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June 28th, 2012
10:30 PM ET

Charles Blow to Katie Plavich amidst Obamacare debate: "The truth will set you free!"

In the aftermath of Thursday's dramatic decision by the Supreme Court, this evening "Piers Morgan Tonight" welcomed a host of experts, analysts, and industry insiders to add their perspective on the health care law.

Joining Piers Morgan live, "The New York Times" columnist Charles Blow shared his thoughts on what he classified as "disingenuous" reactions from those opposing Obamacare:

"This is a tax they're not even going to have to pay," insisted Blow. "The idea that you are now championing for these people, the very people who all of the Republican policies basically take a knock at, is ridiculous!"

In her response, conservative columnist Katie Plavich suggested that Blow said Obamacare was not a tax, an accusation to which he objected:

"Who said that?" he asked. "What we won't be doing, is putting words in somebody else's mouth...the truth will set you free!"

As the best-selling author of "Fast and Furious" continued, things once again turned lively:

"Now, going back to the point, what you made, that Republicans shouldn't be championing health care and all of this for minorities and poor people..." Plavich began.

And again, Blow jumped in:

"I didn't say they shouldn't be!"

Frustrated with being cutting off, Pavlich pleaded: "Stop interrupting me!"

"You're not going to say things that are not true on the air and attribute them to me, and then expect me to sit silently by," warned Blow. "Not going to happen."

"I'm speaking to people listening, I'm not talking to you, Mr. Blow," came Pavlich's final effort, before the segment exhausted it's allotted time.

Watch the clip, and listen to the panel, as representatives from both sides of the argument debate one of the most polarizing and divisive issues in modern American politics.
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  1. Ken Carrothers

    I have to tell you that as an outsider, this whole "ObamaCare" debate strikes me as hilarious! The most powerful economy in the world, the most powerful military power in the world, supposedly the richest nation in the world, and almost 50 million of your people have no health care provisions? And apparently most of you think this is OK?????

    I listened to your telephone interview with Rick Santorum who explains to us that of the 60 odd countires that have Universal Health Care are all screwed up, than none of them operate properly, and that only the USA has this figured out???? Too bad this mental midget didn't get the Republican Nomination. Nice of him to point out that everyone except the USA is out of step.

    Here's an update for you Rick. As a Canadian of 61 years, I've been covered by Universal Health Care all my life. Every time I needed to go to the doctor, it was covered, at ZERO expense to me. I have Government health care for my family which costs me $74.00 per month.

    Four years ago, I had an accident at home and suffered a severe injury to my knee. I needed an ambulance to transport me to the hospital, and had to pay the $50.00 ambulance fee. My supplementary medical plan which costs me $4.00 per month reimbursed 80% of this cost. I spent 3 days in hospital, and had an operation by an orthopaedic surgeon to reattach the quadraceps tendon to my kneecap. The cost to me..... ZERO....

    Last April, my wife needed emergency surgery for a detached retina. She arrived at the Vancouver General Hospital, a world renowned teaching hospital, on Good Friday. The surgeons operated on her Good Friday, on Saturday, on Easter Sunday, and again on Easter Monday. Over the course of 4 weeks, she had a total of 7 surgeries on her eyes. The cost to us..... ZERO. She's made four follow-up visits for further surgeries. She also had another surgery to replace the lens in her eye because a cataract had developed as a result of the laser surgeies. The total cost to us: $450.00 for the upgrade to a higher quality lensthan that which was covered by the basic medical. My supplementary medical from my retirement plan reimbursed 80% of this.

    I'm not going to tell you that our Canadian Health Care system is perfect – it is not. For surgery such as knee replacements, hip replacements, and other non-emergencysurgeries, we have long waiting lists. But for basic care and emergency care, EVERY Canadian citizen is covered. NOBODY goes without medical care, and it is AFFORDABLE.

    But Rick Santorum tells us that we Canadians, and the 59 other countries with Universal Health Care are all screwed up, and only the USA and Mit Romney know how to do this properly????? How arrogant can you possibly get?

    June 28, 2012 at 11:17 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  2. mia pratt

    IT’S ABOUT THE JOBS! The health care initiative will create more jobs than we’ve seen since the dot.com...nurses, x-ray techs, claims processors, medical transcribers, delivery drivers, laundry services...plus huge sales increases for small businesses manufacturing the products and equipment needed to serve the millions of people who will now begin to use the health care system. If we train the unemployed to full those jobs, their payroll taxes will fill the coffers with funds again. So why is NO ONE talking about this? If Obama wants to win the election...just show them the country the money!

    June 29, 2012 at 12:23 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Robert Perk

      Mia...these so called jobs and services you are talking about will have to be funded and completely paid for by taxpayers. This is another welfare program, but the most unsustainable kind. This is a complete lose lose situation. This country is Bankrupt and going down quickly. We need a complete overhaul of the insurance industry, full pension reform, extend the requirements of state and federal jobs to 40-45 years before anyoone is eligible to collect a reduced pension, an overhaul of congress and the entire political arena, social programs need to be severely reduced, etc. This country must operate a balanced budget immediately. If I tried to run my personal finances for 2 years the way this country has been running them for the last 30 I would literally be in jail right now. There is NO such thing as "free money"! When people say the gov't is picking up the tab it really means you and I are in the form of hidden taxesand/ or burdensome and dangerous debt. If you can find a way to pay for it, by all means we should have it. Nobody wants to make the sacrifices necessary in order to actually afford this.

      June 29, 2012 at 1:04 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • w sowerby

      every country that has tried this has failed,what makes you think there will be more jobs,you will loose doctors from this ,and the machinery you think will be made here will come from china.wake up and smell the roses.this will be the largest tax increase on what is left of the middle class,or should i say the working poor.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  3. Valerie

    Health Care Bill Comment.... Sure, health insurance companies may take us with pre-existing conditions, and allow us to pay large monthly premiums, but that does not mean the ins co will pay for the doctor visits and meds that are from a pre-exisiting condition. That is happening to me as we speak.... I am forced to pay for these fees out of pocket! Is anyone talking about that!

    June 29, 2012 at 12:40 am | Report abuse | Reply
  4. renegade98

    Piers, I am disappointed in that you did not allow Charles Blow to correct the mistakes Katie Plavich made about what he said. It was obvious, I watched it. Why do conservatives always do that? Can't these conservatives deal with the facts instead of spinning everything. It's interesting to watch because every time they disagree or say they didn't say something, they all get this kind of smile on their faces and start to move their heads from side to side.

    June 29, 2012 at 12:53 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Robet Perk

      No offense...Charles Blow is a mindless twit and a rude reactionist at that. This man has no social graces and no original thoughts.

      June 29, 2012 at 1:06 am | Report abuse | Reply
      • Ruslan

        Years ago I was on standby, but not caelld. If ever caelld, it will be an honor and privilege to help someone. A close cousin of mine joined later than me, but was caelld upon and gave, and saved a life. I am so proud of her and all others who have given as well as those who are on standby to step up and give.

        July 31, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • PVinAZ

      Piers needs a mute button to shut people up when others are given their turn to talk. It's so painful to listen to two people talking over each other without thinking they are both childish idiots

      June 29, 2012 at 4:05 am | Report abuse | Reply
  5. Romneycare = Tax = End of story

    I keep wondering how Romney fooled the Tea Party.
    Can't wait to see him defend Romneycare tax in a debate with Obama.

    June 29, 2012 at 12:56 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • wsowerby

      romney did not put this healthcare forced upon you,obama did you twit he taxes the middle class to get his way and doing it is his biggest lie.are all americans this deaf,or just the select few.european countries and canada have heath care packages and they are all failling.i came from canada and have wathed the healthcare there go down the tubes.where do you think all the doctors came from ,not from a medical school here,from canada and the european nations now they will leave here and go else where.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse | Reply
      • PD

        He is "forcing" it on the USA the same way Mitt did,-insure or pay a fine. Now, take a deep breath and relax, and tone down the name calling, you'll live longer and won't need any of that evil healthcare

        July 4, 2012 at 4:50 am | Report abuse |
  6. John

    Katie Plavich was one of the worst analysts you have ever had on your program – unbelievably biased and dishonest with many comments presented as fact. I look to CNN for far higher quality, objective programming and news reporting than that. You can do much better. I sincerely hope she does not return.

    June 29, 2012 at 12:57 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • Lynn

      John: I agree completely, Ms Katie Plavich made a fool of herself. I chaulk this up to youth. She came off like someone on a reality show.

      June 29, 2012 at 3:52 am | Report abuse | Reply
  7. Kenny Cambridge

    Gov. Deval Patrick spoke eloquently last night on what the Supreme Court decision affirmed. Yet this morning the interview with Gov. Patrick is just about the only video from the show last night that is not available on the CNN / Piers Morgan website. Please correct that oversight. Gov. Patrick's words are well worth sharing and making available to anyone who missed them.

    June 29, 2012 at 8:36 am | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Jennifer

    It blows my mind that anyone would listen to either of these people. However, Charles Blow was the worst offender. He is not only arrogant, but rude and completely unprofessional. Not to mention, his words were incorrect. EVERYONE that doesn't have healthcare will see this 'tax' – That is what the Supreme Court ruled. The IRS will collect – and the government will go on mismanaging our hard earned money.

    June 29, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  9. nate

    Here's an blog article about some of the comments made by Charles Blow in this interview. Challenges some of the claims he makes about the Healthcare case.

    http://purple-curtain.blogspot.com/2012/07/obamacare-upheld-but-not-vindicated_01.html

    July 1, 2012 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  10. Muhammad

    Despite the amount of money spent on unutagraddree and graduate degrees I still get confused by the legislative process. I thought both the senate and the house would need to vote on it but perhaps just the senate this time? From what I've read, the senate hasn't yet voted on the extension but the majority agree to extend the credit.

    July 31, 2012 at 11:00 am | Report abuse | Reply
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