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May 15th, 2013
10:53 PM ET

Donald Rumsfeld on Piers Morgan's signature debate segment: "Why do you call this 'The Grill'?"

As Washington and Barack Obama continue to aggressively address the scandal surrounding the IRS's inappropriate practice of targeting the Tea Party and other conservative political groups, Donald Rumsfeld joined Piers Morgan in studio for a live, face to face interview.

"Why do you call this 'The Grill'?" blurted Rumsfeld, referencing the host's signature debate segment.

"That's a little arrogant, isn't it? To suggest that you're grilling people as opposed to having a discussion?" asked the former Secretary of Defense.

"I don't think I'll take arrogant lectures from you Donald Rumsfeld," quipped a slightly chagrined Morgan, before ultimately earning Rumsfeld's insight on the IRS scandal.

"Nobody likes it. The people who aren't even targeted don't like it," said the man who served under both the Gerald Ford and George W. Bush administrations. "It's also illegal, anti-democratic and inexcusable and it should be dealt with in a very, very firm way."

Watch the clip, and listen to the interview, as Rumsfeld tells Morgan that along with the firing of the acting chief of the IRS, "I think some people may end up going to jail."
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  1. DiannaKW

    I would love to know why we are asking the likes of Donald Rumsfeld about transparency and honesty in government! Really???? Is this not the person who tried to get Nixon to go in to Iraq, and when Nixon said no because there was no way out waited another 40 years to build the perfect alliance for the same agenda? Sold a war based upon WMD there? I think CNN must be suffering from "historical amnesia!"

    May 15, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • shepherdgregory

      Hi Dianna.

      Interesting he worked for Gerry Ford,and may well be he felt spurned,and was biding his time,perhaps evinced by him
      putting the 400-page dossier he was handed at the outset of the Iraq War in the bin.

      Has to be done HIS way.

      May 16, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  2. Brian Smith

    Look who is talking!!! Donald Rumsfeld!!! Wow! The most corrupt person among his group!! Rumsfeld was the most corrupt person that ever worked in the White House. This guy is a double-faced politician. I am ashamed that you, Piers Morgan, to invite such people. But I know you are kissing up. You lost me. You should bring people with credibility. Rumsfeld has lost it long time ago. They destroyed America!

    May 16, 2013 at 7:56 am | Report abuse | Reply
  3. Brian Smith

    Look who is talking!!! Donald Rumsfeld!!! Wow! The most corrupt person among his group!! Rumsfeld was the most corrupt person that ever worked in the White House. This guy is a double-faced politician. I am ashamed of you, Piers Morgan, that you invite such people. But I know you are kissing up. You lost me. You should bring people with credibility. Rumsfeld has already lost it. With his own group, they destroyed America!

    May 16, 2013 at 8:00 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • shepherdgregory

      Don't like him either,Brian,but he's doing the rounds punting his book which I've no intention of reading.

      Another day in society:milk the citizen.

      May 16, 2013 at 8:24 am | Report abuse | Reply
  4. Janet K

    Finally, an unemotional analysis with emphasis on the importance of letting the facts come out presented by Donald Rumsfeld with regard to the current issues involving the White House. Regarding his term as Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld did not give excuses for decisions and actions that were taken, rather he explained the reasoning behind why decisions were made. I'm tired of emotional wrangling from both sides and DR seems like one of the few thinking adults in the room. Refreshing.

    May 16, 2013 at 8:08 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • shepherdgregory

      I've no wish to pillory him for the sake of it,Janet,but I find him hard to stomach chiefly for his sanctimonious bleatings on
      how amazed he was by 'precision weaponry',and implying there's NO collateral damage then you see footage of young
      Kabul girls disfigured by shrapnel during the carpet bombing of 2001.

      A chap on another page accuses him of equivocating:nail on the head,my friend,thanks for posting.

      May 16, 2013 at 8:30 am | Report abuse | Reply
  5. Mike

    Rumsfeld loves the attention. Morgan should not have given him a forum.
    He and the other Rep Elites engineered this media blitz against Obama.
    I don't see scandals.
    I see a President that is openly handling things in a proper manner.
    I think this blitz will backfire on the Reps who are desperate to tarnish
    Obama's admin and turn the tide of popular support for the Dems.

    May 16, 2013 at 8:27 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • shepherdgregory

      He'll probably crawl back under his self-righteous rock real soon,Mike.Good riddance.

      May 16, 2013 at 8:32 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • shepherdgregory


      It's ALL politics.

      Think 'House Of Cards' without Michael Dobbs–it writes itself.

      May 16, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  6. Midtown_Girl

    Rumsfield highlighted a good point....the American people want a President that will lead. Clearly, when a crisis hits, Obama heads to his next fundraiser. The Obama administration is a joke.

    May 16, 2013 at 9:04 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • shepherdgregory

      But are the Reps any more reliable or trustworthy in a crisis?

      It's politics,'House Of Cards' for real.

      They ALL want to cover their backs.

      May 16, 2013 at 10:56 am | Report abuse | Reply
  7. Belinda Bell

    Piers Morgan DOES grill people! Specially those that aren't liberals. He is a major shill!

    May 16, 2013 at 10:58 am | Report abuse | Reply
    • william Tell And _____ ___


      A decoy?

      (Did ye know Bell is a HIGHLANDER'S name?Merida would be pleased!)

      May 16, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  8. Highland Laddie

    Strikes me Donald Laddie is the most hated figure in America;I remember when Toby Schiff[The West Wing]was asked in UK who he despised most in society:him.BUT IT WAS HOW HE SAID IT,spitting his name out,disdaining as he said it as if
    objecting to even uttering it.Very telling...interesting he worked for Ford,and you just wonder if he used his second bite at
    the cherry to sell you down the river.Ever feel like you've been had?Very similar animosity toward Blair though more
    vehement with you,and I can understand that.Lot of loss,but you-know-who would still be there otherwise...

    May 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  9. Par Golfer

    Leave it to Morgan to not see the forest for the trees. Facts are facts, and he's defended this administration on EVERYTHING. There is abuse of power at the highest levels in this administration, and no one on CNN wants to hold anyone accountable. It's sickening...not democratic...and dangerous.

    May 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  10. Terry McCue

    What a flacid interview! Piers completly let Rumsfeld off the hook. Alowing him to say that Iraq was in any way justified, whithout any challenge, amounts to more media complicity in the 2nd most horrific criminal war entered into by the US. (Vietnam being the worst) Rumsfeld, Cheney & Bush LIED to the american people to suck us into the war and over 4,000 good americans died for their Lies. The evidence that no WMDs existed was quite conclusive, and the media ( including Piers) went right along with the administrations BS. And now they give Rumsfeld & Cheney a platform to smear anyone they want and to snipe at the present administration over anything. SHAME ON YOU PIERS!

    May 17, 2013 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • shepherdgregory

      Is there ANYONE more unpopular in America?

      (With the exception of Piers Morgan who you seem to watch rather a lot,CNN Haters.)


      May 17, 2013 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse | Reply
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