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Kirk Cameron on homosexuality: "It's detrimental, and ultimately destructive"
Coming up this evening on "Piers Morgan Tonight," actor and evangelist Kirk Cameron sits down for a candid and engaging discussion on politics, faith, values, and morals.
Best known for his role as the lovable Mike Seaver on television's "Growing Pains," Cameron is now a 41-year-old father of 6, and a Born Again Christian. Against a backdrop of the upcoming election, host Piers Morgan asks Cameron where he stands on various hot button social issues, including gay marriage:
"Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve. One man, one woman for life till death do you part. So I would never attempt to try to redefine marriage. And I don't think anyone else should either," explains Cameron. "So do I support the idea of gay marriage? No, I don't."
Joining Morgan in person, Cameron goes on to explain his views on homosexuality:
"I think that it's - it's - it's unnatural. I think that it's - it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."
Tune in to "Piers Morgan Tonight" at 9 p.m. ET/PT as the host of the upcoming documentary "Monumental" reveals his views on abortion, and details what he'd do if one of his children came to him and said "I'm gay."
What about his views on the 'rapture'? These are equally erroneous and destructive.
Pierce, you obviously were uncomfortable with the morals of kirk cameron. I thought you were an open guy, but your body language and your tone with him was defensive which was not necessary because you were not being attacked. May you learn to accept love when it is right in front of you. God bless. Good job Kirk.
I think Kirk is the one who looked uncomfortable. When asked point blank, yes or no if he thought being gay was a sin, he became defensive. He did not answer it directly. Instead, he said he did not want to go against God. He reminded me of a politician. If one thinks it is a sin, stand up for it and say so. He seemed too conerned with being "politcally correct."
God loves everyone regardless. In the Bible in the past we had slaves and women were second class. Times change and evolve for the good. If two guys love each other they should be able to be equal and marry. They are not sinners. I am sick and tired of some religious finatics thinking they know all and are about others or look down on others. What would God think of those people today. Maybe they need to look at themselves.....
I would have been uncomfortable too if I had been broadsided with an obivious air of contempt from the host. That is not good interviewing. Piers is more like Rush than he may want to acknowledge in his bias....neither seems to be able to handle opinoins and beliefs that are different from their own. It IS still a free country, and we still do have the right of free speech.
Spot on Jill. Great job Kirk!
If any saw Piers Morgan being defensive they don't understand his job as a news commentator. CNN news and thier commentary programs I find very balance and respectful in reporting the news. Piers was asking questions in knowing all his audience would not be in agreement with his guest. Yes Piers made his own views known which is good and fair as a commentator. Body languge showing his compations as he believes in shows he is human. The subject of morals and whose set of moral is right is what his guest was questioning and I believe is wrong like saying who's beliefe system is right.
It's interesting Jill how you berate Mr. Morgan for the interview of Kirk Cameron. Apparently you forget that if not for Mr. Morgan inviting Kirk Cameron to comment on the subject, no one, with the exception of a few would know or care who Kirk Cameron is. So, your comments considered, perhaps Mr. Morgan and the staff at CNN should never invite Kirk Cameron or anyone else with an opinion to participate in the show because it may not agree with your beliefs. Is that what I can derive from your comment?
I think It's OK for Pierce to look uncomfortable when faced with bigotry. I was certainly uncomfortable while watching it.
I used to be a minister and I am grateful that morality has changed. We are starting to love our brothers like ourselves more now than ever. Curt Camerons god seems to have a word for all of us, and it's a blanket "NO"
I agree with most of that comment. Piers, I have always enjoyed and admired you. I have respected and "heard" your opinions. Tonight, you were defensive, obviously. Not an impartial, professional interviewer. You obviously had disdain for his opinion, which I do not believe should have been that obvious. Your editing, also, was not impartial. I am dissappointed, to say the least. CNN, China News Network,,,as it has become, strikes again. Shame on you Piers, for being so closed minded, that no ones opinion matters..except yours
I agree. There was anger towards Kurt and only respect shown from Kurt. Kurt's manner was very kind. He did not say he hated gay people, on the contrary he said to love everyone but he also stood by what the Bible says on the subject. What a classy guy he grew up to be. Where is the tolerance from Pierce Morgan? Hmmm
This part of the interview reminds me of when Jesus was asked by Pontius Pilate "...are you king of the Jews ?" Akin to directly asking HIM "..are you Mashicach ?..." JESUS response was "...you have said so...". Why of all responses did JESUS give that ? Well, Kirk, great job ! you made the point wisely without leaving doubt as to what the LORD requires of us.
Kirk was right when he said we all choose a moral standard whether it is defined or not. For an authentic Christian that standard is set by the teachings of Jesus and the scriptures. For others it may be their favorite author, a pop or political icon, or their favorite professor, etc. Christians who believe in moral absolutes like Kirk will see an increasing chasm by those that oppose our moral standards and values.
Jill – Read the article first. You lose all credibility when you cannot even spell your target's name correctly. His name is "Piers," not "Pierce."
I agree with you Jill! Kirk responded honestly, lovingly, without harshness or aggressiveness, whereas Pierce was going too far into accepting to "agree to disagree." Way to go Kirk.
Well, I will not be watching CNN ever again. I thought Piers was an upstanding interviewer but he is spewing the same questions all anti-christian journalists do and I am greatly diappointed and will no longer watch any CNN show. Enough with your anti agendas across the board.
Pers was rude to Kirk acted like a bully and did not give him the courtesy to answer. As a Christian I thought Kirk was thoughtful and kind in his answers. To disagree with gay marriage and the gay lifestyle is a fundamental free speech right. The true bigots are those who shoot down other peoples opinions that disagree with their own.
Good job Kirk?????? Force your daughter to bear and raise a rapist's child yet ostracize your own child if they said I'm gay.
Kirk was brave and answered the question for what he believes. Good for him, it's easy to take a different path and just agree agree agree with whatever is "okay" at the time. We need more people like Kirk that stay up and are really honest with themselves and people they interact with. That is what America is all about and why this country is great. Im not saying everything that pops out of his mouth is right, but at least he has the courage to stand up and say what he believes!!
Piers, Thanks so much for these interviews with Kurt Camron, Santorum, Gingritch and the rest of the religions conservative right. I appreciate the interviews and find them quite intriguing. As a gay man married in California what I'm dying for you to ask these people, especially the politicians going for the president. I completely understand your religious convictions and your beliefs, however the U.S. has more than just Christians as citizens. The foundation of this country was built on freedom of Religion. There are many generations of American Buddhists, Jews, Protestant, Baptists, Quakers, Amish, Muslim, and yes Atheist. That the role of President, means you have the same responsibility to these people as you do a Christian. That no one religion should have define right over other. The more challenging discussion i am dying for you to ask Santorum, or Gingritch is how does one balance the line between your personal beliefs over the beliefs of the "entire" country. It would be my view that as a leader the "entire" country comes first over my personal convictions.
Appears that Kurt Camron's kids are screwed or going to be messed up if they ever come out gay. They're going to have a hell of a struggle with Dad's wishy washy I love you, but don't be gay message. Keep up the good work!
I just watched this interview that seems to have created so much controversy. In my opinion, as an open minded person, I did not see anything wrong with what Kirk Cameron had to say. I think it was highly rude of Piers Morgan to attack him with such questions when he knows that Kirk is an Evangelistic Christian. What did he really think he was suppose to say? Cameron: "I love God and believe in what the Bible says...but...I think it is okay and perfectly natural for men to be with men or women with women?" I mean come on...where does it say in the Bible that this is okay in God's eyes? Christians use their Bibles as the words to live their lives by. It is their instructional manual. He did not say anything rude or mean or nasty about gays. He was only going by what the Bible teaches and giving his replies honestly and accordingly. It is ultimately God's decision. Kirk was not judging. We are not to judge for only God has that right. I can certainly understand how Kirk would feel uncomfortable with the way Piers kept attacking him with the questions until he got answers. I got the impression he was trying to stir up trouble. Kudos to you Kirk for being such a perfect gentleman in the wake of Piers' rudeness.
Hey Piers, ask a devout Muslim on your show and question him on his social values like you did Cameron. The clock is ticking...
I think Jill's comment is right on the mark. Well said, Kirk Cameron.
Ryan...you're assessing of Kirk is dead wrong. Kirk is not afraid to speak his mind as he has done time and time again, however he was trying to convey his reasons for being not condoning it, without being brash, rude and unloving. If he were being a politician, we all know his answer would have been one that pleased the masses...and from the hateful reactions that people are posting, it's obvious he 's not doing that.
It's interesting that we have to be tolerant toward everybody but Christians.
The freedoms that the U.S. used to hold so dear such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion (notice it's was never freedom FROM religion), are all being stripped away in the name of tolerance.
I didn't see a shred of hatred or antagonism coming from Kirk Cameron, however I did notice Piers Morgan getting antagonistic.
As a fellow Christian I want to commend Kirk Cameron for not wavering and standing on the Word of God. He was asked to share his Christian faith and he did. I am not advocating hate toward anyone and God does love everyone but as a Christian we stand on the Word of God. It does not matter whether or not you agree or disagree the Word of God is going to stand. Keep Standing for the Word of God, Kirk! If God be for us, who can be stand against us?-Romans 8:31
Jill 100 % with you about Piers. Bravo Kirk! For exercising his freedom of speech to express what so MANY people believe!!!!!
right on!
Kirk, God bless you and your family. I felt so proud of you on this show. Finally someone had the courage to speak up for the WORD of God. The bible is not a book to be altered to suit the 'times'. The bible teaches us to follow God as we walk this journey, it is our road map, our guide and our comfort. We (Christians) believe that it is the inspired word of God and we follow it's teachings with great reverence. Revelation 22:18 warns us against omitting or adding to God's word. Genesis 2, verses 22-24 clearly show us God's plan for marriage. Thank you Kirk, you made me proud to be a Christian woman. I am terribly embarrassed for other pastors that have been on and have danced around this issue, the truth needs to be told.........we should never be ashamed to proclaim the gospel.
"The bible is not a book to be altered to suit the 'times'. "
Part of reading comprehension 101 is to put it into historical context to get the true meaning. Fundamentalist like you don't even get that grade school concept. What the bible condemns is male prostitution, adultery and idol worship. No where does your bible condemn the gay person as we know and understand it today! That's the POINT! It's why there are now gay churches, pastors, rabbi's, nuns going on record stating being gay is NOT a sin. Heck, there are many pastors that have written apology letters to the gay community. All you are doing and people like you is fueling hatred and prejudice towards this minority group and guess what that is not what your Christ would have wanted.
Ah, someone who's thinking logically. I totally agree with you Yo! (don't know why, but that made me laugh out loud a little bit).
Thank you Jill, I saw that too! I've seen a lot of this lately. Placing Christian people on the spot for their beliefs, it's a First Amendment right, and he didn't misspeak, way to go Kirk.
Jill, I believe Piers was just trying to get Kirk to answer the question he failed to answer the first two times he was asked. Piers is a journalist, he wants answers to his and the worlds questions. Also we are not in the 500AD anymore....time has changed....people have evolved.....and the WHOLE WORLD has changed and it is time that catholics/cristians (I am a catholic as well) evolve with the rest of the world, things never stay the same for long. People need to update with the world and times.
Well Said
Way to go Kirk!! And way to tell it Jill! In Genesis 19, God burnt down the city of Sodom because of gay immoral sin. So if God says it's wrong...then it's wrong. It's black or white. God wouldn't say "as long as you are happy son" because he knows that only true happiness is found in God. You can't say you're a Christian, but then not agree with his word. That's being a hypocrite..all of it's either true or none of it is. You can't walk the line because God didn't. God doesn't just sit around and let us be 'happy' in sin; he did something, he acted, he died for those people who are lost. So you can't just sit back and watch your son live in sin and believe it's right because that's giving them the okay to do it. It shows more love for Piers to tell his son it's wrong to hopefully save him rather than letting him live in sin. And if everyone did what made them happy then there'd be murderers and liars and sinners everywhere. Thanks Kirk and Jill for being the salt.
Argue all you want, but it's not Kirk you are arguing against.
Amen!! I don't hate gay people I like them! Does that make what they are doing right? no it does not. People don't want to hear that they are wrong...our pride get's in the way. Everyone want's to be liked, loved and accepted. so if I were to say to a gay person...you are wrong, and it's a sin, they would get mad at me,and just get so upset. This country is on a downhill slide, and I think that God is,and will take his hand off. God help us ALL! when he does. Just read the Bible people, open your eye's,a nd you mind, and you heart. listen to God for a change...not the Devil, who by the way hate's all of us, and want'snothing more than to see us fail, and die and go to hell. That...my friend's IS the truth.
Well seeing as god doesn't exist of course he is arguing against Kirk
Where is it you have seen Gods argument....leviticus? look again ignoramus
I just watched this interview that seems to have created so much controversy. In my opinion, as an open minded person, I did not see anything wrong with what Kirk Cameron had to say. I think it was highly rude of Piers Morgan to attack him with such questions when he knows that Kirk is an Evangelistic Christian. What did he really think he was suppose to say? Cameron: "I love God and believe in what the Bible says...but...I think it is okay and perfectly natural for men to be with men or women with women?" I mean come on...where does it say in the Bible that this is okay in God's eyes? Christians use their Bibles as the words to live their lives by. It is their instructional manual. He did not say anything rude or mean or nasty about gays. He was only going by what the Bible teaches and giving his replies honestly and accordingly. It is ultimately God's decision. Kirk was not judging. We are not to judge for only God has that right. I can certainly understand how Kirk would feel uncomfortable with the way Piers kept attacking him with the questions until he got answers. I got the impression he was trying to stir up trouble. Kudos to you Kirk for being such a perfect gentleman in the wake of Piers' rudeness.
Theresa,
Refer to your instructions manual and read Leviticus. I sure hope.....for the sake of your soul....that you have never eaten shellfish or any animal with a split hoof. Otherwise, that's right, you are SO going straight to hell. (see ya there!)
Being educated by Jesuit Catholics and extensive study of the Bible and Catechism I would consider myself an expert on what the Bible does, and does not, say. If you take everything to be LITERAL then you have missed the entire point. Here's the message......LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE
Opticnerd,
You are an idiot. The Bible says that the Lord told Moses and Aaron that the Israelites were not to eat the foods you are referring to. It is in the Old Testiment and has no bearing on anyone but the Israelites themselves. You really need to stop taking things out of context and get the correct meaning. I am neither Jews or from Israel.
How did an englishman become a commentator on America's ethics and culture? You are so unqualified to host this show. I have seen you demean and insult conservatives and religious views and cowtow to liberals and hollywood again and again. I have watched my last show. Please take your lisp and go back to England.
Lol. You watched your last show! Did you also eat your last supper too? Your comments are full of contempt towards others and you're obviously conflicted by your own "stated values." Outside of your hate of gays, You tell Peirce to essentially go back to his country, make fun of his accent and question his character. LOL! You are the worst kind of "Christian," the kind we are all warned about in the bible and the kind that is a laughing stock of the faith. For a "Christian," you sure are a miserable person. LOL makes us all smile honey.
Amen!
Gayle, you are a moron.How many innocent gays and lesbians must be beaten and comitt suicide until moronic bigotted people like you will stop spewing your hatred. You have blood on your hands and should be ashamed of yourself
Gaye, can I ask you a reasonable question? You ask how did an "Englishman" become a commentator on American ethics? Are you an American Indian? As in actual "Native" to North America? Or, perhaps are you like the other 99.9% of us Immigrants from...oh wait for it...Europe?
Jericho, you're awesome.
The issue of gay rights is not exclusive to "America's ethics and culture," it's a global issue. Gay marriage is legal in the UK, and Piers is qualified to state his very valid opinion.
I thought you were a moderate until I watched your interview with Kirk. Wow you really showed your colors last evening. You are not an American and should not be using your show as a platform for your Progressive movement here in our country. Take it back home! I will no longer be watching the program you host. Remember you are only a host, not God. I was left wondering what kind of children you are putting into our already chaotic world????
Piers you are not a fair person when it comes to the questions you ask republicans go back to the Uk and be a looser just like your soccer team
RCnDC who exactly are you directing your comment at? Gaye? I don't see any remarks about gays or anything suggesting that she is a Christian in her comment. Why are you making such judgments? If you choose not to believe in God, it is your business but you shouldn't be making rude remarks about "Christians". Yes there are some who are hypocrites. There is always a bad apple in every thing but that doesn't mean you should be so nasty. It is like you feel the need to spew hate. Really? That is just really sad.
I love the irony that your name is GAYE. Thanks for all the laughter. – you are truly precious!
GAYE, please take care of your health -being in a sealed closet with moth balls is dangerous!
Thank you, thank you, for your thoughts about Rush Limbaugh . I am glad someone such as yourself has the courage to call him on his terrible tirades. He is indeed an old dinosaur whose time has come to an end. He is mean, prejudice , and I hope he looses all his advertisers , along with the Republican party leaders. I think the young student should sue him for defamation .
Thank you CNN for Piers Morgan, Piers and Martin Bashir as journalist have become a great asset to this network. Importing rational thinking journalist with the ability to hold a mirror for us to see our everchanging and ability to show us truth and deception.
Kirk has become blinded by a book. To be free, it is important that there is no one religion dictating the way we behave. Kirk was all about pushing his own religion upon others. He thinks gay people choose to be gay and would try to change his sons mind if he came out to be gay. He would either encourage or force his own daughter to give birth to the baby of a rapist or due to incest and happily help her raise the child. This is so whacked!! Come on people.. put the bible down and have love, hope and faith in yourselves.
shane the Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth, BIBLE has everything you need to live a Godly life. marriage is one man one women, that's it.
You said "Kirk was all about pushing his own religion upon others". I believe Piers asked him his beliefs on gay marriage. He answered. Piers knew he was a Christian and knew what his beliefs are as far as gay marriage. Kirk was calm and polite, he wasn't pushing anything on anyone. Was he suppose to talk out of both sides of his mouth to make everyone happy? He was an invited guest, which they knew was a Christian, and knew what his responses would be. So some of you don't believe in Christianity, that's your belief and that's all well and good. So many hypocrites here. Bashing him because you don't believe what he believes but he can't state his beliefs because they rub you the wrong way and don't line up with your own? People who are hypocrites must feel superior.
I agree 100% Denise. Well said!
Exactly what satan is going to say.
Agree totally Denise.
Shane your sense of direction is really sad. Have you ever taken the time to read what is in the Bible? If not, then how can you make a judgement call on it? The Bible is an instructional manual for Christians to live their lives by. It does not represent any particular "religion". In fact, it is the word "religion" that cause so much controversy. If someone is living his or her life in accordance to the Bible, then that person is living a healthy, nonjudgmental, peaceful, loving, and happy life. They have God living through them therefore, they are living God's way not their own. What better way to live life than the way of God. God loves ALL of his Children. And we are ALL his Children. We are the ones with free will to accept him in our hearts. Therefore, it is your decision as to whether you choose to live God's way. God's way has nothing to do with "RELIGION". THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAN MADE UP. The only requirement to live God's way is to truly accept Jesus in your heart. Only through him can anyone get into Heaven. Once someone truly accepts Jesus in his or her heart, then that person will only desire to live life according to God's word. It is a natural process.
Denise...thank you for your response. I couldn't have said it better myself. Kudos to you.
Shane, Kirk wasn't pushing his religion on anyone. He was being asked a question. And are asking us all to put down our Bibles and love one another-as in how you are showing love towards Kirk?
How dare you judge me, a gay man who has been in a loving long-term relationship for over 16 years and tell others what is right and wrong. What is natural for you may not be natural for me and vice versa.
We have been surrounded by a loving CHRISTIAN family and friends and do not find that our other gay friends are destructive or have had a detriment to society, in fact we have been a blessing to society with all the good that we do. As good Christian you should know better than not to walk or judge another until you have walked in their shoes. Shame on this ass and shame that he has been even been given a pulpit to stand on. Get a clue bible thumpers.
Frankly speaking what is natural is natural. That’s not a personal choice but just what is naturally. The penis has specific biological functions: waste elimination and reproduction. If you choose to use it for something other than what is was designed for that’s your choice. But don’t lie to yourself about it.
A good point, Peter! Clearly you understand human anatomy. Are you a biologist, by chance? ;o) And Michael, Kirk's "ass" (as you put it) is not the one that should be ashamed...
Ask God for healing.
Right on, Michael. Aren't these haters precious? WE are not their problem – their hatred is internally based. It makes them feel good to bully others because it allows them to ignore what it is about themselves that they despise.
Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Luke 6:22
How dare you judge me, a gay man who has been in a loving long-term relationship for over 16 years and tell others what is right and wrong. What is natural for you may not be natural for me and vice versa.
We have been surrounded by a loving CHRISTIAN family and friends and do not find that our other gay friends are destructive or have had a detriment to society, in fact we have been a blessing to society with all the good that we do. As good Christian you should know better than not to walk or judge another until you have walked in their shoes. Shame on this ass and shame that he has been given a pulpit to stand on. Get a clue bible thumpers.
Who is judging you? You?
Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
You might want to Thumo your bible open to Genesis 19:4-29, I'll be praying for you.
Keith, maybe you need to turn your Bible to Lev. 15:19-24, Lev. 25:44, Exod. 35:2, Lev. 11:10, Lev. 21:1-24, Exodus 21:7-11; I could go on & on. Don't pick & choose laws of your Bible that you want enforced on this land. You either mind your own business, or enforce all of the ridiculous rules it states.
Who needs Piers Morgan? I thought Larry King was bad, but Piers is even worse.
I agree with Kirk 100%. Piers you have missed the biggest point, and that is. EVERYONE ON EARTH ARE SINNERS! As followers of Jesus Christ we know that we want to become more like him. He was perfect in every way. He was God incarnate, and knowing that he would not want us to follow sin more than himself.
Kirk represented the Light very well. May God continue blessing him and his family.
God heals.
Oh, John – take a long look in the mirror and when you do, try not to be repulsed by what you see! God loves you!
Hmmm... What Mr. Cameron and Mr. Limbaugh and other Republicans do not realize is this: Grey-haired older men should not be legislating what women can or cannot do with their bodies.
If Mr. Limbaugh or Kirk Cameron had to have an unwanted baby, more likely than not, there would be abortion on demand 24/7 every day in every major city. It is very easy for Mr. Cameron or Mr. Limbaugh to "talk the talk," and another matter entirely to "walk the walk."
Abortion and contraception is a matter between the woman and her God – no one else, especially the Republicans and conservative Christian Bible thumpers.
Those favoring no abortions should pay into a fund to help support unwanted babies. Unwanted, unloved little ones often grow up to be miscreants, criminals, and very familiar with the criminal justice system. We all end up paying for that.
I wonder how many of Limbaugh’s sponsors made contact with him and gave him an ultimatum, apologize or lose our support… ?? With $$MILLIONS at stake, Mr. Limbaugh probably saw the light at the end of the tunnel fairly quickly…
The truly scary apsect to this is Mr. Cameron and Mr. Limbaugh probably have a driver's license and are registered to vote.
Kirk Cameron is a coward. He wouldn't give a straight forward answer about how he would respond if one of his children said "Dad, I'm gay".
He said he would have a heart-to-heart with his child that not everything we feel is beneficial to act on. Very sound advice for all areas of life.
The last thing that I can say is "spot on, Kirk." I'm disgusted by the responses that I've read here. What is destructive and immoral is his type of thinking. I have many friends in the LGBT community (Christian & non) and being gay is not a choice and it was so truly brave of them to come out to their family. Unfortunately, there are parents out there that share Kirk's opinion that do have gay children. My heart goes out to those kids. I prey that they'll have friends and other familial support to remind them that they are loved and that the most important thing is to love who you are, as well.
Thank you for your support, Dee. We must feel compassion for those who have to elevate their self worth by bullying others. Fortunately, because they do so under the guise of speaking for God, they are sealing their eternal damnation. They are too cowardly to examine their lives because they know how deeply flawed they are, and so they seek self validation by attacking others. So repressed, so distorted, so afraid – what a waste of the life that GOD gave them!
Do you have a relationship with Christ? It was one of the best decision I made in my life. I only wish others could have the same joy as I have been blessed with.
I agree with you Jill, Not that God doesn't like the gay or lesbians He just doesn't like the Sin. Call it what it is. Remember what happened to Sodom & Gomorrah. God Bless you Kirk!!
God doesn't accept your sins either, Cynthia. Clean out your closet – you are also a sinner, and I forgive you of the sin of selectively hating God's children! And you and all like you ARE haters, and your philosophy of separating the sin from the sinner is ONLY a justification for promoting your hate agenda! Have fun in hell – take loads of sun screen!
Why does the media like to instigate irritation in viewers to get a reaction in people? Why doesn't the media focus more on bringing people together – not dividing them?
God commands us to love Him and love others – for a reason. One of the biggest reasons for this, I believe, is because the world would be Eden if we all did this. There would not be any more wars, hunger, abuse, anger/rage, gangs, hatred, violence, etc.
So what if we stopped living our lives by what the "world's" standards are (i.e. majority of votes, or what the majority of the people are doing/saying) and use "love" as the standard – asking ourselves is what I am about to do or say out of love?
I think Kirk did a great job and i am glad he didnt back down. He is not a bigot, he is a follower of Christ and the word. He was asked what his opinion was not what the world wanted him to say. All answers to all questions are in the Bible,all you have to do is read it.
Just cause 7 states approved it does not make it right you go kirk it is wrong in the eyes of God of course u are going to be persecuted for standing up for what is wrong according to Gods word
get the truth from the source of truth: The Bible. Israel: Apple of God's eye (Zachariah 2:8)
Can a Nation Be Born in a Day? Isaiah asks this unusual question (Isaiah
66:8) knowing that the answer from natural history is "N0" Throughout
history, wars of independence precede the obtaining of national
sovereignty; but in the supernatural history of Israel the answer is a
clear "Yes". As proven on May 14, 1948 when the modern state of Israel
appeared on the world stage, literally "in a day."Why do the nations rage,
and the kings of the earth set themselves together against the Lord.. The
Lord shall have them in derision" (Psalm 2). In spite of whatever man may
try to do to prevent it, the restoration of the Jewish people in, and to,
the Promised Land is guaranteed by Israel's God; so that "all the nations
of the earth "' shall yet be blessed. Listen to Amos: "And I will return
the captivity of my people Israel, and they shall build the waste cities
and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards and drink the wine
thereof; they also shall make gardens and eat the fruit of them. AND I
WILL PLANT THEM UPON THEIR LAND AND THEY SHALL NO MORE BE PULLED UP OUT OF
THEIR LAND .They will soon welcome Jesus Christ, God Himself in human
Flesh and Jewish. The Jewish people are: Apple of God's eye. Jerusalem:
The navel of the earth! On Wednesday (11-9-2011) there was a National
emergency alert test from Washington D.C.? News is Iran will have nuclear
weapons in the coming months. Their leader vows to wipe Israel off the
map, Israel vows to never let that happen. Show down? The key: what will
Russia do? Go against Israel as described in Ezekiel 38-39 or launch a
surprise nuclear attack on the The United States? (Revelation 18?, North
America is about to be attacked with nuclear missiles, you can read the
description for yourself) My opinion and only that: the second (against
America, than Ezekiel 38-39) Thru the Jews we have the knowledge of God,
the Word of God and the Savior of the world (John 3:16) Jesus Christ, God
in human Flesh. Jesus told the religious leaders they were good at
predicting the weather but couldn't recognize the signs of the times, all
thru scriptures people failed to recognize the signs of the times. God has
gathered the elect back to their land in preparation of His return in
Great Glory to set up and rule the earth. The Jews are the apple of God's
eye (Zechariah 2:8) As in the days of Noah so shall the coming of the Son
of man be. Come into the ark of safety which is in Jesus Christ before the
flood of destruction comes upon the earth (John 3:16) for all who trust in
Him. I think any time now things will start to happen, the storm clouds
have been building in the Middle East, so we can surely predict rain!
America will be so caught off guard. Although they may not know it, the
nations jointly, by fighting against Israel, the elect, have set
themselves on a collision course with the God of history (Joel 3:2).
Sincerely,
Mark
I believe in the rights of all people. Loving God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as you love yourself are the two highest commands of God. Especially the brother or sister that is different then myself. It is easy to love someone that loves me or believes as I do. The true test is my treatment and love towards others when its hard and they are different. Christ came and sat with the sinners but he did not compromise on truth. As Christians we bend our lives to fit the word we do not bend the word to fit our lives. Let people make their choice. As for me in my house we believe in the lord.
Kirk is right.
"Kirk is right."
That's why there are so many churches, priest, pastors, nuns and rabbi's that TOTALLY disagree with you and Kirk. The only reason you think he is right is so you can feel justify in your bigotry and prejudice.
I believe that GOD is our creator and that he knows what is best for us all. You would not fix a toyota car using a ford machanic book,would you? So you see we have a loving GOD who loves us and knows us better than anyone else in the whole world. GOD is a father who is 24/7 for us,he never sleeps,waiting for us to call upon him thru JESUS his son,our SAVIOUR. He gives a book of life,THE BIBLE,which is full of love letters of love from him,consequences of our wrong doing,and how he made us to have a loving relationship with him. WOW he loves us so much that he sacrificed his only son so we could have a close relationship with him. Everybody in the whole wide World can have a relationship with him.The PEACE he gives us can not be found anywhere else.Just think it is truly FREE.
Mr. Morgan. It an interview the comedian, Mr. Black, you said that Kirk Cameron HATED gays. If I recall correctly, not once did he say this! As Christians, we love sinners but hate the SIN. We are not claiming we are perfect, because we sin as well, but we recognize God's forgiveness from that sin and accept him as our Saviour through His blood shed on the cross ... We want to share that with others in a loving way, yet standing firm against sin, because we are commanded to be SEPARATE from the world.
So what – what does it hurt you? He's not going into the school and shoving HIS theology down YOUR kids' throat like the GAYstapo is... so what if you think his views are erroneous... they are HIS VIEWS and as an American he has a RIGHT to have them and express them if he wants to.
Apparently this is yet another one of our fundamental rights that Morgan doesn't get... It's called the first amendment, you creep... That is why we had to whoop your country's A S S not once in the Revolutionary war but again in 1812. Go back to England where no one utters anything you don't like... go talk to Choudry, you cretin!
Bravo, kirk you handled yourself with humility and humbleness. You thought before you spoke and did not allow yourself to be trapped by liberal baiting and prodding. God bless you as you continue to uphold the faith
As Barack Obama once said: any argument should be free from religious reasoning. The argument should be valid for all religions and even those who have no religion. Cameron talks about Adam and eve, what about non Christians who can be married outside of a church! Marriage is a legal concept not a religious concept anymore, that theory is as outdated as woman not being allowed to work! Im not gay so this doesn't really effect me but surely peoples minds have grown in the last several million years to realise that very possibly religious text should not be taken for its literal words, if you believe in Adam and eve and agree with the concept do you also agree with incest? In religion its always "prove my imaginary friend doesn't exist" in normal life the person speaking to something that isn't thier is the one to prove that it is!
So i guess the argument should be free from history? Adam & Eve truly existed.
Of course they did not exist. If you want to go back to the beliefs of 2000 years ago you're denying everything that we have learned since. Taking a stand that Adam and Eve really did exist is the same as arguing that the earth is the center of they universe. If you refuse to accept what man has learned since the times of Jesus, then your complete belief system is flawed and your claims that the Bible is the word of God is just as wrong.
Grantcv1 – your using sa tan's argument. "Me, me, me, I know better than God".
Tony, I'm not gay but it does effect me. It effects everyone. When a group of people are denied their liberty, their civil rights, then we all suffer.
Well said Claire
The reason I made the point that I'm not gay and therefore doesn't directly effect me is to show that my personal motives remain unbiased, if ur agreeing with me why even bring the point up? Was you looking for a reason to moan about something I said?
Piers,
You suck so bad. With Penn you did not even get near the issue that rush had a problem with the tax payer having to pay for this girls birth control. Who cares what she does as long as she pays her way. You are a big disapointment
I thought you would cover all sides
I am at a loss that there is no place to place a comment on this evening's show. But I have to say that while Rush's comments are embarassingly awful you and your guest missed the point entirely. I am shocked, because your usual intelligence was not present. The fact remains that an individual can do what ever they choose to do and it is no ones business (esp Gvt). On the other end tax payers should not have to pay for abortions, STDs etc etc. because it is NOT our business. The exception is education, we must educate out people so they know their choices and the consequences of their choices, but at the end of the day it is their choice and tax payers should not have to pay for someone elses' recreation or procreation.
If the government does not take an active role in control birth and std's the population will grow out of control and std's will drive untreated infection throughout the country. Both will have huge economic implications. Have you considered that before make your comment. Why do we want the government to do things that benefit us, but we fail to see how we benefit unless it is spelled out for us. If the government dopes not control birth and population growth, they may as well remove your job protections. What would you think then?????
Travis, may I ask you to watch http://www.180movie.com and please leave a comment on the website? Thank you!
How about abstinence? If everybody keeps their pants up and stays faithful that would help lower STD's and unplanned pregnancies.
Pamela, using your logic, what is next? Should taxpayers have to foot the bill for obesity related diseases such as Type 2 Diabetes, heart disease, etc.? Those people choose to over eat, so they should pay for their own care, not the taxpayer, right? No coverage for smoking related diseases either? Birth control is part of managing a woman's overall health and usually needs to be managed for her entire reproductive life. Vasectomies are covered by most plans. So is erectile dysfunction. Seriously, half of America needs to open their eyes and EVOLVE.
Kirk, I grew up watching you on growing pains. When I attended Christian school, I watched you on Left Behind. I grew up Christian. I became gay. It's not a choice. You can't tell a child that!
GOD gave man free will (CHOICE)to choose, being gay is your choice, and you'll stand in Judgement and give an account. Its Abomination in the eyes of GOD....It's not being Judemental, IT;S THE TRUTH.......YOU HAVE TIME NOW TO REPENT AND ASK THE LORD TO FORGIVE YOU.....
What a wacko...
Could you choose to be gay? If the answer is yes, then I would suggest that you are and you're choosing to live a life that is a lie due to the conditioning that resulted from the child abuse you suffered as a kid when the fear of God was drilled into your head.
when did you choose to be straight?
Your comment is awesome "GOD gave man free will" and no one else! Great point!
Show me proof that god exists, you crazy person. People are born gay, it's not a choice!!
Some of you think that being gay is not a choice, but expressing those feelings is...and the more that you express them, the deeper you become entrenched in such behaviors. Yes, some people struggle more with those types of feelings than others, just like I've never really been tempted to knock off a bank or beat a woman. Different people have different behaviors that they choose to act on or not, as they wish...
How about raping boys, abusing children. Who's choice was that. Mmmm, The Pope, The Vatican, and the huge pedophile ring which has molested and abused thousands on children on almost every continent, but is the" moral savior" of us all. I think not!
James,
You didn't BECOME gay but rather you are choosing to follow that lifestyle, i'm wondering if child molesters should also use that and say I became a child molester.... NO! They chose to do so. At least admit that YOU LIKE men and CHOOSE to follow your lustful desires. Religion aside, man up and admit you chose your lustful desires.
Exactly....likes guys....not chooses to like guys.
Therefore it's not a choice.
You know. I may be in the wrong.
But I can't help but cringe... You're just another individual who classifys gays and child molestors in the same group.
I may like boys
. However, I like them in their 40's... sir!
"You didn't BECOME gay but rather you are choosing to follow that lifestyle, i'm wondering if child molesters should also use that and say I became a child molester...."
Being gay is not a choice. I hate to burst any bubbles, but science, in fact, is actually not in dispute on this matter.
All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.
Reparative therapy, also called conversion therapy or reorientation therapy, "counsels" LGBT persons to pray fervently and study Bible verses, often utilizing 12-step techniques that are used to treat sexual addictions or trauma. Such Christian councilors are pathologizing homosexuality, which is not a pathology but is a sexual orientation. Psychologically, that's very dangerous territory to tread on. All of the above-mentioned medical professional organizations, in addition to the American and European Counseling Associations, stand strongly opposed to any form of reparative therapy.
In my home country, Norway, reparative therapy is officially considered to be ethical malpractice. But there are many countries that do not regulate the practice, and many others that remain largely silent and even passively supportive of it (such as the Philippines). Groups that operate such "therapy" in the Philippines are the Evangelical Bagong Pag-asa, and the Catholic Courage Philippines.
The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.
On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"
Take this interesting paragraph I found on an Evangelical website: "The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" – meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are 'born that way.'"
But that's not at all what it means, and it seems Evangelicals are plucking out stand-alone phrases from scientific reports and removing them from their context. This is known in academia as the fallacy of suppressed evidence. Interestingly, this is also what they have a habit of doing with verses from the Bible.
This idea of sexuality being a choice is such a bizarre notion to me as a man of science. Many of these reparative "therapists" are basing this concept on a random Bible verse or two. When you hold those up against the mountain of scientific research that has been conducted, peer-reviewed, and then peer-reviewed again, it absolutely holds no water. A person's sexuality – whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual – is a very deep biological piece of who that person is as an individual.
The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.
Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).
Furthermore, there are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.
Having said that, in the realm of legal rights, partnership rights, and anti-discrimination protections, the gay gene vs. choice debate is actually quite irrelevant. Whether or not something is a choice is not a suitable criterion for whether someone should have equal rights and protections. Religion is indisputably a choice, but that fact is a not a valid argument for discriminating against a particular religion.
This is not an issue in dispute. According to modern science: baby, you were born this way.
james ,you may have grown up around religion,but Jesus said ye must be born again. religion wont help you, its like taking a shower with a rain coat on. (we) and that means all of us, are born in sin,check out 1cor.6;9-10 will be praying for you
Thank you for your prayers.
Mr. Cameron, no wonder you don't get an offer for any good movie because you are so ignorant and shallow. Where is the answer if you are going to accept if your son is Gay? God and your belief has noting to do with people are born Gay.
All he Kirk needs is a good man to straighten him out. I hope he faces up to it soon. He's not getting any younger and he'll be a lot happier when he finally stops lying to himself.
Mr. Cameron, I disagree, I think ignorant and narrow minded beliefs are detrimental to society.
It doesn't matter what any of us think. We did not make the universe or the rule book.
what "rule book"?
Luke with all due respect it is your narrow minded opinion that Christian beliefs are ignorant. My beliefs have well over 3000 years of being put to test after test. Simply because we enter the 20th Century does not mean we know more...it just means we know a lot less than we think. What is destructive is calling some one ignorant simply because you disagree with them.
seriously. thank you
Anyone that judges another based on their own beliefs and tries to change them is furthest from god not closest.
Rob... with your own comment you are judging people because you are telling them they are the far from God based on what you believe to be true. ALL of us make judgments.
What do you base your judgment on?
See Jesus didn't just say "judge not..." and that's it close the book there you have it, Jesus said not to judge. No that is not what Jesus taught. Jesus taught do not judge in a way that will bring judgment back on yourself. See if I call you liar and then go walk around with a sign that says I am perfect I never lie...then I am deluding myself. That is why Jesus illustrated his point in continuation and in context to what he said. He said how can you with a beam in your eye go and try and tell your brother he has a speck in his? He said to first look in the mirror, remove the beam and then go and HELP your brother if you can with his speck.
People who judge like that will be judged because that kind of ignorant judgement is hypocritical.
I disagree with you. This society will destruct because of lack of self control and ignorance.
If there was a like button I would click it, Connie.
Cameron: 14th century automaton, citing "God" to justify his weak-kneed desire to impose his wishes on others. Sad. Ironic. Tragic.
The same charge can be made toward those who want to change what Judeo- Christian teachers, scholars, pastors, apostles, prophets and messengers have taught for thousands of years. It isn't just some simple minded blind faith in "God", a God who has engaged man and woman intellectually and relationally for at least 5000 years. At least there is a standard to Christian beliefs... with the relative moral stances of society today any thing goes. Why is it tragic if Cameron expresses his beliefs because he was asked, not because he imposed his view, about what he believes? What is tragic is how the so called 'tolerant' have no idea what that term really means.
Sometimes its difficult to find an open minded liberal individual!
joseph right on. i will follow the bible always, it has all the answers, read it and you will find answers to questions.
Hey Joseph...Well my belief is in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you know us Pastafarians. Please tell how your God who has engaged man and woman intellectually and relationally for at least 5000 years. Where is the proof? Did he sit send you a letter, burn a bush, did a voice bellow from the clouds? Please enlighten me as to how God related to you? Where is your proof? I have as much proof that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created heaven and earth by the gentle touch of one of his noodly appendages..
Glenn, you funny man; the proofs in the pudding, not the spaghetti. Want to find out if Christianity is real? Genuinely ask someone who follows the One it's named after.
Glenn when you give me a valid and serious comparison that matches up to the kind of scrutiny, eyewitness accounts from various authors, stretching over 3000 years at least...then I will take your simple minded retort seriously. If you believe that a person and his teachings can't be taken seriously based on Scripture then neither does Plato or Socrates have the historical basis for ever existing.
"eyewitness accounts from various authors"......you seriously MUST be joking?!?! I could give you thousands of eyewitness *accounts* from Timothy Leary et al.
Cheers.
Tim
And another crazy thing about those Greeks, they tended to transcribe most of both Plato's and Aristotle's words contemporaneously. There isn't a thing written about Jesus within a generation or two of his *existence". And your present "Bible" didn't exist until 4th Century AD, and even then would be difficult for a 21st Century "Christian" to recognize.
Cheers.
Tim
Kirk Cameron is an ass. His comments were ignorant, close-minded and prejudice. How could sonone living in this time be so foolish to say such terrible things about gay people. Being gay is no more "unnatural" than being straight. When people come out as gay, they are being natural, they are being themselves and God loves them just as they are. God is love and Kirk Cameron is not seeing gay people with any love like God does, so he is not a good man. Kirk is coming from the perspective of hate and it's people like him that make this world a terrible place.
I could not agree more. Makes him and the similar thinking people look ignorant. I bet if he could look you in the eyes and tell you the truth, he'd admit that he agrees with Rush's comments today. We look alarmingly at the Middle East in fear of their extremists and looking back here at home I see those I fear her as extremists too. Notice how they all hold a great book in the air and threatent others with it like a weapon. What happened???
GOD is our creator. He is the only one in the whole world who knows us individually. He inspired the BIBLE, to teach us what is right and wrong and how much he loves us. Who else knows you so completely. Who else loves you as much as he does and is there for you 24/7. Who else can find you anywhere you are. I know I had car trouble on a slightly used road and was told by the driver that found me never used this road.
So, Kirk was an atheist and now he's 'born again'? Why bother us with this kind of flip flopping guest? Next, he'll be a republican presidential candidate.
Flip-flopping is going back and forth, Kirk turned from atheism and has stayed a Christian for many, many years. No flip-flopping there, and if you knew anything about him you'd know he'd never run for President. He has too much integrity for that.
Piers,
I just watched your interview with kirk Cameron, what can I say; thank you for a secure and stead fast point of view about the hatred that exist in this country against Gay and Lesbian people. I have watched your show from the beggining, that was one of the best!!
what hatred? Kirk showed no hatred. The only hatred I'm seeing is from everybody that is against christian beleifs.
Hey Piers . . who cares about your opinion on Limbaugh . . . he always overstates his opinion . . . but that's what he does . . you pretend to be news but bloviate just as bad as Rush.
BTW . . . maybe you should report what this debate really is about . . . . it's not as you would have us think . . the Reps want to control women . . . . it's about who should pay for their actions . . . . they should not churches, or businesses.
Thank you Kirk,, for telling it like it is Adam and Eve
What Cameron said tonight was brave . . . he is daring to state the most politically incorrect idea in existence today. Somehow our popular culture has managed to instigate approval for all things gay as the new moral weathervane. Doesn't matter if you dedicate your life to feeding the poor . . if you say anything negative about gays your humanitarian status is revoked.
How did it come to be that Christians are the most judgmental of people?
As an open-minded Christian who believes in full acceptance of the LGBT community, I find you to be just as judgmental as the Christians you speak of. Not everyone who classifies themselves as a Christian and follower of God feels the same way as Mr. Cameron. Therefore you shouldn't be quick to make such statements that lump us all together. As always, there are bad apples in all groups (including the believers and non-believers) and sadly those are the ones that spew hate and bring everyone else down.
Piers, It saddens me that you proudly state that Catholicism is your religion. How can you say: "I would sit my son down and say... "Oh, you're Gay, I hope you are happy." You must get back to the bible and the Catholic catechism on these issues. We do not kill babies in our faith. We find someone to adopt them. Stop being a cafeteria Catholic. I like this, and I don't like that. LOL! Piers, 4000 babies are aborted per day in this country, and about 40,000 a year. The only thing that will get us out of this moral dilemma is steadfast Christians who follow Jesus Christ. If you do not agree with the teachings of the Catholic church on abortion, etc., convert to another religion that agrees with you. I love our beloved Catholic faith.
Thanks for the opportunity to enlighten you about your faith. My prayers are with you. Also, maybe you can join the church of Donald Trump, it seems you idol him? Josephine
4,000 abortions per day and 40,000 abortions per year???? that makes 10 days in a year.. hmmmm...
Your post is full of cliche rhetoric that expresses you have no real opinion other than what has been taught to you.
Primarily, by the way you are wrong in your math, 4,000 babies a day every year does not, in fact, equal 40,000. It is 146,0000. 36.5 TIMES BIGGER PRECICELY!!!
WAY THE EFF OFF!! Please get facts
You rock Piers! Now if we could just get American men to stand with women's rights.....
Piers
You looked combative in your interview with Kirk Cameron, he was stating his beliefs. Kirk
remained level headed and calm, he told you that you have your believes he has his, I happen to agree 100 percent
with Kirk.
Great Job Kirk, keep on spreading the Truth
God Bless
I agree wholeheartedly. Kirk just stated what he believes. Piers was interupting him and making gestures that Kirk is WRONG. That may be what he believes, but we have to remember that we live in America, where we are still FREE to say what we believe. I won't ever listen to anyone who merely namecalls and belittles a person because of what they believe. Someone who speaks with firm convictions and lots of facts to back up their views always have my attention and respect.
As a christian, we are not to be conformed to worldly standards, we are to be an influence to the world.Kirk i'm proud of you stand your ground, we all have to answer for our choices.. GOD BLESS ALL.
Piers,
You seemed very agitated with Mr Cameron, its unfortunate because it seems that you are not as opened minded as you might profess to be. There did not seem to be a dialogue going on but rather a list of social issues that you wanted to corner him on because you don't agree with his view of the world. So there seemed to be little objectivity in your approach to the interview. If you watch the tape I don't think you smiled much suggesting that you were troubled. You seem to give legitimacy to the notion, "its hard to find a liberal liberal". It seems that interviews with conservative or religious thinkers end up being attempts to portray them as haters rather than just holding a different view, which used to be acceptable in America. When you lose touch with a transcendant set of principles that guide your life then you eventually argue for your own preference over your neighbor which eventually leads to "might makes right"...... its a terrible cycle in human history.
Shame on you for letting this guy spew his goofy views..Hello..welcome to the real world !!!!
Way to go, Piers! You really put Kirk Cameron in his place and gave him LOTS of reasons to question himself!
Great job Kirk Cameron. People want the right to state their opinions and beliefs but have no tolerance and are rude to those who disagree with them . The people who consider themselves tolerant are grossly intolerant when it comes to Christian faith. Almost looks like bullying. Thanks to Kirk for standing for what he believes in a grace filled way.
Yet another Christian claiming to be the victim.
Exactly, another hypocrite. A true looney who as they stand in harsh judgement of others, claims to be a true Christian. Lol. Like a prisoner trying to condem another prisoner for stealing. LOL.
Right!! So you believe when the oppressed pushes back and defends themselves against the oppressor, the ones being oppressed are the intolerant ones. They should just sit there and be judged and controlled as to not appear to be an activist or a defender of human rights for all. So, under your not so logic, logic – black people should not have stood up for themselves and demanded equality, they were being intolerant? Wives who are beaten by their partners should take it so they too don't come across as intolerant? You are a complete uneducated moron and the worse type of so called Christian out there. You are a disgrace to the faith and a poor excuse for a human being. You are what the bible warns all of us about with your condemnation and hate for any other who isn't just like you. God makes it clear in the Bible what's in store for those who are like you and those who try and take on His role.
Piers, you said 7 states have legalized gay marriage. Newsflash! Just because states legalize something doesn't make it right and good or even natural. Unless you have no moral standards. Then anything goes and nothing is ever wrong – just maybe poor choices. Sad and pathetic.
and by this reasoning, separate but equal is OK, women shouldn't be able to vote, etc.? It's 2012
Piers. Bravo for standing up to Rush. I am proud of you. He is nothing but a mouthpiece for the corrupt politicians.
We cannot change birth defects so it's to everyone's best interest to accept people for what they are; gay or lesbians.
Piers,
Why is it, that as soon as a professing Christian comes on your show you shrink what they have to say to the answer to two questions only; "What do you think of gay marriage?" and "How do you feel about abortion?"
Surely Christians, along with all of your others guests, have more to say than their sound bite sized answers to these two questions.
You are so exceptional at interviewing people, and have such interesting personalities on your show, and yet rather than view Christians as whole people with many topics and feelings to discuss you, like so many other journalists, railroad the conversation towards these two topics, diminishing the integrity and scope of the interview.
Thank you for your good work, you are an excellent journalist and very enjoyable to watch, I would simply ask that you make every effort to accord Christians the freedom to express their views as whole people rather than religious stereotypes.
Kind regards,
Shonna D.
Vancouver, BC
Snonna,
Nicely placed,,, I agree!
I think Pierce is a straight shooter who respects honesty. He asks these questions because they are the "hot topics" of the day. I think if Kirk would have answered directly, Pierce would have respected him for it. Kirk said gay marriage was unnatural, along with other words, but he did not call it a sin. Why are so many Christians afraid of saying something is a Sin? You know he believes it is, why not say so?
Yes, this is true.
Whew....what a blood bath, and it makes me sad.
I began watching and ENJOYING Piers' show because I "thought" that he was not overly emotional, didn't inflame situations, tried to show some "objectivity," and gave some balance to his interviews and thought that is had some "educational" benefit. Sadly, this evening's show FELL COMPLETELY short of that.
If one would read what Piers was thinking, based on his questions and his behavior, I would imagine he was saying to Kirk Cameron, "you are a moron. Anyone who could think or hold these views is barbaric and an idiot. I can't believe I'm having to interview this person, I dismiss him completely." The end, as it was cutting to commercial, was almost PAINFUL to watch, the utter disgust and disregard.
ps. please don't use the fact that you are not a "citizen" of this country as a "get out of jail free card" to position yourself as someone who does not have an agenda
Objective – Whilst Piers is the show host, he also has his own opinion, and I think it would be a totally boring show if he didn't inject some of his own agenda into the show. . . He was DEFINITELY saying that Kirk Cameron is a moron. And Piers doesn't use his non citizenship as a "get out of jail card" . . . He uses his intelligence to show these bigots and religious fundamentalists for the crazies that they are . . . . And Piers is a Catholic, yet he too can see through all the BS. . . Makes me glad that I gave up my imaginary friend at a young age . . .
This Kirk Cameron is an idiot . . . You think he is being dumb here, look up his views on Evolution and his famous "crocoduck".
Sounds objective and open minded to me Dave!
Sounds like a horrifying video and absolute tortue to listen to that man.
He said he has six kids? He should and may be charged with six accounts of child abuse. In my opinion. In essence he is conforming his young (programmable minded) kids. Democrats need to populate faster!
Democrats are populating fast enough! The taxes we pay are proof of that!
Child abuse because he has six kids and is a christian...let me guess your pro-choice aren't you. Just kill 'em all cuz we don't want to be bothered with people who have opinions other than our own. Shame on you, you shallow man.
You are not calling Kirk an idiot , you are calling God an idiot, Kirk is just practicing the word of God almighty the one who created you. Read 1: 26-27 and corinthians 6; verse 9-10. God is the creator of the whole world. John 3; 16-17. FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD,THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
17; FOR GOD SENT NOT HIS SON INTO THE WORLD TO CONDEMN THE WORLD , BUT THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED. KEEP READING VERSE 18 -21. Remember that Jesus loves you ,he can give you peace and joy.
It's more than Kirk's opinion; it's foundationally Christian. Please read Romans 1:24-32. It can't be any clearer. Btw, some of us also think adultery is not a sin; we just stumble into it, don't we?
As a Christian man it saddens me that people dont really understad that being gay is not a choice. I wish all of you could peacefully realize that this is about 6 kids whose father is teaching them that being gay is destructive. Just to generalize.. when has Ellen or Anderson Cooper, Elton John, Jodie Foster done anything destructive in our society. Frankly the until death do us part bit is getting a bit old. Kim Kardashinan or whatever her name is gets married for 15 days and thats better?
Are you really a Christian man?! Yet you believe that being gay is not a sin? What doctrine or authority guides your Christianity? If the Bible does, then there's some incongruence here...
Right. So you don't ever eat shellfish or wear polyester?
Let it rest big man, I can see the anger in your face as you write. We are all equal. Who are we to judge in this day in age? Live and let live, be respectful, and treat other with respect.
Jesus and love guides it not hate and some old testament
How is it possible for you to believe in Christianity, but deny the actual words written that describe the basic beliefs? Or are you one of these "new agers" that believe we should be able to take out the stuff we dont like and totally reinvent the theology? Or do you throw away the Bible completely and somehow just invent your own God, which somehow is called Christianity?
Peter, it saddens me that you are not Jewish. No wait, Muslim......No wait, Hindu. Actually Peter what saddens me is that you think you, or your religious beliefs are paramount to those of anyone else, no matter what they believe. But, of course being Christian is the ultimate and only belief system and you were born that way, it wasn't a choice.
It's amazing how the most "religious" people are the least understanding to most things in life. If it's not in their belief system, then it basically doesn't exist. Wow. What is must be like in you narrow world. Spend your life criticizing others, rather than spreading love and acceptance. I'll pray for you.
Well said.
Excactly Michelle Thank you
That actually a very narrow minded view of one of the most diverse groups of people on the planet. It is also one of the worst kinds of discrimination... painting a whole group based on a caricature that has very little to do with reality. How something seems is not necessarily true. I will pray for you.
Considering I'm NOT discriminating, but loving, I accept your prayer because I want nothing more than peace and love.
Love and prayers. Love and Light. More positivity, less hate, the better.
Michelle maybe you didn't realize that you were painting Christians with a one shade fits all color based on what you feel...but it is the equivalent of saying something like "doesn't it seem like all Mexicans are gardeners?" I am Mexican American by the way and the only gardening I do is my own yard that I own.
Its's amazing how these people use religion to voice their overt prejudice . This is true from Iran to Idaho. This prejudice results in the death of thousands of innocent people. If there is a God may they face his/her wrath.
Kirk is not spreading hate but just speaking truth. God made Adam & then He made Eve, then He told them to go & multiply. You cant reproduce w/ 2 men! Kirk is only saying what God's word says!!!
So remind me why people who can not have children are allowed to marry? Doesn't it also say in the bible about remarring after your spouse dies? So many things in that book that are never addressed are slavery, your wife aas property Yeah those things fly in this day and age.
Wow, it is so irritating how many people speak of the Bible without having any real knowledge of it. The Bible is a history book and you have to know the history of that time to understand it. Slavery was a culture thing in those times, it not a culture thing now. The Bible teaches how to love one another and how to live in peace in a society of people. This society could use some lessons too!! And how husbands treat their wives is addressed in the Bible and they are told to LOVE their wives as Christ LOVES the church, which means they are to be willing to lay down thier lives for them. Society's view seems to be "Bang her till something better comes along." Thanks but no thanks, the Bible is the way for me.
LOL, Mr. Washington. You actually believe that story is real and not just a fable? The year is 2012, not 1012. If we're going to start taking the Bible literally, then we must return to slavery, we must return to stoning woman that get pregnant out of wedlock, we must return to the primitive state mankind was at when the laws of the land were cast as "The word of God" in order to install a fear and ultimately compliance from the simple people of the time. The Bible is merely a moral code dreamed up by ancient people who used a "God" in order to justify the unexplainable.
You are so wrong, and it is so sad. Why don't you stop regurgitating what you hear and search it out for yourself. So many people are willing to stand against something they know nothing about, why don't find out what the Bible really says and then talk about it.
You better hope more than anything that you're right about the Bible being a fable because if we are right you are going to have one rude awakening soon
Ok, I have to ask, who cares what this person thinks?
Somhow these people that think like Kirk Cameron only live in the old testament and NEVER focus on what Jesus taught. He never taught about marriage or being gay.
Kirk Cameron. Fred Phelps. Talk amongst yourselves.
Jericho... are you serious? So I guess if you can't see the difference between Kirk Cameron and Phelps then there is no reasoning with that kind of close-minded bias.
Joseph. I am serious. What, in my comment makes you think I can't see the difference between the two?
Bravo Kirk Cameron. You have grown up to be a wonderful young man. Thank you for standing up for right and good. You are a great example for your children.
Hey Cameron – The only thing detrimental so society is our media's obsession with celebrity. What's truly amazing is that they waste their time and ink on a twinky teen idol like you who couldn't act his way out of a parking ticket, you hate-mongering Jesus FREAK!!!
The only hate I am seeing is coming from you
Piers,
Thank you for defending people like me who were simply born as what others consider to be "not normal." Despite Kirk's ignorant comments, I felt relieved knowing that you stuck up for gays. I didn't wake up one day and decide to make life harder for myself by being gay, this is not a choice, and my existence is not detrimental or destructive to society. Thank you for fighting for us and the rest of the world.
Heroin addicts would say it’s not a choice too but just because you acted on an impulse a long time ago and developed a comfort with that choice does not change the fact that you made a choice.
We need more people like Kirk to come out and speak the truth. The reason this country is in the shape it is in is becasue we have deviated so much from GOD. Thank you Kirk for coming out on national t.v. and telling America what the truth is.
Not true, bigots like you bring this country down.
The truth, Sofia, is that you are ignorant. There is more proof that hom.ose.xuality is innate than there is proof for any god. In fact, there isn't a single shred of credible evidence that even hints at the existence of a god. Perhaps you should make an effort to learn some facts before you blithely praise ignorance and bigotry.
You are wrong, there is proof all around us that there is a God, and I know Him personally. As a matter of fact there is a book out about Him that has been around for thousands of years. Jesus was a real man who lived, breathed, died and rose again and this was witnessed by many men and women who testify about it in this book called the Bible. There is more evidence in this world of there being a God than there not being a God. If you don't beleive me, go searching, and you will find it. Stop listening to what people tell you and find out for yourself. I did and I was not disappointed.
Wellllll........it's all going to come out in the wash, now isn't it? I, too, believe in Jesus......after I asked "the universe" a long time ago, "Will the REAL God please stand up?" Gay marriage, abortion, and other issues will boil down to us as individuals when we meet our maker. Each human being is responsible for his/her own decisions. And being a Christian, by the way, is not based on anything except saying YES to GOD'S offer for redemption, and accepting God's invitation for a close relationship with him, through the Holy Spirit. My prayer is that whoever reads this comment will think about God and ask the same thing: "Will the REAL God please stand up"? God bless you!
Mr. Cameron believes like so many others that the primary founders were fans of Christianity. They can't make the correlation with King, James, and most have never heard the word "deist". Yes my children. The founders were horrified by the damage that organized religion historically wreaked upon the world, and believed in a "Creator" that set the wheels in motion and let us mortals figure it out. Their "Creator" had nothing to do with the affairs of man. They believed in a creator, but no confounding dishonest organized religion that by design is fundamentally corrupt. Thank you for listening.
Kirk Cameron has issues. He couldn't give examples of "immorality" at shopping malls, etc when asked ... and frankly, Piers Should have continued for one example. Cameron dodged SO many questions. It was gross. Cameron is one weird dude.
Piers Morgan invites people like Kirk Cameron on to his talk show and then berates him rudely with his own very "politically correct" views. Mr. Morgan is quite possibly the WORST talk show host (along with those old feminazis of "The View".
It doesn't matter what my own personal view is but I believe that Kirk Cameron has EVERY RIGHT to air his opinion if he is a guest. BRING BACK LARRY KING!
"those old feminazis" Wow, no bitterness, or closed mindedness in your work huh Beth?
My apologies Beth I meant to type world.
So nice that Christians who base their beliefs on hatred of others have at last found a hero in this has-been child star. It's quite possible that Kirk won't be found to have a boy lover hidden somewhere in a motel room, like so many other evangelists. My favorite part of the interview was when Piers asked him about taking freedom from others, and he basically gulped, grateful that the interview was over.
Where do you get that christians base their beliefs on the hatred of others? Because they don't agree with what you do? What do you base your belief of christians on? What you read in the media? There are people who do sick things and call themselves christians, and that is heartbreaking for those of us that are truly trying to follow Christ. But the truth is people sometimes call themselves christians without having a clue what christianity is. Just read some of the comments in this blog, including yours. People talk a lot about what they don't truly know or understand.
After tonight's episode of Piers Morgan, I will never again watch the show. What a bigot Piers is! This is the problem with America! All of the sudden, freedom to practice religion has become only a govt mandate (though now marginally), while the "liberal" left has completely lost reverence...though this is only targeted at Christianity. Tonight, CNN proved that with the interview with Cameron. (side note, has anyone ever seen a Christian on CNN not be treated like a second-class citizen? The hosts can't even give them the benefit of the doubt and allow them their opinion!) Piers is a hypocrite!!!!! He pretty much preached "fairness" to Cameron, while he told Cameron he didn't have the right to think the way he did....that he was just stupid. Sounds fair.
BTW, Cameron was right. We have our own standards, and they either come from our head (what we think) or God (if you believe that). Regardless, calling Christians bigots missing the whole point and is actual the opposite of what a liberal supposedly stands for. We see Piers only believes in his opinion, and would rather insult those that dont fit into his mold. Again, tonight was the last night. And I will be telling all of my Christians friends as well.
good riddance. the christian call to tolerate your intolerance is laughable, as is your barely literate scrawlings.
The amount of ignorance on both sides (in the comments section) is astounding. I feel as if most people commenting are uneducated in Christianity as well as forgetting the fundamental teaching of the Bible – love. There are some thoughtful and insightful posts, which is relieving to see since it proves that some people actually use their brains to think and take the time to understand both sides of what was said.
Oh, golly, here we go again. Another oh-too-pretty-for-40 Bible thumper – love those delicate gestures, btw, Kirk – who making a brouhaha over gays.
Hate to tell ya buddy, most straight guys really don't care about what other men do with each other in bed.
And how long before he gets caught in an airport restroom stall?
Your not going to find dirt on Kirk, he's the real deal.
Good old Kirk Cameron. The guy is so far removed from reality it would be laughable, except that the kind of ignorance he advocates is unhealthy and destructive. I almost feel sorry for him, but anyone who makes such a persistent effort to create bigotry really doesn't deserve pity.
Well I guess someone has to be a spokesperson for all the brainwashed lemmings** of the world. (** Bible thumpers are one species of brainwashed lemmings.)
I find it interesting that you say Christians are brainwashed because they seem to be the only ones thinking for themselves these days. I call it courage when people go against the grain of society and stand up for what they believe. Everyone in this world is taking the wide road; the easy way. If it feels good do it, who cares if you might get AIDS. If it looks good take it, who cares if it's someone elses. The United States is in self destruct mode because its every man for himself and a house divided cannot stand.
Okay, so I want to be sure I understand this marriage thing. God created Adam and Eve and this was the first marriage, and they were the only people on Earth. They were fruitful and multiplied and then they and their children were the only people on Earth. Then their children married their brothers and sisters, and through incest they populated the Earth. This was God's idea of holy matrimony. So gay marriage is an abomination, but how about incest? Can I still marry my Sister or is that no longer permissible?
It still amazes me how a "Christian", who supposedly follows the bible, the ten commandments, etc., still believes they reserve the right to judge another human being. I still do not understand the belief that a "Christian" can beat the heck out of his wife, and "God" will still forgive him. Yet a man will fall in love with another man, do good in his community, and cause no harm to another living being, but he is going to "Hell" in the eyes of a "Christian." Maybe that is why I left the church when I was only 13 years old. I refused to believe in a set of rules where certain people were considered "better" than others. To me, even at such a young age, I saw just how WRONG that set of ideals was.
It is because Christianity is no different than Islam except for the name. They have the same philosophy.
Not so, my friend. Christianity is similar in a lot of ways but that is because Muhammad derived a lot of the Islam ways from th Jews The one big difference is that Allah is a God without compassion or love and the Almighty God is a God of compassion and love. That is why Jesus died to save us and open a way for us to be with Him eternally in heaven. You should do some research, you may be very much surprised at the differences between the two.
Well said, Carrie!
to even care what this cornball second rate child actor has to say about something so meaningful to real people's lives is a travesty. I tread the line just by commenting. get with it people.
Rocky. There you go employing common sense. Great comment
Carrie, you are so right! Kirk Cameron, if you profess to be living by the word of Jesus, you need to reread the Bible. You are certainly not adhering to the the virtues he embodied!! You also need to take a course in history and clarify facts from fiction. While you are at it, study the teachings of some of the other religious leaders, who came before and after Jesus, to give you a more educated perspective on life. Why are you so hateful, anyway?
Carrie and Myra do you think that we should all treat each other as we would want to be treated. Do you think common sense dictates that we should treat everyone with respect? Why do you think it is that those of such strong religious beliefs could be so misguided?
I usually like Piers, but his reactions to Kirk and a liar like Kal Penn were telling. Kal at Stanford? Please, he iwas buying a certificate via an online course. A masters is as believable as his sinecure at the White House.
Tonight the show was hurtful!
i thought the questions were fair. when you are preaching so openly, and decide to go on a talk show, you should be prepared for hard hitting questions. telling people they can't do this and can't do that because you read the bible, or more importantly decided to use the bible as a tool to use against something that doesn't fit in your perfect world, is absurd. you can tell how delusional and insecure he is by how defensive he got. i've also noticed that with most of these types of christians it is only certain parts of the bible they choose to take literally and push in peoples faces. ultimately it's selfish and counter productive. it's not about attacking religion, but the ignorant beliefs you are trying to spout at other people for no good reason. leave people alone and stop trying to make people ashamed of themselves for their personal choices because differences upset your cookie cutter life. that is why the majority of people can't keep a cool head when people like kirk cameron start to talk.
So, after Adam and eve procreated, how did the human race kept multiplying? Incest?
Great point... That would also explain some of the people that shop Walmart!!!
Saying that something is legalised in 7 states has nothing to do with any religious moral view of whether it is a sin or not. State regulation and moral values have rarely walked side by side. This is such a weak argument. State regulation of rights and wrongs is simply not based on a religious moral view of sin. It's a non-point.
The last time I ever watch Morgan!
Christianity IS amazing in that it has such a long history AND it has more than weathered the significant changes in it's doctrine to go with the times. The religion would be virtually unrecognizable in it's original form to a practicing member today. It would actually seem incredibly barbaric and backward actually. The main truth is that no matter how you put it there is absolutely NO proof that God or gods in ANY form exist. It is all a matter of personal belief. I find it absolutely incredible and disheartening that so many people in the modern countries still believe in omnipotent old men in the sky who see all and are awaiting a final day of atonement. Kirk Cameron is one of MANY deluded fools who need to crack the most basic of science texts and get a clue as to how the universe was ACTUALLY formed. Kirk! Read some Hitchens, some Dawkins, maybe Harris! You might realize how much of your life has been wasted on fairy tales! Grimms Bros is more believable than the Bible!
Generally I don't disparage, but I make exceptions for ignorant people who cannot keep their mouths shut in public forum. Yes, I know that he was invited but so were my comments.
Hey Kirk, There IS no god...and I tapped your wife while you were sittin in your car looking at spreads of Tom Cruise. If you dont like my post, then STFU so you dont make yourself a target.
Your post is the epitomy of what is going on here. You can say whatever you want about Kirk, but if anyone says anything about your post then they become a target. You my friend are the perfect picture of a hypocrite.
AMEN to that!
Wow! I have only watched your show a few times. I tuned in and you were interviewing Kal Penn. You were very friendly and enjoying interviewing him. When Kirk Cameron came on you obviously could not stand him and what he believes in. I could not believe how you treated him and the badgering questions you asked him. You didn't challenge Kal Penn in any way. Bad journalism, Piers!!!! I won't tune in again!!!!
Patricia, do you really care? I am sure CNN stock just fell through the floor because you won't tune in again.
Kirk, good for you. God is proud. His light shines through you.
JENNIFER!!! YOU CAN TALK TO GOD!?!?!?!?!?!?! Can you pleasssssse ask him something for me??? What did he mean by...
But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. Leviticus 11:10
I had some clams earlier....Was he just joking here? Or was serious, like about the gay thing in the previous passage of Leviticus??????????
Kirk who???
Adding my voices to those why a washed-up kiddie-TV has-been's opinion counts as "news". Why don't you concentrate on telling the American public about things that actually affect them?
Kirk is not a washed up kiddie-TV has been, he has been acting in many christian movies, they just aren't movies you'll see on the bill boards. Which is something is to be respected in my book. He is a good actor and could have been in popular movies but chose not to sell his soul to Hollywood for the sake of money and fame. I am really amazed at how opinionated so many people are when they don't have the right facts.
Thank-you, Connie. So true.
Fireproof. I just love that movie. One of my favorites. I just purchased tickets online for Monumental. He is truly a wonderful person doing what he can for our country. I am impressed 🙂
http://www.monumentalmovie.com/
May God continue to bless you and your abilities, Kirk.
Pierce I was disappointed with the way you treated Kirk on your show. I watched when you interviewed Chris Christie, and how the Governor was rude, disrespectful, blunt and even condescending toward you and you kind of just smiled and laughed it off. At times, it even seemed that the Governor was the one who was in charged. Kirk was the complete opposite. He was nice, repectful and answered all your questions, yet you were somewhat rude to him. It was obvious you did not like hearing what he had to say. Right before the commercial break you wouldn't even look at him,look on your face was unpleasant. I like watching your show and was very disappointed with last nights airing. Kirk is a good guy give him a chance! And then please ask yourself, why did you act that way?
Thank you, Kirk. I'm so glad there are people who will stand up for what is right. We live in a society where everyone is becoming so desensitized, and the line between what is right and what is wrong is becoming a big, grey area. Marriage between a man and a woman was ordained of God. The very purpose of this life is to be apart of and to create a family of our own to love and to nurture through life. One of the most-wonderful things you can ever experience in this life is holding a sweet baby that you and your wife took part in creating. THAT is one of the main reasons we are here on the earth; to experience parenthood and to become more like our Heavenly Father though it. Every person on this earth has a biological mother and father, because that's the only way it works and that's the only way that God intended it to be.
LOL. You're such a fool. So under your not so logic, logic – what category do you put those men and woman who can't reproduce for natural reasons? The afflicted? So under your version of Christianity, these people do not provide any value and are seen as less than in Gods eye? You are the real threat to the Christian faith and God makes it very clear how He feels of those who pretend to speak for Him by judging others. Moron!
Haha. Well, first of all, thank you for the name-calling. That says a lot about you, your argument, and point-of-view. But also, I never said anything about people who are unable to have children. For them there are many ways to have the same joy and satisfaction in raising a family through adoption. It's unfortunate that some people can't have children, but they try and find other ways to have a family if it's not possible.
But like I said, marriage is ordained between a husband and wife. No greater joy can be attained in this life than through wholesome and uplifting family relationships between parents and children (birthed or adopted). It's just the most important thing. Nothing else even comes close to mattering as much.
I'm not sure how you got that from Kaseys comment. And just so you know, the Bible talks about barren women being blessed. Two examples of blessed barren women are Sarah and Hannah. You should read their stories along with the rest of the Bible.
Piers need to stop twisting words of others..Regarding the Limbuagh crude statements, it was a matter of why should Health care be required to pay for your play...No more than an elective surgery...Wake up Piers and tell the truth.
"I think that religion – it's – it's supernatural. I think that it's – it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.
Thank goodness we still have a year or two in which bigots can appear on television and preach hatred of a group of people for being who they are! Someday ideas like this will be relegated to the same barf bag as 'mainstream' racist rants and THEN which demographic can we pick on?
Wow this coming from a guy who looks gay!! I was a fan but i think what he said whats messed up. i mean to each their own but he should of word it differently. I'm not gay but do have gay friends and they are married. The bible was written how long ago? Things change, life changes. Get with it.
Thank you, Mr. Cameron, for your beliefs. I am so glad someone has the courage to say what they believe. I agree with you 100%. Someone said that times have changed. Let me remind them that God never changes. God bless you and your work. Everett Amos
It really is too bad that times change isn't it? I mean where are the good old days when we could accuse someone of being a witch and burning them at the stake? Or, remember when you used to own slaves? Weren't those the best of times? And now, oh my...I know you won't believe this Everett Amos because it's just almost to unreal to believe but I had lunch today with a Dr. who is in a wheelchair. Can you believe that? I mean wow, they even make it easy for her to get into the building. These times are crazy, aren't they?
Jericho, I even saw black people without their owners today...all this change is just way too much.... God doesn't change so why should we? The only thing that is changing is we are now educated enough to know more accurately what the meaning of the Bible and God and all that is......LOVE! DUH!
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
WWJD. If Jesus wouldn't judge why should we? True Christians don't judge. I saw a side of Mr. Cameron that is closed and fear based. Guess who won't be watching your movies anymore? Open your heart man.
Love one another as I have Loved you. I try to love even those that forget that commandment. God is the creator,human beings are not. Who are we to judge and condemn his people? He made ALL peoples. Some people he made are gay. I am not about to tell him he did it wrong. HE is all knowing. HE did it on purpose. I will do as he commands and love as Jesus did. I pray for Kirk and all 'christians' that have forgotten the greatest commandment.
Someone should remind Cameron that after Adam & Eve, there were many plural marriages. So he should stop saying God defined marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman since God never told anyone anything of the sort. Also, if everyone descended from Adam & Eve, there must have been some incest going on. If God was omnipotent and omniscient, he must condone what is going on. If not, then either (1) he is powerless to change people away from what Cameron believes is correct, in which case God is not omnipotent, or (2) God just isn't interested in what we do, so people shouldn't bother even praying because God doesn't care.
or... 3) He gave us a will to make our own choices, instructions (Bible), and a conscience. We either choose to believe in God, read the Book, and obey ...or we choose to go our own way and please ourselves. And in the end, we each die and then we find out if God exists and whether our choices were the right ones...
lad, would it not be interesting if after death there was a judgement of you and then you find out that the bible was a trick? Then, the real god asks you: "so you believed it was righteous for those who did not believe in Jesus, someone such as Gandhi, that they should be tormented in hell for eternity?". "You condoned slavery, genocide and execution for the most frivolous offenses? You believed in ridiculous rules, believed in myth over scientific evidence and did not notice all the biblical contradictions?" But you know what, then that god forgives you and allows you into heaven along with the rest of the human race thus proving he/she is truly just unlike the travesty that is the deity in the bible. Now that would be amazing to see.
Detrimental? Destructive? That's funny, you can say the same thing about religion. How many wars have gays and lesbians started? How many people have been killed by us? How many civil wars have broken out because of us? NONE. Every war, every problem on this earth boils down to the religious freaks that dominate and destroy this planet. A life without religion is a life that is truly lived. Religion is just a way to control people, and I'm glad I'm not a part of us. Religion is for naive losers.
Could not agree more MC.
Piers, love to watch your interviews. I'm confused, however, with what happened to you last night. You came across dry and on the defensive. I wanted to hear his responses, but you cut him off like Bill O'Reilly does with his guests. Kirk C. was your guest and you were the host, but it was more like you were the judge and he was the defendant. I wanted to know more about the movie MONUMENTAL, but you only showed one clip, and though a good one, it left me wanting to know more of the heart of the movie. Lastly, love it when someone takes a side and sticks to it, no matter how much they are attacked. Go Kirk!
Ask Him if Jews go to Hell,
This goes to show how dangerous ignorance can truly be. What exactly are Kirk Cameron's credentials on this issue? We as a society need to take a harder line on the proselytization of religion. These antiquated and backward relgious views are the most unnatural, detrimental and destructive force in this society.
It's ironic – and hilarious – that Cameron's comment, "unnatural, detrimental, and destructive," also defines his acting and purpose as a human. Cameron must be looking for free publicity for another of his abysmal jesus movies. What a tragedy.
Notice GLAAD isn't trying to drive him from any employment.
That's because he is a Christian actor, acting in Christian movies.
kirk and the rest of the bible bangers will derive anything they want from the bible. these types of people are complete idiots who believe being gay is something you can turn on or off like a light switch. you are either gay or not from the time you are born. piers was not defensive in responding to kirk's comments. he was making valid statements which kirk obviously could not come up with any form of intelligent answers. how are some people so overwhelmingly ignorant in this day and age. kirk is promoting hatred on a grand scale.
Amazing... Kirk was ASKED his opinion. How do you come to your conclusions which are really judgments based on what you want us to believe. For instance, "kirk is promoting hatred on a grand scale." He wasn't promoting anything, that statement is such a bias and unsubstantiated opinion that it can hardly be seen as intelligent... in this day and age.
thank you Joseph! Well said! And I have to add...who is spewing "hate" right now, kuikava? The only thing that I see is condemnation from a person who doesn't agree with kirk and his opinion. Namecalling and degradation are not what I would call intelligent...base you answer on something more than bitterness and accusing those who believe differently than you, and there you will gain respect...
Personally, I could give two hoots what Kirk Cameron does or thinks. Why does anyone care? He's a has-been child actor from a long gone 80's sitcom. You'd think the was Jesus Christ himself the way everyone goes on about what he thinks! He's just a man with an opinion. Next.
Wow. Many of these comments are downright vicious. When did it become okay in society to name call, beat down and verbally attack another person for voicing their opinions and beliefs?
Piers had to know he was opening up a giant can of worms when he started that line of questioning. Kirk handled it quite well. He was honest and truthful in his answers. He is a Christian man who obviously loves his family very much. How him and his wife choose to raise their children is their business and theirs alone.
For the nasty commenters: now, before you start calling me a bible-thumper or crazy Christian... I have friends that are gay. I do not judge others for the choices they make. But who are you to judge Kirk like that? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
You may not believe in God and that is your choice. I do believe 100% though that when you are eventually facing death that most likely will change. I am not wishing you harm. As a nurse I have seen this happen many times firsthand as people were dying.
Kirk, I hope you didn't read all these comments. If you did – take them with a grain of salt. Persecution sucks. You are a Godly man. God bless.
AMEN....well said, Debbie! I agree 100%!
Bigotry is bigotry. Kirk is an ugly bigot spreading bold-faced bigotry against gay people. Jesus never said ONE WORD about gay people.
His Father did.
You just don't certify that God is Truth. You are calling God a bigot. Best of luck to you with that one.
Love your brothet but sin no more.
They should have the whole interview, instead of this little sound bite. He did a good job in answering his questions.
yeah I wish I would have seen the whole interview...the clip seems to be motivated to bring political dissent...disturbing.
Oh Debbie, you are such a good christian. You rail about name calling, then turn around and call out anyone who disagrees with you "nasty commenters". Furthermore, I doubt you are really a "friend" to those gay people you know. Maybe you should tell them how you really feel, hmm? You tell them that being Gay is their "choice". With friends like you.... They should really be aware of who they are befriending. God made as all, sweetie..you and me. Some he made straight and some gay. This isn't a choice. I don't know you, so have no idea whether you are a bigot or just ignorant. Either way..the "some of my best friends are gay" is so cliche it's a joke. You might as well say, "yes, I am a huge bigot and hide it by pretending to befriend some gays".
Whoooops! I actually meant that the comments themselves were nasty. Not the people that were writing them. My apologies.
Good for you Katsuri for calling out Debbie on her hypocrisy – the all too common "I have friends who are ___, but..."
Debbie, I believe in God too, but I don't subscribe to any version of "Christianity" that is antiquated and alllows for people to make excuses and hide behind their religion to justify hurting others.
@katsuri & period pie. I choose to turn the other cheek. I exit this site with maturity and grace. Enough said.
Yet another pointless discussion defending bigotry and hate.
Thank you Piers for calling out Kirk Cameron and asking him the tough questions! Being gay is not a choice and people who think so are idiots and thank you for grilling him and making him answer the tough questions. People who disguise their hate and bigotry behind Christianity are the ones who need the help, not gay people.
You really shouldn't call God a bigot.
Personally, I find it difficult to entertain anything said by someone as ineloquent as this Kirk Cameron. Not to mention his scarce knowledge on the history of marriage. Yes, everyone would like to envision marriage as a union between a man and a woman that is sanctioned by God. However, as convenient as it may be to fabricate history in a manner that compliments one's beliefs, marriage predates Christian religions. When polytheism was the more predominant sect of religious beliefs, they too engaged in unions, but they were far less romantic. The majority of individual may wish to believe that marriage is as old as "dirt" and Christianity somehow has dibs on it, but it has been used for thousands of years to join nations. It was intended to secure a nation's security through wealth and power which was procured through the union of powerful individuals. That "pop" you just heard, is the bubble bursting for all the delusional bigots out there. And those that conspire to use religion as a scape goat and to limit the rights of others.
No. You want to DO what YOU want to do. That's why you've rejected God. You are placing yourself above Him.
Marriage has always followed God:s definition, between a man and a woman. Both gay and straight people have the same right to ask God for healing of their sins.
The problem lies in the fact that you WANT to keep sinning. Don't put the blame for YOUR decision on others. You are trying to make the others accept sin so that YOU feel better about it and to get others to do it as well, so that they too will fall away.
Disagreement about views is not Bigotry or hate. ps Jesus was crucified – I guess he said a few things people didn't like.
It is when the views are about tolerance of people based on their differences. The Bible isn't too fond of women either Jane
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)
So I am going to go with the Bible on this one and say you must not have had a man nearby to think for you.
Piers Morgan should be ashamed of himself for the way he treated Kirk Cameron. Is he that insecure that he must attack a wonderful person who stands up for his beliefs. Piers' actions during the interview show the hypocrisy of the of the liberal agenda. They believe in freedom of choice but only if the choice is in line with the liberal agenda. I don't see Piers interrogating a liberal on why they believe murdering an infant is okay. Thank you Kirk for standing up to Piers and all those that try to make you back down.
Kirk was brought on the show to talk about his views on some of America's cultural issues. Whether or not you were offended by his personal beliefs, he merely stated them. I am an athiest (grew up in a Baptist home/private Baptist school) and in no way agree with him, but making blanket statements about Christians (and/or "Christians") is unfair and unkind. All teachings of Christ center around grace and humility and any true follower (most who claim to have a true relationship with Christ/Jesus) put those values over EVERYTHING else. It's unfortunate that those who feel THEIR version of God is one that put them on this earth to be hold an ugly mirror to everyone they come across is giving Christians their mean and frankly UNGodly reputation. Hats off to those big enough to choose love over hate and discipleship (teaching by example) over condemnation. Maybe one of these days a church official and/or just some brave soul willing to stand with their Brothers and Sisters in Christ with the message that they are of equal value to their God...not that a story like that would ever make it to the news.
Piers,
What would you tell your son if you found out that he was robbing liquor stores?
That's great son! Whatever makes you happy!
...Dad, I'm a serial killer!
That's great son! Whatever makes you happy!
Yes...Yes... I am beginning to see the wisdom of your logic now Piers. How could I have missed it?
You hit the nail on the head, Mike, if we don't stand on our Christian beliefs, we will be like the world and fall for anything.
I think Piers should be yanked from the airwaves. He is THE worst listener and most biased self obsessed mainstream interviewer in the spot light I have ever watched.
Oh great.
I'm gay and now I have to go through the confusing coming of age of realizing I am a serial killer...
I mean, you are implying that they are the same by your comment right?
Grow up sir.
he is not saying gay people are serial killers, he is saying Piers' logic on how he engages his children's choices is messed up. I know people who respond to their children like this and it is mainly because they don't care what they do. Kudos to Kirk for caring enough about all six of his children to be involved with their life and take time to discuss their feelings and choices.
Kirk, you are absolutely right. Man marrying woman is ordained by God and no one should alter this. We have to just remember what happened to Sodom. And our God is unchanging.
God will bless you Kirk
Thank God our founding fathers had the intelligence to realize that a separation of church and state is absolutely necessary. I respect your beliefs wholly and completely. I was educated by Catholics and they did quite a wonderful job.
Here's the problem....America is all about these concepts called "freedom" and "liberty". Therefore, I should be allowed to marry who I love. Simple
I find Cameron's opinion intriguing and wonder if anyone realized that a girl he dated as a teenager, Leanna Creel, is a married lesbian.
Piers Morgan is nothing but a jerk, he knew what to expect from Cameron in regards to that topic. Besides is 7 more than 43? Just in case Morgan does not know how to substract, I would like to let him know that if 7 states have agreed, 43 have not, and as far as I know 43 is more than 7. Also, what is GLAAD complaining about? they are always asking for tolerance, then they should be an example of such and stop attacking a person just because he has a different opinion.
Thank God our founding fathers had the intelligence to realize that a separation of church and state is absolutely necessary. I respect Mr. Cameron's beliefs wholly and completely. I was educated by Catholics and they did quite a wonderful job. EVERYONE has a right to believe as they choose.
Here's the problem....America is all about these concepts called "freedom" and "liberty". Therefore, say that gay marriage or people are not valid or natural is AN OPINION and and obstruction of the freedom of the people who live in, and pay taxes to this country.
I think Kirk's answers to Piers questions were very brave. I commend you Mr. Cameron. Good job!
I do not support Christian world views nor do i support "morality" conversations and conclusions and archaic arguments that shame or make wrong any one person or group in society that I might find unattractive but this actor is respectful and tells the truth about his views. I respect that. We need more authenticity so conversations like this can take place.
I want to attack and rip into Piers Morgan for his bias and the way he conducts interviews but I will refrain.
Well, I think being an Evangelical Christian is unnatural, detrimental and ultimately destructive there Kirk.
People are allowed to have different opinions than the opinion that is being shoved down everyone's throat. Cameron shouldn't be demonized just because he has a differing opinion on this social issue that is obviously a personal one for everyone. Morgan practically forces it out of him, and I think Cameron answered honestly and calmly, as opposed to Morgan who got more and more heated. He didn't even as Cameron why he thinks its detrimental to society- that's a pretty big statement. A good reporter would ask why.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH is the right of any AMERICAN. Kirk was not yelling or screaming or being obnoxious just excerising his right as a AMERICAN. It is only for GOD to judge.
Piers, I read that you said Kirk Cameron "was pretty brave to say what he said." Seriously? Are you planning to interview racists next and call them brave for sharing their bigoted views?
I don't give a flying fig what Kirk's opinion is, he's an ACTOR paid to entertain us not spout his views...because he has the use of the TV airwaves he should be ashamed of himself using it to spout his views. I am the mother of a beautiful gay woman who has been happily married to her partner for 5 years...they pay their bills, they pay their taxes, they are good members of their community..what they do in the privacy of their home is nobody's business....believe what you want, but don't shove it down my throat..and I did something we all have the right to do, I changed the channel! 🙂
Kirk Cameron expressed his opinion and beliefs, why are people attacking him for his beliefs? He has the right to an opinion even if others don't agree. I am tired of the so-called liberal viewpoints which are definitely destructive in today's society. I am glad that CNN/Piers Morgan interviewed Kirk Cameron, not sure what their motive was, but it was refreshing to see an actor voice what a large majority of average Americans believe.
I bet you want see Morgan interview a Muslim and question him on his moral values.
When I read comments that use the terms real, true christian or believer I know that what is to follow is something that will defend a bigoted comment by a self serving commenter.
Praise the Lord for Godly men like Kirk Cameron. We need more men that will stand up for the "truth" of Jesus Christ. I bet you want the Morgan interviewing a Muslim and questioning him on his moral values. Want happen.
Poor gay people ...poor lil oh gay people! Shut up, be gay, live your life and let everyone else live with there own opinion. .... Where have all the decent reporters gone....piers is an obnoxious, closed minded idiot.
Good job Kirk...May the Spirit of God continue to strengthen you to shine the light amidst the darkness and deceptions. and may God strengthen you in your walk with God. May indeed all come to understand that we all need the saving love of Christ as only He has the power and love to encompass and save us from the corruptions and perversions in ourselves and in the world . God bless us all.
Gay bashing pimp Piers Morgan should be kicked off CNN, first for inviting that tyrannical theocRAT Jesus Freak KKKirk Cameron to incite violence against LGBTI people and then for telling TMZ that inciting violence against LGBTI people is "brave" and "courageous" http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/04/kirk-cameron-piers-morgan-gay-marriage-video/#.T1OhgnKXTvM
Ok.. Sigh I'm done with idiotic comments like this. You watch tmz...nuff said.
Being ignorant isn't "brave" Would Piers think he was brave if the comments were racist? No. Anti-Semetic? No. (and he'd probably be out of a job as well). I've lost all rspect for Piers Morgan and won't be watching his show anymore. Shame on CNN for allowing Piers to make such ignorant and hurtful remarks, it shows a total lack of leadership and sensitivity on their part. I'll be switching channels for my news coverage now.
kirk Cameron is smelly
Pierce,
Your 'would be'comment to your son – 'that's great. as long as you are happy'. You made it sound like being gay is a life style, but I believe that gay is a gender like man or woman.
I used to love Kirk Cameron back in those Growing Pain days. I recall a time when I thought he was gay though, just not ready to admit it...lol!!! How ironic.
I haven't read all of these comments (too many, lol), but I will say this. I'm not a super religious person, and I have a small number of friends who are gay. Personally, if they're gay, that's their deal, but I do NOT agree with gay marriage. I hear some people criticize that stance because the world today is different, and is changing. True, it is, but one thing that has not changed is God's word. When god says it's ok, I'll be ok with it.
Piers asked, and Cameron gave an honest answer. He is to be commended. Since most people follow the religion of secular humanism, they declare themselves to be their own authority. However, this is not the way the world was set up. God's standards are the absolute authority. No random person or society gets to call the shots. We would all call evil good if left to our own foolishness.
Last time I checked, we live in the United States and have the "FREEDOM" of speech. Yet if you give your opinion in this current time, you are branded at the stake. If you are gay and riding the wave you are ok huh?, yet you voice your opinion and voice you believe its wrong, or a sin or against gay marriage and oh my god everyone is in open arms. Seriously? maybe we should come on to T.V talk shows and get congressmen to start a new campaign called "SAVE THE STRAIGHT PEOPLE, then would we be correct in "OUR" opinion and what we believe in????
I admire you. And agree with you. It is very hard in 2012 to stand up for God, Jesus, and the Bible. God IS using you as one of His vessals. God's continued blessings and protection.
Kirk Cameron is loyal to his faith. There are plenty other issues in this world to view as negative, this is not one of them. Congratulations on not being afraid to speak what is in your heart. This is what freedom of speech is. Let's stop the double standard just because it goes against pop culture, if we do that, then we are not free at all.
My God has taught me not to judge. Kirk Cameron, a Born Again -– I think not!!!! Unless in his view "Born Again" means "now I can judge the world" - perhaps that's his interpretation – mine is "Live and Let Live"
Kirk's God is the God of the Bible... Who is your God that calls for "live and let live"? I have never heard of him unless you mean the narcissistic God of self.
I agree with Kirk. Finally someone taking against moral decay and the destruction of our soceity. Thanks Kirk I'm so GLAAD you took a stand. How you like that LGBT.
See what religion does. It's BS stories that cause fanatical views. Just ridiculous.
can everyone get over what people's opinions are. marriage i currently housed under two roofs (church and state). the state doesnt shouldnt tell me that i'm married. the state should only tell me about my "civil union". the sacrament of marriage is holy... and the state is definitely NOT holy.
let's get rid of this "everyone deserves everything they want" mentality. that's destructive. what next... dogs and people marrying?
Michael, everyone does deserve everything they want so long as they go out and earn it, it's consensual, and don't harm people in the process. And it's ignorant to compare dogs and people marrying to gay people. Gay people have a consensual relationship, whereas a person would be forcing a different species to be with them.
What would Kirk do if one of his children were gay...was afraid to come to him to tell him they were gay...and if he were not accecpting of this child, they took thier own life!!
Kirk is not a true Christian. If he was really a christian were is the love that christ would have shown for everyone? He has to realize that kids and teenagers are hearing this and LGBT suicide rates are up by 40% and by hearing his comments will not help them!
Kirk does have the right to his own opinion. As so do I.
I believe to use a religion to force values on someone is morally not right at all. This country practices the freedom to believe whatever you want to believe in. Even people who believe in the same exact religion have different view points (a reason why there are so many different types of Christian churches). There's a reason why the church is separated from the state and it needs to stay that way or people would be slaves (yes, I said slaves) under values they don't believe in, and that's not what this country was based on. And with all due respect, if the government is going to get to the point where laws are based on a specific religion, then those churches very well need to pay their fair share of taxes.
As far as gay marriage, why not let them get married? These are two people who engage in a completely consensual relationship. This is their business and their business ONLY. And if God is involved, it's between them and God ONLY. You might look at this as a sin, but aren't we all sinners in the eyes of God? And aren't all sins the same? EVERY SINGLE PERSON sins EVERY SINGLE DAY. It's completely hypocritical to judge someone when you are just as much as a sinner as what they are. I'm sure you wouldn't want someone pointing out what they consider your sin and for you to change or you're going to burn in hell every single day, would you? I think not, because what's between you and God is between you and God. If gay marriage bothers you THAT badly, then that's your own issue that you need to deal with personally, or with God, or whatever you believe in. Telling someone to fix themselves (especially when it's consensual and harmless) because it bothers you is self righteous, self-centered, and egotistical.
And I think people need to slack off of Piers. Does he not have a right to his own views as well? He was obviously really fired up about something he whole heartedly believes in. Thats like asking a woman reporter not to show emotion when interviewing a man who believes women shouldn't have the same rights as men. It's completely and utterly ridiculous.
Furthermore, being gay is so much further from destructive compared to other issues this country is dealing with right now. You want to talk about destructive? Teaching children to tell other children they're going to burn in hell for their lifestyle or that their parents are going to burn in hell for their lifestyle is hatred, it's bullying, and it's bigotry. Even if you put your opinion in a "nice" way (which I don't see is in anyway possible, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt), you are making these people feel worthless and that their life isn't worth living so they might as well end it since they are going to burn in hell anyways. There are way too many people committing suicide, including children. It needs to stop.
Thank you, Mr. Cameron. I'm sorry that so many are responding in a hateful way, but it does demonstrate what Christ said, "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you." People who claim to be Christians but who seek the world's approval instead of God's approval are going to be surprised one day. May the Father bless you and keep you for your reverence.
Hmm, I wouldn't give Kirk the pleasure of stating that people are hating him. I don't think that's the case at all. Nobody hates him for having an opinion, or even that he's a Christian. I believe it's the fact of what someone else had put, that you can't force your values on other peoples lifestyles.
I've read quite a few responses that I would define as hateful. Please help me understand how speaking up about his beliefs is forcing his values on other people. I've heard plenty of people speak the opposite opinion, and I don't believe they're forcing that on me. They're just stating an opinion that is opposite of mine.
I don't know why, Erin, but it's not giving you a "reply" button, so I'm having to reply to my own comment. So, if it looks messed up, I apologize.
But, anyway, just because something appears as "hateful" doesn't mean that he is "hated." Just like I'm sure a lot of people think that him stating that being gay is detrimental and destructive is hateful (which it is incredibly insulting), it doesn't mean that Kirk "hates" gay people. And by all means, him saying that pretty much defines where he stands on gay marriage and what he wants to see happen with that. And by forcing two people who want to be together not to be together, is forcing unwanted values.
I can see, Ashley, that we both are seeing the hurt on either side of the debate, and I do appreciate your civility.
Thank you Kirk Cameron for boldly speaking the truth! I support your comments 100%. Sometimes the truth doesn't make you popular but it is what it is! Sorry if you can't handle the truth but God designed the plan, not anyone else and if you are going to be mad you need to take it up with the author of the Bible. Not Kirk Cameron. Don't shoot the messenger.
I agree with you 100%! God Bless!
Thank you! You sure did get that right. You tell'em
How Utterly OUT OF TOUCH this young man is. With 6 kids, he needs to climb into the 21st Century and wise-up to the prevailing feelings of the people around him and the morals of human rights of others. In California, a recent poll showed 57% of people in favor of gay marriage as opposed to 33% against.
1st century or the 21st century, Heb. 13:8 states "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." I don' think he changes his mind according to societal trends and immoral values. Praise the Lord.
Time or changes of moral shifting do not change absolute truth. If it was wrong 1000 years ago it still is. moral absolutes do not change with time.
Amen!! Heb 13:8 God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Thank you Kirk for your honest and Godly behavior in the interview. Also most people won't like what they heard, I believe that God was pleased. And that is what really matters.
Is it 1985? I have ½ a mind to tear down all my ‘Teen Beat' posters of him…. Oh, wait….
My point? Kirk Cameron is so irrelevant. Who cares what he thinks? This just shows that he isn’t that much different from the numb-skulled teenage character he played 25 years ago. I am more worried about Piers & his choice of guests – he is really scraping the bottom here.
i thought this was a stupid question to ask Kirk. Everyone knows his views and what his answer was going to be. No matter what he said he was going to get hammered. To each their own, but you asked him a question on a topic and he gave it.
Question: Is there anyway you can disagree with gay marriage and not be castigated for your belief?
The constant message of hate from both sides of the platform on this feed greatly sadden me.
Hate only breeds more hate. Hate is a crime according to man's law and God's law. Stop throwing stones, learn to be tolerant of others and spend more time spreading joy and love to others.
Piers, stop forcing your guest to answer what you wanted to hear! Learn to respect their opinion. You asked for his opinion, you got the answer! Plain and simple!
You go Mr.Cameron, I commend you. Just like the Living Bible says in 2Timothy4:1-9 keep preaching the TRUTH.And when ask with that question about gay marriage you should have preach about Sodom and Gomorrah, and for all those who are upset with him, oh well may our GOD bless all of you
Kirk Cameron is so destructive! He base all his arguments on fiction.
I always find it interesting how one can voice his views, in a clear, non violent or malicious way and still be crucified by some. Kirk stated his views and was not hateful or insulting. He didn;t say :"Gays should die and are going to hell" No, he stated his views based on his beliefs and I respect him for it. It's all the gays and pro gay marriage advocates that have lost class for attacking him. If you want others to respect your gay choice of life, please learn to respect and understand that there are people who just don;t agree with it, but that does not mean they hate gay people. I think that is the point that is missed here. I hear more gays being nasty to non gay marriage advocates than vice versa. Prime example, Perez Hilton's disgusting and offensive reaction to Ms Prejeans answer at the Miss America. Google his reaction and then watch how Prejean answered his question on the Ms America, and see who is the real hateful person of the 2.
There is certainly something to be said about your argument. However, hateful speech doesn't have to be transparent. There are plenty of individuals, like Kirk Cameron, that do a beautiful job at illustrating prejudice without so much as a subtle mention. Granted, I doubt referring to gay marriage and couples as “detrimental” and “destructive” is a gracious way of expressing your opinion. Let’s not forget, one doesn’t have to be violent in order to voice opinions that are, in every way, demoralizing and abhorrent. After all, I could just as easily, with said calm disposition, call you a deficient waste of organic life that scars the very moral fabric of our society. I must admit, it is quite eloquently said, but fairly hurtful nonetheless. Oh, and don’t forget, I said it non-violently!
I see so much hypocrisy in the Kirk's of the world–they don't believe in man-made chemicals to prevent birth, yet they believe in man-made chemicals to produce birth. They don't believe in man-made chemicals to stop a pregnancy, yet they believe in man-made chemicals to continue a pregnancy. There is just so much hypocrisy in the Kirk’s of the world.
Elizabeth, weren't you made aware? Individuals like Kirk Cameron are not bound by moral decency or individual integrity. Hypocrisy is only present when it contradicts their own point of view, which is often times utilized for demoralizing effect. In an ideal world, one in which they control, they can superimpose their personal beliefs on all citizens despite controversy. Because everyone has to view the world under a lens similar to Kirk Cameron and those alike. Diverse opinions and lifestyles are unacceptable. And if not, they will certainly scour the holy text to substantiate their claims. Regardless of whether it makes any logical sense.
I am a Christian that left the church because I have my own interpretation, I guess, of the Bible. I see on TV shows that represent Kirk's beliefs nothing but the "perfect" family. I will not name the show here on the basis that my comments may not be published. I am not referring to Kirk's past fiction TV show...I am referring to a TV show that currently airs that supports Kirk's beliefs. These females must wear skirts, yet they are allowed to do anything they want that is secular from the neck up to the knees down. Try to go and figure that one out and find me scripture...
Kirk was set up by Piers. Kirk was aked a question by Piers and he answered based on his beliefs. This is how everyone would answer this question, based on their own beliefs. What is wrong with that. The real question is why does Piers continue to ask this question of his guests. Its all about ratings. Piers is the guy fueling the firing. SHAME on you Piers for creating such chaos. Quit putting your GUESTS in this situation.
Kirk, you have an amazing opportunity to spread LOVE and you are failing. 🙁
Congratulations Kirk for having the courage to remind the world what God told us so long ago! There is a reason God planned things the way He did...and why does the world think it is above God and can change things? So why is the world "shooting the messenger"..these were NOT Kirk's words!!!
Why is it that as Christians that we have to be so accepting of everyone, but we are not accepted when we voice our beliefs? Good job Kirk!
People do accept Christians. If they didn't, you wouldn't have the freedom to believe in the Christian faith. But just as well as you have your opinions, others have theirs. In this case, the Christian faith is very discriminating towards this lifestyle, so of course this is going to be a hot topic and people are going to debate.
I believe you may be confused, Amy. Referring to someone as "detrimental" and "destructive" is a far cry from acceptance. Now hurry! You need to scour the holy text for solutions to my logic. Quickly!
I agree Amy!!! Isn't isn't it sad that today's society acts like little children...they don't like "rules" so they purposely go against them??? (have tantrums and rant) There was a reason for God giving His children instructions...just as we instruct our kids.
AMEN!! I also think that in our society it is all about instant gratification and not about restraint. It is a me society with no boundaries! I believe in loving the sinner and not the sin as Jesus taught us, but it is very hard when you are raising a child in this society today. It is hard to teach them how to be good and moral people when all around them society is telling them everything is ok. It is on every show they watch now, even ABC Family. I can't put my daughter in a bubble, that is not reality! I have to approach it as a teaching moment and explain everything as I feel Jesus would thorough his word!
Keep on Kirk!!! Praying for you! Glad to see the thousands of Christians applauding you on Facebook!!!!
Now Kirk is a real man! Don't know why we have to tip toe around a mere 10% of the population that is gay. (according to stats)...where are the other 90%?? Afraid to be persecuted like Kirk!! I'm not afraid!! The Lord loves us all...but just like a parent, he tells us how to act!!
exactly!!..I've wondered that myself!!! Such a small percentage...however;the majority of those are in the media world...that's why they make it such a major battle! And where are those 90%????? Afraid of the "piersecution" is right!!!
I inadvertently posted a website regarding Kirk's movie, Please disregard, I did not mean to post it. Thanks
Yes, I'm replying to my own post because for some reason my first post was not posted, maybe because it was to long long or what I wanted to post was NOT ALLOWED, can't imagine why, maybe because it was Kirks words. Well, go to Kirks facebook page and read it for yourself! This post won't be allowed to be posted either, if it does...my bad!
Why is it okay for religious people to have freedom of speech, but it's not okay for a gay person to have freedom of expression/emotions? When will this country learn that we've separated church and state for a reason. FINE, we won't call it marriage, but for the sake of acceptance and peace, allow civil unions!
Piers will tell his son "It's okay if you're gay, as long as you're happy"
That sounds like the moral highground. But Mr. Piers, what if your son said:
"Dad, I've started smoking crack"
Do you, Mr. PIers, tell your son "It's okay to smoke crack, as long as you're happy"
I doubt you would sir. Just because your son, or daughter, does something that makes them happy, doesn't mean you can just be irresponsible, turn the other cheek, and just let them and pretend that makes you a better man then anyone else.
Every man and woman turns gay. I'm sure this is many people's dreams. Well, how do we produce offspring? Hm? To encourage anything that threatens the continuation of our species? I fail to understand how you sleep at night Piers.
I too am a Christian, and Kirk Cameron I applaud you for standing on God's word.. Those who are influenced by the ruler of this world will misconstrue whatever you say and the bible tells us this also. I have seen a high profile TV evangelist back down to like questioning on this very same show.
Stay strong and know that God is well pleased. You are in our prayers, Be Blessed
If you only knew how ridiculous you sound while you "applaud" hateful thinking that does nothing more than perpetuate prejudice. I doubt God would applaud individuals who use the holy text to degrade and demoralize others because of their own narrow-minded perceptions.
"If we all new each others true opinion. We would all hate each other because we will never understand our beliefs"
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thank God there is at least one celeb that isnt afraid to tell the truth. Unfortunately most will realize Kirk is right too late. Piers felt some type of way cause maybe it hit home mostly. Yes GOD loves us all and we all have a choose to make if you want life or damnation your choose good luck in the rapture for you all that think Kirk was saying something wrong. Go Gods army the war is at hand stand strong we must put our armor on and stand.
narrow minded are people who want to shutup the Kirks of this evil world. If you think you are so OPEN MINDED then you dont have a problem with Kirk after all he is saying what he believes or are you really the narrow minded that only wants your believe heard
we should all realize this earth is SATANS domain and most will think they are suppose to do what makes them happy!!!! wrong YOU dont count your live should be lead to make GOD PLEASED
Kirk AWESOME REPRESENTATION of Gods love.Thank you. The hesitation could have been taking a huge breath before tackling that topic. It could have been realizing that your words here could either shine for God or take away from our God of love and the fact that we ALL need Him. If more people would pause to reflect and gather their thoughts we'd all be better off. Kirk-you rock b/c you allow God to use your voice in an industry that crushes the heart of Jesus Christ. Media scrutiny is expected but well received b/c when the world hates you, you know you are on the right track to delivering Gods message of truth. AMERICA STOP SETTLING FOR LESSER THINGS. GOD IS WAITING ON YOU WITH OPEN ARMS:)
Amen Kirk, the bible says that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. being gay is a sin, says God. we love the sinner but not the sin they are practicing by being gay. is unnatural there parts of our buddy that are dessigned by God for a particular purpose and nobody should abuse them. gays are not females to live like one.
It also says in the Bible that those who work on Sundays will be put to death.
Believe what you want to believe, but it's not moral to force your values on other people. Not everyone believes in the Bible, and they have every right not too.
This is not a question if you believe in the bible but do you believe Jesus Christ died for your sins? That Jesus Christ is King of King and Lord of Lords. "For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." but you can know him as Lord and Savior if you just repent and ask make him lord of your life.
Ginger, I don't believe you grasped what Shellie was saying. You have every right to live a life in fear of smiting and a fear that you're innately a terrible sinner despite any kind and good-natured behavior. However, you have no right to demoralize and degrade others to further your convictions. And you certainly do not have the right, this includes anyone who may identify as "religious," to superimpose your personal values on others. I am not entirely sure why you even wrote what you did, as it clearly doesn't argue any particular point. Obviously, if you trust that Jesus is your savior than you place value in the bible. Not everyone needs too, though. There are many religious orientations and spiritual belief systems and it is within no one's authority to dictate whether they're just or not.
I am not out to argue any point but to point you and other to only one who can save you and give true peace and that is Jesus Christ. I accepted him as Lord and Savior when I was 20 years old, that has been 30 years ago and what a blessing it has been. God wants us to bring glory to him and tell others about him. I pray you come to know Jesus as Lord and Savior. What I don't ujnderstand is how one can look at his creation and deny his existence. I am a scuba diver and when I am diving and see the beauty below it is breath taking. All I can say is Thank you Jesus for giving the ability to view the beauty below as well as on earth. I promise you live will forever be changed if you live it for him. I am commanded to go into the world and tell other of Christ Love. John 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Matthew 28:19
Honestly, I am unsure as of how to respond to your comment. Oh, and don't flatter yourself, nothing about it was either logical or sound. I suppose it is difficult to respond to anything with such poor reasoning, especially considering your scuba diving example. Sorry to break this to you, Ginger, but by simply saying God created the coral reef and justifying that reason with its beauty is not an argument. I could just as easily say that coral are evolved organisms that produce exoskeletons in a colony fashion, simulating large structural objects on the ocean floor. However, the difference is that much what I said is supported by scientific evidence. The only item you can provide as proof of your argument is the Bible which is, news flash, written by man. If man is innately sinful, as you mentioned in your earlier post, wouldn’t that suggest that sin has also impacted the writings of the Bible? What reasoning is there to exclude the Bible from the taint of sin, as it is, as I said, written by man? With that said, you most certainly are posing an argument for the existence of God, as you are verbalizing opposition to my statements.
I am not interested in arguing. I can only share with you what God has done in my life and how it changed me. You will die someday. I can only pray that when you stand before God and should ask you "why should I let you into my heaven" you will have the answer. I will be praying for you. God Bless.
Alaric. You have the right to your beliefs just as anyone else does. We all possess the right of freedom of speech as well as the right to free will. Nobody can force us to accept what we choose not to believe. That is what makes this country such a great place for us to live. But on the other hand, just because you have made the choice to not believe in God does not excuse you from making disrespectful remarks about the Bible. Yes, I said disrespectful because to assume that God can't possibly exist because man wrote down the words is in fact disrespectful. Of course man wrote the words. But what you fail to understand is that God gave man the words to write down. You don't have to believe this but it is indeed rude to ridicule people who do. I am a Christian and choose to believe and follow God's word according to what he has dictated to man. The Bible is our instructional manual so that we don't have to wander around confused on what he expects of us. There is nothing in it that is of a harmful nature. Before I accepted Christ, I was a lost soul wandering around with all sorts of troubles. And I mean that literally. At one time I was even homeless with no money or food. Once I opened my heart up to him, I began receiving Blessings. I am not going to lie and say that my life has not had troubles. Because that is the way of the world. But I don't worry over them anymore. I don't have to. They are always taken care of in the long run. I can live a life happy, at peace, and worry free. This is how I get to live every day now. I couldn't be happier. The joy I feel is so wonderful. I never want it to go away and I know it won't because I have God to take care of me. All I know is what I can see and I see the Blessings everyday. My nephew nearly died from cancer when he was a baby. The doctors said to not expect him to survive. We all prayed and believed. He is now 14 and totally cancer free. That is why we believe. If that isn't a Blessing, I don't know what is. God has been such a wonderful father to us all. Therefore we are not about to abandon him simply because others feel we are wrong. It is your choice to believe what you want. All I know is what I have experienced and seen for myself. I never want to go back where I was. Back then, all I wanted to do was die. Now, all I want to do is live and celebrate each day thanking God for all he has provided as I give back to others. I love paying it forward. It is so much fun helping others in need. My biggest joy is the ability to Bless others. I wouldn't be able to do this if God didn't give me the gifts that he does. I can promise you it has been a lot and each day he gives us more and more. He loves giving to his children. All he asks in return is obedience and love. Isn't that what our earthly parents expect of us? They like to give gifts to their children. I know I do. And trust me, the gifts God gives far exceed any that our parents could possibly afford. Ask and you shall receive as long as you are faithful to the Lord. Anyhow, he gave us all free will because he isn't going to make us be faithful. He doesn't want robots. Therefore you have the right to believe what you want and live the way you choose to. The only thing is that unless you give your life to Christ, you will never receive the Kingdom of God. But since you don't believe anyway, I guess it doesn't matter for you. Personally, I feel it is better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong. It doesn't hurt anyone to believe especially if it provides them with joy and peace. What could be better than that? I wouldn't trade anything in this world for it. God Bless you.
Yes Shellie you do have the right to not believe. But having someone tell you about how wonderful God is is simply a way for us to share our joy and happiness with others. Sorry if it offends you. We as Christian only want the best for our fellow man. God made Heaven and he wants us all to be there with him but it can not happen unless we give ourselves to Christ. I am sorry you feel the way you do. You will never be able to experience the wonderful feelings of blissfulness until you experience the moment that you allow Christ into your heart. I have never felt such freedom, peace, happiness, and joy. I wouldn't trade it for the world. I am so happy I found God before it was too late for me. I am so truly Blessed in so many ways. I pray that someday you may find the same joy because the way I see it is; it is better to believe and be wrong than not believe and be wrong. If hell does exist...eternity is a long time to be there.
Theresa, from the way you talk, it seems like you assume that I'm not a Christian. Thanks for asking if I was or not, and I'll continue to let you assume.
I've studied the Bible through and through. What bothers me is that Christians pick and choose what they want to enforce. There are soooo many sins and soooo many abominations in the Bible, but only a few are mentioned and the rest overlooked. What about working on Sunday? What about women not being allowed to be the head of the church? What about eating pork? What about women who are on their monthly cycle not being allowed to step foot into a holy place? I could go on and on. My point is, either enforce it all and play God here on earth, or overlook what other people do, keep your relationship with God between you and God, let other's keep their relationship with God be between them and God, and let God handle it, which is the way it's supposed to be in the first place. We are not the ultimate judge, therefore we have no right to tell people what to do as long as it's not harming other people.
Besides, I think telling someone that they're gonna burn in hell for their lifestyle isn't exactly my idea of telling someone how loving God is.
& don't act like my life is miserable because you assume I don't have God. You don't know me, & you don't know if I do or not, so I'll continue to let you assume. My life is perfect to me. I have a loving Husband, a wonderful family, & great friends. If there's one thing I know about myself, is that I love ALL people. I don't care if you're gay, straight, transgender, male, female, what religion you believe in, what nationality you are, what you look like, how much you weigh, etc. If someone has a good heart, they are not to be overlooked. If their lifestyle is completely consensual, makes them happy, & doesn't harm me & other people, then it's no place for me to tell them that they're wrong, especially when there's no solid proof that it is.
We live in a modern world & it's time to start showing some tolerance & acceptance. We have the capability to coexist in situations like this. But comments like Kirk's & the lack of tolerance holds us back & doesn't allow us to move forward. It's heart breaking. You don't have to like the lifestyle. Just like Atheists don't like religion, but they tolerate it. Every different religion conflict with one another (even certain denominations within the same religion), but they tolerate one another (for the most part). Geez, I think flowers & plants on furniture is tacky, but I don't tell people how to decorate because they have different taste than me. It's time to show tolerance & respect.
Like an old saying states, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.
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Like a rudderless ship in a storm.. peirs ship is tossed by the waves ...kirks ship has a rudder that will stabilize...
the problem with ethics that have no standard is more often than not you end up on the rocks !
Plain and simple......many Americans fear the values that Christians hold because it makes them out to be wrong. No one likes to be wrong. However, one day we will all stand(or lay face down) at the feet of our maker! If the Christians are wrong and there is no God, then they will have led a life of kindness and caring and a high moral standard and there will be nothing to regret. If the Christians are right and God does exist and everything the Bible says is true.....then all those who rebelled against the biblical truths, you will tremble in fear knowing where that led you! You can continue to pretend that God is not real, that He will not judge you for your "choices" but one day you will have to face the truth and that will be a very sad day! It is my earnest desire that we have a true revival in this country, that people stop being so morally warped and that people stop fighting against God and quit excusing sin as someones choice. History books prove that Jesus was real, that He walked on this earth, scientist have tried to prove the Bible wrong, only to prove it right. I say keep up the bold faith Kirk! We should all be so bold to stand up for the truth! AMEN!
Amen, My motto is: Do you want to be lied to, Or told the truth? Jesus is the truth. Thank you for your post.
These are Kirk Cameron's views based off of his life experiences, religion, and personal convictions. Obviously, if you're not a Christian you're not going to side with Kirk. Kirk's views don't change who or what you are. Why are people so concerned with one man's views. We all have opinions. Opinions are like buttholes; everybody has one. We're not always going to agree 100% on everything. Keep living your life and as Kirk said, live according to your standards. You have that right. This is America. So long as your actions don't interfere with another person's liberties, you can pursue life, liberty, and happiness.
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I apologize for my previous post after reading some people dont believe in the bible, I also apologize for the exisitance of the Sun, The Planet Earth and the Universe and also Human exisitance, I know -silly me Its all an accident- no purpose.
Everyone doesnt have to believe the way I do, But Im glad that im no longer a SLAVE (which my sins and freedom were paid for) My message is not in hate, I want everyone to have the opportuninty to be able to meet their Heavenly Father through his son Jesus. But you have to be obiedient to him and his word. Life is a journey but not a destiantion, there is another life waiting for all of us. I pray that you would ask Jesus to forgive you for your sins and ask him to be your savior.
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little late don't you you think?
I like what Kirk said at the end, which in essence means we are all in need of a Savior (Jesus Christ) who died for all of our sins to give us life eternally. We are all in the same boat, none better, none less, all equal to God.
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Leviticus 18-22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 18-23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Why can't we see the wisdom in these verses. Even if you don't believe in the bible can' you believe in the family. I am not trying to judge any ones lifestyle I just don't understand why we want to change the meaning of marriage after thousands of years. If two men or two women won't to become united let them come up with a new name for that union.
Mr. Morgan. It an interview the comedian, Mr. Black, you said that Kirk Cameron HATED gays. If I recall correctly, not once did he say this! As Christians, we love sinners but hate the SIN. We are not claiming we are perfect, because we sin as well, but we recognize God's forgiveness from that sin and accept him as our Saviour through His blood shed on the cross ... We want to share that with others in a loving way, yet standing firm against sin, because we are commanded to be SEPARATE from the world.
So when-where or how was hate shown... Once again the other side causing big drama over nothing. We live in America wake up it's called free speech but in "HOLLYWOOD" only if it agrees with their free speech otherwise the bullying begins.
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What a creep. He was too Lazy to think about life when he was young, (Just because you don't believe in God, doesn't mean you're an atheist some people were just too lazy and stupid to think about it) When he finally does think about it his personal opinion is for Evangelicalism and now this idiot wants to force his personal opinion on everybody else.
Marriage has been defined by wedding vowes for the last 150 years. If anyone is changing the definition of marriage it these evangelical creeps. American evangelicals are just bad people.
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I thought Piers was Aggressive towards Kirk, You know before you interview someone who Walks the Walk,& Talks the Talk YOU should have educated yourself .the only fool was you. You did it so Beautifully that I prayed that the Blinders be removed from YOUR EYES. God Bless Kirk Cameron for standing on the WORD and not being overcome by the World.
Kirk, I think the problem comes from not reading God's word. Seems as though people want to change His word to fit what they want. Pray, read your Bible and know God's Word! Thank you Kirk for your standing firm on God's Word!
We will see who is right when the
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Kirk expressed freedom of speech and spoke truth. AMEN.
I must say he handle him self very well. I disagree with him, but he did handle himself well.Tania I agree
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Do you remember the blockbuster hit film The Matrix that was released in 1999? You may not know this, but it has deep spiritual implications concerning the times we are living in and Bible prophecy.
It tells a story of how these "agents" are trying to turn us into machines. We are closer then ever before for this to become a reality when they cause us to receive an implantable microchip in our body during a time when physical money will be no more.
You may have seen on NBC news concerning the implantable RFID microchip that some people are getting put in their hand to make purchases, but did you know this microchip matches perfectly with prophecy in the Bible?
"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name...
You also may have heard of the legendary number "666" that people have been speculating for possibly thousands of years on what it actually means. This article shares something I haven't seen before, and I don't think there could be any better explanation for what it means to calculate 666. This is no hoax. Very fascinating stuff!
...Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666" (Revelation 13:16-18 NKJV).
To see all the details showing why the Bible foretold of all these things, check out this article!
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"Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, 'If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name'" (Revelation 14:9-11).
In the Islamic religion they have man called the Mahdi who is known as their messiah of whom they are waiting to take the stage. There are many testimonies from people online who believe this man will be Barack Obama who is to be the biblical Antichrist based off dreams they have received. I myself have had strange dreams about him like no other person. So much so that I decided to share this information.
He came on stage claiming to be a Christian with no affiliation to the Muslim faith...
"In our lives, Michelle and I have been strengthened by our Christian faith. But there have been times where my faith has been questioned - by people who don't know me - or they've said that I adhere to a different religion, as if that were somehow a bad thing," – Barack Obama
...but was later revealed by his own family members that he indeed is a devout Muslim.
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"And He (Jesus) said to them (His disciples), 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven'" (Luke 10:18).
In the Hebrew language we can uncover the meaning behind the name Barack Obama.
Barack, also transliterated as Baraq, in Hebrew is: lightning
baraq – Biblical definition:
From Strongs H1299; lightning; by analogy a gleam; concretely a flashing sword: – bright, glitter (-ing, sword), lightning. (Strongs Hebrew word H1300 baraq baw-rawk')
Barak 'O'bamah, The use of bamah is used to refer to the "heights" of Heaven.
bamah – Biblical definition:
From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation: – height, high place, wave. (Strongs Hebrew word H1116 bamah baw-maw')
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It tells a story of how these "agents" are trying to turn us into machines. We are closer then ever before for this to become a reality when they cause us to receive an implantable microchip in our body during a time when physical money will be no more.
You may have seen on NBC news concerning the implantable RFID microchip that some people are getting put in their hand to make purchases, but did you know this microchip matches perfectly with prophecy in the Bible?
"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name...
You also may have heard of the legendary number "666" that people have been speculating for possibly thousands of years on what it actually means. This article shares something I haven't seen before, and I don't think there could be any better explanation for what it means to calculate 666. This is no hoax. Very fascinating stuff!
...Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666" (Revelation 13:16-18 NKJV).
To see all the details showing why the Bible foretold of all these things, check out this article!
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"Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, 'If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name'" (Revelation 14:9-11).
In the Islamic religion they have man called the Mahdi who is known as their messiah of whom they are waiting to take the stage. There are many testimonies from people online who believe this man will be Barack Obama who is to be the biblical Antichrist based off dreams they have received. I myself have had strange dreams about him like no other person. So much so that I decided to share this information.
He came on stage claiming to be a Christian with no affiliation to the Muslim faith...
"In our lives, Michelle and I have been strengthened by our Christian faith. But there have been times where my faith has been questioned - by people who don't know me - or they've said that I adhere to a different religion, as if that were somehow a bad thing," – Barack Obama
...but was later revealed by his own family members that he indeed is a devout Muslim.
So what's in the name? The meaning of someones name can say a lot about a person. God throughout history has given names to people that have a specific meaning tied to their lives. How about the name Barack Obama? Let us take a look at what may be hiding beneath the surface...
"And He (Jesus) said to them (His disciples), 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven'" (Luke 10:18).
In the Hebrew language we can uncover the meaning behind the name Barack Obama.
Barack, also transliterated as Baraq, in Hebrew is: lightning
baraq – Biblical definition:
From Strongs H1299; lightning; by analogy a gleam; concretely a flashing sword: – bright, glitter (-ing, sword), lightning. (Strongs Hebrew word H1300 baraq baw-rawk')
Barak 'O'bamah, The use of bamah is used to refer to the "heights" of Heaven.
bamah – Biblical definition:
From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation: – height, high place, wave. (Strongs Hebrew word H1116 bamah baw-maw')
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Obama was a U.S. senator for Illinois, and his zip code was 60606.
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"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name...
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...Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666" (Revelation 13:16-18 NKJV).
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In the Islamic religion they have man called the Mahdi who is known as their messiah of whom they are waiting to take the stage. There are many testimonies from people online who believe this man will be Barack Obama who is to be the biblical Antichrist based off dreams they have received. I myself have had strange dreams about him like no other person. So much so that I decided to share this information.
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...but was later revealed by his own family members that he indeed is a devout Muslim.
So what's in the name? The meaning of someones name can say a lot about a person. God throughout history has given names to people that have a specific meaning tied to their lives. How about the name Barack Obama? Let us take a look at what may be hiding beneath the surface...
"And He (Jesus) said to them (His disciples), 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven'" (Luke 10:18).
In the Hebrew language we can uncover the meaning behind the name Barack Obama.
Barack, also transliterated as Baraq, in Hebrew is: lightning
baraq – Biblical definition:
From Strongs H1299; lightning; by analogy a gleam; concretely a flashing sword: – bright, glitter (-ing, sword), lightning. (Strongs Hebrew word H1300 baraq baw-rawk')
Barak 'O'bamah, The use of bamah is used to refer to the "heights" of Heaven.
bamah – Biblical definition:
From an unused root (meaning to be high); an elevation: – height, high place, wave. (Strongs Hebrew word H1116 bamah baw-maw')
The day following the election of Barack Obama (11/04/08), the winning pick 3 lotto numbers in Illinois (Obama's home state) for 11/5/08 were 666.
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การที่จะใช้สเต็ปนี้นั้น เราจะต้องมองห้องหน้าล็อบบี้ก่อนว่าในห้องนั้นๆมีเค้าไพ่ลักษณะแบบใด และก็มีเค้าไพ่ที่มีลักษณะแบบคู่หรือไม่ และจะใช้ได้ตอนไหนที่เค้าไพ่สเต็ปนี้เริ่มเผยตัวออกมา พวกเราจะมายกแบบอย่างกันว่าควรใช้แนวทางนี้ยังไง สเต็ป3-3 ก่อนอื่นเลยคือพินิจที่เค้าไพ่ปัจจุบันว่ามีเค้าไพ่ที่ออกมาเรียงกัน3ไม้ไหม ถ้าหากออกมาในลักษณะนี้ จัดเตรียมวางเครดิตตัดสวนได้เลย ดังเช่น สีแดงออกมาแล้ว3ไม้ ไม้ที่4-6ตัดสวนด้วยอีกฝั่งได้เลย ซึ่งนั่นก็คือ สีน้ำเงิน
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