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Amidst intense nationwide debate stemming from a pair of Supreme Court arguments relating to Proposition 8 and DOMA, on Thursday Piers Morgan welcomed Franklin Graham for a live, face to face interview.
One of the nation's foremost Evangelical Christians, the 60-year-old missionary is a staunch opponent of same-sex marriage and domestic unions, and used tonight's platform to further explain his position:
"It's what God says, Piers. God is the one who defined marriage, not government, but it's God. And it's between one man and one woman," said the son of legendary minister Billy Graham. "So, to come and try to redefine what God has ordained, and what God has blessed, and what God has given, would be a great mistake for our government and a great mistake for this nation."
Sharing historical examples of government stepping in to right various injustices, and to promote equality within the country – including permitting inter-racial marriages – the "Piers Morgan Live" host asked his guest if same-sex marriage might not be the next adjustment that the nation need make.
"Marriage is defined between a man and a woman. And, of course, during the race issues, it was 'could a black man and a white woman, or vice-versa, could they get married?' And that was the debate that we had and they decided, yes. But, still, that is a marriage between a man and a woman. Not two men, and not two women," reiterated Graham. "I believe there's what, 190 nations, and I think there's 11 that have approved, in just the last – what is it – 10, 12 years – gay marriage. This would be a big mistake if our nation went down this road."
Watch the clip, and listen to the interview, as Morgan and Graham continue to wrestle with the definition of marriage, and the role government should have in changing law in regards to such a matter.
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Well graham, its time to get out of the crusade era of europe and open your eyes in the 21 st century1 God is of faith, raising your family and being kind to your neighbor and be of help ( the bible broke down in 5 seconds). The weaker minde people try to translate the Bible to the philosophy the want to project on others , and forget the Bible was given to help you find your way when " YOUR LOST" not anybody elses life you try to control. Alot of people have forgotten Rights, respect, and freewill. Impose your will in your house ( God help you) but stay out of ours. I sure the thought of a gay couple living on your street destroys your mind and " The thought of that couple having all the rights and benifets as you makes you fume rage. so what, walk the other way then. Your " Lost", weak minded one. educate humanity, A God's virtue! Haters will get high blood pressure and fall over!
Just so you know, holy matrimony (marriage) is a religious union and not a civil one. If you believe in God, then you know that it was intended for a man and a woman to reproduce and live as a family. Anything else is just two people living together. If you don't believe in God, then you have no need for marriage. All a gay person would need is a civil union if they just want benefits such as healthcare and such.
If Holy Matrimony is a religious union, then the government has no right to restrict it to a man and a woman. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." If my religion says that gays should be married, Congress has no right to say that one religion is more right than another.
Holy Matrimony and Marriage are not the same.
One is within the dictates of the Church.
One (Marriage) is within the defines and rules (laws) of the State.
Then why do we allow divorce? Why do we not stone adulterers and those who disobey parents. If you read the Old Testament you will find these things there.
Yes,I agree with Bible and Bro.Graham on marriage.God's word said nothing about men marry men&,women marry women.This would be a good time to pick the Bible,and dust it off.And do some studying.Look in the Old Testament
Yes, look at the Old Testament, where we are commanded to sacrifice animals at the altar on the sabbath. Do you do that Linda, or do you understand that those are rules that the Levites lived by, inappropriate for today. You seem to be able to understand that sacrificing animals is outdated, and the verses that tell you how to get the best price when you sell your daughter into slavery, and the verses that tell you to stone to death someone who wears cloth made from two threads. Yet you hold on to the one verse that is used as a tool to hurt others. Shame on you.
well... look... for the record... you can look to the old and the new testament... even though i would guess you would be one to groan about anything from any part of the Bible. But if you WERE to pick it up and get some help understanding the nature of the scripture you might be surprised that there IS sense to it. The specific application of the Mosaic law was NOT for all time and for all people... but the actual PRINCIPLES are! Just like we might change the punishment for a particular crime from time to time, but the crime remains. The Old Testament IS difficult for us to comprehend... but it is not impossible. It points to how God created us and it points to our sin and failing... and as well it points us to a redeemer in Jesus Christ. That is what Good Friday and Easter are all about! God bless you!
linda u r right and this guy is just wrong.... this guy has no moral or undestandinf of who God was,is and forever will be just keep this guy in prayer and Like jesus said forgive them for they know not what they do
Yes. Let's dust it off. (there is a lot of dust there). For example here are some Laws you will need to follow: "Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk," Exod. 34:26; "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material," Lev. 19:19; "Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear," Deut. 22:12).The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses," Deut. 14:8). And most of all, how we treat our children who are disobedient:
18 “If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will anot obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them,
19 then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city 1at the gateway of his hometown.
20 “They shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.’
21 “aThen all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so byou shall remove the evil from
Rosalie – You may have read the Bible. But clearly you haven't read enough, and don't understand what you have read. The Old Testament is the old covenant. The New covenant was formed when Jesus died on the cross.
"Unlike the Old Covenant, which required obedience to the letter of the law, the New Covenant, which Jesus taught, is based on obedience from the heart" Doing whats right because you know in your heart it's the right thing to do. Everyone
has those feelings. Some choose to listen to them, some choose not to.
Any interpretation of scripture that creates disdain or hatred of others is illegitimate.
Tax dollars should not be used to perpetuate any method of discrimination.
If churches and religions choose to discriminate they should do so with the loss of their tax exempt status as organizations. And the people's contributions to these groups should not be sheltered from taxes either.
Separation of church and state is what this country was founded upon.
Seth, the separation of Church and State was put in to place in order to protect the Churches so the state could not come in and tell them what to do. It was to ensure the freedom of religion or the person to practice their religion. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you but are you saying that you would like the state to come in and tell the Churches what they should believe in and what they should do? Isn't this the same thing you are accusing the churches of trying to do?
The separation of church and state is to ensure that religion has NO influence on government to make laws that serve religion.
You can't define marriage in a religious context and then use the peoples tax dollars to enforce those beliefs. If you say gays don't have the same freedoms as straights you can't take their tax dollars and use them against them.
The problem in this country is that we have let religion influence our laws.
Church and state need to be separated completely.
And our federal tax dollars need to stop being used to subsidize religions that discriminate.
So just to be clear, a church doesn't have to allow gay marriage in their organization. But in making that choice they shouldn't be subsidized by tax dollars (which include taxes from gays and those who support gays).
A gay couple who wants to be married in a church is denied, fine... but they should be able to go to the county courthouse and get married there with a legal marriage certificate.
Religion put a lot of money and effort into prop 8, recent statements indicate concern.
The concern is prop 8 might be over-turned.
Their dilemma: recognize gay marriage and loose faithful members (and their monetary contributions), or deny gays and loose their tax exempt status, costing lots and lots of $$$.
Religion has boxed itself into it's own corner and if they want to maintain any prophetic credibility they better stop discriminating because that's where we are going as a nation and as a world.
The Western World has been known to find scientific explanations to issues that might once have been viewed as shocking! They try to explain everything backing up their report with so called facts from real or unreal research. Everyday, they move closer to forgetting GOD. Many are becoming atheists because of the comfort they are privileged to enjoy and so cannot rationalize the need for GOD in their lives. In times past, being gay was 'unheard' of let alone openly spoken about. Over time the Western world validated its existence with so called science and people embraced it, forgetting that for many years intimacy is rightly between a man and a woman. Again, getting further away from GOD. Now the minority is pushing for laws to recognize existence of this act based on equality. Soon incest will be rationalized through science and marriage will be re-defined has union between siblings, father and daughter or mother and son! Let's get back to GOD!
I will not allow you, from some African nation, tell me how to live my life. I've been to West Africa, your men have wives and mistresses often too young to be in any kind of relationship. There are no rights for women, or even children for that matter, the Islamists will take care of you–and that's sad, but true. You will impose your beliefs on me NEVER. Yet still, I don't hurt a fly; I give to charity; I help those in need; and I WON"T be fear-mongered.
Wow Susan, say how you really feel. You won't allow someone from some African country tell you anything will you? You seem to already know it all. How could anyone from some African country teach someone like you (from a superior country, with superior people and ways of doing things) anything. Wow!! This sounded quite bigotted to me, some may even say racist but I won't go that far. In any case what does this have to do with gay marriage and wether it is right or wrong. You seem to feel that because Ayo is from an African country, he has no right to speak. It sounds to me that you are just as closed minded as the very people you accusing of doing the same thing. I would think that a reasonable minded person would at least believe that Ayo has the right to express his opinions no matter what back ward country you think that he is from. Also I think that your reaction has helped his point.
Everything is clearly going wrong with America, gun violence now gay marriages. a nation choosing to be ungodly ritely put by Ayo because of the privileges of being an atheist u can do whatever you want funny enough they can't see how it is manifesting in so many unimagineable evils. For Gods sake ya all need to work on making marriages between man and woman work and not encourage the younger ones to become gay.
Fred, you are another nut job. You are blaming Atheists on gun violence too and calling it a "privilege" haha Are you kidding me! The peaceful and charitable people I know are all atheists and live in a reality where they treat everyone equally and with respect NOT following some imaginary book of fiction that is one of the most violent and hateful books ever.
I think people are confusing the word God with the Creator. For those who experience it, God is the energy inside of us that is keeping us alive.
The point is the Creator has put that energy inside of us.
oh, you haven't experienced that energy? Well, someone showed me how to experience it and in my life I know that the source of peace (that energy, that God) is within me.
Want to know peace in your life? Find the one who showed me. A couple of clues...he's now 55 years old and travels the world. I first met him (3rd clue) when he was 16.
Some may say that the Creator created human beings and human beings created religion.
Well, religion is a source of comfort to many and I understand that but if you're not at peace, and you want some help, search for the person who can help.
I know him too harrison, although we didn't meet unitl later in my life after much deprogramming. I agree with harrison and would like to add that I feel that "God" isn't the problem, it's "man's" religion that is the problem.
harrison- I would like to know who you are talking about, but can't figure it out. Eckhart Tolle's teachings have helped me tremendously.
His name is Prem Rawat.
For an articulate man, you just couldn't control your language interviewing Franklin Graham.
Really? Swearing in front of him? Could you be anymore disrespectful?
(I learned in middle school where I could swear and where I shouldn't! Since then I have chosen not to swear anywhere, but certainly I would have enough self-restraint not to swear in front of a pastor or dignified man like Franklin Graham.
You are getting as sloppy as many Americans!
These people are really insane and need to be in straight jackets. What about the GOD of the old testament! haha Do we follow all of those rules too? These religions fanatics are a scary bunch. They only subscribe to "laws" that suit their own personal beliefs ....has nothing to do really with what God did or did not say. These are the same people that think dead guy moved a two ton boulder and flew up into the sky. :) Happy Easter
Of course they are hypocrites. I have picked up the Bible so many times and the Psalms and stories, many of them, were so violent that I had to wonder if this was God or Satan. Yet some yahoo above is complaining of gun violence, when the book he reads is replete with violence and gore galore. By the way, if you read in-between the lines of Graham's statements about blacks and whites marrying–I doubt he was for it. These ones would force others who don't agree with them to follow their rules. The dark ages can return again, if we let it. I say NO!
So the bible thumpers are hypocrites but you can read Graham's mind? " if you read in-between the lines of Graham's statements about blacks and whites marrying"..uh huh. Looks to me like nut jobs all around.
How completely offensive is that? God defined marriage as between one man and one woman. Really? And Franklin Graham knows this because he speaks to God, does he? Marriage as a sacrament was defined by a bunch of men about 2000 years ago or earlier, in writing the gospels and earlier religious texts. If you read your Bible, as Franklin clearly does not, God last spoke to a human on Mount Sinai - Moses. We must also accept, following the God storyline, that God created gay men, lesbians and trans-gendered persons in his own image and loves these children just as he loves the rest of us. Given that basic premise, how does Franklin square this same loving deity expecting the rest of us to continue to punish and discriminate against these, his beloved children, by denying them the basic rights to love and share their lives that the rest of us have had for millenia? That is where most religious fanatics lose the ball. You cannot have a loving God who created us all but nonetheless finds it acceptable to marginalize and deny just those beloved children he made gay, lesbian or transgendered.
Denise, you are makiing your point using limited knowledge. Marriage was not defined by a bunch of men about 2000 years ago. Where did you get that information from? You need to educate your self and read. There are many civilizations who had marriage before the events in th Bible took place and it was between men and women. In many civilizations it could be between one man and many women and I have even heard of one where it was possible between one woman and many men but never between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
You mention Moses in your comment, you apparently know who he was yet you don't seem to realize that he existed way before your 2000 year time line. In Moses time there was marriage and yes it was between men and women. Oh also please note that in most of these civilizations where there was marriage between men and women, there was no belief or awarenss of God as He is revealed to be in the Bible.
God created man in His own image does not mean that He sanctions people doing things that are wrong. For example, a psychopath or serial murderer is created in God's image but that does not mean that he was created to go around killing people. In the same way the fact that someone is gay does not mean that because he was created by God that it makes acting on being gay a thing sanctioned by God. God still loves the person and expects us to love the person too, no matter what they do. All human beings should be treated with respect and dignity. It does not mean that we should support someone doing something wrong.
If I have a child who is a drug addict, I can still love that child with all my heart and hate the drugs that are killing him. Would you expect me to love the drugs because my child "loves" the drugs and believes that the drugs makes him happy. In the same way, if I had a son who was acting out as gay, I would still love my child but I certainly would not love the fact that they were gay. Why do you people who support the gay, lesbian etc. life style find this hard to understand? I can love my child without loving his/her choices. I can have a friend who is gay without supporting the gay life style. That I am against gay marriage does not mean that I hate gay people and I think this is the same situation for a majority of people against gay marriage.
Even if we took God out of the picture, gay relationships are not normal or natural. The human body was not designed for two men to be together. Nature itself makes it obvious. There are physical injuries that occur from such relationships and it is a higher risk life style. I was surprised when I went on to a health website and they had information for gay individuals educating them on the extra precautions they had to take if they were in gay relationships.
Denise isn't the one with limited knowledge. Attractive orientation is biological, that means people are born that way.
Ones orientation isn't a personal choice, your judgment and definition of right and wrong is no more significant than anybody else's. Having said that here is mine, being gay isn't a sin in any way, being gay isn't wrong in any way. Don't let those stuck in dark age mindset trouble you, your life is beautiful, and you are beautiful just the way you are.
"If you read your Bible, as Franklin clearly does not,"..o.k., now thats just funny. One of most well known evangelists in the world 'clearly doesn't read the bible." If I had to guess whether you or Franklin knew more about what the bible actually says, guess who would get my vote?
men who stand in Lavish buildings " Judging, while holding its hand out taking your money is a Fake, embarassing, and immoral . Young people travel to povished, poor countries for free to teach Faith and education, nurioush the sic and poor while doinging it for free out of the kindness of their hearts and selflessness. Humility,not " Send me your money"
...oh and btw, the number of folks who think gay is wrong is dwindling with each new day. In the not too distant future there will be nothing more said of it.
Happy Easter :)
Franklin Graham claims to be the authority on God, a concept that is not only ill-defined but also very individual. He doesn't even believe the well established scholarship on Christianity. I feel sorry for anyone who listens to this crap.
I also feel sorry for people who believe people who claim to speak for God. People who are so ignorant that they read the Bible in its literal form must also follow all the rules of the Old Testament and you know those laws are in some cases primitive and horrible to us now. A woman who is menstruating must not touch food and has to be kept isolated. Children who are disobedient are to be killed. Why doesn't Franklin suggest that we follow those LAWS? Because he reads the Bible literally but SELECTIVELY, to suit his own agenda and beliefs. He does not know God any more than you or I do. He may think he does. In that case he is an egomaniac as well as ignorant.
Gees, if everybody gave effort of Humility and intergity toward fellow man, there would be no need and arguement for 2000 yr old srciptures and the "BIBLE"
I’m a Christian. But I don’t think being gay makes anyone a sinner. I tend to believe that it’s a condition you are born with, and something you have no control over. Having said that, if we allow gay marriage, don’t we also have to allow polygamy? If no one should be treated differently because of who they love, we can’t deny the people who wish to form a loving relationship with multiple people all at once and want to commit to all of them in the name of marriage, can we?
Right on Ainsley! Sensible people like you are hard to come by.
If I said that I was born a horse would you tend to believe me? For years no one has believed me.
How does he know what God does ?
World Theology is worth studying.
Religion civilized man.
Religion is, also, the biggest nemesis,next to Government.
its a sad day in America if we let LGBT get there way... our government is double minded and needs to satnd firm on what is right and GOOD for America
Whenever I see a man like Franklin Graham, first a shiver goes down my spine, then I'm thankful to live in an era where people like him can't have people like me burnt at the stake. Those dead eyes, and a mask where his face should be: when will people finally wake up and realize that anyone who claims to speak for God only does so in order to control other people?
Franklin is talking about Holy Matrimony, not marriage. There is a difference and I wish folks could get it straight. Holy Matrimony is within the church. Marriage is a legal contract within the laws of the state. Holy Matrimony may have been defined by God, but of course that is the same God who said we must stone children who are disobedient. It does no one any good to read the Bible, or any religious text SELECTIVITY and worse, to pass on those SELECTED PASSAGES or quotes to an ignorant and receptive audience.
Rosalie Satan is using you for his own good. Satan is king of all lies READ THE BIBLE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!
Think for yourself, The "BIBLE" is mostly a Fictional story with some true events with messages of carniage and wishes of Humility. Dont get so wrapped up in a book thats way Watered down of commonsense David
AMEN I agreed with Franklin Graham
[Recently ran across the following think piece on the unforgettable web. Any reactions?]
(The following paper was inspired by Bill O'Reilly whose TV show favors God Dumpers and not "Bible Thumpers." Quotes are from "Vital Quotations" by Emerson West.)
DANGEROUS BIBLE THUMPERS OF AMERICA
ROBERT E. LEE: "In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." (p. 21)
DANIEL WEBSTER: "If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper." (p. 21)
JOHN QUINCY ADAMS: "I have made it a practice for several years to read the Bible through in the course of every year." (p. 22)
ABRAHAM LINCOLN: "I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from the Saviour of the world is communicated to us through this book." (p. 22)
GEORGE WASHINGTON: "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." (p. 22)
HORACE GREELEY: "It is impossible to mentally or socially enslave a Bible-reading people." (p. 23)
THOMAS JEFFERSON: "I hold the precepts of Jesus as delivered by himself to be the most pure, benevolent, and sublime which have ever been preached to man. I adhere to the principles of the first age; and consider all subsequent innovations as corruptions of this religion, having no foundation in what came from him." (p. 45)
THOMAS JEFFERSON: "Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would by now have become Christian." (p. 47)
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see." (p.49)
WOODROW WILSON: "The sum of the whole matter is this--that our civilization cannot survive materially unless it be redeemed spiritually. It can only be saved by becoming permeated with the spirit of Christ and being made free and happy by practices which spring out of that spirit." (p. 143)
PATRICK HENRY: "There is a just God who presides over the destiny of nations." (p. 145)
THOMAS JEFFERSON: "Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction." (p. 225)
THOMAS JEFFERSON: "Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus." (p. 237)
GEORGE WASHINGTON: "The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low, that every person of sense and character detests and despises it." (p. 283)
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: "Here is my creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe. That he governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshiped." (p. 301)
CALVIN COOLIDGE: "The strength of a country is the strength of its religious convictions." (p. 305)
GEORGE WASHINGTON: "The perpetuity of this nation depends upon the religious education of the young." (p. 306)
Prior to our increasingly "Hell-Bound and Happy" era, America's greatest leaders were part of the (gulp) Religious Right! Today we've forgotten God's threat (to abort America) in Psa. 50:22--"Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver." Memo to God Dumpers: In light of Rev. 16:19, can you be sure you won't be in a city that God has already reserved for destruction?
I'm reading a lot of people quoting the old testament . We do not live by the old testament, we live by the new testament! Most of the old testament laws do not apply for us. For example the Ten Commandments still apply for Christians. But obviously animal sacrifices, stoning disobedient children, and slavery don't. A great question to ask is why Jews have moderated there interpretation of the old testament scriptures. Under the old testament was the "Time of Law". But now is the "Disposition Grace". "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:27
I am always struck that the obvious is never stated when this issue is discussed with religious folk. Yes it doesn't say anything about gay marriage in the bible but this is not Jerusalem. This country was founded by people fleeing both religious and civil persecution. There was a strong emphasis to ensure that people beliefs were protected and that a particular religious value is no impressed on people. Thus, people of all religions can marry in this country, OR people who are not religious. So it doesn't matter as to the law whether it say something in the bible. That is a religious debate not a legal debate or a debate about rights. Many people complain how religion has been marginalized in this country, if only you could stand back and see this country as I do through the eyes of an Atheist and you would see that those are laughable statement.
For those people who think this nations laws need to be ruled by the religious majority, what would you do if you were not in the majority and you had to bend to the will of others who beliefs aren't yours? Welcome to the world some of us live in. Why aren't Christians tolerant, open and caring. The interviewee said that is was Gods law, well than let God defend it and leave people alone. If you are right and you believe it than there no reason so impress beliefs upon people. But we all know how good it feels to be right!
In my humble opinion, the Bible should be carefully and comprehensively studied, not blindly swallowed.
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It will be a great mistake for our government and a great mistake for this nation. That's garbage! We need more love in this world. Not hate and anger. George Wallace said the same thing at the school house door. Look how ridiculous he looks now.
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