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Bob Costas on the need for gun legislation: "There's going to be another Aurora, there's going to be another Newtown"
Coming up this evening at 9, Piers Morgan invites Bob Costas to join him in studio for a wide-ranging, primetime interview that is equal parts wildly entertaining, and completely candid.
As part of an hour-long conversation conducted in front of a live audience, the man who's hosted a record nine Olympic games shares his stance on gun control and firearm legislation, offering a response to those that suggest assault weapons with high-capacity magazines are necessary as a means of self-defense:
"They always present this theoretical - 'well, what if there's not one or two invaders to my home, what if there's 10 or 12 and after I've killed the first eight or nine, I need to reload?'," quotes Costas. "Yes, let me know when that happens. And between now and when that happens, sadly, there's going to be another Aurora, there's going to be another Newtown."
Speaking from the heart, with his trademark brand of eloquence and perspective, the eight-time National Sportscaster of the Year award-winner elaborates further on his objection to the notion that increased legislation equals an infringement on one's Second Amendment rights:
"They try and make it sound as if everyone who proposes even the most common sense and moderate gun regulations is really only up to a nefarious game, which is about confiscating their guns so that a tyrannical government will have them at their mercy. Go talk to Gabby Giffords' husband, an astronaut and a gun owner. Talk to the former Phillies and Yankees manager, Dallas Green, a lifelong hunter, a collector of John Wayne movies, whose granddaughter was among those shot and killed in the Gabby Gifford incident," explains Costas, in the process revisiting a theme he'd addressed in a previous appearance on "Piers Morgan Live." "Tell those people that they're sort of mealy-mouthed, panty-waist, non-patriotic gun haters. No, they're not. They're sensible Americans who see that there's a situation that's out of control and don't want the national debate to be controlled by extremists."
Nodding with approval, the host simply adds, "well said, Bob Costas."
Tune in this evening at 9 as the 60-year-old with nearly 20 Emmy Awards to his credit touches upon everything from Lance Armstrong's use of PED's, to bigotry at the Masters, and Jason Collins coming out.
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YEAH!YEAH!YEAH!
Let's get back to guns–'cos Mr.Costas' fear is MY fear,and maybe yours.
No more Newtowns...
Ok. There WILL be MORE shootings. More SCHOOL shootings. More innocent victims. So why not be honest and SMART about it? Based on the FACTS of over 95 percent of mass killings in America no current or proposed gun control legislation would have had an effect. Gun free zones are where virtually ALL mass killings occur, so thats useless. The killers either procured their weapons illegally or PASSED background checks, or got them from someone ELSE that passed those checks. NO ONE got them at a gun show. Take Nwtown as an example. Would a backgroud check have stopped a teacher from getting those weapons? She had NO police record. She'd pass ANY background check. So you COULD try and eliminate all guns... But thats impossible. You COULD try and put police everywhere that there might be victims... but thats too expensive. Or MAYBE you could TRY and put a BIT of REAL money into our REDICULOUS mental health care system and find and police the TRUE crazies. During the Reagan administration we ended up with a HUGE homeless population as psychiatric facilities, then UNFUNDED, dumped their patients on the street. Time to pick them back up. Treat them. Seclude them. Stop "mainstreaming" them. How about SPECIAL checks for the mentally ill? Perhaps when people are diagnosed with serious mental disorders the POLICE be required to do a home "safety check" to make sure that they have no access to guns? We need INTELLIGENT discussion on the subject. Instead what do we have??? People Like Bob Costas and Piers Morgan that COME to the discussion with a preconceived notion and use NEWTOWN to put forward an agenda they had YEARS before it occurred. Not to say again what millions have said but... Guns REALY are not the problem. Its CRAZIES with guns that are the problem.Stop policing GUNS and start POLICING crazies! Make sense?
Something like The Mental Health Act?You can be 'sectioned' for
a pre-determined period of time,and be assessed and treated
whether you like it or not if you fit the criteria of 'being a
danger to yourself and/or others';if you're no better at the
end the process begins again,two doctors required to sign
you in(have to concur),and the police uninvolved–
they're already there:seems to work pretty well,mainly
exercised for the right reasons,though people still slip
through the cracks though I guess the burning question is
how many would slip WITHOUT it?
'Gavin Cooke' – You make some very good points. The only thing that upsets me is that someone in the VA has already been abusing this approach. Someone in the VA is now sending letters to verterans saying that it has been determined that the veteran is having 'problems' and therefore may not be able to manage his own affairs, so he cannot own a gun. These letters do not cite their authority for violation of the Second Amendment or what the determination is based on. We may have to be careful how people abused a good course of action. They could claim Obama was sick.
What about the Tree Of Liberty?
Hang that bell thing from it,and CHOP IT DOWN?
BUT WATCH OUR CHILDREN'S BLOOD,IT'S STICKY,AND "REFRESHED" IT APPARENTLY...
Ex-Colonists,when you planning on NOT being a laughing stock?
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CC: Covingtonfy@aol.com
Sent: 6/4/2013 08:08:17 Eastern Daylight Time
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(910) 483-2847
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Well,ain't that a shame:19 American children with disintegrated
bones and faces like peeled bananas,and it's business as
usual in the USofA;there's been reprehensible comments on
here about 'refreshing the Tree Of Liberty',and I'm sure
they'd say that to the forever-traumatised AMERICAN parents;
it's EVERYTHING to do with UK,and under the Amendments
you pick and choose from to suit your selfish,paranoid lives
I'll exercise the First which comes before the Second y'all,
which establishes you as a proper democracy from the off,
but you just like the Gun One,and it's why you're condemned
to ultraviolence.
Tick-tock...
P.S.We ain't broke,don't have the Euro,it's the British Pound,you know the one!
(Worth TWICE the US Dollar,always has been–d'ya want it back?The King's Shilling,ha-ha!)
Twenty Candles.
Refresh?
I'll get a dog to pi$$ on it...
So wait... it's somehow evil to demand that any new laws be EFFECTIVE??? Sorry, but if a new proposal woudn't have prevented Sandy Hook, or at least reduced the damage, then why even consider it? Why trot out failed old schemes that were also ineffective? And first and foremost, how do you craft your legislation so that it will impact violent criminals and the dangerously mentally ill WITHOUT handicapping the ability of law abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families, which they DO between 700,000 and 2.5 million times per year? THIS is the gold standard. This is why the proposed bills went down in flames and will continue to do so unless properly written.
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Enough already! So what you cut and paste the same thing over and over and over 100x on this thread. IT MEANS NOTHING! S T F U already!
MEANS NOTHING.
UNCLE SAM YOU SAY IT ALL.
Thanks for posting,Tes.
Twenty Candles.(Hopefully urine doesn't extinguish them.)
Two idiots...my 2nd ammendment rights shall not be infringed
Hey,Yank!
You cherish them so much you can't even SPELL Amendment!
And you wonder why we think you're dumb...ha-ha!
Another turd burgler heard from.
Are you Andy?
Or just another Yank trying to develop a sense of wit and failing as they all do unless they're Dana who I met in Montana?
@ America Is A Big Pile Of Pants And That's FINAL!
We still kicked your @$$ twice and then when you couldn't win your two wars (WWI & WWII) who did you turn to? Good ole USA!
You really think we CARE what you think? Your broke and irrelevant.
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Another Newtown,,Another Aurora ,,Say it ain't so . Because if we see another we will know what Governor , Mayor and Police Dept. was Responsible since Background checks just don't stop these things.Still waiting in Kentucky to hear Piers Got His Phil Donahue Papers... Phil was canceled the day after he interviewed Stephen Halbrook. with Sarah Brady by his side . PRICELESS ..I am the NRA ,,since oct. 1992
Least ya lock 'em in a safe,Pilgrim,just about the only thing you've ever said worth reading as you are clearly not as
gullible as Nicky Lanza.
'...a bunch of no-good immigrants' – Meine Kampf,Adolf Hitler.
Hey,where d'ya think he got that from?
MERLIN ENGINE=US-"NOT AS GOOD AS RAF"-AF GETS OFF THE GROUND!
They continue to insult despite AND being trained to fight properly by SAS#1 IN WORLD,and Black Watch,300 Years+
Kiss the ring,Yanks...
(shall we talk American Express Tourist Maps? Ha-ha! )
Who ya talkin' to,Gav?
A book?
The Good Book?
James VI?
You think it's American,don't you,despite you not having monarchs
in lieu of a near-banana republic where you vehemently hate your own
President who is a good man and born leader as is his wife,or you could
have Ann Romney baking cakes on daytime television for a country with
an obesity epidemic,16-year-olds on the brink of diabetes who can't stop
going to McDonalds–you are SPIRITUALLY broken,not caring for atrocities
committed,not doing anything,while SPEAKING OUR LANGUAGE.
YOU GET A FANCY IRON STATUE OFF FRANCE WHO HAVE DESERTED YOU.
Irrelevant? We sank the Bismarck and Tirpitz so you still have an
East Coast (which you might as well sequester),and Pearl Harbor...
Pearl Harbor was you caught napping just like the Tet Offensive
where you were absolutely hammered.We could talk about
engines to get you off the ground,or–this is my favorite–WOODEN,
yes WOODEN landing doors at Normandy,so GIs are getting shot dead even
before it drops,standing like tailor's dummies by their buddies who hardly
get a morale boost from this,and the gate hasn't even dropped yet,
on the most volatile beach,hot metal,and YOU'RE getting killed
before Canada 'cos they're in the British craft made of steel.
It's James Jones From Hell,and they deserved better.
Are the SAS irrelevant?
In your dreams,Yank...
'...the poor bludy infantry...' – Rudyard Kipling
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WELL HERE WE Have another riveting piers morgan show, this one is called the opinions of bob costa , now when I think of intellectuals , I always think of Bob Costas , personally I think it is just little man syndrome ,its kinda like listening to the brits comment on american issues, bloody disgusting it tis . blyme
Ooh,yeeow know I'm listening,don't yeeow,Gambler?
So you're back then....well I'll give it you straight...
Steve in Mo
Jason B
Tesla
sm (where IS she?)
fightcorrupter
are dead.
Or have disappeared into a soup of zeroes and ones.
Or been shot.
In the US.
'Cos you've ALL got Nasty Guns.
(Did ye win anythin'?Did ye?)
Once again, stories of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
I simply choose not to respond to individuals who repeatedly change their names and resort to nothing but insults and emotional rhetoric, or to the people who fill up responses in agreement with them under different aliases. It's a foolish circle-j**k, and I have better things to do.
Well,we'll leave him to do that,then;glad to know you're reading,Tes,but you know where you stand:I have no intention of
talking to a pseudo-militiaman 'cos Dunblane's just up the road,and you're a twit.
Rhetoric,he says? Nothing rhetorical about the Lanza House,and its deadly imminent violence.
See Justice For Sandy,the fight goes on.
Twenty Candles.
It's blimey.
(Did ye know EC actually stands for Emergency Crumpets,and my favorite book is 'The Gambler',by Fyodor Dostoevsky?)
Sounds like a Commie...Commie...COMMIE! AARGH! RED ALERT! UNDER THE BED! (Not you,Dana–oh,hi sm...)
(Where IS she?)
(
Congraulations Bob Costas, you have lowered yourself to Ms Morgans level.
SAY WHAT
DON'T YOU!DON'T YOU START!NOW DON'T YOU START WITH THE BLOCK CAPITALS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've already got Scare The Pilgrims unread as of yet uptop(threatened to SHOOT me,y'know...),maybe telling me more about his how-to-kill-a-human-being-and-get-away-with-it book.
Do androids dream of electric sheep?
Do rubes have passports?
Or know what an airplane is?
W W W . E X A M I N E R . C O M / l a p i t b u l l a t t a c k s h o w s s a v a g e c o n s e q u e n c e s o f c i t i z e n d i s a r m a m e n t ,,while Bob Costas and Piers were waiting for another Newtown or Aurora,,,, it seems 4 pitbull terriers chewed up a 63 year old woman jogger in Los Angeles County,,she died on the way to the hospital. Hope that makes your day knowing she was forbidden by Government to carry a snub-nosed 2"inch barrel Charter Arms . 38 special like mine I've had for almost 20 years.. one like mine might have saved her life,,but 63 year old joggers in Los Angeles county don't get a sniff or a whimper from you people do they ??,,, sad, sad , sad,...
Scare The Pilgrims,,,saying common in Ohio in the late 1970's when the state was caught up inthe grip of long gas lines and rationing of gasoline via President Jimmy Carter and the "Gas Shortage Brought To Us By Some Rich Texas Oil Men Who Were Out To Get Richer",,and did. The book was ,, " IN THE GRAVEST EXTREME" by Massad Ayoob,, L.A.P.D. Firearms Instructor. The words were said by Sarah Brady of Handgun Control Inc. " A manual about how to SHOOT human beings and get away with it." I did not post KILL human beings,,, I never do. The drugs your playing with must be strong,,your one scary screw ball from my point of view..can't quote anthing I post and its right here in everyones face to read.
Both Piers and Bob expressed no problem with the 2nd Amendment..., yet they question who would need an AR15 and a 10 round (or more) clip.
They miss the point of the 2nd Amendment. It is to support a citizen Army :
MILITIA : Noun
A military force of civilians to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
Hence the need for fully Automatic weapons.
It amazes me when time and time again people forget that the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with home intruders ( where a 6 round revolver would suffice) – it has to do with a citizen Army. With battlefield capabilities.
What are you talking about?Militiias?
Superseded by the police,Joe,you DON'T GET to make that call,ya just TELL YO'SELF SO!
Don't ever make it true
You actually believe you can back up the US Army...uh...when you feel like it?
Did you go to university?
(To shoot them?)
Citizen Army...no discipline,fighting each other,last man standing,
couldn't batter a fish nor hit a barn door...teapot fantasy.
Are you lonely?
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It's clear that Costas doesn't know what he's talking about on guns...None of the gun control proposals would have prevented the horrific Sandy Hook shootings or any of the others shootings...and even the spew about high capacity magazines is nothing but speculative BS ..as the Aurora Colorado shooting proved ,when Holmes AR jammed right from the start and he quickly continued on with his carnage with the other weapons he had, namely a shotgun and two handguns And if there is another school shooting it's because there wasn't trained security in place period.
ROCK SOLID WORDS ^5 my opinion,me,,son of a U.S. Army Sergeant 1st Class
What's the US Military got to do with anything?A civilian affair,and you've told us about your Dad AND your welding
certificates at 11 or 12,I forget which(yawn).
Scary,the jogger.
A 63-year-old is gonna carry a gun while JOGGING in a park,and is able to shoot all four and disable them?
How about a muzzle?
(For the dogs.)
@ shephardgregory
How about a muzzle for you?
Playing tennis?Wouldn't bother–Yanks beating Scots?As if...
WE TRAIN YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
'...for the people you will find are as LOYAL as any Subjects the King has...'
(Yeah,I get that bit,thanks...)
'...but a people jealous of their liberties and who will vindicate them
if ever they should be violated... ' – Isaac Barre.
Haven't a Scooby Doo what that means,but what it tells me
is some 200 years later,despite being very articulate,and
historically and contemporaneously knowledgable,your
replies STILL SOUND a lot of the time like crossword questions,
and I don't wish to be bamboozled,only to hear/ read what you
have to say 'cos it matters,please take note.And...
are you REBELLING?
Idiot opens his mouth and the whole world sees him for who he is. Between him and Morgan they don't have a single brain cell combined.
Costas should've stuck to sports, or just retired into silence gracefully.
Mr Randy!
Isn't it marvelous the Brit is leader and not American Second Bat Whoever You Like?
No-one beats Scotland and England!
@ Piers, or whoever you are.
I'll reply when I stop laughing at your comment. Might take a day or so...........
Mr Randy,
One was educated in Eton where you don't get shot in the library which has bombs just like Bath St.
1927? Wow,you've had this for almost 100 YEARS,and done NOTHING........
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I CAN agree with all of that
Thank you,Dana!
What should happen with Gates? Eight Marines report him coming back covered in blood,and apparently has been known to
refer to Afghans as 'ragheads',and the army wants him executed.
Any thoughts?
Mr. Costas, I would like to make a few points based on the segment with Piers Morgan. First of all, I would like everyone to understand that in the United States of America that the right to bear arms is a basic right. Driving however is a privelege and not a right. Background checks to purchase firearms are only there to make it more difficult to the law abiding citizen. The people who want to purchase a firearm to cause physical harm will find a way to get that weapon whether or not they pass a background check. If that person still can't find a way to purchase a firearm, they literally can "print" one with a 3D printer or find the schematics for many versions of an explosive on the internet. If the person that wishes to cause harm to people can not find or do any of those things, they need just grab a knife from their kitchen. If they do grab a knife from their kitchen, there is no reloading, only a fatigue of their arms.
The point that I'm trying to make is that if someone truly wants to harm others, they will find a way. For those that do not want to harm others but only want to protect home AND country (also hunt for food or game), it only makes it more difficult. By making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to purchase a firearm, you harm several facets of this great country we call the good ole USA. You lessen the number of citizens with firearms to protect this country. You hurt the economy from the reduction of manufacturing and sales of firearms. You also increase the cost from the government/insurance companies when someone takes a loved one away. If even one of the teaches or administrators from any of the completely horrific massacres in this country has seen carried a weapon on them, then this discussion would be a moot point. I could guarantee that if someone at any one of these senseless shootings was carrying a weapon, then they would have stepped up and done anything/everything to either stop or reduce the loss of life from this. Have faith in humanity and realize that we will try to stand up and fight for what's right... but only if we have the tools available to us.
Guys,guys,schools HAVE security,Scotland AND USA:difference is they can't smash there way in with us with rifle butts as there ain't any–ya ain't gonna pistol-whip your way in there,and he may just have swore,spat on the glass,dropped his pants,the finger.But he can pulverise his way in...anyone who thinks crossfires and ricochets amidst small children in a school needs to go back to one.
And if we'd listened to that same old tired argument when your ancestors and your king tried to tell our founders to turn in our weapons, we'd still be a brit colony. That's what you really want though huh? Jealousy doesn't wear well; you lost – twice. Get over it and go home.
Mr Rand,
YOU'RE dragging up Empire again:Magna Carta,English,KJB,sense of history.
No,it's Dunblane,actually,and I lost a child,and its reprised by Sandy Hook;a British laddie died who looked a bit like my boy who I hope to see on the other side if there is one.His name was Callum,and he was innocent like the boy in the
picture in his Spidey suit who liked trampolines and chocolate,and never stood a chance.I get vexed the US just wants
to file it away.It's a watershed.My concern is that it happens with you again,as we went left,and you've gone right,and
I take it a month at a time.
It's about the mitigation of murder in all its macabre forms which is all the more pressing now its increasingly happening
to children,and no changes have been made;I know there's Amendments in the US,but it's dead bairns end of the day.
They ALL deserve a chance,at heart NO-ONE recognizes that more than the United States.
Mr/ms REALHighland Laddie,
If what you say is true, then I feel for you, and hope you will get a chance to meet him again. But don't come over here and impose your country's customs or rights on us. You don't like it when the US does it elsewhere in the world and as a retired vet I quite frankly agree with you. But don't expect me to give up everything I believe in for the sake of perverse worldliness.
Security at the expense of liberty is tyranny.
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I would or like to make a correction above. When I mentioned the teachers or administrators, I meant to say: "If even one of the teachers or administrators from any of the completely horrific massacres in this country HAD BEEN CARRYING a weapon on them, then this discussion would be a moot point." I apologize for the poor grammar. Thank you.
One more item, I promise. Fromt he media reports, the Sandy Hook shooting was done with handguns. The only reason an assault rifle was mentioned was because they found it in his back seat. So the debate on assault rifles because of this terrible tragedy is not accurate. Columbine would have a better time to discuss such a topic.... even though they took the weapons from their parents gun racks and did not purchase them on their own.
A Bushmaster WAS used:140 hollow-point,close range,faces like banana peel,people weeping looking in caskets when
urged to do so when in authority 'cos they NEED to know.You sound like a smart guy,James,thanks for posting,but my source is official US docs,bald eagle on top the lot–and,with respect,you're Joe Egg.
I don't mean to demonise the AR – 15,biggest problem that woman not locking it away,but I've SEEN the still of Lanza
5-o'-clock with the butt,same technique to kill Wehrmacht on Western Front as bayonets get stuck.
And it's turn the Brownings round...that's Jerry circa '39.
OUR KIDS are in there.[19 US;1 UK]
Weapon used:Bushmaster XM 15-E2S,butt at 5-o'-clock to remove shards of glass at front door as captured on video.
Rounds fired:(hollow point:154;14 to shoot lock,remainder pumped into children point blank range).
Damage: 20 dead infants [19 US;1 UK],bones turned to dust,in medical parlance 'snowstorms',faces peeling away in
deliberate attempt to shear them off in two cases,one child[boy]holding his chin in shock as he died.
6 adults [female].
Mendacity/slander:haphazardly on this blog and others.
Status:forsaken soon to be forgotten and filed with all the others
Prayer: for them and The United States Of America once they've finished pi$$ing on their graves.
p*ss on bob costas! the main reason we might see another newtown event is because BIG PHARMA plays a big roll in such events. dont take my word for it, go look it up! its the one thing these media wh*res refuse to discuss! when we can get the truth about big phamra, in long drawn out format, like the dead kid freak show this media outfit put on, then maybe it will have some credibility again.
Big Pharma?
How big is he,do you know?Mmm...it's what they DO with it though...
you guys wanna hook up?[ShawnPoland/grodjerodjer]
I think Big Pharma is "Big Pharmaceuticals" and all their advertising dollars for commercials, telling us we all need to be medicated and there's a pill for everything.
wow they're still trying even after america slapped the antigunners in the face. go back to being the lowest watched tv show. its over.
I came back for this , really . should have stayed on the road , everyone left cus there aint no gun stuff to argue about,
Might have a point there,Gambler,how ya doin'?You up?
AND STOP USING THESE–YOU'RE NOT STP WHO'S MAD,BAD,SAD AND DANGEROUS TA KNOW!!!
Twenty Candles.
NOT MONTANA, IDAHO GET IT RIGHT
Oh,don't you threaten me,you butch thing,you...
{smellin' of whisky,at the table,a bristle of murmurs lit the room by the curling smoke,cute gal over there,avoidin' makin' eye contact.It's sm.Greg the croupier,buck teeth shining in the light like a rabbit,needs belting...he smiles,he's got it on,he's wearin' it now,remembers da basement–was that Montana?Yeah...the lady smiles–hey,she was there too! The dirty
broad from Bwaston,yeah...light didn't work...don't matter...we made[it]out...}
Ooh,I'll go and watch 'The Cooler' now! Saturday Nicht! [GMT 19:30] Popcorn and haggis!
I'd prefer the NRA Temple,but thir's nae guns,laddie,sae these horns on ma head...
Horns?
There was no face slapping by America. America was slapped in the face by senators bought & paid for by the NRA and gun lobby. Americans supported extending background checks. What are the pro-gun groups so afraid of? It's not about taking away your guns or rights. It's about closing the loopholes in the current law. Also, an assault rifles along with high cap. rounds have no place in civilian hands. Go enlist if you want to play army.
If you trust the government (not just the current government, but all the government we and our children will have in the future) not to abuse the individuals’ info. they get from the background checks and registry, why not give them our medical info. as well to know who among us have mental issues? Congress passed the “National Instant Criminal Background Check System Improvement Act” in response to the Virginia Tech shooting. This law was to provide funding to the states to add mental health records into the FBI’s database. The ACLU, a progressive civil rights organization, threatened suits for privacy violations under the federal HIPAA Privacy and Security Rules if the states comply with this measure. Much as I want to prevent the dangerously mentally-ill from getting their hands on guns, I agree with the ACLU for protecting the individuals’ right to privacy. And the ACLU said a gun bill proposed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid mandating background checks could infringe on Americans' civil liberties and privacy rights.
The ACLU has "significant concerns" about the language of the bill, said Chris Calabrese, a privacy lobbyist with the ACLU. He said, when approved sellers use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, they destroy most of the obtained records within 24 hours, and all the records must be destroyed within 90 days. Reid's proposal doesn't have any such requirement for universal background checks when it comes to unlicensed gun sales.
Calabrese warned, “Unfortunately, we have seen in the past that the creation of these types of records leads sometimes to the creation of government databases and collections of personal information on all of us. That’s not an inevitable result, but we have seen that happen in the past, certainly. As we’ve seen with many large government databases, if you build it, they will come.”
Yup. shouldn’t give the govt. our complete trust. An abuse of power can always exist. Look what the IRS and DOJ did.
Yeah,it's just baffling why the majority of Americans vote for them,isn't it?
Guess they're not paranoid and frustrated on the CNN Blog.
Thanks for posting.
Who's 'they'?
'they will come...'
(Do you see dead people?Want more tinfoil?How about you,itchy?)
The phrase comes from the movie “Field of Dreams” starring Kevin Coster. The actual quote is “if you build it, he will come.” However, “if you build it, they will come” is how it is used today. It means that if something is built, someone will come to fulfill its(what is built) purpose. You need to watch the movie to fully grasp the meaning though.
Yup,it's another shooting in Yankville where they pass useless laws,or none at all.
umm..I'm sorry,,i got some hot blood over your post and,,I failed to read your Name before starting my reply...your a woman aren't you,,,never mind. ,,,,,
The above reply was meant for tmarie2468,, I have noticed in the past when I posted a reply to a certain person the reply gets RE-LOCATED ELSEWHERE on the board causing confusion,,and anxiety, and curiosity about how is anyone going to get any good out of this messy wall scrawl junk controlled by The Moderator on CNN..one screwy bunch and for the record This is the first posts I've made in quite a while,,,be a lot longer before I post again...if ever,, the NRA won ,,and the military rifles of the world are copied in semi-automatic form all over the world . The # 1 Attraction of a Semi-Auto Rifle is Maintenence,,they are very easy to FIELD-STRIP,,,they have to be in order to serve in the Military,,.. a soldier has no time to play State-Of-The-Art Gun Smith Procedure in battle..the gun must be easy to dis-assemble and clean , re-assemble and shoot..in jungles, swamps, mountains,,take-a-licking and keep on ticking firearms. That is the attraction of AR-15 type rifles to the Dana 's of the world,,,women can defend themselves without the old man around and apparently People like Piers Morgan and Bob Costas hate the idea,.. go figure.
Just a minute.
'you're a woman,right?'
Mr Kentucky,how do you feel about black people?
Hey Scary,
You keep saying this is your last post,and subsequently reappear.Enough already,and it seems all you type nowadays is
the usual military bunkum.I suspect you're a book reader(Salinger,maybe?)so utilise that intelligence to say something worth reading o/wise it's just the usual rants.Integrity suffers like the children you're all so academic about.
How about 2-year-olds shot in the face in Jacksonville?Any lame excuses there?
With hot blood over...ooh,I quite like that!
Howsaboutyeeow,Gordon?
Can...can I get you something to drink? I'm surrounded by Rebels
And Their Heathen Charters,you see,and I think I'm running out...
Yes, it's about taking away everyone's guns. Except for some reason even gun banners who call politicians "criminals" and bought and paid for, etc, don't mind those same politicians and the government agents they control having all the guns. Not very logical thinking, these gun banners.
The California senate just passed a bunch of new gun restrictions including a complete ban on all semi-auto rifles with a removable magazine. That includes things like the most popular .22 rifle ever made.
And Piers Morgan and Bob Costas are going to cause it by ranting and raving about guns and the killers and giving these murderers the idea that they will become immortalized and live in infamy in the history books and that they will be talked about by Piers Morgan and Bob Costas and their ilk for decades. Way to go Piers and the rest of you for encouraging killing sprees and acting all outraged so that the killers know how much of an impact they will have on society as they commit suiicide and take out as many people as they can. And thanks Piers for allowing the killers to inflict even more damage by causing unnecessary new rules and regulations be imposed on non-violent law abiding citizens. Your a real treasure Piers.
I want to thank you,,,I Absolutely enjoyed reading every word of that,,so much so,, I think I'll read it a few more times,,made me smile,,and I Don't Smile Easy .... ^5
Crazy screwball–you were SELLING GUNS on here a month ago,and do you REALLY think we're interested in WELDING
CERTIFICATES?HA-HA!LOVE TA KENTURKEY!
*whiper* Scary...Scary,listen,got somethin' ta tell ya...
DANA IS A MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Least you're not asking him to go home,and seeing as the Brit–yet again–is Top Man,I wouldn't waste your breath.
So he's glamorising murderers for the first time?Passing the buck,huh?
Zodiac,Green River,Boston Strangler(FILM WITH TONY CURTIS AND EVERYTHING,DUDE!),Oswald,McVeigh,Ted Bundy,
Wilkes,and on,and on,and on for the most violent stubborn country there is...
Ooh!
Bob Costas talking about guns? The headline should be "Why in the hell is anyone listening to a sports announcer's opinion on a gun issue?"
Um...'cos people he cared about blew themselves away?And he's exercising his First Amendment rights seeing as you all
bleat about them ad nauseum(2nd,anyway–you'd think sometimes there weren't any others.)
Let's review: Bob Costas talking about guns; Jay Carney talking about honesty. The next thing you know, Piers Morgan will be talking about being a journalist. This could very well be the Holy Trinity of Ignorance.
I am not sure the word Ignorance is quit it on this subject,,,, Piers Morgan seems to be really comfortable with his game in this arena,,Slime Ball Tabloid Trash and all the rest of the words in that category are common knowledge in the U.S. and I read up on all his history in Great Britain. Its a game of Money Money Where is the Money coming from and where is it going is my motivation in this saga...I'm killing time here waiting on the TV Guy to show up and hook mine up to a different service,, posting what feels right as I sit here thinking & waiting,,,,,,
jKevin,hi!
Are you REALLY Sovereign?
I've got DOZENS of Drones working here,beck and call.
One is KING OF AMERICA!
Thanks for watching!
And I'M The Queen Of Sheba!
If you really want to get an Education on the subject of what Americas all about,,,watch Only In America with Larry The Cable Guy,,,, you know what I just said,,...
Well,'least you're talkin' to us now,Pilgrim,as opposed to posting on a blackboard and disappearing.
Go on,Scary,which books ya like? JD Salinger? James Jones? Hunter S Thompson? Catherine Cookson?
Uponst the road to Canterbury,1185,be a pilgrim... [Canterbury Tales – Chaucer.]
The Books I read can be found at p u b s . a w s . o r g ____American Welding Society ,,manuals, codes , etc. I never did read paperback novels,,I prefer Reality over Fantasy anyday.
Go and sort out the Russians,Scary!
Then them VARMINTS! THE LIMEYS! EVERYWHERE!
We are legion.
I want to thank CNN and President Obama & all the rest who had anything to do with the ammunition shortage in stores like Wal-Mart where the sporting goods dept. ammo display is empty every qweek-end 15 week ends in a row here in Scott County , Kentucky. All the rest of the country seems to have the same situation. .22 Long Rifle bullets are $1.97 a box of 50 and a good number of the ones sold at Wal-Mart and other stores USED TO be shot at Ground Hogs in peoples gardens and such,,so if a Ground Hog Explosion destroys Americas Crops in 2013 you bet I want Someone to take the freakin Blame ..
Groundhogs?
It'll be varmints next,like the yokels Joe Biden was talking to.
Friends of yours?
But don't forget what Uncle Joe "The Joker" Biden said. Just get a shotgun. Strangely there's plenty of that here...
Weapon used:Bushmaster XM 15-E2S,butt at 5-o'-clock to remove shards of glass at front door as captured on video.
Rounds fired:(hollow point:154;14 to shoot lock,remainder pumped into children point blank range).
Damage: 20 dead infants [19 US;1 UK],bones turned to dust,in medical parlance 'snowstorms',faces peeling away in
deliberate attempt to shear them off in two cases,one child[boy]holding his chin in shock as he died.
6 adults [female].
Mendacity/slander:haphazardly on this blog and others.
Status:forsaken soon to be forgotten and filed with all the others
Prayer: for them and The United States Of America once they've finished pi$$ing on their graves.
Anthony Bourdaine ,,, American woods creature delicacy,,Roasted Young Whistle Pig ,,( ground hog ).... you bet'cha : )
Thought you said you weren't posting anymore,and there's about 9 on here alone.
Still selling pretty-colored guns to 5-year-olds?
Dig up Betsy Ross.[SCOTTISH HIGHLANDER NAME ROSS–UNFIT FOR A YANK WE TRAIN]
Hey, leave Betsy alone. Despite her reputation as a woman of the night, she was still smarter than your colonels and was able to get many of their battle plans from them while in their bedroom. Pretty crafty woman, not unlike Rahab.
every time we go to the cincinnati zoo we always end up visiting Monkey Island and throw peanuts at the monkees and as I watch them fight over the peanuts I think of Piers Morgan and his fan club..
For the record Bob. There has been several cases where an AR 15 has been used in a defensive manner.
Want to talk about common sense? The AR 15 killed under 40 people and you want it banned while handgun murders over 7000 a year. Where is the common sense in that?
Rifle butts pulverise doors.
'Millions more to die 'cos of Piers Morgan,and not Basketville America? Right...
'scapegoat':verb,noun.'exaggerate':verb.'pass the buck':phrase,American English...
I hope ALL your kids are safe 'cos THAT's what it's about,but I'm biting nails:sure,crazies ARE the problem,yet so are
incompetent mothers regarded as sane who stick 'em all in a box by the door,the car keys,and the school...
@shepherdgregory
So do feet. In fact, they tend to work better than an AR-15, which has a polymer stock.
I understand that the butt of the rifle was used to attack Wermacht soldiers on the Western front, but you leave out a couple of very important facts:
1) A person is not a door. What can bring down or kill a person may not do the same to a door.
2) The rifles being used to perform that maneuver in the field were oak with a steel backing, not hollow polymer. That alone translates to the difference between using a whiffle ball bat and a Louisville Slugger.
And people like Costas and Morgan, through their perverted words and views cause millions more to die each year following false ideals.
Rahab?
(Some postings up top for you–stop being so bellicose.)
@shephardgregory
Sorry, wasn't my intention to be bellicose in any way. Actually I'd posted that in hopes of it being both humorous and true; something both of us could laugh about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
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You mean they killed 19 of YOUR Defenseless Innocent Trusting
Vulnerable Children in one go,after smashing the doors with the
other end?And SIX teachers?
And handgun individual murders across 50 States in the space of a year?
That's a comparison?
You will tailor ANY stat to suit your agenda,and your country is doomed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
FAO Scary:
Ha-ha!
Wouldn't get TOO close,Pilgrim! Might need that welding gear! (Cincinatti? I'll bring some oxy-acetylene! )
And he's THINKING about us,everyone!
You always have these so called experts or well known TV Hosts releasing their opinions for attention and ratings on a program. Firearms or Weapons to those who are trained and experienced with them know that they are not the cause of these incidents. The true issues have been around for many years with society and government, but you make uneducated assumptions to place blame and initiate knee jerk reactions on what is basically a tool. Anyone can cause severe or great bodily harm with a hammer, a pipe, a knife etc, the intent or desire is what fuels the incidents. You dont speak for everyone, so dont charge forward acting like you are the voice for public opinion. Just because the majority of society are sheep, doesnt mean you can control the wolves. The same wolves who volunteer to defend and die for this country, and keep a safe place for the sheep to flourish. By the way, Brit's can worry about there own country. We earned the right to govern ourselves without your input.
'...the majority of society are sheep...'
Are they?Well,I best get going!
Let's see...police,detectives,operators,nurses,doctors,surgeons,teachers,watermen,plumbers,joiners,plasterers
carpenters,electricians,farmers,costermongers,greengrocers,pickers...all contributing to America.
And who you fight for,and give you a sustainable good life when you come home.
Appreciate your service[Highlander,Edinburgh],but don't go down that road marked 'MISANTHROPY'.
And all this constant BS i.e.my fist is a weapon,blah-blah:he is armed with a gun that SPRAYS bullets from a distance
giving them NO CHANCE to escape,and can kill them in seconds,140 hollow,bones disintegrated,faces like peeled bananas,and I don't think many people on here care,to be honest.
I lost a child in July '96 to Hamilton,who some folks on here attest only used handguns that day;he used an Uzi,and London banned them for which I will ALWAYS be grateful [devolution the following year,but I think Scotland would
have done likewise] I TRUSTED London,and it never let me–nor the other parents–down.
Thomas Hamilton used an Uzi,and I try not to hate him every day,but I DREAM of his face in my nightmares.
He killed my boy.
His name was Callum,and he was 8.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
You're a liar, and here's why:
1) Uzi's and other automatic firearms have been illegal in the United Kingdom since 1947. If Thomas Hamilton used an Uzi, it is proof that gun bans don't work.
2) Thomas Hamilton was a suspected pedophile with charges of assault laid against him. Additionally, he shown symptoms of mental illness. He still owned 4 legal pistols, which if background checks and registries worked, would not have been able to be used to commit the Dunblane shooting.
3) The victim list has been published and is public knowledge. Not one 8 year old child named Callum was killed. Not one 8 year old was killed, and no one named Callum was killed.
You are a liar, and you sicken me. You are inventing a dead child to push an agenda for a country that you are not even a citizen of, and in doing so $#!t on the graves of the 17 victims of that massacre.
If either were interested in learning the truth, they could spend just a few minutes on youtube and see many
examples of the questions they ask.
Yes, private citizens use AR-15's for defense.
Yes, the large magazines are needed to take out as many varmints/predators/nuisances as possible per day.
How about setting poison?Traps?There are numerous ways to control vermin.
Guys,our KIDS are gettin' killed in their CLASSROOM where the Entry is the Exit!
You have The American Massacre Of Glencoe on your hands,and all you do is quibble,and wait for the passage of time.
ONE:It ain't that simple–they are little children,we PUT them there in an expectation of trust and safety which was
dreadfully compromised.
TWO:There are other schools,many troubled young men,and no shortage of butts.
I DREAD another Newtown;for me thrice:1996,2012,????
2013?
Would you feel safer if an armed police officer was at the school to protect the kids? Most people like having armed police officers show up when there's trouble, so I assume you do as well. If so, what's the difference between an armed police officer and an armed teacher? Some training.
So how about at least allowing the teachers to take that training if they want to and then have a locked gun in their classroom. At the worst, at least the kids would have a chance against an armed criminal in a "gun-free zone" thanks to their teacher protecting them.
Dr. Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist, released a study in 1993 showing that guns are used in defense of crime 2.5 million times each year, an average of once every 13 seconds. A U.S. Department of Justice Survey released in 1994, “Guns in America,” estimated that 1.5 million defensive gun uses each year.
Studies by Kleck and the Department of Justice conclude that guns are frequently used to protect crime victims. Kleck studied crime rates from Great Britain and the Netherlands — two nations with much stricter gun ownership laws than the U.S. — and concluded that the risk of armed robbery is lower in America because of loose gun laws. The rate of burglaries at occupied homes (“hot” burglaries) in Great Britain and the Netherlands is 45%, compared to a rate of 13% in the U.S. Comparing those rates to the percentage of hot burglaries in which the homeowner is threatened or attacked (30%), Kleck concluded that there would be an additional 450,000 burglaries in the U.S. in which homeowners are threatened or attacked if the rate of hot burglaries in the U.S. was similar to the rate in Great Britain. The lower rate in the U.S. is attributed to widespread gun ownership.
Also, according to the Wright-Rossi survey, 34% of the felons responding from state prisons said that they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured” by a victim armed with a firearm. The same percentage said they worried about being fired upon by armed victims, while 57% said they were more concerned with encountering an armed victim than encountering law enforcement officers.
Good pistol and good rifle kept well away from the kids,dexterity,and vigilance.Way to go for US,I think.Regrettably–and
reprehensibly especially with the atrocious case in Cincinatti [husband and father calling it his own 'personal holocaust']–
home invasions a reality with you(posting from Edinburgh),so locking the door behind you even during the day(and the back
as well ideally),plus window locks,even better with double glazing,are ways to go too.
Interesting stats,Eugene,thanks for posting.
'armed victim'–you mean the householder?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
Why on earth would ANYONE care what Piers Morgan thinks about anything? Why on earth would ANYONE care what Bob Costas thinks about anything that is not related to sports? It is unbelievable that these saps get attention and respect and outrageous paychecks for being, well, saps. And those who follow them are lemmings, looking for a cliff to jump from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
w w w . t h e t r u t h a b o u t g u n s . c o m
"We Have Guns, and we are Everywhere"
Gun ownership ensures protection against things a million times worse. Take a history lesson while you stick to sports.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
I predict that until we ban cars, there will be another horrible car crash somewhere.
We must ban cars now!
That IS but one side of the coin;I'm sure you lock 'em away,like Mr.Pilgrim,and good on you both;alas the same CANNOT be
said for the Nicky Lanzas of this world,and we don't know if there's any more out there–guess we find out the hard way,
and clean up the blood and glass hopefully not in the local school...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
PoliceOne.com, the leading online resource for law enforcement, released findings from a national survey of police professionals that provide insight into the opinions of American law enforcement regarding gun control policies and the root causes of and potential solutions to gun crime in the United States. “This survey captures the perspective of an audience that has an intimate professional connection to gun policies in our country, yet is rarely heard from as a group in discussions on the issue”
The survey, which was conducted in early March 2013, received 15,000 responses from law enforcement professionals. It found that the overall view of law enforcement is strongly anti-gun legislation and pro-gun rights, with the belief that an armed citizenry is effective in stopping crime. Response percentages varied only slightly when analyzed by rank and department size. Among the results:
• 86 percent feel the currently proposed legislation would have no effect or a negative effect on improving officer safety
• Similarly, 92 percent feel that banning semi-automatic firearms, or “assault weapons,” would have no effect or a negative effect on reducing violent crime
• Demonstrating the opinion that the best way to combat gun crime is through harsher punishment, 91 percent said the use of a firearm while perpetrating a crime should lead to a stiff, mandatory sentence with no plea bargains. Likewise, 59 percent believe increasing punishment severity for unlicensed dealers would reduce crime
• Respondents were more split on background checks, with 31 percent agreeing that mental health background checks in all gun sales would help reduce mass shootings, while 45 percent disagreed
• 71 percent support law enforcement leaders who have publicly refused to enforce more restrictive gun laws within their jurisdictions
• 82 percent believe gun buyback or turn-in programs are ineffective in reducing the level of gun violence
• 91 percent support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or have not been deemed psychologically incapable
• Likewise, 80 percent feel that legally-armed citizens would likely have reduced the number of casualties in recent mass shooting incidents
• 38 percent believe the biggest cause of gun violence in the United States is the “decline in parenting and family values”. This was trailed by “overly lax parole and short sentencing standards” at 15 percent and “pop culture influence” (e.g., violent movies and video games) at 14 percent
The full survey results can be viewed at http://www.policeone.com/police-gun-survey
Costas, you are simply an Obama/Reid/Pelosi butt kissing idiot!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
Politics have become a give and take proposition. Costos indirectly calls Republicans extremists because they’re the ones preventing gun legislation; and Republicans call democrats extremists because they won’t budge an inch on abortion, not even 3rd trimester abortions. How about Republicans agree to background checks, provided Democrats agree to ban at least late term abortions? I agree with both of those propositions, how about you?
Sounds reasonable,Nanda,but it's a form of bartering,I guess,
and it ain't gonna work like that anytime soon in there
unfortunately.On the subject of abortions,and dealing with
that creep Gosnell this week,there are pictures from his lab
on @DawnMichael on Twitter if you can stomach it.
[Single mother,Idaho.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
'...for the people you will find are as LOYAL as any Subjects the King has...'
(Yeah,I get that bit,thanks...)
'...but a people jealous of their liberties and who will vindicate them
if ever they should be violated... ' – Isaac Barre.
Haven't a Scooby Doo what that means,but what it tells me is
some 200 years later,despite being very articulate,and
historically and contemporaneously knowledgable,is that your
replies STILL SOUND a lot of the time like crossword questions,
and I don't wish to be bamboozled,only to hear/ read what you
have to say 'cos it matters,please take note.
Are...are you REBELLING?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
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He also thinks you can pulverize repeatedly with a FOOT as with
a rifle butt which is reinforced with no bones to break.
And is telling ME about the Western Front which America was
never on,but I could tell you about poison-gassed
grandfathers,levelled tenements,mother almost shot by a bomber
crew jettisoning ammunition to get back to Germany without
ditching in the North Sea,all consequential of the pitched fight
of Great Britain and Germany.
And you can't spell Wehrmacht.(Standards slipping,Tes,not a
problem for a Scottish poet.)
Haven't you got a fence to sit on? (Blueberries to tinfoil in the
laughing stock that is the United States.)
Tee-hee!
Take a hint,Tes?
Did the teacher shielding the children make any difference? Would it not have been better for the teacher to have an active defense plan, rather than hoping that somehow the crazed gunman wouldn't shoot them?
The collapsible stock of an AR-15 is not reinforced. Even if it was a fixed stock, which is also not reinforced, it is hollow polymer, which breaks faster than a booted foot does. That why military units worldwide shoot the lock or hinges of a door, then kick it in (unless they have a portable ram or breaching charge). You're wrong.
Just because the United States was involved later in the war doesn't mean I know nothing of military doctrine. It's unfortunate that you have such a history of grandfathers and mothers dying in those situations. It doesn't mean I have no right to talk about the events. And again, during that time period, both the British service rifle (Lee-Enfield Mk. III) and the German service rifle (Karibiner 98k) had hardwood stocks with steel backing, fully capable of bludgeoning the enemy.
But I did spell Wehrmacht wrong. Many apologies. Should have caught that H.
I don't care if you catch the flu,and it's 16,and I tire of discussing Scottish affairs with you.
I sleep just fine,it's YOU who are constantly blase,and THINK you got the answers.
But Gregory, I thought you were ok with delving into another country's affairs? You've been doing it since the Newtown shooting occured.
Besides, I didn't bring up Dunblane. You did. And you lied. And it is 17 victims; 16 children, 1 adult (their teacher).
Take a hint,Tes?
Third time lucky...
It's time to step it up with the paranoiacs and their academic delusion,
Lone Ranger fantasies gone haywire:they will sell you down the
river in a gun-ridden nightmare whether they have small children
or not;yesterday,a well-spelt articulate woman adamantly
maintaining tracking devices were fitted under Obamacare:
she was ridiculed as risible,but clearly believed it.
The elephant in the room is paranoia:America mistakenly thought
it was immune to terrorism~people are confounded~people are
scared~people are frustrated at their inability to do anything~
people buy guns as proxy:too many,and paranoia reigns...
The place that suffered more than anywhere is New York,
but New York looks in the mirror,keeps its cool knowing what
it needs to do,and prevails,the least paranoid part of the US.
I'm keeping this as simple as I can,Brits know ALL about this,
IRA attacks over a period of almost 30 years,and it starts for
us in 1605 (and who knows what would have happened in
the New World...)
Civic duty,see something,pick up the phone,don't leave it to
someone else,false alarm better than none,and stats
CLEARLY state–unequivocally–that a preponderance of guns
in one country,and crazy things start to occur.
Sound familiar?
Some on here think Barack Obama has got it in for them–
no he doesn't,and that is belied by the clear majority voting him
back into office.(What d'ya want?A Mormon who scraps
'Sesame Street',a programme set up to combat illiteracy in 1970,
and which the kids love?)
It's fundamentally the same as us:obey the law,pay your bills,
and people will leave you alone,and if you still want an enemy,
well,Al-Qaeda's back on the prowl...
I lost a child in Dunblane,I mention it to a vet a couple of times,and
I've nothing more to say on that,but they're on this page or one
near,I don't want to read them,but he accused me of colonialism,
and I told him about it.I see Callum in my dreams,and Hamilton in
my nightmares.I don't sleep too good,I never have,it's a constant
pain.It's too late for Connecticut,this NEVER goes away,it's too awful,
but I desperately hope no other State has to endure this,but for every
batch of 10,at best 9 lock 'em away.
Who is the one-in-ten?
Is there another Mom's Box Of Guns?
A disgruntled,troubled young man upstairs?
Is he being taught to shoot in a gun-prevalent country? [310,000,000;probably more]
It's a hole in your heart that no surgery can heal,
and they're selling like hotcakes.
Thirty-five Candles.
Peace.
A call to arms indeed.
You lost an 8 year old son named Callum to a gunman named Thomas Hamilton wielding an Uzi in Dunblane Elementary School in 1996, despite the fact that the official government statement was that Thomas Hamilton used 4 legally owned handguns to commit the shooting, and the publicly available list of victims does not include any 8 year olds, nor any children named Callum.
I hope you don't sleep well at night. You have invented a dead child to tack on to a legitimate massacre and blame an inanimate object for the actions of a man (who was suspected to be a mentally ill pedophile) and the failure of government (which knew he had the firearms, previous assault charges, and an angry argument with a member of Parliament in months before the event).
Sooo we've got wannabe militiamen reading PDF / Wikipedia Files on child massacres.
Now we're getting somewhere,thanks for posting,go and read
Sandy Hook,and we'll see if you are your usual callous,
academic self.I believe the term is wolf in sheep's clothing,
and here's me a Shepherd!
Thomas Hamilton used an Uzi which...uh...would explain Parliament
recalled from holiday,and sitting in the Commons at midnight,straight
through the Lords[Emergency Legislation],and signed by the Queen.
What's signed?
Ban on automatic rifles soon as you like,while you have your finger
up your a$$ when confronted with the same.
I'll let you get back to pi$$ing on Newtown.
@shepherd:
See, the problem with your statement is the fact that the Uzi is defined as either a submachine gun or a machine pistol. It is a compact select-fire weapon chambered in pistol rounds, which have been illegal in the United Kingdom for over half a century.
So, either Thomas Hamilton used an Uzi, and that information was covered up or suppressed by the government, proving that gun bans don't stop people from accessing them as well as proving that you cannot trust your government in order to push an agenda to ban handguns despite the fact that they were not used (sounds very much like the paranoia you vil!fy), or the official statement is correct, and you are a liar.
As for your "son." Give me a good reason why the official victims list, used to fuel the outcry that severely limited handgun ownership in response to the event with the Firearm Act of 1997, did not include an 8 year old boy named Callum. I assume that there must be a reason. After all, every other victim was listed by full name and age.
Finally, Newtown. A disturbed young man stole his mother's firearms (a felony), murdered her (a felony), and went on a spree killing in an elementary school with an Armalite Rifle Model 15 semi-automatic rifle chambered in .223 (another series of felonies). He then comm!tted suicide with one of the stolen firearms, a handgun. No laws currently in place prevented this event, and no law proposed (not universal background checks, not registries, not magazine lim!tations, not an assault weapons ban) would have prevented it. An active defense plan for the children might have prevented some of their deaths, but no one took that in!t!ative.
Things are grave.I am concerned for schools,so on that basis I'll
communicate with you begrudgingly 'cos I know others are reading,
and we have in the past 9 months the blud-soaked nightmare of
Aurora,and something comparable with the Massacre Of Glencoe
in December,AGAIN McDonald children butchered,and the future
troubling and ominous;I know I sent you 'Goodbye Tesla',and was
a boycott from then on 'cos if you come across as Malcolm The Militiaman
in 2013 (a 950-year old Norman word) you can jump in the river for all
I care,and take your computer with you.
ONE MORE TIME:POLICE SUPERSEDE MILITIA.YOU'RE A CITIZEN,
WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.GET A SCOTTISH CONSTABLE STANDING
IN YOUR FACE AND YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.SAME IN US.
Handguns weren't banned 'til The Firearms Act,1997,I'm
sure you've got an 'explanation':straight through Parliament
again,as we care about our kids,and LISTENED to the
families who led to Britain dispensing with the gun.You
thought you were impregnable to terrorism.We could have
told you different,but as usual,Peerless America throws it
back in your face.Boston of all places.Do you know the history
of that city?I doubt there were any more stuffed airmail envelopes
after 2001.
Oh,and I'm fed up with you constantly regarding this as some kind
of military exercise:even the diehard gun-owners who have come
and gone on this blog concede she should have locked them away;
you,nothing–just Boys & Their Toys at your computer.
You don't have kids,do you?
The militia has never been superseded by the police. Execution of the law is not and has never been the purpose of the militia; the militia exists to provide the people resistance against oppression, be it foreign or domestic.
You're right, handguns were not banned in the United Kingdom until after the events of Dunblane. But you're saying that an Uzi was used, which, as was previously stated, is a select-fire weapon; thus, it has been illegal in the U.K. for over half a century. Now you're backpedaling. Which was it? What weapon killed your imaginary son?
Heartless. Hah. Blood spared due to the presence of a firearm in lawful hands vastly outweighs blood shed due to them. The brutal calculus of war applies to everyday life as well. We recognize that a population with no inherent defenses is ripe for culling. I would have thought that a Scot, having lived centuries under an English boot, would have appreciated that concept. I suppose submitting is just easier.
You told me goodbye. Yet you return, and bring with you a cowardly lie, inventing a dead child to try to make your post somehow above ridicule. I told you, and now tell you again: walk away, boy. I will eat you otherwise.
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Mr.Ruby,are the BIGGEST CHARACTER on here,and you may
be Salingeresque,but I compare your safe with the Lanza
house–that would be a contrast,then.(Ya got 10/10 in lockin'
'em up,there'd be little problem,but I'd say 9 is more on the mark,
and you're a BIG country...who is the one in ten? We never know:
let's clean blood&glass.In a school.)
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Tesla,let us be quite specific on the crucial point:
he TOOK the guns from Mom's Box which should have had umbrellas in.
YET AGAIN :YOU CAN'T TRUST PEOPLE TO LOCK THEM AWAY.
And now back to Tesla's Box Of Excuses...
FAO Tedious Tesla:
Other people's affairs...
a boy died.
'Cos I'm done with him,ABSOLUTELY heartless.
This divisive debate over "assault weapons" keeps both sides apart so that we can't even pass the kind of legislation both sides support: universal background checks that include prison time for any government personnel who keep the names of those being checked.
We could start with something simple like prosecuting the current people who knowingly lie on the background check form when making a straw purchase for someone else. I forget the numbers on it, something like 10s of thousands of people falsify their background check answers every year, and then only 10 or so a year are prosecuted.
You'd think all the people who are for background checks and for keeping guns from straw-purchasing criminals would want to prosecute such people to the fullest extent of the law, (which they already can do!). But, no, for some reason they don't. And people like Eric Holder say they don't prosecute it more because it's a "paper crime" or whatever.
Things like this show that a lot of people who claim they want to ban guns and make more gun laws to save lives and protect children are lying. They refuse to enforce current laws already on the books because all they really care about is banning guns entirely including from law-abiding citizens.
if we dont get BIG PHARMA under control, there will be another new town, aurora, columbine, etc. BIG PHARMA KILLS PEOPLE! terrorism starts with lies and these days cnn seems to be at the top of the terrorist list!
It does not matter if even 100% of the people favor gun control. As long as those in the Senate or in Congress fear the NRA nothing will change. There MUIST BE an all out effort to DESTROY the NRA.
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Bob Costas is just a jerk and the people that believe what he says, too
I know of ZERO grocery stores that sell AR-15's
Further the AR-15 is NOT a military weapon.
An English boot...
2014 is a 700th anniversary of the opposite.
Only reason I reprised talking to you,duplicity and otherwise,
is other people reading someone talking of/around a crime
they've understood implicitly for the past 17 years,and your
professorial rants in return (are you Bill Nye?)
Glad you fell for it,Tesla,you sound a decent enough chap,just
a callous air while you speculate on child death.
Oh,by the way,EAT me? Very aggressive,you Americans,though
I know you know about Highlanders so we'll leave it there.
And something about mare's legs then removing kebabs a while
back–I still haven't the foggiest what you're babbling about, and
sound like Scare The Pilgrims.Perhaps leave the jokes to the Brits,
just like declaring war on Germany.
P.S.You still talk like you can just decide for yourself to form,with
your 'buddies' (i.e.complete strangers),into some Pinkerton-esque
mob when you see fit.Tell it to a policeman.
Tesla,my dear chap,you're a citizen,always will be.
Join the bludy Army,Greg.
Duplicity. I like your use of that word. It sounds so much more charming and sophisticated than lying. Doesn't change it, but it sure sounds better, right? Like you were somehow trying to bait me into a trap. However, by inventing a dead child to tack on to a very real tragedy that could have been prevented by direct intervention from law enforcement (as they had reasonable cause to believe Hamilton was a danger to himself or others, and were aware he owned firearms), you throw everything you've said into question. What else do you lie about to try to win an argument on emotional grounds?
And yes, I said eat you. Chew you up, digest you, and turn you into the same $#!t your argument is made of. Doesn't matter if you're a Highlander or not. I don't live in fear, as you so obviously do. At the risk of sounding stand-offish, bring it the f*** on. I guarantee, whatever the result, it will not end well for you.
Greg, you foolish boy; I am a citizen of the United States of America, who has a const!tutionally guaranteed right, given by nature, to personally own and use firearms in the defense of myself, my country, and my fellow man against all threats, both foreign and domestic. You are a citizen of the United Kingdom, and should mind your own affairs before trying to interfere with ours.
Your argument consists of lies, emotional rhetoric, and pleas to remember the glory days of Great Britain. None of these things are relevant. Walk away.
One more thought: I seem to remember 2014 being the 307th anniversary of something else... What was it that happened in 1707... Oh man, this is gonna bug me all day...
Ah well. Guess I'll just go read some poetry. Maybe a Scotsman, like you suggested. How about Robert Burns? I like the one about the Scottish government being bought by the British to form the United Kingdom. "We're bought and sold for English gold – Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!"
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