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July 31st, 2013
11:10 PM ET

Glenn Greenwald on Edward Snowden: "The United States is no longer a safe place for whistleblowers ... he was absolutely right to leave the United States"

On the backdrop of Wednesday's "Black Hat" conference in Las Vegas, which saw National Security Agency director Gen. Keith Alexander speak to the NSA's data-mining programs preventing international terrorist attacks, "Piers Morgan Live" asked a pair of seasoned journalists and an expert legal mind to offer their respective reactions.

Addressing the government's consistent position that exposing details of intelligence-gathering efforts can be potentially harmful to the nation, James Risen differed passionately:

"I can tell you I've been an investigative reporter for a long time and almost always the government says that when you write a story, it's going to cause damage, and then they can never back it up," stated the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist for "The New York Times." "They say that about everything. And it's like the boy who cried wolf. It's getting old."

Joining Risen as part of the live, and lively, discussion, Glenn Greenwald noted that "leakers" are sometimes judicious with the information they reveal and what they choose to withhold:

"One word about Mr. [Edward] Snowden," began the man largely credited with breaking the story surrounding leaked information on government agencies use of secret data-mining programs. "If you have access to classified information, you could just spew it out all into the ether ... he could have uploaded it onto the internet in mass, he could have sold it to a foreign adversary, he could have passed it to a foreign government, he could have given it to Wikileaks and asked them to just publish it all. He did none of that. He came to established media organizations and said 'please be extremely careful.'"

Questioning Snowden's intentions and patriotism, Jeffrey Toobin tossed a great deal of skepticism in the direction of Greenwald:

"Glenn, he's now gone to China, and then he's gone to Russia, two of the most repressive countries in the world," noted the CNN legal analyst. "You don't think they have now have access to all that material? He somehow kept it secret from them?"

Defending his colleague and source, Greenwald stood by Snowden's story, insisting that the leaker's fleeing was simply a matter of self-preservation:

"No, they don't Jeffrey. The reason he had to go to Russia and China is because the United States is filled with Jeffrey Toobin's who want to take people who come forward and bring transparency to the government and throw them into a cage for decades and disappear them from our public discourse," he exclaimed. "The United States is no longer a safe place for whistleblowers ... he was absolutely right to leave the United States because it's the only way that he could participate in the debate that he started and avoid persecution."

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  1. fiddlerpaul

    This idea about Snowden going to repressive countries is getting old. The man went there to be safe from persecution, not to embrace their policies. Freedom from perceived injustice is not to be disparaged. At least while he is free, he is still able to be an effective agent of change. Without that, he is muzzled and helpless. Which would you choose?

    July 31, 2013 at 11:49 pm | Report abuse | Reply
  2. Sports King of this world

    I know we have freedom of speech and the freedom to learn about certain truths. But to go to other countries that are repressive. Could be extremely dangerous. Everything shouldn't be told. Somethings should be kept in house.

    August 1, 2013 at 12:05 am | Report abuse | Reply
  3. robert foust

    why the hell don't you go back to england or whatever you came from and keep out of america's bizness, all you are good for is stiring up crap and causeing as much trouble and take cnn with you!!!!

    August 1, 2013 at 1:03 am | Report abuse | Reply
  4. speng72

    I cannot believe that there are so many well educated news media personalities and professional people so shocked at our governments NSA program. What do you think it takes to keep America safe from those who wish it grave harm. In the global world that we live in today, there are so many threats to our democracy and our government . The NSA and all other security organizations of our government must use any technical function or tool to keep us safe. These people that are screaming and jumping up and down about the NSA program are living in a world of fantasy. Too much reality TV and not enough of real-life." Welcome to the real world "and all those who share Mr. Snowden point of view, pack your bags, Putin awaits you.

    August 5, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Report abuse | Reply
    • fiddlerpaul

      So it seems the battle lines are drawn quite clearly now. It's either 'get used to this, it's the new reality, you can trust us and you'll thank us for it' or 'please leave me alone and spend my tax dollars on real problems'. Well, I won't get used to it but am insulted by it, it's not my reality and I don't trust YOU'

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