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October 4th, 2011
06:02 PM ET

Joel Osteen's opposition to gay marriage: "200 years from now, the scripture is still going to say that"

Best-selling author and pastor Joel Osteen is a guest on "Piers Morgan Tonight" this evening, and talks about his opposition to gay marriage, which got major attention the last time he was on the show. "I'm not mad at anybody, I don't dislike anybody," he tells Piers Morgan. "But respecting my faith and believing what the scripture says, that's the way I interpret it...200 years from now, the scripture is still going to say that."

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  1. Steve Louis

    Tired same old guest list that other tired old interviewers have done. CNN has gone Hollywood. We have heard Joel and Victoria preach their hate about gays. Lets move on! PLEASE

    October 4, 2011 at 6:31 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • JBM

      I believe that Piers and Joel both need to read the Holy Bible (God's Word) and they will find the answers that are bothering Piers.

      October 4, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • Kurt

        No, it's just that they want to preclude gay people's desires to marry (say "thank you" to God for putting someone I love so much in my life) based on HIS religious beliefs. A gay person's getting married IN NO WAY affects the lives ot Joel Osteen – – however Joel Osteen wants to affect the live of gay people – publically delegitimizing their desires to commit their souls to each other in Christ (in their view of Christ). Christianity has many different forms (Episcopalian, Lutheran, Catholic, Unitarian, Presbyterian...) – – why does everyone have to adhere to Joel Osteen's particular view...just because he calls HIMSELF a scholar of the Scripture. There are a lot of Christian scholars who don'thave a problem with it. America is a country FOR ALL...with separation of Church and State. I would suggest alternatively, that the govenment removes itself from ANYONE's marriage...letting each Church decide for themselves what brand of Christianity they believe in....then YOU can go to his Church, think what you want...and we can go to ours. We both win. And truly, God's love is in ALL OF US – we are his children, and we were born this way. You can't imagine are not in my head/body...if you were, you would just know that it is a visceral inherent trait that FEEL to the root of our core, just as an Asian person knows he/she was born Asian. Mind your own business.

        October 5, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
      • greg

        Christianity is only based upon one person, the man Jesus Christ. It does not have many forms; it only has one form. People have many preferences, but people are not Christianity. The character and personality of Christ is Christianity. It is alright for anyone to oppose any preference; the preference means nothing: whether you are protestant, catholic, baptist, etc. you won't stand before Christ and declare your preference. You will be silent; if his words don't testify for you then there is no need for you to say a word. Thus, if this discussion is about Christianity, then let us talk about the man Jesus, not joel, not a bunch of people choosing to be gay, not people opposing a bunch of people choosing to be gay. Let us talk about Jesus, and in talking humble ourselves; no man or beast is greater then he. This is the true question and obstacle, but the truth is people express disdain for Jesus by finding fault in people like Joel, who himself is trying to find his way.

        April 8, 2013 at 3:17 am | Report abuse |
      • greg

        No Kurt, God's love is not in us all! Jesus said, if a man loves me, he will keep my commandments, and my father will love him, and we will come unto him and make our abode with him. If God's love was in us all, then he would never have to come unto us, and the word IF would not be a part of the statement. So either Jesus is lying, or we are lying? The truth is the words of Christ are a reflection is his character and personality; we cannot change that; he has sealed his gospel with his life. The thing is, God made male and female, he created both, and he gave both purpose, and the purpose was not to burn in lust one for another. A man was supposed to love his wife, not just lust after a woman, but men have perverted what they were created to be and despised the character and personality of God in Christ. Two men, or two women hooking up is a preference; it is what we prefer for whatever reason. Some men can't handle a relationship with a woman. Some men like feeling or acting like a woman, etc. But truth be told in all relationships someone is going to assume the role of being the man, and someone is going to assume the role of a woman. Gay or straight. The catch to it all is the words of Jesus, "if the works which have been done here had been done in Sodom and Gomorrah, they would have repented with sackcloth and ashes." The question is why were they destroyed? Was it because they were men with men, or women with women? It was because they no longer had any respect for God, and though he walked in the midst of them, they did not perceive it, and the thoughts of their hearts were wicked before him, because they thought to change the word of God and justify their preferences with arrogance. Sounds familiar???????????

        April 8, 2013 at 3:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Chere

      In no way does he hate gays. If he hated everyone who lives a life other than the Christian faith he believes, he'd never have anyone in his church as all of us are guilty of something or have opinions different than his.

      October 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • Kurt

        I think Joel is an excellent speaker I often watch his program. I think that Piers was very rude and childish when asking Joel questions and over talking him, which is what Piers often, does with most that come on his show. At one point Victoria had to talk louder in order to continue her response to the question Piers ask as he continued to cut her off as well. However, when Piers interviewed Oprah he was respectful and did not over talk and interrupt her in the middle of her responses because he knows that Oprah would have politely corrected him with a response such as would you like for me to answer the question you ask before chopping off her response. I never hear the other CNN Host doing this and if they do, they are usually apologetic and do not typically interrupt the guest when they are responding to questions being ask. I hope that management of CNN will help Piers correct his rude and childish manners that when ask the guest questions we (the viewers would like him to be quiet let them respond) then Piers can ask additional information or the next question. Victoria and Joel are such respectful people that they would not dare call him out on the show. I am writing this because Management certainly should replace Piers he is not very professional and this information includes Nancy as well she over talks other attorneys in a very rude manner, other people opinions deserve to be heard as well, she and Piers are constantly interrupting other attorneys and guest when they are speaking and do not bother to apologize. Also, please do not bring Larry King back let him rest. CNN is a well-respected program and people look to see host that they can trust and believe in what they are addressing as well as allow the viewers to learn what the guest has to say regarding their own situation other than the host trying to steal the show putting words in their mouths. Anderson, Joy, Dr. Drew and Jane, Don Lemon set great examples of how interviews should be conducted. They ask the question, listen to the responses from the guest and discuss the situation together professionally that is entertainment because we learn from them. We do not learn anything from host that need to be heard and are constantly over talking the guest and even yelling, if the guest yell for whatever reason the host should keep a calm demeanor in order to control the interview as best possible.

        October 5, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Troy Licensed Social Worker

      you always try to peel the core off people you need to use better ettiquite or you wont get through.
      Just a thought. Troy

      October 4, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • NYCPro

        Piers has ZERO etiquette

        October 5, 2011 at 12:40 am | Report abuse |
    • NYCPro

      Piers Morgan is pathetic in this interview with Joel. Trying sooo hard to cause controversy and make waves. I ahev lost all respect for him to try and "pin" Joel down just for rating for his show. Disgusting

      October 5, 2011 at 12:39 am | Report abuse | Reply
      • greg

        Why is anyone basing their faith on Joel Osteen. In a man's tool shed there are many tools to bring about the product he desires. Joel Osteen serves a part, T.D. Jakes serves a part, Oral Roberts, Billy Graham, etc. All are tools to bring about the product, but only the Lord has determined and finished the product. People complaining about the tools more then focusing on the end product. If you believe in Christ, each person you encounter either adds to or takes away from your faith. They don't determine which, you do. Any time anyone takes out a Bible I learn something if they read the scripture. If they read their own words that is a different story, but it is sad that Mr. Osteen and his wife would be criticized if they say something, criticized if they don't say something; yet, the people who do the criticizing if you say one word about them they are going to cry foul. Something is wrong with that picture.

        April 8, 2013 at 3:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Ben Conrad

      Joel Osteen doesn't have an opinion on the death penalty! Are you kidding me! Believes in the sancity of life but doesn't have an opinion on the death penalty. What a politician.

      October 5, 2011 at 12:43 am | Report abuse | Reply
  2. Steve Donovan

    This idea can add thousands of jobs nationally. Copy the state laws of Oregon and New Jersey regarding the pumping of gas. Currently in those two states it is illegal for a driver to pump his or her own gas. There are paid gas pumpers at every pump in those states and gas stations can lose their licenses if a driver even touches a gas nozzle.
    If this was made a national law it would add jobs overnight. It may sound simplistic but if each state now letting drivers gas up their own cars had 1000 stations and had to add 3 jobs for each station the number of jobs added would be 144 thousand. In reality the number of stations is much higher. Have some assistant research the actual numbers and do the math and I'd bet it would come out closer to half a million jobs.
    Meanwhile, keep on interviewing like you are; I love your show!
    Steve Donovan
    568 Franklin St.
    Duxbury, MA 02332

    October 4, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Chris J

      So what do you think that 'plan' would do to the price of gasoline? And how many out of work people do you think would actually want to sit and pump gas?

      October 4, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Troy

      Yes, and help disabled drivers as well.

      October 4, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Deiby Reele

      Steve, I lived in NJ for most of my life. Most gas stations have only ONE person pumping gas on each shift not 3. The larger or chain stations, like Wawa, have 3 people pumping, but they are also driving the Mom & Pop gas stations Out of Business. You need to do more research & get your facts straight.
      Provincetown, MA

      October 5, 2011 at 1:17 am | Report abuse | Reply
  3. TanyaTweeton

    you are right about Amanda.She is guilty at a minimum of being an accomplice. She WAS convicted of slander. The bloody prints in the hallway were NOT discredited .She WAS stoned that night and said she couldn't remember much.I talk to my daughter daily who lives in Italy and we have been following this for 4 years .Amanda has simply lied quite a few times! The Italian courts have also been under tremendous prssure to let her go. This has not been their finest hour to be sure. Meredith and Amanda dsiliked each other intensely . Meredith disliked her as a roommate. Justice has just not been served.Gloria Allred simply does not have all the facts. A movie? A book? This is a sickening thought. Think O.J. think Casey Anthony.This is an Italian version.My real sympathies are with the Kirchers... period.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Jane A

      I think if Italy wanted to give her a fair trial, they would not have chosen just the photos of her that they did to release, meaning those that fit the "foxy knoxy" theme. There is no similarity between this case and the Anthony case.

      October 4, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • KNM

        Thank you for saying that! I'm so tired of hearing every case compared to the Casey Anthony case now. It's ridiculous.

        October 5, 2011 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
    • CP

      Well stop the presses, your daughter lives in Italy. That MUST mean that you have a complete insight into the inner workings of the mind of Amanda Knox – enough to make a definitive judgement that she is a cold-blooded murderer. And you can make that judgement even in spite of the complete lack of definitive evidence that proves anything.

      The truth is you have no idea how those two girls felt about each other or got along. And even if they did dislike each other – as is the case with a countless number of current and past room mates – that doesn't make the case that someone is a murderer.

      October 4, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  4. Jas Madhavan

    Piers, I can't believe you have to go to the same tired faces for interviews. Have you run out of interesting people to talk to? The Osteens are happy, and so would anybody else, if they raked in millions from gullible people who believe in the "happy message" these people put out day in and day out.
    Go out and find something interesting to talk about. Not many people want to listen to this kind of evangelical drivel.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  5. Dee

    Piers .... what happened to 6 Million Jews? How did it suddenly become 5 Million?
    Great job, you're no different from all those who say the Holocaust never happened: if you continue like that, we'll soon be down to a few meager tens of thousands, and who should care about that in the scheme of things?
    6 Million, remember – 6 Million, it will always stay 6 Million and no one did anything about it!! Remember!!

    October 4, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Charles

      I think they are refreshing. He is more of a motivational speaker than evangelical preacher. I lot of people garner strength from him.

      October 4, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Joseph

      Wow just one mistake...if you're doing that the think about this. It most likely was not exactly 6 million Jews. So if you're attacking him think about what you're saying. I t was just a mistake. You don't have to point it out.

      January 21, 2012 at 12:42 am | Report abuse | Reply
  6. Diane Fisher

    I found it insulting and revolting to listen to Joel Osteen and Piers Morgan talk about how happy poor people are. When they agreed that poor people are happier because they have "less distractions" than the rich, I was disgusted by their insensitivity. In the USA today, the gap between the poor and rich is widening. We have a high poverty rate. These poor people are worrying about how they're going to feed their children tomorrow. They're worrying about how to pay their electric bill or keep the roof over their family. The thought that "distractions" like whether or not to buy the Mercedes or the Porsche make a person more unhappy than survival distractions is ridiculous. Using Morgan's logic, the slaves must have been very happy. I guess that all he would see is that they were singing and dancing once in a while.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  7. Chris Woodburn

    Does he support capital punishment. " I don't know" I believe was the response. If you are a Christian there can only be one answer.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      yeah, exactly.

      October 4, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Joel is a Phony Preacher

      Joel loves the world, that's why he refuses to answer. Also, Joel does not comprehend Jesus' truth, only stroking folks for money as he hides behind Jesus.

      "If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." John 15:19-20

      "Friendship with the world is enmity to God." James 4:4

      "...the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." John 3:19-20

      "...the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:5

      "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness.... Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:20-21

      October 5, 2011 at 8:46 am | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Eileen

    I cannot fathom that a Christian pastor would refuse to denounce the death penalty publicly. It's not like being anti-death penalty is radical. The Catholic church condemns the death penalty. That just completely exposes the Osteens to be pandering to the bloodthirsty fundamentalists. No true "evangelical' who wants to spread the word of God could support the death penalty. And their tacit support exposes the shallowness of their faith and convictions. Real believers are not afraid to state their beliefs.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:38 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      That was the point in the interview in which I switched to "Family Guy".

      October 4, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Joel is a Phony Preacher

      The Catholic Church is just as phony as Joel when it comes to preaching Jesus' truth. If either one were preaching Jesus' truth, we wouldn't have murderers in this world.

      October 5, 2011 at 8:50 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • greg

      as for opposing the death penalty, the lady should read the writings of the Apostle Paul more; he spoke about there is no government established accept the Lord allows, and law is not for the godly, but for lawbreakers, so those who bear rule bear rule because of God, so the lawbreaker should fear the judgment. If you use not opposing the death penalty against any Christian, you have to realize the death penalty is not for those who abide under the law with grace and truth. When someone commits a crime, it is not the Christian who judges them; the most part the people doing the judging many times are not Christians, some have no respect nor fear for God, and some to be honest want to see the world burn.

      April 8, 2013 at 3:22 am | Report abuse | Reply
  9. Eileen

    And they can't condemn killing people who may be innocent, but they will condemn two men getting married. Ridiculous.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  10. Di Zimmer

    Quote me the scriptures you are referring to keep beating this to death and NO readings......give them now....where are they????? where is it condemned in the Bible??????

    October 4, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      I don't know about Joel, but I'll tell you that Jesus said in Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."

      October 4, 2011 at 10:19 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  11. Brian Bronk

    love your style piers. how you corner him on issues, very good.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  12. Cynthia

    the Word of God says in Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts niether are your ways My ways declares the Lord For as the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts

    October 4, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  13. zthinker

    really? you seem to just want to smear mr. olsteen... not very investigative or informative. maybe you should aim higher next time.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  14. Tammy

    If Piers Morgan would let people finish their sentences, we might hear the whole story. He's rude!

    October 4, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  15. Kenneth

    I think that Joel and Victoria Osteen are right ! PRAISE GOD FOR THEM !!!!

    October 4, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  16. Chere

    Good for Joel for coming back on the program. Piers is hard on him and he's not afraid to come back.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  17. marie

    Piers, it's disappointing & annoying, how you don't allow the people you invite to sit and 'speak' with 'speak'!
    You ask a question, and as they give you an answer you continuously interrupt them!
    OR, answer the question for them!

    October 4, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Eileen

      Agree with you 100% – Piers should ask Larry for a few tips how to host the show.

      October 5, 2011 at 10:12 am | Report abuse | Reply
      • jc both have no balls....larry king was an outdated, old 'soft ball' lobber....any 'leader' of many, making huge sums of cash with fame needs to be scrutinized under a microscope with tough're upset because you now see the emperor has no clothes and was exposed for how he is: a shallow, politically correct, sometimes hypocritical dude...yet still leading the masses (meh!!!!) and making huge sums of money off of all you fools.

        October 9, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Report abuse |
  18. Kenneth

    Its a shame that someone would need to have someone else quote scripture when they should know it themself...... And as for Piers Morgan he just tries to tear people down to his level so that he can feel better about himself.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  19. Joanne

    Quite unbelieveable that Osteen's are so wishy washy in their option or stand on biblical things and yet they profess to believe so strongly in the word...I think your comment that how can they attend a wedding of gay people when they are commiting sin according to the word. They care far too much about what people think instead of God's option.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  20. Tracy Herz

    Well, Joel Osteen and his wife are really on trial tonight aren't they? But no tough questions for Chaz Bono because we want Cher on the show, right? Shame.

    October 4, 2011 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  21. Frank

    Watching Piers conduct his interview tonight was very sad and pathetic to use Pier's words. Piers continues to conduct reactionary journalism which focuses on asking repeated questions about potentially controversial topics in order to draw out reactions that he and CNN can sensationalize. Piers continued to batter Joel and his wife on gay marriage, execution, and presidential candidates religion. Piers looked like a guy in pain that was struggling to 'find his mind field" but unfortunately that he found was that he wasted an entire hour missing opportunities to ask questions that enabled what audience to learn about the persons being interviewed. Piers I sincerely think you need counseling as your own insecurities seem to drive your conduct. CNN is seriously losing a viewer base that craves real journalists.

    October 4, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  22. Eloise

    I find it hard to comprehend that Piers is comfortable in accepting this obvious cop out. As aChristian and a
    Pastor, he can not opt out and feign ignorance on some of these controversial topics. For a major pastor, it is impossible that h does n ave a point of view on major issues e.g. Gay marriage – shocking

    October 4, 2011 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  23. Helen

    For a so called evangelical preacher this man has not quoted anything from the bible, he is unable to give an opinion on anything Piers has asked him. How he has millions of followers is beyond me. He is is spouting bland bland fluffy nonsense and doesn't even have enough backbone to take a stand and truly believe in something one side or the other. Ridiculous man, no real opinion on gay marriage, death penalty, abortion, politics, because to stand up on national tv and do that risks offending a large number of his 'congregation' and therefore his large cash income which has got him rich

    October 4, 2011 at 10:02 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  24. Bob

    I just watched this interview for 35 minutes trying to give Osteen the benefit of the doubt. I cannot believe, as powerful a man as he is, a "Christian" has no opinion on capital punishment . . . he preaches the Bible so much, but has he ever read it? You know, the part where Jesus says " . . . no longer an eye for an eye . . ." He of ALL people should be trumpeting this message. But yet abortion he's CLEARLY against . . . oh, and gay people. How come as an atheist, I believe in Christ's message more than him?

    October 4, 2011 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  25. Chip

    PM and the Osteen are a perfect pair – both phonies and closet queens.

    October 4, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  26. izu

    thank you pierce for putting this man on the hot seat, in my opinion,a spiritual leader must be guided by clear principles so when pastor joel answered that he will attend a gay marriage,thats very shallow of him. yes he's there to bring sinners to God but should not be seen appearing to be encouraging same thing he called sin. Biblically, gay marriage is a sin just like any other like murder, telling lies and stealing so if his very good friend invites him to come take a picture while he is robbing a bank, will he do so?, he is s spiritual leader but it doesnt appear he is aware of the position God has given him, I am african and live in america so I can see he is just overwhelmed in his society, is he now a politician or is he looking for more members in his church. I feel sorry for his soul. God will help us.

    October 4, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      So Jesus made a mistake when he was hanging out with Mary Magdalene?

      October 4, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • izu

        no he didnt but the purpose was made manifest. the contests are different and the application was as well. from a leadership point of view he needs to be more strictly guided that i would be as a follower. just application>.

        October 4, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bob

        I understand what you are saying, but when Jesus was criticized for reaching out to the poor, indigent and "sinners", he said (paraphrased) these are the people I have come to save, so in that spirit, I can appreciate Osteen saying this. I don't mean to defend Osteen, but that was part of Christ's message.

        October 4, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Report abuse |
  27. Gladys

    I am very, very disapointed of Joel Osteen. He can neve defend the scripture in it entirely. He with "I tihink, I think, I think" It is not about what you think Osteen, It is about what the Bibble says. So you will not marry a gay couple but will go to the wedding? don't you go to a wedding to support the ones that are getting married? please set your mind and go back and study the Word of God maybe you forgot it because you were too, too busy writing little books about steps for everything . The Bible has all the steps for a better life. God doesnot asept gay marrige I would we? Levi 20: 13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. New Testament: Romans 1:26-28
    King James Version (KJV)
    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    The love to money is the root to all sins. Maybe you were Christian once but have let the devil corrupt your heart that now you are so affraid to loose what you have if you defend the Word of God. It is so so so sad that people like you are the one up there embarrasing our faith in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Very disapointed of you.

    October 4, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  28. Gladys

    Pier, why don't you invite John Piper to you show and ask him all of those questions you asked Joel Osteen? Oh, I know because Joel Osteen is already known as a spiritul leader that goes by wind of the society and that what your show an CNN like to do. Take the value away from Christianity. But it doesn't matter because the word of God has it value whether Joel defends it or not. Read it.

    October 4, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  29. izu

    all other spiritual leaders condemned the death penalty openly but your american pastor joel couldnt use his God given position to state clearly on national TV that death penalty is wrong and should be abolished. thats what true christians expect from him based on the scriptures he claimed to be following because Jesus denounced it. He is a shallow man. What a shame...

    October 4, 2011 at 10:34 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      He ain't my "American Pastor", don't blame all of us! There are some of us who have read your book, denounce the faith but STILL think Christ's message is relevant, important and true. Life is precious, and NONE of us have a right to take a life.

      October 4, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • izu

        i appreciate your insight bob... its just that in these present times so many people are confused and ignorant and we need men with heart to come out and be counted. permit me to use the word radical. we need radical christians to help direct the way america is heading. i will never cast a stone on a gay but what happens if every other being inamerica is gay in 15years time, who will go out and "re-create" ? think about it.
        Secondly i understand joel's position on death penalty but as a spiritual leader with many followers i expected him to acknowledge that the law of the land may be for the death row (which he did) but he should be clear on sounding out to the system that death row has to be throughly proven..not like in the latest eposiode without DNA and many doubts. this is america of 2011 not 1850. That should be a message from a church leader.. clear and precise.. he failed there too.

        October 4, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
      • Bob

        No disrespect izu, but I think we already have too many "radical" Christians in America, not only are they radical, but ignorant of the teachings. I studied Christianity for many years to become a Greek Orthodox Priest – in Egypt, Israel and Greece. Many American Christians have absolutely no tolerance for any other belief system except their own watered-down mistranslated version. They miss the entire point of the teachings, they miss the point of what America stands for, what our Founding Fathers were trying to create – a land in which all belief systems and people would be treated with dignity and respect while respecting none in particular; As a gay man, American Christians insist upon stripping me of my civil rights because of some things that appear in their book. It's not my book, why should I have to abide by their religious rules? You should not fear that "every other being in america would be gay in 15 years", gay people are gay, straight people are straight, that's the way it is and ever shall be. it's been that way since time began. This isn't new – cultures have written about this forever, mostly in positive ways. It appears in the 9th Chapter of the Kama Sutra, ancient Greek texts, and even in the Old Testament – upon the death of Jonathan, David laments "Your love to me was more wonderful Than the love of women". I'm not making this stuff up. Seriously, if you want to talk further, you can email me at

        October 5, 2011 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      oh, please note . . . I'm not attacking you, in all sincerity I think this is a constructive and appropriate discussion to have.

      October 5, 2011 at 12:22 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Izzy

      Perhaps if you saw the death penalty as post-natal abortion, you would be more comfortable with it. You worry about a few possible innocents what about the MILLIONS of actual innocents that are killed by abortion here and world-wide.

      October 5, 2011 at 12:46 am | Report abuse | Reply
      • Bob

        Not sure who you were directing that comment to, but I'm a pro-lifer . . . for pro-choice. I don't believe a man has any right to be involved in that decision. I think that's an issue that should strictly be between women.

        October 5, 2011 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
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    Why Didn't Piers ask this fraud if he would pay more taxes to help his people.

    October 4, 2011 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  31. Linzey

    It really shouldn't be so difficult for a christian to know what to think about the death penalty... ask yourself, what would Jesus think about it? Jesus would not be in favor of the death penalty. How is it that so many people are fooled by this guy? He won't say anything that is going to alienate his financial supporters. If the people giving him money want to kill people, then who is he to speak out against it.

    October 4, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  32. Martin

    What a disappointing example of spiritual leadership. Joel ducked almost every question that Piers asked with the reply that he needed to study the subject or think about his answer. What part of "thou shall not kill" is so hard to understand. Is his heart so clouded that he fails to see?

    October 4, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      Yeah, and Georgia keeps trying to keep the 10 commandments in courthouses. You can't have it both ways.

      October 5, 2011 at 12:16 am | Report abuse | Reply
  33. Whitney

    I think Piers needs to let up on the death penalty issue. What he and a lot of the media fail to see is that great leaders are not great because they always have an absolute answer, but they are great when they can admit when they don't know the answer. It's totally OK for Joel not to feel comfortable with the issue of death. He leaves those determinations to GOD and just encourages people to seek God for those answers, not him. I wish the media would just let life play out and stop trying to put everything and everyone into a bucket for good ratings.

    October 5, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      It was fair for Piers to ask his stance based on his beliefs, after all, he agreed to go on the show – and he's a Pastor. He wasn't gonna' be talking about his love life! What I found astounding was Osteen's inability to take the opportunity to proselytize, the very thing he does for a living – and teach the Christian belief that killing is wrong, no matter what. It's in the old Testament, Jesus said it . . . does he not believe these things? He missed a golden opportunity to be a champion.

      October 5, 2011 at 12:58 am | Report abuse | Reply
  34. NYCPro

    Piers is DISGUSTING to ask such question to try and humiliate Joel and his wife. Piers is the WORST and i now have great detest for him.

    October 5, 2011 at 12:43 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • jc

      no you are disgusting because you can't confront your religious leader as he truly is: a vacuous dude caught up in fame/fortune who can't handle the tough questions, (or offers shallow,politically correct, hypocritical ones) yet enjoys rakig in cash and being a 'leader' (meh!!!) to many....good to see piers not tossing soft ball lobs in the spirit of boring larry king...go piers go.

      October 9, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  35. Taryn

    I wonder if anyone has ever probed Osteen on the exclusive nature of wealth. The prosperity gospel is hot and heavy, yet none of these pastors seem capable of performing simple math. The world cannot handle the few who have much already.

    I don't buy the guy's humility for a second. Being from Houston, I get sick every time I pass the stadium and see his name in six-foot letters. I was once a Christian and am now an atheist, but that sentiment has not changed. It's disgusting.

    Osteen does not deserve America's attentions. He stands nowhere. Really, he doesn't know enough about the death penalty to make a firm stance? Of course he can't. He's a walking ad campaign. He can't take a stance that would hurt his brand.

    October 5, 2011 at 12:51 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Bob

      atheist to atheist – that's what disturbs me the most, he's supposed to be Christian. Shouldn't even be a question.

      October 5, 2011 at 1:01 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lisa

      agree 100%!, where is the Christian? not there.

      October 5, 2011 at 10:52 am | Report abuse | Reply
  36. Not Impressed

    Can your guest speak or must you continuously speak over and interrupt them? And can you be respectful of your guests or must you continue to treat another human being w/ disrespect to make a buck! You do the same to the candidates on American Idol. May you learn to learn what love, respect and tact are – SOON.

    October 5, 2011 at 12:54 am | Report abuse | Reply
  37. Maggie

    Piers, God Bless You!

    October 5, 2011 at 12:57 am | Report abuse | Reply
  38. Anne

    A pastor who "does not know much about death penalty". or about how the Mormon belief differs from his.. Insane how one can be so shallow and dishonest being a pastor.

    October 5, 2011 at 1:07 am | Report abuse | Reply
  39. dan

    I used to like Joel. I know believe he is just another politician trying to win approval. If he were a wise man he would speak better towards gays, His words promote hatred and shame to our yourthin america. He should be ashamed. He is ignaorant and still trying to look like he has respect for gays. Joel please get informed . You are ignorant and spreading ignorance. Seek counsel from you rwife and kids. I believe they know more about the subject than you do and are afraid to challenge you! Do you live in a bubble?

    October 5, 2011 at 1:50 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • jc more of these religious leaders go from 'zero to hero' they get caught up as an aspiring actor would in looking good/sounding good and avoiding speaking the truth on hard issues.

      October 9, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  40. Pete Reeves

    "Trapped in a factory??" What are you talking about? I work in a factory and love it! I build something every single night, I can see what I accomplish everysingle day! YOU can't leave your house or hotel or resort and travel without seeing something I've built! What do you do? Gossip and yak like an old woman? I make more money than I've ever made in my life! I own two houses outright and have ABSOLUTELY NO DEBT! Trapped? My life is gravy while yours is sitting in a bubble world wondering and guessing what's going on rather than coming out here and doing it yourself!! YOU Piers Morgan are trapped! I'm living a great life and building Signs that will outlive me. That's a fantastic thought – thousands and thousands of signs across the country with my dogs and cats names written in all of them. You dude are trapped in front of a camera and now you're stuck. Bummer! Pete Reeves Altoona, PA

    October 5, 2011 at 3:29 am | Report abuse | Reply
  41. Linda Rodriguez, kerrville Texas

    A few people said it right on the spot ! pierce DOES ask questions and in the middle or even at the beginning, he cuts them off.... so therefore nobody can get the real answer, just so he can cause controversy, I agree with Joel and Victoria on their half answers. They are who they are called to be, just because not everybody believes how they believe doesn't mean he has to bash them on national television and try to be satan himself and cause problems....just thank God we are able to have the right to voice OUR OWN OPINIONS! Because there are places we cannot be who we want n say what we want. I would of gave the same answer about gay people...i believe in the bible n love our Lord and savior and like them would still love and care for any gay person even tho it says that in the bible. That's what makes you a just seemed like you wanted to draw up trouble and bring these people down. And like them I will and am gonna pray for you because after what you did on television about a man and woman of God, you need to get on your knees and pray for forgiveness for trying to destroy what God has called them to be. You n CNN should be ashamed of yourselves!!!!!! And for those out there, I am no where near a perfect person, their is only one perfect....our Jesus.....but i will search for the scripture your asking for.Maybe Like Joel, I never just sat and condemned gay people so it was not A huge issue for me to just go researching for specifics on how to judge one another.

    October 5, 2011 at 5:55 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • jc

      nonsense that piers cuts people should be so lucky that he cut those two dufus' off when he could as they looked as shallow and hypocritical as many other popular mainstream religious 'leaders' of the hordes making fortunes...meh!!!!!

      October 9, 2011 at 12:41 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  42. Dennis S

    I love beef stew, moose stew and fish stew.
    But the STEW I enjoyed the most was the stewing that Piers Morgan gave Joel and Victoria Osteen

    October 5, 2011 at 7:40 am | Report abuse | Reply
  43. Jeremiah

    i love John hagee sermons and Joel osteen sermons are also good but but being non denominational make me wonder whether he really practices what the bible Bible teaches. anyway he has nice teaching

    October 5, 2011 at 8:02 am | Report abuse | Reply
  44. Jeremiah

    i love John hagee sermons and Joel osteen sermons are also good but but being non denominational make me wonder whether he really practices what the bible Bible teaches. anyway he has nice teaching

    October 5, 2011 at 8:03 am | Report abuse | Reply
  45. Lisa

    Thank you for trying to get a straight answer from this guy on the death penalty! So in his mind he is not [smart enough] to give an opinion on the death penalty (right? wrong? don't know?). But thinks abortion is definitely wrong? Really?

    October 5, 2011 at 10:46 am | Report abuse | Reply
  46. Cathryn

    I think Joel is an excellent speaker I often watch his program. I think that Piers was very rude and childish when asking Joel questions and over talking him, which is what Piers often, does with most that come on his show. At one point Victoria had to talk louder in order to continue her response to the question Piers ask as he continued to cut her off as well. However, when Piers interviewed Oprah he was respectful and did not over talk and interrupt her in the middle of her responses because he knows that Oprah would have politely corrected him with a response such as would you like for me to answer the question you ask before chopping off her response. I never hear the other CNN Host doing this and if they do, they are usually apologetic and do not typically interrupt the guest when they are responding to questions being ask. I hope that management of CNN will help Piers correct his rude and childish manners that when ask the guest questions we (the viewers would like him to be quiet let them respond) then Piers can ask additional information or the next question. Victoria and Joel are such respectful people that they would not dare call him out on the show. I am writing this because Management certainly should replace Piers he is not very professional and this information includes Nancy as well she over talks other attorneys in a very rude manner, other people opinions deserve to be heard as well, she and Piers are constantly interrupting other attorneys and guest when they are speaking and do not bother to apologize. Also, please do not bring Larry King back let him rest. CNN is a well-respected program and people look to see host that they can trust and believe in what they are addressing as well as allow the viewers to learn what the guest has to say regarding their own situation other than the host trying to steal the show putting words in their mouths. Anderson, Joy, Dr. Drew and Jane, Don Lemon set great examples of how interviews should be conducted. They ask the question, listen to the responses from the guest and discuss the situation together professionally that is entertainment because we learn from them. We do not learn anything from host that need to be heard and are constantly over talking the guest and even yelling, if the guest yell for whatever reason the host should keep a calm demeanor in order to control the interview as best possible.

    October 5, 2011 at 10:53 am | Report abuse | Reply
  47. zq

    Like always, Piers did great job. Piers asked great question to Joel and Pastor has only one answer “I DO NOT KNOW”
    If you do not know why you come to TV.

    October 5, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  48. jinoh

    If Joel Osteen wants to cling to Muslim Sharia or Jewish Halakha law, he's welcome to. This is America after all. Personally, I'll stick to Christian teachings, which say nothing of a kind. Sorry Joel.

    October 5, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  49. Jos. A. Mustich

    Jeez, what a bunch of hocus pocus. As a Congregationist, I'm studying the Old and New Bible now....jeez, lol, the Greek and Roman "myths" are much more interesting dude...
    Cheers, Joe Mustich, CT USA, Justice of the Peace

    October 6, 2011 at 10:18 am | Report abuse | Reply
  50. Free to talk!

    Osteen must NOT talk on TV anymore, this interview made me throw up. I cannot believe how ignorant and biased somebody can be! And how about having confidence to say what you believe in??!!

    October 6, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  51. jc

    piers..this was one of your better interviews, taking off the gloves against these shallow hypocritical religious 'leaders'...go piers go!...such a refreshing change from the soft ball lobs of larry those dissing piers as not having manners, give your head a shake: people being a 'leader' to millions (meh!!!!!) and also making fortunes from these dumbdowned masses should be held up to scrutiny as often as possible...that this reglious dude and his wife couldn't offer insightful intelligent answers when pressed says volumes...good for you piers!

    October 9, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  52. Alfredo

    After watching this Joel Osteen interview I lost all of the little respect I had for Joel & Victoria Osteen. To his followers... Watch out, this is a wolf dressed as a sheep. A terrible role model for christianity.

    October 9, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  53. Marry

    Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!
    Well Piers, if you do have my (polite) comment, why don’t post it? I thought you want us to participate in the debate? Getting selective?

    October 10, 2011 at 1:16 am | Report abuse | Reply
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