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Robert Zimmerman on his brothers intentions: "You don't call the police in order to go commit murder"
As the nation remains captivated by the Trayvon Martin case, this evening "Piers Morgan Tonight" welcomed Robert Zimmerman Jr. for a world exclusive.
On Wednesday, Zimmerman Jr.'s brother George was charged with second-degree murder and arrested, and in tonight's heated exchange, Piers Morgan suggested the tragedy is George Zimmerman's fault:
"If he just carried on doing whatever he was doing with his life that night, Trayvon Martin would still be alive," said Morgan. "The only reason Trayvon Martin is dead, is because your brother decided that a young Black teenager in a hoodie looked suspicious and then pursued him."
Wednesday's guest disagreed whole-heartedly:
"Absolutely false Piers. Absolutely – nothing could be further from the truth," argued Zimmerman Jr.
Referencing the infamous 911 tapes, Zimmerman Jr. suggested that by calling the authorities, Zimmerman showed his intentions as a good samaritan:
"What he said was, 'Hi, I'm calling because there have been a significant number of break-ins in my community.' So, he never called to say 'Hi, I'm calling because there's a Black teenager in a hoodie.' And you don't call the police in order to go commit murder. You don't call the police and then kill somebody."
Joining host Piers Morgan via satellite from an undisclosed location, Zimmerman Jr. goes on to paint the picture of his brother as an advocate for a safe neighborhood, and someone aiming to assist law enforcement:
"George's expectation was that the police would shortly be there. And that's it," insisted Zimmerman Jr. "Others have come out and talked about what those suspects have looked like. Maybe that's what made George think that the police should be in the area, so that the police could make the determination if that person was suspicious."
Watch the clip, and listen to the interviews, as Zimmerman Jr. defends his brother, and offers first-hand insight into the events of February 26th.
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Robert has no heart in my opinion. I have watched him twice on Piers and still have not heard him tell the Martins that he is sorry for their lost. His brother is alive. Their son is DEAD. I could respect him if he showed at least SOME remorse for their lost.
WHAT WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO? APOLOGIZE FOR THEIR THUG-GANGSTA WANNA-BE TOUGH GUY SON ASSAULTING HIS BROTHER. GET REAL.
judging travon u racist too
Did you know the young man personally to be labeling him that?? I guess you too are of the absurd OPINION that if one wears a hoodie he's a thug!!! Sounds kinda prejudiced!! Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only loose cannon was Zimmerman. Attempting to vilify Trayvon will not get justice for Zimmerman. It's obvious based on forensics, tapes, and witness testimony why Zimmerman was charged. Trayvon was a model citizen in his short years compared to the violent over zealous Zimmerman.
Zimmerman initially may've had good intentions, but his long pattern of aggressive behavior>>>>> finally got the best of him.
It's out of the public hands and now in the courts, where it should've been weeks ago. Stereotyping will get you nowhere. That's what got Zimmerman in trouble. Just sayin"
Did Trayvon have a criminal or juvenile record? NO. Did George Zimmerman? Yes. Did Trayvon have a gun or knife? NO. Did George Zimmerman? YEA! Robert Zimmerman should apologize that his wanna be cop, vigilante brother with a criminal past murdered an unarmed teenager and then lied about being assault to avoid culpribility.
I take it that you and Travon's brother were there and witnessed the whole thing. Is that a good assumption? All you have here is hearsay. And the other half of the action is DEAD.
Shareef Muhammad, go smoke another bowl.
Treyvon had been suspended for drugs. He had a disciplinary record that showed him as belligerent and out of control.
Ring any bells, or are you so intent on playing out your 'Race card' and 'Black Rage' that you can't see straight anymore?
You know what, it's people like you that have empty souls. It should have nothing to do with what he had on. What if it was your gothic looking son or daughter? You know how y'all white folks do. It's about facts and how he didnt have the authority to harm anyone. Even the police have to follow criminal procedure. THis man has convicted and tried Trayvon before Trayvon even knew what happened to him.....
now that's just silly talk bubba!
Know that people who write "post" like this, are the Zimmerman's of the world. They are worst than the "KKK". They hide among the common folk. At least the KKK wore hoods and you knew who they were and what the stood for. Guys like this are the "Undercover racist" in the society.
Really – if Trayvon would have walked away or even called the police, this would not have happened. But Z was afraid for his neighborhood for all the break-ins and Trayvon came at him rather than backing away and defusing the situation. All he had to say was that his father lived there and told Z where his father lived. But it escalated needlessly and now one young man is dead and another in jail.
ARE YOU RELATED TO THIS GUY?
As a WHITE American living in America, my fear and hatred of BLACK Americans is so paramount, that I must embrace every opportunity to inject my venom of stupidity and ignorance, regarding the reality of RACISM in America. As a coward, I hide anonymously in my home, concealing my face behind my computer, that I may impart my innermost darkness and evil of RACISM upon society. Sometimes when hanging out with the boys...the KKK that is, I feel somewhat empowered as we hide underneath our HOODIES....oops, I mean HOODS. Even while wearing my costume, I still find it hard to escape the cowardly person that I am. What a miserable life I have, never really having understood who I am, or my worth. You see, my parents raise me to believe that I was superior then people of color. But DANG BLASTED @#%...the more I live, the more I realized that people of color are not only my equal, but in most cases, more educated, innovative, talented and skilled than I. Please understand that my ignorance of hate towards people of color was handed down from my parents. Hopefully I will not spend the rest of my life in gross darkness and ignorance. Maybe one day I will face my fears of black people, enabling me to embrace justice for all people, that I may live in peace, harmony and REALITY with all of humanity.
Mybe we should all consider the source. Yes, he is his brother, but media, which is the only place right now I can get my facts and make my own decisions, says that he and his brother have been Estranged for years. So why is he, all of a sudden on TV? Myabe he justs wants his 15 minutes of fame also.
interesting thought...you should let it go...Stating facts that ARE NOT IN EVIDENCE is why you are unable to look at the situation objectively. Understandable how we may prejudge someone because of their appearance but as the saying goes...Don't judge a book by its cover....so should be how we treat people, only after you know whats inside can you or should have an opinion and thus you can claim you have made an informed one...anything short is ignorance.
@ sabrina
Just because this person used adjectives to accurately describe Martin’s appearance, which BTW is reinforced by numerous personal pictures on the internet and his twitter – Facebook account postings (Martin posted those) and; reinforced by movies, that does not make the writer a Racist.
You on the other hand seem quite comfortable with throwing the “race card” into the conversation without hesitation in order to what? How does your one line assault defend or modify perceptions of Martin? The only thing I see your play of the race card is to make the other person so uncomfortable that they stop dialogue; it is designed to shock the other person, call into question their character and deflect the conversation away from the topic. That is just simple BS.
You want dialogue, change and advancement with race relations in this country; you are going to have to face the facts as they are currently understood, allow others to speak their minds/beliefs without hostile reaction and develop a better counter dialogue than to call someone a racist.
I agree with you 100%.. There was one victim in this case.
I AGREE too! Now to answer the question of why he called 911? Anyone think maybe it was for his protection so he could shoot him? He was advised NOT to go after him and the kid had NO weapons. He took it upon himself to be the "cop" of the day and SHOOT the kid. NO remorse, just his claim of "self defense". Self defense against a bag of skittles and iced tea? GMAFB. The kid never went after him...it was the other way around! Whether he goes to jail or not, he is still guilty of murder.
2 victims, one deserving and one not.
Robert believes his brothers version of what occurred so he must be angry that the Trayvon family had painted his brother like a crazy racist who killed there son just because he's black. Than you have the black activists, the media crying racism and rallying people and misinforming the American people. Painting an ugly picture of Zimmerman and finding him guilty of a hate crime without knowing all the facts. Black activists giving out the supposed address of Zimmerman for what to say hello...no it was so that crazy lunatics can go and kill him. Its disgusting how the media doesn't address and question these black activists they always get away with everything. They never receive a backlash which frankly I think we should show all racist of ALL colors that their actions are unacceptable but lets face it people don't want to say anything against these black activists because they don't want to be labelled a racist but these black activist which I believe many are racists themselves need to be held accountable for their actions as well. One thing is to fight against the system in not doing its job properly and fighting against injustice but don't go on television, twitter etc. Call someone a racist, a cold blooded killer who only killed someone because of the color of their skin, hammer into us an old image of a young Trayvon, when we know the guy is over 6 feet tall and was a football player. (They say it was dark, raining, and Trayvon had a hoodie how is Zimmerman supposed to know he's 17 years old Frankly I don't care what race you are but if your over 6 feet tall, its dark outside and your wearing a hoodie its safe to say that most people would be scared and I think it has to do with not being able to see the face the unkown) It is irresponsible that the black activists and the media try to convince us that Zimmerman is evil and was out for blood without knowing ALL the FACTS.......I bet you that if Zimmermans version is the truth the media and black activists will drop this story and quickly move on to the next story. They won't apologize for ruining his life which they already did without knowing the FACTS. The media and black activists need to be held accountable there needs to be a major backlash against them. They should never have made this into a race issue, they should never have painted Zimmerman as a cold blooded killer, they should never ever be one-sided because nobody knows the FACTS. The black activist / media should have made this about the police and why they didn't make an arrest and if race was race a factor in no arrest being made that would have been the responsible thing to do the right thing to do ethically morally. Now even if Zimmerman is innocent the media/black activists have already made him into a monster and ruined his life forever I wonder if he is even going to get a fair trial it seems like the media/black activists have already sealed his fate the courts, police may now go against him in fear of an uproar etc (its not the first time an innocent man goes to jail.) I blame the black activists and the media for all of this mess for being irresponsible its disgusting to see how the media doesn't care about being responsible all they care about is being followers to popular opinions and looking like they care which they don't because if they did they would ACT professional, responsible after all we are dealing with real people this not not make believe Hollywood.
Thank you, Alec, for sharing your thoughts. You make several great points.
U hav some good points and some that i dont understand. I am a former police officer and im a black male. I wanna ask u question? If zimmerman was so afraid of this big black guy why did he pursue after beening instructed by law enf. Not to. Instead he pursued trayvon and ended up killing him for no apparent reason. If he wanted to do the. Right thing he should have waited for the cops and just kept a visual on him til they took over, but no he confronted trayvon without any cause accept for the fact that he was tall black and wearing a hoodie. So u might just wanna think about that before u go bashing black activist cause they and 90%of the world know george zimmerman is a coldblooded killer
If George went after a cop in 2005 with a gun why would he be scared of someone who's not armed. I know the charges were dropped but the fact remains in 2005 he assaulted a cop. He has no respect of authority or anyone else.
You speak of FACTS, that we don't know them. But apparently you do?
How do we even know what Trayvon was doing? Maybe he was there to rob? Maybe he confronted Zimmerman? Just because his parent paint him as this loving law abiding kid doesn't mean that what was going on. I love how we all think we know the facts from listening to the media - yeah the media...the same people who used old photographs to support thier view! WAKE UP!!!! We know nothing, yet always quick to make judgment calls. Get real people. What if Zimmerman shot in self defense? Were you there? NO! Give the guy a chance to prove his side. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY....not the other way around.
Cecil: If that is how your mind works then I am thankful you are no longer a police officer. Were you fired for rushing to judgements? There is no evidence that Zimmerman confronted Martin. There is no evidence that he continued to follow Martin after the 911 call. He was not instructed not to follow, he was told it was not necessary. You have jumped the gun on a lot of issues here. Perhaps these things happened and perhaps they didn't. I wasn't there and neither were you. You say he should have just kept an eye on Trayvon and I believe that is all the evidence shows, that he was trying to follow him until the police arrived, and it doesn't even show that he did that after the 911 call ended.
WAKEUP, you're absolutely right. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. However, Trayvon is the one that was innocent unitl proven guilty. Until the facts come out and prove otherwise, he is the victim. He is the one that is dead.
I wholehearted agree... from Canada
You make a very good point about the police. They should have reported immediately that they believe Zimmerman was assaulted and they had strong evidence showing this. Instead, they hid like little girls and the mob grew angrier and angrier and all those racial opportunists saw this as a way to get on TV once again. They had to keep making more and more outlandish statements so they could get airtime over the other racial opportunists. The police could have defused much of this.
All great points but the bottomline once the dispatcher asked if he was following him and Zim said yes and then the dispatcher said "we do not need you to do that" if Zim was still concerned for the neighborhood he could stayed in his locked car and just waited for the cops to arrive ... end of story and the kid would be alive and Zim's character wouldn't be in question.
You blame the media and black activists, because you are irresponsible yourself.
There is only one person responsible for killing Trayvon Martin. That person is George Zimmerman, the same guy who in the past has skated for beating a woman and assaulting a police officer while resisting an arrest.
It's about time he is forced to take responsibility for his action.
You make some valid points. However, you never once in making your points acknowledged that a mother and a father has lost a child because he simply went to the store. Now you tell me, if a complete stanger accost you, you wont try to defend yourself? Things are replaceble, a life is not. I'm so tried of people talking about Zimmerman's life is ruiend, at least he has a life, Trayvon does not. Blame the media, blame the black activist, no, lets place the blame on the person that decided to kill and take another life. If he is innocent then the judicial system will decide.
Have to agree about black activists/media. When was the last time you heard Sharpton and Jackson crusading against black on black crime. Stats show that overwhelming majority of blacks killed in this country are killed by other blacks. If they would campaign to have black parents take responsibility for raising their kids, being good role models and decrying any form of violence I would take them seriously. The parents should teach their kids that dressing and talking like gangster rappers only reinforces negative stereotypes and makes them vulnerable to violence. As a black man in this country I try to teach my kids to lift themselves out of stereotypes and dress/behave like they deserve respect. Unfortunately reality is that everyone, not just black people, are judged by how they dress/behave. Does anyone expect to be hired for a responsible joib dressed in old jeans and a dirty shirt?
There is evidence that Zimmerman continued to pursue Martin. Martin was killed some 100 -150 yards away from where the 911 call was made. Check the Google map records and records of the witnesses. Some of them are listed in the phone book with their addresses. No way Zimmerman could have not pursued him. He was in a truck remember. You can follow people while in a truck. Its safer that walking in the dark right?
Alex: I guess Zimmerman doesn't have to be held accountable for his actions? Your post is pathetic but so real of how whites view blacks – that we must be up to something no good. I work everyday, as I have since the age of 13, went to college, pay my taxes and have never missed a vote. I also have a son that is 15 years of age, that wears a hoodie to school everyday. He is on the honor roll, does not do drugs, smoke, has a deep voice and is tall – he is still a child! If my son had been killed by Zimmerman or anyone like him for walking in his neighborhood, I would have the same reaction and hatred for the man that killed my child! Let's reverse the roles, Martin killed Zimmerman – would you not expect justice and want to see Martin arrested?
Trayvon Martin was murdered 70 yards from his home. Trayvon Martin was closer to his home than George Zimmerman was to his own home. George Zimmerman actively pursued Trayvon Martin, and was told by the police that it wasn't necessary to do so. To tell the truth, if someone was actively pursuing me at night I would not be pleased. Perhaps Trayvon was concerned there was a criminal in his neighborhood who was stalking people at night, and questioned Zimmerman. We will never know, because Trayvon will never be able to tell his side of the story. Trayvon's undertaker examined the body and has stated that Trayvon had no injuries to his knuckles which would have been present if he had broken Zimmerman's nose. The special prosecutor apparently feels she has enough evidence to convict for second degree murder, not manslaughter. Its time people stopped defending this murderer in the media.
Cecil you said he should have only kept a visual on him if he indeed was following him which we don't know yet as fact what do you think that is keeping a visual on him to see what he is up to I thank the lucky stars you're not a cop anymore. I thought cops were supposed to be all about facts and not rush to judgment I guess your one of those cops that give other cops a bad name. You also said he confronted wow now your psychic too ....
allenb ............ the special prosecutor did it because she knows very well the riots etc that would occur if she didn't not necessarily because she feels he is guilty or that there is enough evidence. Maybe she wants to let the courts deal with it and let it be played out in public so that people are satisfied and so that the truth comes out for all to see
If your child was killed, and authorities are telling you that his killer will face no charges, it doesn't matter what race, you as a parent, will talk to anyone who can get the results in getting your child's killer arrested. It's not a race thing, its simply a parent seeking justice for her dead child. Let's not forget, when Natalie Holloway's mother was begging for answers, no one questioned why she was seeking the truth, people just saw a grieving mother. Why is this any different?
something doesn't add up it was dark, raining, he had a hoodie on he's over 6 feet tall was a football player I can't imagine a man would attack him. Zimmerman had a gun but if his intention was to kill him he would have just shot him why would he call the police how is he supposed to know he’s an unarmed 17 year old. Frankly with his height alone I don’t think someone would attack him first. If its true Zimmerman followed him from a distance just to see where he was headed is that a crime if hypothetically Trayvon turned out to be a burglar and not headed to his fathers girlfriends house which Zimmerman wouldn’t know anyway Then people would see Zimmerman as a guy trying to help his community he would be a hero Why do people assume he wanted to kill someone just because he carried a gun Hello this is USA a country that is pro gun its funny how when something happens people cry over guns but you also don’t want to change the laws concerning the right to bare arms
None of this is relevant. Weight is every bit as much a deciding factor in an altercation as can be height which is why professional bouts have weight not height divisions. But the main point is that Zimmerman was a civilian in civilian clothes with no apparent reason to Trayvon to be following him. If I am minding my own business and am walking to where ever I am going and see a stranger following me, let rephrase, PURSUING ME, I am the one who has a valid reason to assume to my life is being threatened. Not the pursuer. All he has to do is stop pursuing. Your hypothesis that if Trayvon Martin were in fact a burgler we would be celebrating him is grasping for straws. The fact is Trayvon wasn't a burglar. And when that was apparent he should have left him alone. What are supposed to do follow everyone around for the rest of their lives to see if they break into somebody's house. George Zimmerman was wrong and this isn't going away.
As a WHITE American living in America, my fear and hatred of BLACK Americans is so paramount, that I must embrace every opportunity to inject my venom of stupidity and ignorance, regarding the reality of RACISM in America. As a coward, I hide anonymously in my home, concealing my face behind my computer, that I may impart my innermost darkness and evil of RACISM upon society. Sometimes when hanging out with the boys...the KKK that is, I feel somewhat empowered as we hide underneath our HOODIES....oops, I mean HOODS. Even while wearing my costume, I still find it hard to escape the cowardly person that I am. What a miserable life I have, never really having understood who I am, or my worth. You see, my parents raise me to believe that I was superior then people of color. But DANG BLASTED @#%...the more I live, the more I realized that people of color are not only my equal, but in most cases, more educated, innovative, talented and skilled than I. Please understand that my ignorance of hate towards people of color was handed down from my parents. Hopefully I will not spend the rest of my life in gross darkness and ignorance. Maybe one day I will face my fears of black people, enabling me to embrace justice for all people, that I may live in peace, harmony and REALITY with all of humanity.
Bottom line, Trayvon dead, good riddance, what happens to Zimmerman happens. Hope he has a good lawyer, I don't see calling the cops and then running over and shooting someone. Trayvon did something and that is what is missing.
FIRST OF ALL MR. ZIMMERMAN WAS A SELF APPOINTED NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH. THE NATIONAL OFFICE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH SAID HE WASN'T A VOLUNTEER FOR THEM. HOW DO YOU ATTACK SOMEONE IF YOUR ON YOUR CELL PHONE TALKING AND WALKING TELLING THE PERSON YOUR TALKING TOO THAT SOMEONE IS FOLLOWING YOU. WHAT MADE MR. ZIMMERMAN THINK TRAYVON WAS ACTING LIKE HE WAS ON DRUGS OR EVEN SUSPIOUS IN THE FRIST PLACE. IF HE LIVES IN THIS GATED COMMUNITY WHY DID HE NEED TO GET OUT OF HIS VEHICLE TO SEE WHAT THE STREET SIGN WAS? I KNOW ALL THE STREET IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING ONLY LIVED HERE 1 YEAR. WHY DO YOU CARRY A GUN GOING TO THE STORE UNLESS YOUR LOOKING FOR TROUBLE. SO IN FLORDIA THAT'S THE NORM STRAP UP BEFORE YOU GO OUT. THIS WHOLE STORY STINKS TO HIGH HEAVENS AND REGARDLESS OF HIS PAST (TRAYVON) HE DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE FOR WALKING IN THE RAIN WITH A DAMN HOODIE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look I'm a black female and I agree with you... I don't think Zimmerman was in the mind to kill that night. But, I do believe that his actions went beyond night patrol for the neighborhood watch, and he has to be held accountable for that. He should have never followed – pursued the man, guy or teenager in the hoodie.... My question is, why is there such a big commotion about the hoodie – the weather was called for a hoodie – it was raining – what teenager you know carry around an umbrella? let along wear a jacket or coat in the cold weather... I think Zimmerman needs to come clean and admit where his forseen actions was a very big factor in the end results.
I have been watching the coverage since the first moment of the Trayvon Martin shooting. Your interview with Robert Zimmerman was great! I liked the way you conducted yourself and tried to ellicit truthful, honest answers from him. Although Mr. Zimmerman spoke very well, I couldn't help seeing him, as I think you did, as a master of evasion and double talk. Each question you asked him was answered with dramatic double talk. You tried and tried to get clear, concise answers from him but to no avail. All in all, I think you are a fine interviewer and I totally felt your frustration. Please don't stop! And by the way, if Mr. Robert Zimmerman said one more time that he and his brother were suffering, I thought I would scream. What about Trayvon? He lost his life because of a cop wannabe who decide he was the law! My heart goes out to the Martin family who lost a son. They are the ones who will suffer forever.
If Trayvon was not attacking people in the dark, he would still be alive, why call cops then shoot someone?
I wholeheartedly agree with you Luci. I appreciate Piers Morgan's vigorous questioning this time around. I thought his first interview with Robert Zimmerman was too light, but last night Piers made up for it by constantly confronting him with questions only logical non-biased people have about what happened that night. Robert Zimmerman is a master manipulator, a trait that I believe runs strong with this family.....with is dramatic descriptions of what happened, with statements such as "my brother fighting for his last breath," and one more hit on the ground and his brother would have been a vegetable who would need to be fed by Robert for the rest of his life. Then 10 minutes after the fight that nearly took his life, George Zimmerman is walking around like nothing happened.
The one thing Piers didn't mention and thus, ask about, was Geroge Zimmerman's broken nose that Robert said in his last interview was STILL broken as of that day of his interview....just a couple of weeks ago. Well in the mugshot taken just yesterday, George Zimmerman doesn't look like his nose was STILL broken. I would have loved to hear Robert's answer to that. But it probably would have been some other manipulative answer like, well it healed just last week. LOL I frankly don't need to hear from Robert Zimmerman any more. He is clearly a nut case that speaks well....a shady character that will "have an answer for everything."
Mike2bet - if your brother or sister was Zimmerman - I'm sure you'd be on the defensive right now, especially if you believed that your brother or sister was innocent, and he/she was being LYNCHED by the media and threatened by radical lunatics out there. Trayvon is dead - Zimmerman's now being killed. PUT YOURSELF into BOTH parties' shoes!! Stop treating this like "American idol" and choosing a 'winning/favorite" player in this "story."
sounds like you've already chosen sides yourself. I just want all the information in a case of murder to be judged in a court of law and up until today that wasn't happening. Now, because of all the news coverage, like it or not it's free press and serves the public to have it, the case will go through a process other than a few men who decided to let a murderer go home a few hours after he admitted to killing somebody.
mik2bet
Posted this before, I hit a dog – had to in order to avoid a wreck or kill myself. I was sick to my stomach that I hit that dog and it died. Have you ever had that occur? So if we can kill an animal unintentionally and feel regret, how much more so if it is a human being. So you can pause and say "I am sorry" very easily. If my son kills someone unintentionally, I would tell the family that I believe my son is innocence but at the same time I am very sorry for your lost and I hope you can accept my sincere expression. If the family rejects, I would have done my part.
You're not reading the transcript or listening to the same show as I then. I have read and heard R. Zimmerman offer sympathy that the kid died. If you seriously think he is going to apologize for the death, then you are a delusional individual. Why would he do such a thing and cast a pale over his brother’s innocence by such a statement and if you don’t think that the Martin family or supporters would not pounce on that as a “family admission of guilt” then you truly are delusional or at best naive of the way of the world we live in.
You can learn a bunch about a person from their Twitter and Facebook pages!!!
Robert Zimmerman is such a dumb liar.
The Zimmerman parents should be ASHAMED that they raised such fools with lack of good morals .
Martin is not dead because Zimmerman reported him to the police, and possibly tried to keep him in view. He is dead because he apparently assaulted Zimmerman, and wouldn't get off him. Why is this so hard for idiots like Piers and others to understand?
The hoodie is irreleavant. The race is irrelevant, except that it meant he resembled other burglary suspects. He was reported because he was a non-resident, walking around randomly in Zimmerman's neighborhood.
People have the right to watch their neighborhoods, and report outsiders. People have the right to defend themselves from assaults. Pansies like Piers who don't like it can go back to Europe.
(If my brother was being unfairly targeted and vilified after an unprovoked assault, I wouldn't have much sympathy, either. It's sad Martin apparently got himself killed, but that's why you don't start fights with people.)
J.B .- Zimmerman had no way of knowing he was a 'non-resident' and in fact, he was staying in that housing development as a guest. so that argument is ludicrous. And I agree with others here, that if someone starts following ME, than I'm the one that's scared! Zimmerman may have had good intentions but from what the girlfriend heard over the cell phone and the 911 calls, it seems clear that Zimmerman was pursuing the teen and at some point caught up to him and asked him what he was doing around 'here'. And yes, if the kid had kept his wits and answered politely that he was staying at such and such address with his dad and his girlfriend, than maybe the tragedy would have been avoided. but again, Zimmerman is just a guy in normal clothes, the kid was probably scared at being followed. Maybe Zimmerman flashed his gun to try to intimidate him and the kid paniced. But I do not believe that the kid turned around , sought him out and attacked him, I believe he probably tried to hurry 'along' and get back home, as any of the rest of us would do if we thought someone was following us. I think Zimmerman just got over-zealous in his desire to 'catch a criminal' and it all went horribly wrong. Jury will decide.
Exactly. I'm not sure if he even knew if Travon was black or white due to the fact he had a hoodie on. I don't remember reading it anywhere.
What should he feel after having his brother vilified by the press and life threatened by Black Panthers, yea I would be saying sorry sure.
I agree, with you mik2bet. And I can't stand his smirking and condescension towards Morgan. Robert Zimmerman thinks he's so slick, when in fact, he's just proving himself to be an heartless prik.
Zimmerman Jr. does not have to apologize for anything. He did nothing wrong. It was his brother that shot Trayvon. It would have been nice for him to offer his condolences. People are trying to jump into the spotlight and seek fame and fortune from this. Let's not forget how many lifes this has effected on both sides.
Until all the facts are presented I'm not sure anyone really needs to apologize....Maybe "I'm sorry your son attacked me and I had to kill him to save my own life".
@yoshi... by George's account and the tapes, Trayvon didn't walk away. He RAN away. again, by George's account and the tapes, he PURSUED and CONFRONTED. no one is denying those facts. now, based on these facts, restart your argument...
if they aquit him the blacks will burn and loot the city.
Ilive in sanford so when that happens we open upa can of whupa$$ because we are a little of sick of
blacks whining
Yes, I thought the first words out of Robert's mouth would be some heart felt sorrow for the Martin family. Another thought was, I wasn't under fire from Peirs Morgan. He can be a very tough interviewer. I would be dizzy after his interview.
Would somebody explain why Peirs Morgan states forcefully as fact that Zimmerman continued to pursue Martin after being told by the 911 operator he didn't need to do that. Zimmerman acknowledged with an o.k. Peirs Morgan wasn't there how would he know as fact that Zimmernman continued to persue Martin? Seems to me who comfront who first is one of the biggest unanswerable questions.
Yoshi= Trayvon did not owe Zimmerman any excuse to why he was there or what he was doing. If someone started following you around I bet you sure as heck would be like... "Why the hell is this person stalking me". MOST people get angry if they feel they are being followed. We have a right to be free and not be harassed regardless of the break ins or whatever else. Zimmerman was the adult. Report, watch from a safe distance, and do not pursue. They teach that to almost all security through out the U.S. Someone should have trained Zimmerman on the right thing to do as a neighborhood watch agent.
Apologize to the Martins for their LOSS???? Their loss may very well have been because THEY didn't raise their son right. Their loss may very well be because they instilled no sense of discipline in their son, and this lack of discipline may have made their son feel like he could assault another person who posed no physical threat.
Placing George Zimmerman's brother on live television, and asking him questions NO ONE but George Zimmerman could answer is not logical reporting. Stating opinions (such as George Zimmerman was completely uninjured after the altercation) as facts is unethical, and misleading. I want justice to prevail just as much as anyone in this country, but lets not drag the Zimmerman family through the mud until we know all the facts. If this case goes on to trial, and proves that George Zimmerman cold-bloodedly murdered Travon Martin, we then as a nation have a right to treat him as a convicted killer. Until then, try to think about what you would be capable of if you were out in George Zimmerman's situation (assuming what he says is true). As a private citizen, one cannot assume they know all the facts of a case until a case is brought to trial. Thats the awesome thing about the USA! Unitl then, we need to think with an open mind; Not with a closed, media-believing, ignorantly based opinion.
y thoughts go out to Travon's family as well. If George is guilty of what America is blindly accusing him of, he needs to be put away for a very long time
Piers was so frustrating to me, interrogating the brother. I feel sad for brother and Zimmerman. IF he was acting in self-defense, and we do not know yet..he is being so beat up by the press and the likes of Piers Morgan. What happened to innocent until proven guilty. At least Larry King gave each person respect. Piers actually berates anyone he doesn't agree with or who he feels is not telling the truth. Poor brother, he got the crab beat out of him, but held his own!
the brother wasn't dragged on to do the show and if he didn't like how he was treated the first time he sure didn't have to come back the second. He didn't deal with the questions in a straight forward way so any interviewer smelling evasive answers is going to keep coming back to try and find out what's being covered up. Piers did a fine job and brother zimmerman is casting more doubts on the story than clearing up a thing. Just my opinion but based on knowing how liars work even it is to protect his brother frorm answering for his own actions.
How presumptuous to attack George Zimmerman's brother as if you (and everyone else!) know the TRUTH!!! Why can't you and everyone else just let the facts emerge as they will??? NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH YET!!! Too many rushes to judgement!
they were questions. and when an interviewer and his audience knows they aren't getting a clear answer or somebody is denying something that is plain and clear, i.e., zimmerman being told on the recording not to follow Trayvon and yet he does anyway, some of us want to know why he did that and how he can claim self defense if zimmerman is chasing the person he says he was attacked by. That's insane and if you don't want the answer to that question it would make sense why you thought Piers wasn't being "nice". Sorry, but that's how true is determined by police, attorneys, juries and inquiring minds seeking the facts. Good job Piers and btw, the brother didn't have to come back for a second interview if he felt he wasn't being treated fairly the first time, right?
they were questions. and when an interviewer and his audience knows they aren't getting a clear answer or somebody is denying something that is plain and clear, i.e., zimmerman being told on the recording not to follow Trayvon and yet he does anyway, some of us want to know why he did that and how he can claim self defense if zimmerman is chasing the person he says he was attacked by. That's insane and if you don't want the answer to that question it would make sense why you thought Piers wasn't being "nice". Sorry, but that's how true is determined by police, attorneys, juries and inquiring minds seeking the facts. Good job Piers and btw, the brother didn't have to come back.
"zimmerman being told on the recording not to follow Trayvon and yet he does anyway"
This is NOT a fact. It MAY be true, but since I was not there, and YOU were not there, we don't know this for sure.
Are you really that ignorant...Just imagine your kid in the scenario...I guarantee your thoughts would be different.
By the way, are you related to this guy below?
As a WHITE American living in America, my fear and hatred of BLACK Americans is so paramount, that I must embrace every opportunity to inject my venom of stupidity and ignorance, regarding the reality of RACISM in America. As a coward, I hide anonymously in my home, concealing my face behind my computer, that I may impart my innermost darkness and evil of RACISM upon society. Sometimes when hanging out with the boys...the KKK that is, I feel somewhat empowered as we hide underneath our HOODIES....oops, I mean HOODS. Even while wearing my costume, I still find it hard to escape the cowardly person that I am. What a miserable life I have, never really having understood who I am, or my worth. You see, my parents raise me to believe that I was superior then people of color. But DANG BLASTED @#%...the more I live, the more I realized that people of color are not only my equal, but in most cases, more educated, innovative, talented and skilled than I. Please understand that my ignorance of hate towards people of color was handed down from my parents. Hopefully I will not spend the rest of my life in gross darkness and ignorance. Maybe one day I will face my fears of black people, enabling me to embrace justice for all people, that I may live in peace, harmony and REALITY with all of humanity.
Obviously your not black... your ignorance speaks volumes of your experience.
Are you saying that only black people can know the truth?
Obviously you are Black since you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"
Oh, because he's black, that means the truth about what happened isn't supposed to come out? And if you believe everyone should sit back and relax until the facts come out... mean you're uneducated or a bigot. Nice.
The Zimmerman family is dragging THEMSELVES through the mud. Don't blame the media for Robert's blatant stupidity.
Good comment, we need to wait for the ALL the CORRECT facts.
Fact Mr. Zimmerman did not call 911 that night.
He called a non-emergency number. Top of page 2 on attached:
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf
TiminCA...I READ THE STATEMENT AT THE LINK YOU POSTED......the letter says "zimmerman's CALL was a "non-emergency. IN OTHER WORDS...Zimmerman has made MANY calls to 911 THAT WERE NOT EMERGENCIES.
@Facts Please - The fact is Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman shot and killed him. This is not in dispute. George Zimmerman is responsible for taking a life. What is in question is why this young man is dead and what surrounded his shooting. The family of Trayvon Martin has steadfastly sought is justice in the form of an arrest of the person responsible for his death so that the justice system could determine culpability in that shooting. Finally after weeks of talking heads and conjecture it appears that two attorneys (Ms. Corey and Mr. OMara) are seeking that justice.
While the fact is that George Zimmerman is responsible for taking Trayvon Martin's life, what needs to be determined is whether or not that act was criminal. I am encouraged that the two attorneys now involved seem more concerned with preserving the wheels of justice – for all concerned in this tragedy.
Thank you!
Well put.... Thank you!!! Finally a voice of reason. Let the FACTS play out first then let the court pass judgement.
Great job on the interview with Robert Zimmerman. You gave him no wiggle-room, yet acknowledged his posotion in defence of his brother. I pray cooler heads prevail and that the courts fulfill their responsibility. It's so sad that whatever the outcome, that poor young boy cannot be brought back to life. I hope people pause to think about the dangers of carrying firearms whether they are licensed to do so or not.
Something tells me the defense is squirming right about now and wishing this guy would 'shut-up'. Listening to these interviews sounds to me like Robert is digging a bigger hole for his brother. He is trying to sound all 'educated' and 'professional' but at the same time he contradicts himself on several accounts.
Unfortunate for the Zimmerman family but ALL of his statements sound rather self-centered with no real remorse for the Martin family.
Sad situation all around.
This whole story has stunk from the beginning. Ultimately, the mistake George made was leaving his house with a loaded firearm and the intention of 'playing cop'. Had he not had that firearm in his possession, this whole situation would not have happened. Like the rest of us civilians, he should have just called the police and let the POLICE, do their job. Now this 'wannabe' cop must pay the price.
Robert Zimmerman revealed that he sees in black people the omnipresent threat of violence.
When Piers Morgan asked him what he had to say to Trayvon's parents, he basically told them not to provoke violence when his brother is acquitted.
That is, all he can see in black people is the threat of violence.
If this is the mindset of the Zimmerman family, it should be no surprise that George has been charged with second degree murder of a defenseless black youth.
Robert Zimmerman is a racist, completely lacking in empathy for Trayvon's family.
He probably has no idea how he is turning public opinion against his brother because like his brother he lives in the Fox News echo chamber
This is ridiculous! Have a little common sense and stop assuming you know the truth! It's the popular stance to take, but a stance that can't be justified! The facts AREN'T all in!!! I don't buy that "justice" is all that's being sought. TV reporting is the great manipulator. I was watching "Nancy Grace" when the first reports came in of the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. The first report mentioned that Zimmerman had seen a young black man peering into windows of a house in the neighborhood from the SIDE yard! Nancy Grace picked up on the youth of the man and the racial implications. Almost immediately, she spoke as if she knew all the facts and blamed Zimmerman for being a racist and a vigilante! Every other moderator on the same network (HLN) followed suit! There was never another mention of the looking into windows or mention of the fact that this "boy" was six foot one and 170 lbs,! Pictures of Trayvon looking as if he were 14 or even younger were paraded over the network and it was immediately treated as if he was a guiltless little boy (little black boy!). I don't believe Ziummerman was cold hearted and I do believe that the gun was shot as a result of being attacked by Trayvon>
There was never another mention, because it was an non-sourced LIE.
Take a listen to the 32 minutes of unedited 911 tapes! Zimmerman NEVER described Trayvon Martin as skulking and checking out windows. He was walking with a hoodie in the rain, as he described.
You are presuming you know the facts, when all you are doing is demonstrating your prejudice.
The facts are there, that is, if you are even willing to look at them!
I totally agree. My husband was shot and murdered by our neighbor a year ago next month and within an hour the media was all over it but had the story so screwed up. So we need to be careful of what is printed and telecast.
Maybe he was feeling that because the Black Panthers put a bounty on his head? Ya think?
O'Mara seems like a decent guy. He should drop the Zimmerman family and let George rely on the public defender that we provide to make sure that no one goes to jail without a fair trial.
Haven't you heard that Mr. O'Mara is more than a decent person; he's a highly respected attorney. A court-appointed attorney is always inferior to one that's personally hired by the defendant.
Piers did a great job with the interview with Robert Zimmerman tonight. He was strong and on top of the facts. When Piers asked what he might liked to say to Trayvon's parents he said he would tell them to respect the system and basiclly not start trouble etc. I was rather surprised that he would not offer condolences at least to them. Boy, is this going to be ugly. Lies and twisting of facts seem to be par for the course here. Bless Trayvon's parents ,siblings, and family.I am sure a lot of people are praying for them.
And I'm praying that my family will carry guns to protect themselves
Pierc, you are missing the point. One can walk around after being assaulted. THat is not the problem here. Problem, is why was his brother attacked in a first place. When it is known fact that he was following Trevon. IT is recorded on 911 call. I believe what happen here is Trevon tried to run away from Zimmerman since he was following him, Trevon decided to confront zimmerman because he thaout he was under threat by being followed. What does lot of break ins in the past has to do with Trevon walking down the street.
Piers Morgan, this interview should be on rediculousness. He clearly doesn't have an open mind on what happened. Horrible, bullying, rediculous interview. Get a new job piers.
Pierce, GO BACK TO ENGLAND.
Zimmerman's brother should stay out of the media, he is making me sick,he is making an ass out of himself with facts that his wanna be police brother and his attack on Trayvon. Its a pile of bull, Zimmerman is a wanna be and he killed a young boy when told do not follow him...He called the police, a non emergency number as part of his cover up to shot this young man.iIt is a shame that the Martin Family has had to wait this long for an arrest. He shot Martin. Martin is DIED.....Zimmerman is where he needs to be.. His brother is the big PR push of the family, and he is a complete bs'er, who has watched to many law and order shows.
Martin is DIED????? Who's making an ass out of themselves? Duh
Margie, "Martin is DIED"! Don't you mean he is dead or has died? I saw that one other person wrote the same phrase. Is this some newly created phrase? Also, like so many others, you need to stop, take a deep breath, and wait 'til all the facts come out. The Martin's have not had to wait longer than anyone else would have had to to see Zimmerman arrested. The Special Justice said that on TV just today! Stop imagining victims when the facts don't support it!
Jean. before you arrogantly correct the grammar in another's post, it would be well for you to be sure yours is above reproach. Your reply to Margie contained at least two errors: the Martin's, as you wrote it, is the possessive, not the needed plural form. In addition. 'tip is not accepted standard English usage.
Point well taken about "Martins'". Don't understand what you're trying to say about 'tip' in the last sentence. That word never appears in what I wrote. I only commented on "he is DIED" because it makes no sense, not simply a matter of incorrect grammar.
Jean, I meant 'til -damn autocorrect. It just wrote "tip" again.
Sentence fragments are not sentences!
to counter margie's biased and thoughtless opinion - i'll just say, Trayvon was suspended many times from school for drugs... he ain't so innocent. Additionally, he was a big guy 6'3 and played football. He should have just gone home like his girlfriend told him to do, instead of being a badass.
Since when did being a "badass" give you the right to shoot or attack someone? Zimmerman is not a police officer and being a Neighborhood Watchman does not give you permission to pursue someone that may match the description of a suspected neighborhood thief. Being a Neighborhood Watchman/woman gives you the right to inform the authorities not become the authorities. By all accounts, it was Zimmerman being the "badass" not Martin.
Pierce, now you got it. Well done. Right way to put it. What gives Zimmerman authority to relate past crimes to Tevon, just because he is black men. Trevon had the choice. And he was exercises his choice of walking back home, until Zimmerman decided to peruse him despite advise from 911 operator. ONLY FACTS ARE here that he was black
As to the screaming on the phone, it sounds like someone is in pain. The only evidence of pain is the marks on Zimmerman. I hope they did an autopsy on martin before they buried him. Otherwise I think Zimmerman has to walk. The media is definitely bias on this one, sowing pictures of a 12 year old kid when he really was 18 inches taller. CNN isn't the only one like this. The sad thing is that this type of reporting makes the media haters look better.
Thank you, Frank! I've never seen the news to be so slanted (not even in the Casey Anthony case)! She gave the world a lot to question about her, much more than George Zimmerman ever has! Is it the warm-fuzzy feeling that people are getting from joining together (blacks, whites, latinos) valued more than searching for the truth? I think people are also intimidated by the demonstrations and uproar shown by the blacks and their leaders.
What injuries to Mr Zimmerman's head? Had there been evidence of the broken nose and head injury severe enough to cause loss of consciousness, as claimed by Robert, the EMTs would have taken him to a hospital for tests & evaluation; however, within 35 minutes of the arrival of the police on the scene, George was videoed walking into the police station. There was no blood on his clothing- odd because even minor head wounds bleed profusely.
SO you're saying that one should lose consciousness prior to defending themselves ? You're a grammar cop.. not a critical thinker. Stick with that.
Zimmerman's brother is nuts if he believes the words that are coming out of his mouth! His brother is supposedly being beaten to almost death, has his mouth covered up, and amazingly he is able to scream out for help a few times before the gun is shot! Lies, lies, lies! He hunted down a young black boy in cold blood. I hope he gets life in prison.
It seems that brother Robert is seeking his 15 mins of fame, despite the harm his remarks seem to be doing to his brother's image. I understand that yge two brothers had been estranged for quite some time prior to the shooting.
That explains a lot. Every time this guy opens his mouth I think to myself: God, he's not helping his brother at all.
George Zimmerman
should never have gotten out of his car
was not on his way back to the car, given the location of the murder
was intent on net letting another alleged hoodlum get away
confronted Trayvon without identifying himself as a neighborhood watchman
had already lied to Trayon when he told him from his car that he was not following him
did not suffer massive head injuries that would justify taking a life (the brother no longer talks about traumatic head
injuries but has switched to a dubious charge of suffocation)
It's rather unbelievable that anyone thinks only manslaughter charges should have been made. Second degree murder charges are more than justified; There should be no plea bargain.
Robert Zimmerman Jr. has made that clear.
Maybe he really hates his brother.
Hartal, tell us how you know all these "facts"???
You make great points! Thanks for the post.
Piers, you are being highly selective in your choice of facts indicating that Trayvon would still be alive if... Trayvon would still be alive if he hadn't gone out for Skittles. One of the witnesses who observed the fight saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, so one could easily say that Trayvon would still be alive if he hadn't ended up on top of George beating him. So, no, you can't just select one specific set of facts and assign blame for the incident from it-and I'm quite sure you know that (if not, you need a course in basic logic, and need to cease using logic until you take it).
Pierce, you sound like a bloody lunatic... I will not watch you anymore. get a brain.
Piers, Why are you drilling George Zimmerman's brother? You are siding with Trevon family which is unfair. Give Zimmerman a fair trial. If this keeps up on your show i will not be watching it any more, which I never miss since you came on 9/8/10. Please Piers be fair and balanced.
Said above that George had to have been the one screaming because he was the only one in pain.
Do not forget that the voice experts deny that
and that George was a former bouncer known for his temper and should have been able to extricate himself from a tussle with a 150 lb boy
and that he can't claim that he was screaming and that the reason he killed was because he was being suffocated as someone astutely says above.
This will not be plea bargained down. And not because the special prosecutor is tough but because Zimmerman is completely unbelievable.
Piers Morgan is a liberal of the highest order, he has been beating this topic to death, go back to the UK and bugger yourself.
Pierce is a fool.
Give it a break Morgan, you're like a dog with a bone. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this case but since feb 26 there have been more than 2000 murders in the states, so what makes this one so super special that we need to hear about it 24/7?
I agree with Phil. Piers was pushing his facts. Fact is there is no bit of facts, conjecture or otherwise indicating what George did after the official told him not to follow. Almost everyone are pushing their own "facts". Fact is we only know pieces of facts. It's funny now that George has been arrested that CNN has now put the original mug shot back up and portray Traven as innocent child again. Yellow journalism is back!!! My heart goes out to Trayvon and his family....tragedy.
There have not been 2000 murders in which the police refused to make charges against a person known to pull the trigger against a defenseless boy.
So how much do you know about the 2000 murders Mr Hartal? – probably no more than you know about this one! Morgan should leave it to the courts to figure out and stick with interesting interviews
You made the claim that there have been 2000 murders since Trayvon was killed, yet you give no example of police refusing to make charges against an admitted killer of an unarmed youth.
Most of the evidence has been distorted by the media and much of the evidence has not been released, yet everyone seems to know exactly what happened in this tragedy. I certainly don't know. I am glad I am not on trial by this America.... Nothing but biggots. Every major news station has had to retract many of their initial observations because of media bias. Just shut up America!!!! let Justice have its cause., Either way the evidence will prevail the truth
I totally agree
Wow the comments are just incredible. I mean i'm not American and can't believed how polarized this country is and the blatant racism is just absoutely morally reprehensible. So much for the US thinking they are any kind of benchmark for anything. I seriously wonder if everyone is listening and watching the same 911 calls and 'evidence'.What the hell is wrong with you people, Robert Zimmermann has absoutely no sympathy for the dead boy or his family and you rotten people still support him? Really? All your useless history has done nothing to teach you repugnant people anything. God bless America coz the Lord knows she needs it- really!
You sound as if you have a serious problem with prejudice yourself, sir. No one asked for a non-American opinion on this or anything else!
Hate to break it to you bud, bud you don't get to dictate anything. Wake up!
Just because we're in a vulnerable situation right now, you don't have to go tooting your horn and pretending to be superior!
These are your insecurities- deal with them!
I don't have any more time or interest in responding to your ravings.
It's easy to be critical when you don't have any vested interest in the outcome. Speaking to Americans the way you do just seems a little bizarre. Have to wonder why you have such a strong opinion about our activities. Is this a frequent focus for you?
Bizarre is racism and xenophobia and a complete need to whitewash the truth. Why are you so afraid of the truth and letting justice take it's course?
But yes the rest of the world is watching this absolute absurdity in shock.
Poor Jean getting so hysterical and excited seems to have worn you out in frustration.Try being more calm and rational in future and you won't be flying the white flag so quickly.
I am an American, and I agree with you.
Jean- you're one to talk! You here correcting other people's grammar in a very nasty, critical way. Grammar is of the LEAST importance when in comes to this case!
If America had shut up, the case would have died with the old police chief. The whole point of the public outcry is to make sure all the evidence is heard in a trial. Zimmerman deserves a fair and full defense. Everyone close to Trayvon's parents is saying this.
I think Piers believes Robert Zimmerman Jr. (like I do) but Piers knows better than to anger the Twittersphere... they'd tear him to pieces.
One thing I have yet to understand, is why Robert Zimmerman continues to blame Trayvon Martin for his own death. I have a teenage son, and I have always taught him to be aware of his surroundings, that is probably what Trayvon was doing that night when he saw George Zimmerman following him, and he was scared. Trayvon didn't know who George was,George was acting as a predator towards the young man,who fought back and sadly lost his life in the process.
Piers, I regularly watch your show and normally find it interesting and entertaining. However, I have been appalled at how extremely bias and bullying in this case you have been. You are obviously so bias that you are doing great damage to the integrity of journalists. You would not the young man finish his counters to your overtly condemning statements of fact that are really not known facts, but only conjectures at this point. There is no proof known that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon. Perhaps it is true, but we do not absolutely know yet. I am very disappointed in you as an objective journalist, which is a assertion you make, but your words, non verbal communication and attack approach in this case refutes. With your style of attack without proof, I would hate to be one of your children or your spouse. If Zimmernan is proven guilty I will be very supportive of that judgement. If he is proved innocent your approach to this will seriously tarnish your image and rightly so. I have great compassion for the Martin family on the loss of their son and wish them grace. The cause is yet to be determined.
"There is no proof known that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon." I'm not sure if you read the 911 transcript but George is on tape telling the dispatcher that he is following Trayvon.
I believe that Trevon did walk away from Zimmerman, and that Zimmerman stopped following as requested by the 911 operator, however Trevon still frightened by being followed, turned and ran back towards Zimmerman, punched Zimmerman in the face, rode him down to the sidewalk, and in a frenzy started banging his head on the sidewalk as Trevon was screaming out for assistance "help me, someone help me". Trevon was covering Zimmermans mouth as he was beating him unconsious. I then think Zimmerman believing he was eing beat to death, took out his gun, and shot Trevon, the calls for help stopped.
This makes more sense to me than anything else I've heard. Thank you!
Jean, hon, that would make "more sense to me than anything else" you've heard because, and I can't think of a nice way to say this, you are a nitwit. In order for that theory to "make sense," George would have to retract his statement to the police that he was the one screaming for help; the original "investigating" officers would have to retract their statement to a distraught witness that the one who was screaming is still alive; and the Zimmerman family would have to retract their statements that it was undoubtedly George screaming on the tape, including Brother Bobby's almost comical insistence last night that Trayvon had his hand over George's broken nose and mouth and had nearly asphyxiated the poor fella, and yet as he was gasping for his last breath, he managed to repeatedly scream for help, pull out a gun, and blast Trayvon in the chest. For god's sake, think!
Since I was a little surprised that the charge was Murder 2 instead of manslaughter, I can only surmise that Corey's team found a recording of Trayvon's voice (on his voice mail, perhaps, or a message he left on another's voice mail), and took it along with the recording of Zimmerman's voice to the best FBI crime lab in the country, where the voice screaming for help as positively identified as that of Trayvon.
Morgan asked Robert why his brother got out of the car and why he pursued Trayvon. The brother denied that is what happened, but then could not explain why Trayvon was killed so far away from his SUV. But more importantly the brother switched the topic to whether his brother's phone call reveals that George was racially profiling. But that was not the question. The question is why George got out of the car, pursued Trayvon, killed Trayvon far away from his car when he should have retreated, and never identified himself as a neighborhood watchman, giving Trayvon no reason to doubt that he was being stalked by someone itching for a violent confrontation.
I would like Piers Morgan to focus on the fact that mr Zimmerman was so beat up from trayvon Martin which is the bid issue. Then why the hell in the police video does he worry about dirty shoes. And wipes them on the carpet on the way into the police station a few moments after the shooting?????? Does anyone else think of all the little things???
Piers Morgan was made to look like a fool on National TV by Mr. Zimmerman brother. I am so sick an tired of the black leadership in this country always playing the race card. It had nothing to do with race . Anyone who has ever been in a serious fight will tell you it is about surviving, race has nothing to do with it.
The so called black leaders in this country, i.e. Jessie Jackson , Al Sharpton fly all over this country on the payroll of numerous organizations just to "stir the pot". They both make me sick.
As far as the " Black Panthers" go , they have threatened Mr. Zimmerman and his family with out cause, they have no idea of the facts ...who in the hell are they to judge anyone. They are a bunch of "uneducated thugs." I am sickened by the black response and to Piers Morgan's rediculous interview with Mr. Zimmerman. Mr. Zimmerman made him look like a fool. Well spoken Mr. Zimmerman. Let the courts decide, not a " Mob Mentality of Bias Blacks with a grudge".
Exactly my thoughts, Randy!
And you sound exactly like that of which you are claiming! I am presuming you are white? Its about more than race here. Had that been your child (assuming you have any) what would your course of action be?
Also, there are scores of whites who are just as outraged at Zimmerman's actions so sit small with that "Black Mob Mentality" bullcrap!
Are you related to this guy below?
As a WHITE American living in America, my fear and hatred of BLACK Americans is so paramount, that I must embrace every opportunity to inject my venom of stupidity and ignorance, regarding the reality of RACISM in America. As a coward, I hide anonymously in my home, concealing my face behind my computer, that I may impart my innermost darkness and evil of RACISM upon society. Sometimes when hanging out with the boys...the KKK that is, I feel somewhat empowered as we hide underneath our HOODIES....oops, I mean HOODS. Even while wearing my costume, I still find it hard to escape the cowardly person that I am. What a miserable life I have, never really having understood who I am, or my worth. You see, my parents raise me to believe that I was superior then people of color. But DANG BLASTED @#%...the more I live, the more I realized that people of color are not only my equal, but in most cases, more educated, innovative, talented and skilled than I. Please understand that my ignorance of hate towards people of color was handed down from my parents. Hopefully I will not spend the rest of my life in gross darkness and ignorance. Maybe one day I will face my fears of black people, enabling me to embrace justice for all people, that I may live in peace, harmony and REALITY with all of humanity.
I was raised to be tolerant, but that doesn't mean you have to be stupid and pretend to not see the facts when they're in your face! If black youths had been breaking into homes in the neighborhood, Zimmerman had every reason to be alerted when he saw not only a black youth, but a stranger, in the neighborhood! And, not a young boy, but a well-developed, strong and tall young man!
But then again, I was raised by pedophiles.
By chance, are you related to this guy below?
As a WHITE American living in America, my fear and hatred of BLACK Americans is so paramount, that I must embrace every opportunity to inject my venom of stupidity and ignorance, regarding the reality of RACISM in America. As a coward, I hide anonymously in my home, concealing my face behind my computer, that I may impart my innermost darkness and evil of RACISM upon society. Sometimes when hanging out with the boys...the KKK that is, I feel somewhat empowered as we hide underneath our HOODIES....oops, I mean HOODS. Even while wearing my costume, I still find it hard to escape the cowardly person that I am. What a miserable life I have, never really having understood who I am, or my worth. You see, my parents raise me to believe that I was superior then people of color. But DANG BLASTED @#%...the more I live, the more I realized that people of color are not only my equal, but in most cases, more educated, innovative, talented and skilled than I. Please understand that my ignorance of hate towards people of color was handed down from my parents. Hopefully I will not spend the rest of my life in gross darkness and ignorance. Maybe one day I will face my fears of black people, enabling me to embrace justice for all people, that I may live in peace, harmony and REALITY with all of humanity.
There is no reason to think Trayvon jumped Zimmerman from the back. They clearly had a face to face verbal exchange before the physical altercation. That's clear from the girlfriend's cell phone conversation. And it's also clear that Trayvon thought that Zimmerman was pursuing him on foot and that Zimmerman did not identify himself as a neighborhood watchman, giving Trayvon every reason to fear for his life.
Zimmerman created the confrontation because he did not want to let another alleged hoodlum get away.
He wanted to make himself the neighborhood hero. He knew he had a gun to back him up. So he created the confrontation.
And now he will go to prison.
i hope you are victimized by a young black male. Don’t call 911 for help
Hartal, you weren't there , so how do you claim to know whay Mr. Zimmerman was thinking. You obviously have never been in a life threatening situation, or you would not have made such a stupid comment. Get a clue Hartal!!
Don't report for jury duty Mr. Clearly.
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One further comment: Robert Zimmerman handled himself with complete professionalism and self control. It is amazing that he was able to control his emotions in response to your over the top condemnation, bias and unverified facts. Most people would have responded in kind and lashed out at you. He distinguished himself and was more composed and rational than you were Piers. His self control and composure made you look like an angry amateur. It seemed you were desperately trying to provoke him into responding angrily, if that was the case you failed.
Right on Larry, I thought the very same thing. I am so sick an tired of the race card being played on every incidence nation wide. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton make me want to throw up. Neither one has worked a day in their life, and they both tour the country on the payrolls of numerous black orgainizations trying to "stir the Pot". Well put.
Yes, I have to agree with you on every point. I was amazed, too, at how Robert Zimmerman kept his cool when repeatedly interrupted and challenged on every front.
On the contrary, he was biased as well. He defended his brother as if he was there watching everything unfold!! So the REALITY of it all is everyone is basing things on what information was released to the public so far. No one really knows what happened except George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin, who unfortunately cannot tell his version of the events of that night. WHY? Because he is DEAD!!! At the hands of George Zimmerman and that's a FACT!
Your criticism of Robert Zimmerman stating what he had heard from his brother is rather strange. The popular media, and yourself included, have assumed that you know what happened. And who are you getting your first-hand info from???
How so is it strange? I said, if you would look above, that NOBODY except GEORGE ZIMMERMAN and TRAYVON MARTIN knows the real story of what happened that night. I said we are all forming opinions based on what information is released to the public thus far....i.e the 911 tapes. You are standing up for Mr. Zimmerman and that is your right and you expressed your OPINIONS and VIEWS, likewise I exercise my right to do the same. Just because Zimmerman says his brother didn't do it, doesn't make it so! Hell, no one expected him to say anything less. After all, it is his brother...
Michelle, I appreciate you agreeing that we don't know all the facts yet. But, I don't think we can discount Robert Zimmerman's statements. We can't say they're true OR false. That will yet be determined.
well if he were alive do u really know if he would have told the truth,no
No reason to give Zimmerman money. If he can't afford a lawyer, one will be provided for him.
Piers you are a liberal with White Guilt. I will break it down for you Idiots. Fact 1 Florida Law says you have the right to detain a person Criminally Trespassing. So no matter what a citizen call taker told him he had every right to stop Martin. So lets look at that. Martin did not live in the gated community (private Property) neither did his dad. His daddy was banging a girl whos house was being foreclosed on. Martin was over 100 miles from his mommies house and had no reason to be there mommy kicked him to babydaddy because he got suspended from school again. Geroge a Hispanic! Male had every right to defend his community. Fact 2 many breakins to houses were committed by BLACK MALES! So once again walks, talks and quacks like a duck it’s a duck.
Zimmerman lost contact with martin and was asked to find an address. No street signs were in the area so Zimmerman got out. Martin pulled a typical bully move and confronted Zimmerman. Zimmerman was attacked by a MAN 6 foot 3 not some kid. martin beat him. And as for Piers dumb comment let me hit you once I would knock your English butt out in one hit.
If you want to attack a person you deserve to get shot. To all you BLACK self righteous idiots. Our borders are open go back to the motherland. Those who want to be a positive person to America please stay we need good people.
Check youtube to see true black america and why we need stand your ground (RAW VIDEO) Black Mob Beats, Strips & Robs Tourist As Onlookers Laugh in Baltimore
Idiot.
Zimmerman could have just gone back to his SUV. He was not out looking for a street address. He knew exactly where he was. It was his neighborhood, he was the captain of the watch team. He was still out on the prowl for Trayvon on the basis of no evidence that he had committed a crime. He wanted to apprehend him. He had a gun to aid in the apprehension. He created the situation, and now he'll go to prison.
by law he had every right to stop martin. so with that fact what do you have to say? also unarmed? lets get face to face give me a glass bottle and i will jack you up
You seem to be making a violent threat against me. I have no interest in being face to face with you. The CNN censors should block you from this site.
Oh my how very Florida of you!
You seem to be a violence-prone individual.
Hartel , you seemed to think you know a whole lot more about the situation than you could possibly know unless you were there. You are one of those "arm chair" cridicts that think they know everything. I don't hear you say a word about the "Black Panthers " threatening Mr. Zimmerman and his family, what is up with that.
I am so sick and tired of the race card being played constantly. I say get a life , it has nothing to do with race. I don't care who you are, if you attack me or threated me ...I could care less what color you are, I will defend with extreme prejudice. Can you hear me now??
What this Black Panther Party said has been condemned in the strongest terms by everyone close to Trayvon's parents. The bounty is grotesque. The police should track down those who committed this criminal act. I would like to know who this new black panther party is and whether it's a front group for another organization. But this was of course a sickening development in the case.
Like Trayvon's father, I am committed to non-violence and compassion.
Who cares a citizens with no powers told him "we dont need you to do that" NOT DONT DO THAT. once again Florida law says he has every right to stop and detain Martin. before you act as if you know it all do reserch. i hope Zimmerman sues the crap out of the media and the idiot that filed these charges. and Hartal not making threats but nice liberal move...
Also dont care about CNN (the Clintion News Network) and Fu@k Ted Turnner and his commie wife
trayvon should have just gone home like the girlfriend told him to do. why he had to stay out and act like a tough guy is beyond me. also, sneaking up behind someone is NOT a good idea. it's too bad that he was killed, i wish he just listened to his girlfirend. but, i guess, being suspended more than a couple times... means trayvon had issues.
hartel, this comment was for you. you like to slant the story as fact – i could do it too. but it doesn't make either of us right or true. so... smarten buddy.
I watch your show often. Tonight your integrity went out the window. I believe you seriously tarnish your image as well as cnn in my view. Piers you and everyone else need to let the court decide about the facts and the truth. Tonight you came off as a Bully and should be ashamed. You did nothing more than try and stir the pot.
Piers knew facts... And used them! He was actually a very informed and gracious interviewer.
my previous comment was erroneously directed at hartal- apologies. It was meant for that bottomfeeder truthseeker.
I can't understand why Mr. Zimmerman's brother agreed to that interview, he did more harm than good for his brother. Stating his brother did not keep "following" Mr. Martin after the police told him they did not want him follow the kid, because Mr. Zimmerman had lost Mr. Martin, and admitting Mr. Zimmerman went "Looking" for Mr. Martin by going to the last address where he had saw him. By "Following" or Looking for" Mr. Martin, either way, Mr. Zimmerman's brother openly admitted Mr. Zimmerman still pursed Mr, Martin AFTER the police clearly told him not to do that!
Piers did a great job tonight and made bro look like an incompetent stammering fool.
What??? Did you see the show???!
Did you? I mean did you really watch and listen or are you just too busy spewing your usual vile and venom and spinning to your own agenda?
I have no agenda but the Truth! I don't pretend to know the Truth as you pretend to! There is nothing "vile" or "vicious" in anything I"ve said.
The truth?? Are you joking? You've already determined what the truth is according to your own biases and prejudices -clearly your post have left me with this impression!!!You're only happy with the truth that suits you and your mob.
Agreed. The brother is just detached and spinning. Piers was focused and clear. So thankful for today and the events we witnessed. This brother is a sideshow now.
Good job piers! Rtobert zimmerman is a complete fool.
You don't need to protect Piers. I'm sure he'll keep him job. The truth is at stake here and he interrupted and challenged Robert Zimmerman at every turn. It was painful to watch as Mr. Zimmerman kept his cool and faced unbelievable trealment by Piers.
He wasn't keeping his cool. He's slow.....and was having a hard time keeping up. Come on now!
I agree!!!!! If piers don't get the answer he wants he cut guests off- changes the subject -he is very rude to most at least once usually repeataly. He pick, flirts------!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, don't listen, cuts-off, gets pieved, he is like a spoiled roten child often!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wish Larry King would come back or someone like Larry. piers is to high on piers!!!!!!
I want to listen to the guest but sometimes I just can not stand to watch or listen to piers----–
****CNN PLEASE PLEASE REPLACE HIM---–
Yes Piers did a fabulous job, but I don't think it was too difficult. Certainly wasn't a fair playing field. The Zimmermans don't come across as the most educated or intelligent people. Franky both brothers come seem rather slow and confused. Frightening that these people are allowed to carry guns.
Let's see how clever you might sound if you were being bombarded about an emotional issue involving your family!!!
I have been watching since 5:00 cst. I cried with reliief to finally see the justice system working in the state of Florida.
Why it took them so long is another question. In my state,mainly, my county, George Zimmerman would have been arrested iimmediately and stayed in jail as legal procedure would take its course.
Regarding the interview, with George Zimmerman's brother, I understand the shock and denial.
Everyone wants to believe in someone, especially when it is they you are close to you.
Among many, there are three observances I would like to comment on,
1. George Zimmerman's brother said, "He spoiled a robbery that the neighbors enjoyed."
Enjoyed? Who enjoys a robbery?
2. When Piers asked him is he had anthhing to say to Trayvon's parents, and I, also watched this twice, he referred to them as "these people".
3. This has no relevance but did anyone notice his ears? They were white as a sheet.
I know this might sound absurd but look at the video. It stood out to me.
Perhaps he has a problem with blood circultaion in his ears. I do not know.
I even looked at Pier's ears. There was color in his ears.
What do "white ears" have to do with anything? Don't you imagine the stress he was under might have caused a change in circulation? It can do that, you know.
There is no justice when a man is lynched in the media before he is even charged with a crime.
New Black Panthers call for a race war, gun-control advocates use Zimmerman as a political football and Obama says Treyvon Martin could be his own son.
Public opinion is already poisoned against George Zimmerman and now he is supposed to get a fair and impartial jury to listen to his case?
Good luck!
If this is the best our justice system has to offer then it's more humane to hang the accused from a tree and beat them like a pinata.
Babs the suggestion in your last line certainly sound like a plan! But seriously I hope his new roommates and friends give him a hearty welcome.
Calling Barbara "Babs" and saying what you just did, shows your disrespect and the hate you harbor!
Sounds like you didn't understand me. Of course, I knew what you were saying, and said that you must be full of hatel Not too difficult to understand, I would think..
Amen!
Evidently sarcasm is lost on you...sigh..oh well nevermind dear. I meant to be REALLY clear I hope that the other gentlemen felons give him a jolly good banging just as he's bending over to pick up the bar of soap! Got it now?
Sounds like you didn't understand me. Of course, I knew what you were saying, dear, and said that you must be full of hatel Not too difficult to understand, I would think..
By the by, I am ACu.ntwithA Deadly Yeast Infection
Jean with regards to your comment at 2.40am[for whatever reason no replies are allowed to your post] at least you now seem to be conceeding that bro came across as a lame brained dolt. That's a pretty swift flipflop though!!
@If, They are blocking your replies too? it seems as though the censors on here have thier own bias. I posted something twice and it didn't go through. Hmmmmm...kinda makes ya wonder. Freedom of speech my ass!!! Freedom for WHO??
(I'd be surprised if they let this through) I'm out!!! Justice for Trayvon!!!!
The "censors" if there are any, are not one-sided. I have seen this same thing happen on comments from more than one point of view!
I'm not admitting to anything of that sort! Extremes are not the only options we have. By saying, "let's see how clever you would be...", doesn't mean't I'm agreeing with you that he was an idiot! You know that and are too smart to really be thinking that I'm agreeing with you!
There goes that pitter patter of flip flopping! Come back when you have some cogent, coherent thoughts dear.
Clearly comprehension is not your strong suit. Jean dear try to keep your thought process cogent. Usually posters aren't all over the place. Flip flopping like this is doing you a disservice.
Also where are all these claims of hate coming from? Do you often feel persecuted and paranoid? Trust me there's no conspiracy, nobody's out to get you.
Patronizing doesn't equal intelligence!
Perhaps it was my television. I need new lenses.
You did an excellant interview Piers.
Piers! Would it be reasonable to believe that the state of mind of Trayvon was to stand his ground while being pursued? The phone conversation between Trayvon and his girlfriend depicts his state of mind. She told him to run. Trayvon said he would not. Does that reasonably depict Trayvon's state of mind to stand his ground? Piers, it's saddening to witness that Trayvon's existence is viewed so lowly. I would like to hear your opinion.
PIERS - you are such a sensationalist. STOP trying to convict Zimmerman w/o all the facts. You continually
state that "Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon after being told not to." There is NO EVIDENCE that that happened.
Carrying a bag of skittles and soda – does NOT make anyone in the world INNOCENT or GUILTY. Criminals, thugs,
robbers, bad-asses, etc... eat too! Trayvon was a football player - a big guy - who obviously had some issues (being suspended from school more than once)... let's let the system do it's job. YOU Piers, need to stop fueling the fire by putting forth here-say and person opinon as fact. SHAME ON YOU.
PIERS... YOU'RE A MORON. If someone's being choked or suffocated... they would be able to get UP and walk around 45mins later. Additionally, I had a broken nose... people at work, barely noticed UNTIL I pointed it out.
I doubt that your opinion on his looks is relevent.
ADDITIONALLY - YOU DON'T KNOW THAT TRAYVON WAS INNOCENT WALKING HOME!!!!
if TM had has hands over GZ mouth and nose, allegedly. Why were the screams for help so clear?
RZ, Jr is full of lies. He's hurting himself and his brother.
After watching Piers Morgans second interview with George Zimmerman it's apparent that he needs to simply stick to being a judge on "America's Got Talent.
I understand that everyone has their one style of interviewing ones guests but Piers Morgan is truly the worst interviewer on CNN to date.
CNN needs to bring Larry King out of retirement plan and simply!
BTW, nice pressure Mr Morgan. You learn fast. Great Job.
Piers this has been your BEST interview so far! Well done!
The "best", really? That's sad!
Piers 's attempt to use his pulpit and discredit Robert Zimmerman should not have happened. I am surprised that the producer let Piers try to influence a potential jury on a national network. His job as an interviewer is not to discredit his guests but to interview them. Larry King would not have acted in a rude manner as Piers did. Poers should be relieved from his job.
Piers Morgan on 'Trayvon Martin case' = Nancy Grace on "Casey Anthony"
BS Ted. Mr. Morgan inst setting up soap boxes he's getting answers America wants. The whole debate on the media's influence on justice is still debatable. If you want to preserve your jury chances, Turn off the TV.
BS – jon! Piers isn't getting ANSWERS... he's simpy sensationalizing to get RATINGS. The facts of the case
are NOT going to come out on his show. They'll come out in court. Any discussion beforehand is simply
conjecture, sensationalism and unhelpful. Pier Morgan should replace Nancy Grace.
PIERS MORGAN is the new NANCY GRACE. Yikes!!!
Robert (or George) needs to explain one thing. How did George get from his car, where I believe he was when he made the 911 call, to the site where the shooting took place. Robert says George "lost sight" of Martin and returned to the last place he saw him. Quite frankly, that sounds like he was looking for Martin, followilng him as it were. Martin might very well have been observing him and thinking to himself, "this creep is after me."
If George had just stayed in his car and gone to where police had told him to go, none of this would have happened. Once George decided to try to "find" Martin, all bets were off.
YOU and I do NOT know that Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon AFTER he spoke to the police. Period.
Furthermore, one could also say, along your "if" line of thinking... IF Trayvon just went home or potentially didn't sneak up on Zimmerman, then none of this would have happened. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.
I've been reading these ignorant, racist comments, and they are an embarrassment to my country. We do know Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon after a trained - allow me to repeat that - trained dispatcher realized he was following Trayvon (one could not miss the huffing and puffing) and asked for clarification. When Zimmerman replied that he was, the trained dispatcher said firmly, "Okay, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman said okay, but when the dispatcher attempted to arrange for the police to meet him "at the mailboxes," Zimmerman initially agreed, and then changed his mind, told the dispatcher to have to police call him when they arrived, and he would show them where Trayvon was. The only way he could know that is if he continued to follow Trayvon. It's on the tape, in Zimmerman's own words. So, while we wait for other facts to emerge and the judicial process to function, can we at least be done with pretending that Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon and returned to his SUV? He didn't.
His Brother said.... George "lost sight" of Martin, and went to the last place he saw him!! He went LOOKING for HIM!!! After he was told NOT to follow him!! If he wasn't looking for Martin why go to the last place he saw him? Why didn't he get out the rain and go back to his car?!?!
Exactly Steve, he went looking for that kid, ........ his brother didn't say he returned to his car!
Go to bed everyone. We all can fight and argue later on tomorrow!!!
@marco. Agreed, no real answers were given. Sensationalism is part of the job. Ratings ya know? That's why you and I watch. It's what brought you to this site to view more ads and input your email address. He got ya!!!! Nancy Grace is part of the same network. Was that an attempted insult?
FAIL (sorry. i know it's out of date but it fits)
oh my god..!!!..piers makes this trey guy look like some innocent child who was on his way from school carrying his winnie the pooh lunchbox...give me a break..lets talk about why little trey was suspended from school for vandalism and probably other thug activities...the only reason the state of florida had to charge george zimmerman with something is because the state of florida is afraid that if they let mr zimmerman go free...al sharpton and his crew of thugs would burn all the cities down in florida...what a joke...so heres the deal..if you are attacked by a black guy in the night and he is beating you up...let him beat you up and give him whatever he wants...but do not..shoot in self defense..because if you do..you will be considered a racist and al sharpton and his gang of thugs will make sure you get charged with a crime....i feel sorry for george zimmerman...
Crazy Talk. If that were an argument made in a court of law you would open the door to Zimmerman's past as well. Let's talk about his failure to become a cop and increase desire to pretend to be one. How about his defiance for authority in his resisting arrest charge. And dont fail to include his father's position of influence in the law. TM was a typical American boy; sports fan, son, brother, student, girl chaser and dealing with crap as best he could. George Zimmerman is an out of control, wanna-be cop. Where is Zimmerman's father? I'd like to hear his character reference.
Barbara, I am lucky to live on a block where everyone respects each other. I live in the house my parents owned since I was 10 yrs. old. There is a wonderful "Black" family who lives right across the street who I have known for over ten years and have the utmost respect for. There is a Hispanic Family two houses down from me who I ,also, have the utmost respect for them. There is a handicapped eldely individual who we all care about. Everyone knows everyone on this block I am fortunate to live in such a neighborhood because we have respect for each other. We live next to a middle school. The buses run down our street everyday. Many children, walk or run, express themselves, scream or yell , laugh or talk, on their way home or to the next bus. 90% of those chilren wear hoodies, weather permitting.
We are all human beings and we are all equal.
Piers Morgan your interview with Robert Zimmerman was tasteless, tasteless, tasteless. You displayed poor, poor journalist work. I have never seen such a worst interview ever presented on CNN or any other network. I watch CNN daily. You insulted yourself and all the other professional journalists of CNN. My respect that I had for CNN is gone.You seriously have tarnished the image of CNN. Tonight you failed CNN.
Agree!
I forgot to add, we all live in houses with lawns. No apts. here.
Just saw the Piers interview with the Zimmerman brother (a second time). You Go Piers! Good job! You get him to fess up! Robert Z. way too much defends his brother. I can see his devotion. But all the evidence points to Zimmerman starting the whole thing – i.e. following Trayvon, disobeying police instructions, and likely chasing him down & grabbing him. If Zimmerman was indeed hit in the nose or whatever, it was likely Trayvon acting in self-defense & fighting back. Zimmerman is at fault for starting the whole thing in the first place – and trying to take the law in his own hands. He is getting what he deserves and so is his family.
Piers,
Personally, I am sickened by the fact that money is being wasted listening to this racist, uncaring individual that we have to consider a human being. Zimmerman has no heart and neither do the idiots who have posted their hate in support of him, White America and the others who are so full of hate need a wake-up call. Hopefully some of them will experience a similar tragedy and see how people respond to them. They all need help.
Lcp
Racist....yes you. You are pathetic, and wearing blinders. Before posting on anything ever again, open a newspaper, or a web page, read some facts, then form an educated decision...instead of blaming every last White person in America for 2 peoples poor decisions that lead to a tragedy...so sick of ignorant racist people.
Piers, Robert Zimmerman repeats his false statement that Trayvon told his girfriend he would walk "slow." Robert Z assigns some nefarious intent to that. What Trayvon said (in transcripts of her cell phone conversation with him) when she told him to run he said he would WALK FAST.
plz make that distinction next time Robert Z makes up a new version of what happened.
I thought the most eye opening part of the interview was when Robert told us that George shot Trayvon because he feared Trayvon would get the gun from him. What that says to me is that the absence of the gun would have prevented a loss of life. Citizens should not be carrying guns. This is a prime example (whether his story is true or not) that guns are just as much the problem as people.
Are you serious? That's like saying carrying money on you causes you to get mugged or that owning a house causes you to get robbed...
When you disarm citizens, they are no long citizens. They are subjects. An armed society is a polite society!
Also, the main reason for the general public to be able to carry arms is to protect itself from the government..."When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." A simple statement, made by a founding father, we have all seem to have forgotten this day in age.
Oh, come on. You gun freaks are living in a fantasy world that existed 200 years ago when people needed to carry arms. Hello there, wake up to the 21st century. This is no longer the Wild West. Put down your guns and be civilized.
As long as there are people out there who are willing to threaten the safety of others, there will always be a need for firearms. The police do not magically teleport to your side when needed and I like to know I can protect myself if I were ever in a situation that called for it. One would have to be an absolute fool to actually believe that guns aren't necessary anymore.
Also, excellent point Kainius.
This Zimmerman went after Piers for 'supposition' and yet he did the same thing when talking about Martin walking slowly. He said something to the affect that Martin said he wasn't going to run, he was going to walk slowly and stated that meant Martin was sneaking up on Zimmerman. I see it the other way – he wasn't going to be intimidated by this man following him and he was going to show that by not running away. I didn't see all of the interview, but something that has struck me time and time again about this broken nose is that there is no blood on this man at all, not on his shirt or face, his nose looks normal, and there is no bruising around his eyes. Sure, the paramedics may have looked at his 'broken nose' like everyone states as fact, but that could be because Zimmerman said he had a broken nose – of course they are going to look at that. I don't believe Zimmerman was out to kill anyone that night, but he did. He should own up to the fact that he was scared and acted out of that fear, but not fear of his life.
Piers Morgan, you are an embarrassment to the British living in the USA I had to change the Chanel, you acted like an absolute jerk to zimmermans brother. Shame on you
Agree! And he came off like a mad dog with someone trying to steal his bone. Disgusting,
This interview was great. Piers was trying to get his brother to view this from the other side. And, its funny to hear the story changing every time Robert Zimmerman is interviewed. Last time he said his brother was beaten almost to death. This time he said that most of his injuries were respiratory injuries that you won't see on video. Lmao, which is it? If he wasn't following him, then how did he end up so far away from his car? And, please tell me how he and his brother were doing brotherly things, he can set up a website and make phone calls, but be emotionally/physically changed
Piers – Please have a some facts in hand, the next time you interview the Zimmermans. The video footage of Zimmerman at the police station is taken within approx.. 35 minutes of the shooting. The station is a 12-15 min drive from the crime scene. That gave EMT's less than 20 mins to assess & treat Zimmerman for his life threatening injuries, that's assuming the EMT's devoted all their attention to Z's bloody nose, instead of tending to the kid with the gunshot wound to his chest.
And Trayvon told his girlfriend he would "walk fast", not walk slow – as RZ stated.
And RZ states that Trayvon, at 6'3, sat on his brothers CHEST, covered his mouth with one hand, while he beat his head onto the ground, (presumedly with the other). How is it physically possible for this tall, lanky kid to contort his body as such? And then he says, Trayvon sees Z's gun in Z's waist holster, from this very same position, mind you and "tries to go for it". All the while saying, "You're gonna die tonight". And to end it all, after Z shoots Trayvon in the chest at point blank range, Trayvon says, "You got me", before dying. - Could you have challenged him on any of that absurdity???
RZ says his brother never followed or pursued Trayvon, after being directed not to. Yet, then he says, Z went to look for the place he last spotted Trayvon, so he could have an address to direct the police to. Look for, follow, in pursuit of...all the same isn't it???
And did RZ really refer to the Martins as "these people", when asked if he wanted to say anything to them from the Zimmerman family? And then go on to suggest that they not become violent, after his brother is acquitted. The ONLY person who has been accused of violent tendencies is George Zimmerman. What a load of crap.
What's sad as a African American, educated, professional man, I wake up from 8-5 wearing my suit and doing great things for my community. After 5pm and weekendsI put on my blue jeans and tee shirts and find myself seen and judged as a Thug. I find it sick that I am immediately judged by how I look and not by my character.
Just think, if it wasn't for all the the marches and protests, no one would have ever heard about this case and the death of a young man would've gone unanswered. I know people are saying "let the trial happen and the let the authorities take care of it" but are we forgetting that this guy was never charged form the beginning and spent about a half hour at a police station and was asked to leave? I've spent more time than that in traffic court! Sometimes we need a bit of a up-roar before people listen. It's sad but true.
Piers should spend more time in the loo. What should be left in the bowl is coming out of his mouth.
George Zimmerman brother Robert Zimmerman, Jr. is really very good......VERY GOOD IN LYING. It runs in the family you know. I admire them.
To Zimmermans brother: You don't go into hiding ig you have nothing to hide.
Everyone needs to quit talking to the media and let the justice system work. No one knows exactly what happened that night and never will. But, I am so tired of hearing the case tried in the media and the court of public opinion.
I honestly wish I could be a juror on this case. Would love to know all the facts and see what I found is or isn't beyond a reasonable doubt. Put all skin color, race, age, manner of dress, hate talk aside...and find out the truth. There will be no winners in this case no matter what the verdict. Both sides have already suffered.
George Zimmerman did not want to ASSIST police, he wanted to BE one. He should have never been carrying a gun or pursued anyone for any reason, period.
If Zimmerman was scared, he would have never stepped out of his vehicle. He would have simply made the call and moved a "safe" distance away from what was so "terrifying" to him. What do people do when they are scared and are securely in a vehicle primed for flight? They leave as quickly as possible.......
Zimmerman will be acquitted. Not enough evidence. Blacks will riot and loot as per usual. Nothing new here move along....
Everone in this forum, Zimmerman AND Martin supporters, has deeply rooted biases. This isn't about Zimmerman! It's about dehumanizing paradigms that get passed on from one generation to the other. Our perception of humanity compartmentalizes us. To some of you, Trayvon was not even human! We care passionately for "our own kind", whether it's for race, religion, nationality, etc. This thinking persists inspite of your "God(s)". Perhaps you're not "praying" hard enough...LOL. Zimmerman is only one of many triggermen, who may have taken a life unnecessarily. We ALL kill unjustly or are indifferent to those, who do. This is just a different flavor of homicide. I'd make a fortune selling news papers to you people. You eat this stuff up so predictably. You're oblivious to the cycle.
I suggest we allow the evidence to do the real talking here. I only know what the media has said and so far we have one with facial/head injuries and not the other...that might suggest that one was attacked by the other. We also have pleadings for help recorded by 911...I would suggest that it is probably Zimmerman calling for help because he is the one who knew 911 was on the line...knowing this he would not kill a man pleading for help all the while the police were listening and recording it....also...if there was a struggle for the gun there should be gunshot residue on both parties....also if Martin was shot while struggling for the weapon then there should be powder burns on his person or clothing or both...the physical evidence in this case will tell us what we need to know...and as for profiling....Zimmerman was not even sure of Martin's race....he said he looked black (only when asked), but it was dark and he was wearing a hood which might make telling a person's race difficult if not impossible...and I would suggest that if one does not want to be seen as a "gangsta" then don't try to look like one with the oversized clothing, the pants sagging down with the crotch at the knees, and wearing a hoodie to concean your face...don't walk around as a stranger in someone's neighborhood, in the dark, and then take an aggressive stance by a resident when confronted. If you do not want to be "profiled" as being an unsavory riff-raff out to do no good, then don't look like one.
Zimmerman's brother and his friend need to keep their mouths shut before they say something that will backfire. Its interesting that his brother forgot to mention that on the 911 tape his brother clearly says ( F–king punks always get away) What we have here is a little man that carries a gun, that thinks he's a cop who killed somebody. There is no doubt in my mind that he was following Trayvon ( who told his girlfriend this ) who in all likelihood confronted him and Trayvon who would have been concerned may very well have got in an altercation with him. If someone was following me in the dark and confronted me I too would have punched him in the nose. Where the struggle took place was no where near his van where he was told to stay and happened on grass ( according to witnesses ) not a cement sidewalk. The police investigation was a disgrace. If Zimmerman had just called the police and done what he waas told this would not have happened. Unlike some I am a retired homicide investiagtor and look at this in an unbias view. Meanwhile his brother and his friend keep spouting off what happened. I hope for Zimmermans sake, his lawyer tells his brother and friend to stop talking before it affects any defence. y
George Zimmerman is a PU$$Y A$$ PUNK! According to his neighbor Mr. Taafe, George Zimmerman saw an ACTUAL crime taking place (break in) at Mr. Taafe's house. What did George Zimmerman do? According to Mr. Taafe, George Zimmerman called the cops and waited for their arrival. But what does George Zimmerman do when he sees a LONE KID walking, not commiting ANY crime (except fitting HIS stereotypical description), what does PUNK A$$ George Zimmerman do? He follows Trayvonn and gets out with his gun. Even AFTER the dispatcher told him "WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT" George Zimmerman takes the gun and matters in his own hands. Why didn't he get out of the car when he allegedly saw an ACTUAL crime being commited? Plain and simple GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS A PUNK A$$ PU$$Y!!
ALL conjecture. Maybe it happened this way, maybe not. You weren't there.
Wow. Good point.
"These a**holes...they always get away"- George Zimmerman, a deranged wannabe cop
I have read through everyone's omments on here, and I am saddened to know that I live in a society where there is so much animosity and anger. I agree that we should all let the chips fall where they may with this case, but what really saddens me is that Trayvon's Martin's character is being dragged through the mud in order to defend George Zimmerman. It really doesn't matter what trouble Trayvon had been involved in prior to the night of his dealth. He wasn't doing anything wrong THAT NIGHT. I think that Zimmerman's past if far more relevant; Domestic Violence and Assault of a cop. Further, for those of you saying that race has nothing to do with this case, I think that you are living in a dream land. Racism is not over in this country. Not even a little bit. Black men, young and old, are always seen as a threat, no matter what they have on, and that threat others feel may be concious or subconcious. Also, I want many of you to put yourself in Trayvon's shoes for a minute. I know that if I were being pursued, I may want to confront the person that is following me. That is the basis of the "Stand your Ground Law," right? I think that ending a fist fight with a gun is ridiculous. My question is why did Zimmerman have to get out of his car and why did he have to carry his gun. In my opinion, you carry your gun if you are going to use it. I think that this case has been handled poorly all the way around, and I hate that there is so much hatred being spread on these boards. I think that Zimmerman should get life in prison simply because he killed someone who was NO threat to him. If he would have let the police do their jobs, there would not have been an issue.
Enough said.
Now that charges have been brought against Zimmerman; the Zimmerman family is crazy talking to the media about issues specific to that terrible night; facts that they could not personnally know. Now that charges have been brought, it is safe to assume that this Special Prosecutor would not risk her reputation as a tough, smart, winning prosecutor by filing charges she could not hope to win. People were outraged that Zimmerman could shoot someone and walk away from a dead body with fewer consequences than if he had received a parking ticket while in Sanford. Now that files have been filed, let the speculation end and let the justice system work (as it should have from the beginning).
It's clear Trayvon was trying to get away for trigger happy Zimmerman. Unforunately, Trayvon lost his life. Had Travyvon been a white kid, I am sure there would be a different reaction from the racists.
And plenty of NON racists still don't know the truth because we weren't there and don't have all the evidence.
"It's clear Trayvon was trying to get away for trigger happy Zimmerman."
Not clear at all. His girlfriend on the phone with him told him to run. He said he would not run. Did he walk away? Did he try to confront Zimmerman? That is what this case is about and I don't know the answer to that anymore than YOU do.
Actually he responded to her that he wasn't going to run, but he would start walking faster, which is probably when George Zim told the 911 operator "he's running now".
"Had He Been a White Kid..."...it would have been the same outcome. How do you ignorant racists keep forgetting, IT WAS DARK OUT AND RAINING!!!!! Race had nothing to do with this as Zimmerman couldn't see his skin color! Get the fuuuuuuuu over it.
Jorge Zimmerman DID call the police because of Trayvon Martin's blackness & clothing.
His former neighborhood watch captain, friend, and support, Frank Taaffe, has been conducting interviews, giving that same excuse that "young black males" have been "prevented from buglarizing his home", by the wannabe cop Zimmerman.
Robert Zimmerman is blind. Can you believe that he actually said "you dont' call the police and then kill someone, that didn't happen" NEWSFLASH: Trayvon was killed by your coward brother!
This is a media spectacle. Were a white kid shot by a white guy, or black by black, I doubt Al Sharpton and Co would care. I feel for the Martin family, but I feel for the Zimmerman's as well.
Every participant stands to gain through this hollow, shallow spectacle paraded before us. The prosecutor will likely have a talk-show, the lawyers get free advertising, the Martin family,... a book deal (likely ghost-written) and I suspect the same for Zimmerman.
Too much media, not enough intellect. McLuen should be a prophet. To ignore the constant racial media-hype that motiviated Zimmerman to protect his community is to ignore the reality of life in our time.
How many Trayvon's died for oil and Corporate America?
This is free TV. We are playing into the hands of those who use fear as control. If Zimmerman commited a crime, let the lawyers handle it.
Why aren't we this upset with Wall St or Congressional criminals? They've affected all we've created, yet we ignore them?
The Police did not arrest Zimmerman apparently based on evidence at the scene. They did not want to arrest him. We are taking a step back as a society when we let public opinion and an angry mob cause law enforcement to re-evaluate their procedure. We are supposed to trust them.
Pontius Pilate did not want to arrest, try, and crucify Jesus of Nazareth. Public opinion and an angry mob made him.
Boy do I disagree. I wasn't there last night but I thought Piers interview was horrible. He kept stating "facts" that were not facts. I thought Zimmerman's brother was a better speaker, remained calmer, and made more sense than Morgan. And I must add that I still am not convinced one way or the other.
I DON'T KNOW if Zimmerman continued to follow Martin or not, that is the bottom line here. The story Zimmerman's brother gave is not implausible, even though Morgan tried to keep saying over and over that it was. But I was not there and do not know the facts, as Morgan seems to be claiming as if he were there. The point about it making no sense for Zimmerman to be talking to 911 operators and then targeting and shooting Martin is actually a pretty good point. I'm not sure what to believe because, and, just like Piers Morgan, I do not have all the facts and I was not there.
Who cares about remaining calm, when there is a CRIME VICTIM, the media personalities tend NOT TO remain calm (and understandably so), when they are face to face with someone who is making outrageous claims that are not true, in defense of a CRIMINAL.
"the media personalities tend NOT TO remain calm (and understandably so)"
You must just LOVE Nancy Grace. lol
I would like to know the FACTS of the case. Are the authorities doing the job they should be doing?
There are FACTS that should have been obtained by now, whether or not the authorities choose to release them to the media:
-If George Zimmerman was truly being assaulted the way he described (with Trayvon on his chest, beating his head into the cement), WHY was Travyon Martin found FACE DOWN, with his hands UNDER HIS BODY, according to the police report?
-Why was there NO blood from the victim soaking Zimmerman's shirt, if Trayvon was shot while Zimmerman was being "assaulted"?
-Was a toxic screen performed on Zimmerman the hour of the shooting, the way a toxic screen was apparently eventually performed on Trayvon's dead body? If so, what were the results?
-WHERE exactly on his head and WHAT is the medical professional's characterization of the alleged head wounds of Zimmerman, and do they confirm his STORY?
2 Questions after listening to Brother Zimmy:
1) If Trayvon is sitting on his chest and holding his mouth and nose shut as brother Robert states on Piers Morgan..how is he physically able to see a gun in George's waistband and state "you are going to die tonight" reaching for his gun as father Robert states to a Fox affiliate?
2) If Trayvon is covering George's mouth, how is it George that is so loudly screaming for help on the 911 tapes?
Actually a witness, a real one – not hearsay – indicated he saw Trayvon face down and Zimmerman on him, then stand still straddling him. The witness turned away for a moment but heard (did not see) the gunshot, and saw the larger man – walk away. So, honestly – if he's on top of him and the teen is face down – the threat is no longer present and he killed an unarmed person, that he had pinned down. How he got there is moot.
I'm not an American and nor do I have all the "facts" that the attorney's may have but, has anyone ever considered the notion that maybe the young man did attack Zimmerman (hold on....)? Maybe he felt threatened that "some creppy man" was following him around and felt that he had to defend "himself" against a possible criminal. Because this is completely plausible, my question becomes, "Then didnt that give the young man the right to beat Zimmerman senseless? Zimmerman brought this upon himself and if you cant understand that, imagine if your youngest daughter was walking "where ever", and a creepy man was stalking her...!!! Most of you would be proud to know that although she passed away as a result of the tussle, she at least gave it her best shot to evade hime. It may not be clear cut but once Zimmerman played the role of a Policemen (or aggresser) he had brought the ENTIRE situation upon himself. The world is watching and general opinion is that your history has taught many of you nothing.
The problem with the US right now is sorting out the good guys, the bad guys and the merely stupid. This one may end up with both being in the latter category. However; Zimmerman has the additional burden of playing cop and bringing the gun to the party...
Jeret – this is what I believe. Mind you, while Zimmerman was a member of A neighborhood watch, this ... was not the neighborhood he was assigned to. So, let's set the stage > a man, spots a youth > gets out of his vehicle > tells the police this person is suspect > then even after being told to not follow > does. Now, following – I'm pretty sure would be obvious at some point to the Youth. We also know Zimmerman's brother on another video, indicated his brother only shot this youth, when he reached for the gun in Zimmerman's waist band. However, the girl friend indicated on the phone, her boyfriend was being chased. So here we have introduced two heresay – based upon what the victim and the murder told others. Because of what these two added, the chase must of came first. Then, when they stopped, how close was Zimmerman so that he could feel the teen tried to grab at his gun. Then you have a witness that saw the young man on the ground, face down – and Zimmerman getting up, still straddling, shooting and walking away. Where and how was Trayvon shot? What if Trayvon was a female – how outraged would we be knowing Zimmerman stalked a young girl. Why is this different?
Great points to consider. Youre right, if this had happened to a young female, the outrage would have been, in my opinion, deafening. But as you posed, "why should this matter?" This is why I brought up the part about American history. repeating itself? You guys are a powder keg and the match is lit, however Im not so sure that many of the trouble makers (all sides) are not ready for the "what comes next." My point? Cooler, SMARTER heads must prevail soon. I believe that wonderful Florida special prosecutor took a HUGE first step in doing so. Let's see who follows suit.
I am very saddened by the racism and ignorance surrounding this case. This case had absolutely nothing to do with race and has only given the black community one more incident to add to their "victim" parade. This is a case of an overzealous community activist. If anything comes of this it should be laws to restrict the carrying firarms to the grocery store. My heart goes out to Trayvon and his family for his tragic death. The real problem here is not racism, I do not believe George is racist. Do i believe he is a profiler, yes. I believe that he live in an area where alot of crimes are commited by black youths. Do I believe that when he saw this black youth with his hoodie up walking around the area he thought he was a possible robber, yes I do. I believe he thought he was protecting his community against crime. It is a horrible tragedy that he had a gun that night. I sure wish he hadn't and that he would have just recieved a beating from this kid that he mistakenly chased. What the black community and the media has done since this tragedy is also a tragedy, putting pictures all over the media of a small child,mug shots of Zimmerman, none of this makes any sense. Why bring race in it when it doesnt have to be, if you ask me this is what is keeping racism going. Doesnt matter what colors these people were, it is a tragedy, that is that. Laws need to be made, in my opinion, it is gun laws. But, atleast, it was a legal gun. How many children are killed by unregistered guns every day by stray bullets in the drug crimes committed evry second on our srteets. Why arent these children's pictures plastered all over the media???? Are these not tragedies as well?? Why arent all these celebrities and even the president talking about these and demanding answers? Why arent these people names and adresses plastered on twitter and facebook so "justice" can be carried out.
@Mo3, not sure what generation of American you are but Blacks in this country have been victimized for too long in this country. Im expecting them to get "fed" up, wouldnt you. I mean, youre sounding off about this event right now. What if it kept happening to you? Would you, as you suggest, lie quiet and allow these things to continue to occur. Let me fill you in, When children that arent blond hair and blue eyed come up missing (although far too many that doesnt fit that description do), do you hear them complaining? Have you seen your countrys Youtube postings (young white males/females post some of the most hateful stuff I've witnessed) do you complain then? It's just odd that theyre always bringing attention to the same stuff (inequality, unfair practices etc). Oh and please dont try the Welfare, Jail and murder rates that you Americans love to pin on them. Up here, we do many studies on your race relations and societal ills and guess what, in almost every category of what ailes America, whites lead the pack. Who cares if you have the sheer number or that statics provides ratio, sheer numbers tell the REAL story of whats happening there. Maybe you should quit being afraid of "just taking it" and take a lesson from them and learn to rally. Your Tea Party, unions, Occupy movements, etc seems to understand that. Take care and take charge
You know.. I'm stil wondering when my race will be allowed to have their own magazine, TV and Radio channel as well as celebrate a month for us.. and even one of our leaders. Oh, I'm Native American Indian, the race most seems to of forgotten about. The race many seems to think did not suffer .. a bit and is treated 100% equally. Try looking like so many variations of races others hate – and get back to me on that. If anyone dresses up as our race – it's acceptable. Neat huh?
Doodle, believe me when I say, the American Indian has one horrible story to tell. Although it doesnt make up (nothing could) for what happened, at least your government gives you TAX FREE status, housing, schooling and plethera of "other" benefits that NOT TOO many other non native Americans have. Im not belittling your people but where is your voice? When was the last time you guys rallied for injustices or have you falllen for the white American mantra of "Good citizens don't complain, they just take it and keep moving on"? Doodle, take your passion to the streets and face whomever is systematically holding you down and tell them youre not going to take it anymore.... People (white and black) have been great at doing so. Your call.
I am okay with this. If we have to tolorate the 2nd Amendment freaks and the NRA mission to put a gun in every pocket, then perhaps this will get the people out there packing a piece to think twice. If the charges bear up then Zimmerman ought to be a casualty for all the pretend to be cops to thinks twice.
"You don't call the police in order to go commit murder"
The charge isnt 1st degree murder though so your comment is irrelevant.
Perhaps his brother is willing to chip in to paying the fat wrongful death lawsuit coming Zimmerman's way?
Is George Zimmerman a cop? He's not? Then he has no business getting out of his car (against the direction of the 9-1-1 operator) to confront "sketch" figures.
Obviously his brother's keeper. Too bad they are both craven liars.
They need to lock away this psycho and throw away the key. He wanted to murder, and he did. If he had a tazer on him instead of a gun, nobody would have been killed. And why did he chase Trayvon–seemingly for no reason, except a lust for murder–even after the police told him NOT to??? This Zimmerman guy is a paranoid psychotic and should be thrown in jail. End of story.
The murder was committed on February 26th.
The perpetrator was finally jailed and charged on April 11th.
What that Martin family must have gone through to have to figth tooth and nail for that little semblance of justice!
Disgusting. The Sanford police should be investigated, and there should be heads rolling!
It is likely that if Zimmerman had intended to threaten him, he would have done so by showing the gun. There, it is likely that no explicit threats were made. If Travon Martin is intelligent as indicated by his background, he would not have assaulted a man brandishing a gun. He obviously thought he had the upper hand when he broke Zimmerman's nose and began bashing his head in the sidewalk (supported by the evidence), which can easily result in death by head trauma.
There was likely poor judgment involved by the actions of both of them. However, when someone is in the process of taking your life by physical assault you either react with deadly force, you escape or risk death where you get no second chances. Zimmerman was pinned on the sidewalk and escape was not an option so he killed Mr. Martin.
NONE of us know the real evidence in this case; therefore, NONE of us should be judging one side or the other. But I will say that if one chooses to lawfully carry a gun and then feel the need to use it, then one must be willing to be investigated and be able to prove what / how / why it needed to be used. Zimmerman has cooperated, charges have been filed and the rest of this will play out in court (as it should). Everyone needs to calm down and let our justice system work. Again, NONE of us know all of the facts. Stop judging!
Wow can a broken nose heal that fast? I dont even see any bruising.
Blacks are guilty of running a lynch mob and should be arrested as such. They are making threats to Zimmerman's life and everyone knows it. To me, the blacks are the ones showing the bigotry and not the other way around.
Who are the Blacks???
..."The Blacks????"
The problem with his brother's and anyone else's account is that they were not there. His brother is only repeating what George told him, so you may as well be talking to George.
I would tend to agree with you with one exception...okay, maybe two:
1. Robert Zimmerman is doing way too much improvisation and speculation.
2. There are undisputed facts that people like Robert are ignoring (e.g., that Trayvon was followed by his killer)
Sadly his brother and his friend Taffe who is on tv everyday may be doing more bad than good. If I as a potential juror hear one blow by blow account of what happened then i get into the courtroom and hear something else then I have to wonder what the truth is . his brother really needs to be quiet.
NOBODY IS MORERACISTTHAN BLACK PEOPLE, I LIVE IN A BLACK COMMUNITY, HIGH IN CRIME, BAD NEIGHBORN.
you are a thug. are you in American legally?
Why not move to a more suitable community or......?
This guy is only hurting his brother with his comments. I get that he want's to defend his brother because he loves him, but he is stating facts that are based in the bias he has for his brothers side of the story. Time to let this play out in court and see what shakes out. The people charging his brother would not have brought charges if they felt he was innocent and did nothing wrong. Maybe Zimmerman should have admitted he made a mistake instead of making a story that created this huge firestorm. Time for the courts to decide.
Zimmerman is a coward and had to hide behind a gun. What cha gonna do in jail? Gonna have to use your fists or get beaten to death.
Why are people making this about race. 95% of the time an unarmed person is killed there is an arrest. There are alot of murders sadly but what made this case stand out was how quickly they pushed it under the rug. All people should be outraged by a death that was not thoroughly investigated. All races and all political persuations should be outraged. Why would a conservative not be outraged by this. You cant just kill a person and offer a self serving statement about it and nobody investigate it. That's silly. This is how you know this country is silly. So just because I am a republican I can't get on tv or comment about how wrong I think this is . so its your team vs. my team . Your race vs. My race. We have to be the stupidest country on the planet.
if he had a broken nose and head, it would have showed up on the first video and mug shot. Clearly, there was no injury (s) that would justify using deadly force. That is why the state is applying 2nd degree. They are confident the facts will show this was just a hate crime. He will have to watch his back for uears in prison if he survives that long.
Sanford PD was just covering for the little twerp. CNN reported last night, his father and grand father were both law enforcement at one time. Zimm was a cop wanabee. and was well liked by PD. They are in hot water.
"If" Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and smashing his head in the ground when he shot him, where is the blood on Zim's shirt? I'm pretty sure with a point blank shot to the chest there will be some blood. He seems to have shot him after the fight was over.
Also, "Stand your ground" means stay where you are, not go after someone. I think George tried to intimadate Trayvon, started a fight, then when he started losing, pulled the trigger.
if they grant him bail this afternoon, it will be a Casey Anthony drama all over again. He will be swept away in a blacked out SUV and hidden until court. Oh Nancy, you will be in heaven tonight!
He can speak because he was there.OH that is right his brother told him what happened.
I'm an American and I'm black. I'm not African, I'm a black man who lives in America. Al Sharpton is an embarrassment and a lowlife; his representation of my race is akin to Rush Limbaugh representing white people.
This nation is tired of racism and this case and the media ARE the race issue. Race will always be an issue until the media decides it is not. The system needs race to form groups. Groups are much easier to target for “special interest” advantages and that is why they exist.
Had Trayvon killed Zimmerman we’d know nothing of the incident. Had Trayvon been Hispanic, the case would have made the local news, at best.
If Zimmerman killed Trayvon, he committed a crime. Hyperbole and politics creates a race crime. Why is it not a race crime when a black targets a black? I’ve seen it, I’ve even lived it!
If Zimmerman is acquitted, he should be allowed to sue any media outlet that fueled this fire. If he is guilty, he should hang.
...Ok, OK, OK! I'm not black but it felt good getting my point(s) across.
Excellent post...............until you felt the need to discredit yourself!
This is all very sad. Both of these guys were no angels ... but one of them is dead. Let's just get to the facts in trial and find out what happened to the best of our ability.
casey anthony DID NOT call the police and lied about everything, then was proven INNOCENT for murder!!! we all know if she didn't kill her daughter, she would have called 911 as soon as she "drowned" or whatever accident happened.
All of this is sad, because you see people talking about "facts", but the only indisputable one is that a kid is dead and was shot Zimmerman. Now from that point, there is reason for a lot of things: sadness, outrage over race issues because of WHY this kid was pursued, fear because of the perceptions involved, etc. But to sit here and pick a certain side and sound off with some type of convicted bravado is crazy, especially when it's falsely based on "facts". You are looking past the facts when you know your opinion is based on your per-conceptions and convictions over this case. Calling a kid a "thug" without facts, rooting FOR Zimmerman without facts, acting as if he is not guilty and did not deserve to be arrested without facts. This is why public opinion is a wash, because the public has no clue of what objectivity is....we just all process from our slanted views. Court was justified in this case, and that along with the only other indisputable fact, is a fact! You all can keep your negative opinions, because they only make YOU look silly...and does not affect this case in any way, shape or form.
I bet it was difficult for Piers to bite his tongue for as long as he did. I would have snapped too. You can only pretend to understand both side of the arguments for so long. Eventually you just realize that a boy is dead and there is no disputing that.
His brother was NOT there to speak of this matter and His brother will say anything to protect him. Lets allow the justice system to hear both sides and make a decision based on FACTS. It's Sad that the only person that can defend himself is DEAD and If it were our own Son then how would we feel. NOBODY deserved to Die and this has to Stop or People will be dieing for no good reasons. GUNS should never have been a part of this story..there are tazers and so many more weapons to stop a person.
Cecil I'm glad you know 90% of the world to make such a claim
Here's all I know:
Zimmerman called 911 upon seeing somebody in a hoodie.
911 Dispatch told Zimmerman to back off and wait for the police to arrive.
Zimmerman didn't do that and pursued Travyon while armed.
Zimmerman and Trayvon got into a scuffle.
Zimmerman's gun went off.
Trayvon got killed.
NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN LISTENED TO THE 911 DISPATCHER.
Everything is else pure speculation and opinion. Zimmerman didn't listen to 911 and made a bad (and deadly) decision. There are consequences for making poor decisions like that and Zimmerman has to face up to them. PERIOD.
Don't play the race card....don't doctor the 911 tape....don't dig up Trayvon's past....don't dig up Zimmerman's past.....don't go posting the wrong contact data on Twitter (HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE, SPIKE!?!?!?)...and for the love of God, stop making more out of this than it has to be.
This is just an unfortunate situation. Piers is right, Martin would still be alive if Zimmerman didn't play rent a cop. For that, he SHOULD be charged. I think 2nd degree murder is a bit far, but then again I am not the prosecutor, and I have no idea what other information they might have. Anyone stil talking about race needs to stop. It detracts from the facts in this case. It doesn't matter what color Martin was, he was killed because of someone else's willfull ignorance. Also, what does smoking pot have to do with violence?? Marijuana is a pacifying drug. Go smoke a bowl, and then tell me how much you feel like raging on someone. You smoke weed for the euphoric, calming effects. The most I want to assualt after I smoke marijuana is a bag of Cheetos.
Linda I would not confront someone following me I would run and get to a safe place and call the police. If hypothetically speaking Trayvon confronted Zimmerman for following that says that he is not afraid of Zimmerman and that he wanted to start something ...people have mentioned why didn't Zimmerman stay in his car (which we don't know ) well why didn't Trayvon walk quickly or run I would and I think most people would if a stranger was following them but Trayvon mentions in the call that he would slow down that is not reaction of someone who is scared. The question here is not whether Trayvon was foolowed because Hello thats Zimmermans job the question is who confronted who and most importantly who physically started the fight because things don't add up. This is not fact but it makes sense if Zimmerman may have kept a visual on him was confronted by Trayvon thinking he can take him, a fight broke out and someone is dead
Look people who are defending Zimmerman need to get way more realistic. MEN: Consider this for yourself. Say you are walking down the street and a man get out of the truck on his phone. Is watching you and then starts describing you to someone. He doesn't identify himself but you do realized this man has just identified you...You decide to run because he seems like he is picking you out for some odd purpose. Before you can get home this man chases you "in the dark" down a dark alley. Wouldln't you be afraid for your life? So if you do decide to attack this man wouldn't it be you defending yourself? You hadn't chased this man...he was chasing you. How can it be that this man can claim self defense when he was chasing you? Also, why would this man carry a gun to follow you if he didn't think he would need to use it. Now I know some women may not understand this but boys are raised to not be cowards...So if you are being stalked, at night, by a man with a gun...Wouldn't it be reasonable to attack this man. You are in a neighborhood you do not know, the man has clearly shown his intent to cease you in someway...(remember serial killers do things like this) So a 17 yr old is probably gonna yell (911 tapes) and fight. Now Zimmerman may have had good, protective intentions, but he intiated this...Not Martin. So he must bere the resposibility and pay for his crime. Is he a cold blooded murderer...I don't think so but he still killed a boy who had done nothing. All people have the right to defend themselves when threatened and Zimmerman should have given Martin the same respect as an American that he would expect himself. People say Martin could have been trying to break into those houses like other young boys had been doing prior...and that would seem to make sense but Martin was in Miami living with his mother while all this was happening. Meaning he couldn't have possibly been involved with all of that. Yes that boy got into trouble but all kids get into trouble...He did not deserve to be targeted, chased and killed based of speculation.
how can his brother know what his brothers intent was...he was following even after being told not to to..he scared this young man as would all of us would be..if not for that there would not have been a deadly act commited and this young man would still be with us....
Go Piers. These guys are gonna lie for him just like Casey Anthonys family did. Duh.
If Robert Zimmerman is being biased, jumping to unwarranted assumptions and playing to his prejudices, it's kind of understandable. He is defending his brother. What's your excuse Mr Morgan.
I understand a family member wanting to support and speak well for the accuser
BUT DAMN!!! on and on and on AS THOUGH he was there? simply repeating a story told to him MEANS NOTHING!
Piers? Just don't know about you at all!
Maybe you need to learn from those journalists/interviewers who have EARNED THE PUBLIC'S RESPECT (assertiveness is good!)
what makes this a race war??? when people refuse to see the action of a george z as a hate crime... how do you FOLLOW somebody when you are afriad for your life?? If Mr zimmerman had stood his ground like the Law said Mr Trayvon would be alive today?? i think this is more of an indictment on us americans than a race issue.....
To me this isn't solely about race; the dispatcher told him "not to pursue" he did exactly the opposite. Just like any animal, man or otherwise if your cornered and you have no where to go (stranger in a strange land) you will strike back! If your unarmed and they are, good luck. If Trayvon had successfully defended himself and killed Zimmerman instead, than this would've been self defense as well. Not sure how a person with a criminal history can even own a concealed weapon to begin with?! If he is cleared of this; heaven help those victims of assaults by perps or stalkers because if you are killed by them, they can claim self defense seeing you fought back. Self defense.
Robert Zimmerman is heartless, sneaky, and does not answer the questions he's asked in this interview. If he went on the show to help his brother and earn him some good will, he failed miserably and made things worse. No apology, no compassion or kindness for Trayvon Martin and his family.
CNN is a liberal one sided group of communist and won't let all posts thru
Also I want to know what ammo it was?one shot with a 9 mm to stop a thug in his tracks? I would have loved to see the flicker in that thugs eye as he beat Zimmerman got popped in the chest and as he stepped back and I quote from PD report " OK you got me" then he faded away, this proves he was a bully. He knew he was done and it should happen more often. Mabie you black bullies would realize if you mess with anyone you are gonna die you might stop?
Robert Zimmerman is a creep and a liar just like his brother the killer. He has a different version every time he speaks. He and the racist dummy "Frank" are spinning their lies in an attempt to tarnish a future jury. Do they really think reasonable people believe Trayvon "snuck up on his brother" as he put it? What happened is a NO Brainer Robert. Your weirdo brother was creeping around the neighborhood with his gun like he probably did every night and after he hung up with 911 he chased the teen, tried to detain him, which is a crime and then when Trayvon fought back which any reasonable person would do when being attacked by a stranger, he shot him point blank in the chest George immediately started spinning his lies when he told the officers at the scene "he was screaming for help but nobody helped him" knowing full well people heard the teen screaming for dear life. Thankfully the 911 calls picked up the screams that are clearly Trayvon begging for help, not George! The reason the 2nd degree charge came in is because a boy was begging for help and George callously shot him dead. I hope he gets life!! And I'm a white middle class mother of teen boys!!
Andra you show how dumb you are. Florida law states you can detain someone for the police who is trespassing. This area was not your typical neghibor hood, it was gated which makes it private property. Just as some apartment complexes if you don't live there you are trespassing. Tryvon was a thug who was a menace to society. He deserved what he got. You wanna be a thug and jump people you deserve to get shot. I guess none of you liberal tards have ever been attacked by a black hoodrat? The waste of flesh blacks will riot no matter of guilty or not guilty.
No, your the dumb one you pathetic excuse for a jack a$$!! It's ignorant people like you who perpetuate and fan the flames of hatred and intolerance.
It's easy to see that you & other racist posters here are the kind of persons who will swear he sees red when it's clearly blue to the rest of the world just to serve your own prejudices.
Anyone who posts on here (Andra) and pretends to know what happened that night is pathetic and dumb. There is only one person alive that knows the truth. Hopefully the evidence will prove one way or another but until that happens....none of us know what happened. So, with that being said, these people on here spreading hatred and racism are pathetic and dumb, both sides!! To say that it was Zimmerman or the the teen on the 911 tapes, are you serious, you know that and if you do, how do you know, were you there that night? None of this has been determined as of yet, and if it has then it has certainly not been released to the media or the middle class white mothers of teens sitting home reading cnn and the rest of what the media feeds us. They feed us what they know will sell their newspapers. To all these people calling Trayvon a thug, shame on you! To all these people calling Zimmerman and racist, shame on you! Trayvon may have been in trouble in school but that does not make him a thug or even a bad kid. Zimmerman may have been an overexcited community watch member who was hell bent on protecting his neighborhood but it does not make him a murderer. Did he kill Trayvon? Unfortunately he did, it is a horrible tragedy but I do not believe it was premeditated and that he was toting that gun around just waiting for some black kid in a hoodie. This tragedy was made out to be some racist act when it was not. There are thousands of murders every day. Millions of our children are shot down in the streets every day by stray bullets meant for drug dealers or rival gang members, these children are black, white, brown, all colors. Where is the media attention for all these murders, where are the celebrities twittering about these tragedies? Why isnt the president speaking about these children?? What is special about this murder?? My heart goes out to this family who have lost a child and also to the family of Zimmerman who is suffering at the hands of all these lunatic black activists who have made it their job to leave wrong addresses on social media sites and have made it known that they want this man dead. Let's not bring racism on the fore front when it doesnt need to be. This wasnt a racist act. He was guilty of profiling because this innocent child seemed to fit the description of persons that HAD commited crimes in the neighborhood. Should this man be punished, absolutely, but i do not believe he intended to murder this child that night or anyone else. I belive he felt at the time that he was protecting his own life. The tragedy is that people feel the need to carry a gun to the grocery store. If he hadnt had the gun, he would have gotten his ass handed to him and rightfully so. Hopefully he would have learned that it is not worth getting out of your car to pursue who you think is a criminal especially when you didnt even witness a crime. As I said, I wish this didnt happen but it did and there is nothing we can do know, but making this a race issue and bringing all the nuts out of the woodwork isnt helping any of us. I am glad that my children are growing up in a better world where they do not see the color of someones skin, they see a person, please can we keep it that way. Dont let one murder turn this around for us.
First of all I would never respond back to a poster who is preacher racism and hatred, so I'm just going to respond to Mo3. I agree with you that all murder victims should get the same compassion and attention. I wish they would. Ask the media why they don't, not my fault! I would defend all of them! Why did Casey Anthony make the new every night for 2 years when parents kill their kids everyday in this country. For some reason the media decided to run with that story just like the Trayvon killing. I'm speaking as a mother with teenagers, I want them to feel safe to walk home at dusk without being approached by strangers. This is the USA and all people regardless of their color are free to walk about. I don't know for sure what happened that night and yes only Zimmerman knows exactly what happened, but he's telling a self serving story and the other guy is dead. But just listening to the 911 calls, you can tell a lot. Zimmerman himself said the boy was running away. It was only a few moments after that you hear the neighbors phone calls to 911 with someone screaming for help......blood curdling screams and fter the shot it was dead silence. Two audio experts already stated that it was not Zimmerman screaming and I trust science. It had to be the boy screaming and why would he be screaming for help if he just jumped someone? Zimmerman's story does not ring true, but he will have his day in court. Maybe if he's lucky, the Casey Anthony jurors will all be available again.
Or...you DO call the police in hopes that your brother (or someone) will go on CNN and say, "You don't call the police if you plan to...yadda yadda". We THE PEOPLE have a very good idea of what transpired here; based on the evidence released, and (most of us) are very open to any new evidence that might change our mind....but until then, please don't tell us what a person will and will not do in regards to a 911 call. Most of us took psych 101 many years ago; and that premeditated call has a very thin veneer.
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