE TOMMORROW. FIGHT , FIGHT FIGHT ! ! ! We didn't get here Asking Permission !

        January 31, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • dave

      We are a free people. It's fine with me if you keep yourself on that side of the border. Stupid foreigners

      January 31, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  9. Nae

    Anderson Cooper 360° Town Hall: Guns Under Fire will air at 8pm ET on CNN tonight.

    He will host a town hall from George Washington University on the topic of gun control with today’s leading voices on this hot button topic.

    I'm hoping this will be a significantly better, sophisticated, productive debate than Morgan's worthless daily drivel.

    January 31, 2013 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • seth

      Poppin the pop-corn, hopefully some good watchin!

      January 31, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • dave

        Seth, the 49'ers suck

        January 31, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Report abuse |
      • dave

        seth. if it becomes a felony. I still won't turn my guns in. Neither will anybody else. Why don't you move to England or Australia where they turned theirs in like sheep. Baa Baa.

        January 31, 2013 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
  10. seth

    guess we will see if they do or not.

    January 31, 2013 at 7:58 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Adolph

      This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration.our streets will be safer,our police more efficient,and the world will follow our lead into the future.....Adolph hitler 1935 .

      January 31, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  11. dave

    Amen, Johny Reb. I agree with you on everything but the mini-14. Love my Ar-15. Had trouble with the mini jamming but the ones I shot were from about 20 years ago. May have improved since then.

    January 31, 2013 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  12. Taxes S

    No piers!!! Not only people in Texas or Alabama DONT like YOU , matter of fact all of America DONT LIKE you!!! You are taking this gun control case to the next level!!!
    You are also the most ignorant person I have ever listened to about guns and rifles, specially when you run your big mouth about AR 15's like its a machine gun with endless belt of ammo. The answer to your most idiotic and stupid question, why do you need a rifle, AR15, M4, pistal, hunting rifle or a bebe gun??? IS TO PROTECT OUR SELVES FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU! AND Criminals!!!! and my question to you is Why are you here in the USA? WHY???

    January 31, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • dave

      Taxes, I think you are wasting your time with a loudmouth like piers. He wasn't born here and it's not in his blood. This idiot thinks the military trained all the soldiers in WWII that saved their sorry asses. When in fact most soldiers already knew how to shoot. Now, they surrendered all their guns to the government and left themselves defenseless. If they get in a bind again I say let them fend for themselves. They will be shooting themselves in the foot because they had no prior experience with firearms. I agree, why is this idiot getting so much airtime and why is he in this country.

      January 31, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Pat

      To Taxes S: Speak ONLY for yourself. "All Americans do not like Piers" WRONG. I happen to not only like Piers,but I like his views on Gun Control. It is very good sense to ban assault guns and high capacity clips!

      March 28, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  13. Nathan Haas

    Seth you are a sheep sir. And a dumb one at that. If they "try" to take our guns it will be a fight to the end

    January 31, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  14. san

    Even though Piers wasnt born in America, he is only saying waht the rest of the world is thinking! I live in a country with gun control ,if my child wants to harm another with a gun he could not even find one, No one i know even wants to own a gun. We have an Army for that! Any coward can pull a trigger, it takes a lot more guts to plunge a knife into someone .

    February 1, 2013 at 3:34 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • dave

      Do you think we care what the rest of the world is thinking,San. You have a awful lot of faith in your government. What happens if you're army is over run. What are you going to do. Don't laugh, there isn't enough space to list all the countries that have been overrun, knife the opposing army. Here in America, we take the responsibility for our country's defense. Imagine if we didn't have a military here and another country decided to come on our shores. People would rush to those areas and quickly give that army a bad case of lead poisoning. If you have any doubt about this, you haven't spent much time here, if at all. So you sit there and feel all smug and comfortable about the fact that you don't know anybody who even wants to own a gun. I'll sit here all smug and comfortable knowing that everyone I know owns a gun and knows how to use it. Just don't call on the USA to come and bail your butt out because the people in your country are to lazy and irresponsible to protect your country, families, and future generations.

      February 1, 2013 at 6:39 am | Report abuse | Reply
      • smdavison

        dave's at it again huh? We had a discussion last night and the only thing he could debate true facts about is hes the best spell checker he is. This guy has no knowledge of any true facts or percentages about anything besides they kindergarten seneteces he puts together for his defense of the NRA yet still has no substance to debate back at him. Tell DAVE to look me up, I'll be here looking for him

        February 1, 2013 at 11:07 am | Report abuse |
      • smdavison

        How come I just seen Wayne laperrier ( pepe la pew ) in a 1994 interveiw in front of the congession hearings saying I quote " Back ground checks work for law enforcement and that all guns need to be registered for law enforcement to find and prosecute criminals and murders" NO LIE GO LOOK IN UP ON GOOGLE AND TYPE HIS NAME / 1994 interveiw about gun registration. Thank you very much you God D*^m HIPPOCRITE

        February 1, 2013 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
  15. Philemon

    Guns don't kill people, bullets do! I don't hear anyone talking about putting severe limitations on the manufacture and sale conditions of ammunition. There may be several thousand different types of guns, but a lot of them use the same type of ammunition. Make it a requirement to have a licence in order to buy bullets, sell them only through authorized government run stores, and keep a database of all purchases. At the same time, put an extremely high sales tax on all ammunition to help out with the deficit. There may be a poorly interpreted "right" to bear arms, but that may not be entirely applicable to bullets. It won't matter how many millions of guns currently exist in the general population when the bullet supply dries up.

    February 1, 2013 at 8:27 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • smdavison

      NO Philmon people with guns KILL people, and we are goig to make every gun owner accountable for their bullets . Watch and learn in less than 6 months I promise your the american people are going to get the national back ground data base through the house

      February 1, 2013 at 11:32 am | Report abuse | Reply
  16. smdavison

    My God , I know the only reason Piers lets ditsy shock jocks on his show is to give us a good laugh and to stump the NRA's attemp to please women NRA members and guys for the eye candy. He he he laugh it up little girls Dana loshe and etc all the other little home coming queens trying to tell us that were wrong and their little boyfriend and husbands ( NRA worshipers ) are right. Laugh at the tradgedy at new town and every other shooting every night since new town and still counting.. Keep laughing at the parents, husbands and wives who keep losing their loved one to semi-automatic assault weapons. Paint your gun pink and keep laughing at america girls>

    February 1, 2013 at 11:20 am | Report abuse | Reply
  17. smdavison

    Thank you ANDERSON COOPER for having the town debate over guns Your the most credible on TV. Thank you Gabby gifford and david Wheeler for giving that very convincing speech to the congressional hearing . And the continued Mothers against GUNS rallying at multi events and state capital buildings. CANT STOP AMERICA NOW!! We'll die or give up everything we own to protect our children and not let them get slaughtered during in the middle of their classroom.

    February 1, 2013 at 11:25 am | Report abuse | Reply
  18. smdavion

    WE THE PARENTS have to TELL OUR CHILDREN WE WILL PROTECT THEM NO MATTER WHAT and then they GET SLAUGHTERED IN THIER CLASSROOMS by ASSAULT WEAPONS!!!!! All I see is the typical gun owner wants a national back ground check on every gun! The only ones complaining are the ones who got something to hide. I guess they love their GUN COLLECTION alot more thanthey care for their childrens safety , or their wives (or husbands for that matter ) Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!

    February 1, 2013 at 11:29 am | Report abuse | Reply
  19. Mark

    In this report by the Department of Justice ( http://www.sas.upenn.edu/jerrylee/research/aw_final2004.pdf ) in 2004, it was found that firearms that fall under 'Assault Weapons Ban' only make up about 2% of gun crime. Further, this FBI report ( http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11 ) from 2011 shows that rifles, of all kinds including hunting/sport rifles and 'assault rifles,' were used in 323 shootings.

    1,694 killings were made with knives, 496 with blunt objects, and *726* killings were made using hands, fists, or feet. The killings made with rifles, including the so called 'assault rifle' are only half as many killings as people physically beaten to death by someone with their bare hands. Further, in 2011, there were a total of 8,583 firearm murders. Rifles, again including hunting rifles and 'assault rifles,' make up only 3.76% of all firearm murders. So, according to those FBI statistics, current proposed weapon bans are, in fact, targeting *the smallest* portion of gun crime in the nation, period. As such, they will have *the smallest* impact possible.

    If you want to focus on guns, that's fine. It's a hot debate issue. But at least focus on *real* problem areas that it encompasses, not the smallest possible area for impact.

    On the magazine side, most of the proposed bans focus around limiting magazines to 10 rounds. At Virginia Tech, Seung-Hui Cho carried 19 ten and fifteen round magazines. He used 17 of those 19 magazines and fired approx. 170 rounds before killing himself. So, mechanically, the vast majority of the magazines he used already fall in line with the proposed 10 round limit. That did not stop him.

    There is no good, simple, easy, or fast solution to this problem. The universal background check is something I agree with. Any ownership transfer of a firearm should have a background to go with it, in my opinion. The system was put into place to prevent known criminals from obtaining firearms from retailers. It has been proven to work. This 2010 NICS report ( http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/2010-operations-report/2010-operations-report-pdf ) stats taht 820,888 transactions were denied from Nov. 30 1998 to Dec. 31, 2010. Checks work, to some degree.

    But for anything to really happen, or for people to be safe, a few things need to happen.

    First, people need to be responsible for their own safety. This does *NOT* mean people need to be paranoid and fearful. It means they need to be aware and pay attention. People with violent intentions display them with abnormal actions which can easily be watched for.

    Secondly, education needs to be presented about the actual mental and emotional cause of these incidents. Along with this, people need to stop using such issues as an *excuse* for what happens. It didn't happen because of these problems, it happened because no one paid attention to these problems.

    Third, people need to deal with human nature. Facts are facts. Sometimes, people are just evil.

    And lastly, each side of the argument need to act like adults and admit that the extreme answers and solutions proposed on both sides simply will not work. Until people stop dealing with this based on high running emotions and work together, no *real* or effective solution will be found.

    February 1, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  20. thaNorthStar.com

    Mr Arnold, if they're not for hunting & they're not for any other purpose then why do the majority of American citizens think we should be able to own them if we want to. Also , why do you care?
    Nobody is assualting anybody with them so..... why is Piers still on this subject?

    hey Piers,
    i duno who told you guns are killing machines & why you keep trying to tell evrybody they are when we all know they are used to keep the peace & for protection... get real

    February 2, 2013 at 12:52 am | Report abuse | Reply
  21. Rae

    Mr. Morgan:

    I respectfully ask if you remember a despot named Adolf Hitler. Do not for one instant think that government cannot turn against its own as witnessed in Germany. My history lessons have taught me that America saved the Brits' bacon during that holocaust.

    How far would Hitler have been able to go? What if the Jews had been armed like Americans are? Would they willingly have marched to the ovens? I think not. If we do not learn from history, we are bound to repeat it. Smarten up and see the writing on the wall here.

    If Americans surrender their weapons then only the bad guys and the government will have them. This is unacceptable. I do understand that you are sickened by Aurora and Sandy Hook and rightly so but things can get much much worse if we are unable to protect ourselves. My heart bleeds for the families of those children. I have always respected you but on this issue, I do believe you are being obtuse beyond reason. You continuously throw out the high profile cases such as Jennifer Hudson's family and the Aurora and Sandy Hook shootings yet you never have any stats on how many people have saved themselves and their families from intruders.

    I did see where one of your interviewees mentioned how alcohol killed more people than guns and you deliberately evaded that conversation. Do some comparison studies on that topic if you are so concerned about lives being lost. How many children every year are killed by people driving under the influence of alcohol.

    With all due respect you are beginning to come across as a nut job who is as obsessed as the people who committed these horrible crimes. How bout if we put high voltage electric fences around the schools with an ten foot tall inner fence. An armed guard would be essential to my way of thinking. If we can afford to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan on a daily basis for over ten years then surely we could afford to hire security and other security measures for our schools.

    I am not a right wing nut job but you are in danger of losing all credibility. You are continuing to talk over your guests because you don't appear to really want solutions. You are fixated and need to at least listen to alternative methods of protecting our schools.

    February 5, 2013 at 1:14 am | Report abuse | Reply
  22. MarkyMark

    DIdn't think CNN could do worse than Larry King...but wow, Piers Morgan is truly a waste of oxygen.

    February 5, 2013 at 10:45 am | Report abuse | Reply

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