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June 20th, 2013
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Steve Wozniak on the NSA data-mining program: "We didn't realize that in the digital world there are a lot of ways to use the digital technology to control us"

In advance of the upcoming film "Jobs," in which he is portrayed by actor Josh Gad, tonight Steve Wozniak joined Piers Morgan with his traditional brand of candid humor, and wide-reaching perspective.

Having joined with the late Steve Jobs to found Apple in the late 1970s, the man who boasts "engineers first" as part of his Twitter profile, "Woz" offered his thoughts on the NSA's data-mining program and Edward Snowden.

"There are some people that just take sides in the world and 'I'm always against anything government,' you know, any three letter agency or 'for them because i'm on the opposite side' and i'm not like that," he told Piers Morgan. "I felt about Edward Snowden the same way I felt about Daniel Ellsberg."

Morgan noted if geniuses like Wozniak hadn't created so many computers, the government wouldn't be snooping around:

"I actually feel a little guilty about that but not totally. We created the computers to free the people up, give them instant communication anywhere in the world, any thought you could share it freely. That it was going to overcome a lot of the government restrictions. We didn't realize that in the digital world there are a lot of ways to use the digital technology to control us, to snoop on us," he admitted. "In the old days of mailing letters, you licked it, and when you got an envelope that was still sealed, nobody had seen it. You could have private communication. Now they say because it's e-mail it cannot be private, anyone can listen."

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    June 21, 2013 at 12:52 am | Report abuse | Reply
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    yeah , i turned the tv off after woz left

    June 21, 2013 at 1:46 am | Report abuse | Reply
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    I liked this interview.

    June 21, 2013 at 3:40 am | Report abuse | Reply
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    I have to add this. When I was a teenager,19, one , of the 'circle of friends', reflected, "One day, there will be computers in homes. We will be able to watch television and use the phone, al by computer. The computer will run everything." That was before Apple. I never forgot that.

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    Yes, please, bring him back to your show as soon as possible! What a fascinating guy!

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