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Robert Reich to Newt Gingrich: "With all respect, and you are my friend, but you're absolutely wrong"
As the United States moves into a second consecutive week set upon the backdrop of the government shutdown, on Monday evening "Piers Morgan Live" hosted a lively debate between two men who lay claim to distinctly different perspectives.
"I was there in 1995, 1996, with the previous shutdown," began Robert Reich, a noted political economist and author. "The most important issue there, was about what the budget was going to be. It wasn't about a piece of legislation already on the books. Once you open the door to the kind of extortion that the Republicans are now wanting to use ... once you open the door to the Republicans using a shutdown and a threat to basically default on the nation's debt as a means of getting their way to change that legislation, or to delay that legislation, or to repeal that legislation, then no piece of legislation is safe."
Seated directly across from host Piers Morgan, Newt Gingrich remembered previous shutdowns differently:
"Bob is a terrific person, a great scholar, but this is errant nonsense," said the former Speaker of the House. "The Constitution was written to separate powers, the power of the purse is in house. The whole point is, that the president's not a king, the president can't demand. He has to negotiate."
In response to Gingrich's claims, Reich first qualified his relationship with the former GOP presidential candidate, before quickly and decisively dismissing him:
"You are absolutely wrong historically. Newt, with all respect, and you are my friend, but you're absolutely wrong."
Watch the clip to hear Gingrich's response to Reich's classification of his opinions, and for the next edition of "Piers Morgan Live," watch CNN every night at 9.
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I disagree with Newt and I think he needs to review his history before his next show. My feeling is; if you think that the methods the republican party are using is NOT extortion in the basic sense, then you are probably an extortionist yourself. Well you would at least have the tendency to use basic extortionist methods to get your way in a professional situation. From the logical and ethical perspective this is not a dignified way of solving an issue.
Any you call Barry "dignified". He will go down as the worst president in history. Narcissist,, belligerent, fraudulent–the guy should be in jail. Maybe you should be at his side in jail, maybe you were part of the fraud. Your "feeling" is just what liberals deal in–scare tactics, opinion, not facts. That's how this administration got elected. People who just are uneducated (because they are LAZY) protecting their scam way of life.
Interesting, I am an independent and not a hard left liberal. I think people need to do something to get something. I did not get my knowledge and degrees handed to me. I did not build my business with government grant money. I did not extort anyone to get where I am. SO many people think it is OK to twist things to get their way. Personally, I think we need to get big business and big money out of DC and the electoral process. We should have 5-10 people on the ballot for any given electable position and not just the choices of the lesser of two evils. So back off or I will think you are a hard right slug. I know people that abuse the system and I hate seeing it and I have turned people in as well for welfare fraud. That is not the point here. The point here is the proper way of doing government business. Let's pass one bill, one subject at a time, with no fluff added.
Robert Reich: You're the thief and terrorist. You use laws you past fraudulently to steal from people who are the backbone of America. We are the ones working, paying taxes and paying the bills. The leeches who vote for the dems are not paying anything. SNAP, Sec 8, welfare, Medicaid, free anything they want. They just take, take, take. They know how to work the system so get everything they want for free. That only reason they vote for the dems is to protect their steal parasitic way of life. The reason we voted republican is to protect our moral way of life. Maybe we should just quit and go on the dole. We certainly have not gotten what we are due for our sacrifice and hard work. It would take us a while to be the one of the leeches but we were the ones concentrating in school (instead of doing drugs and smoking, having babies without marriage) We are smart enough to scam the system. Then who would you have paying the bills?
As for this being a "law of the land" you are just lying. The law was changed 19 times with all of Barry's carve outs for political gain. The law was sold as something it just is not. All the lies Barry spouted to sell the ACA would have put anyone else in jail. Lies, lies, lies.
They all LIE! It is human nature for someone in power to lie through their teeth to maintain their power. Does not matter, Republican or Democrat, they all lie! The best people we could have in power do not follow some path of party, but the path of common sense. It is common sense to have more than two candidates on a ballot. It is common sense to have term limits. It is common sense to not allow lobbyists or corporations to give any money to our congressmen. It is common sense that no elected official should be able to make more money than they get paid as a congressmen while they are holding the position. It is common sense to not allow former congressmen or any government official to be lobbyists in the first place or visa versa. We need some common sense in DC.
You are obviously willfully uneducated. Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times. Tripled the national debt. As for your idiotic idea " The leeches who vote for the dems are not paying anything. SNAP, Sec 8, welfare, Medicaid, free anything they want. They just take, take, take." The blue states PAY the balance that the red states TAKE TAKE TAKE. Yes that's right the Dems pay for the red states who leech off the rest of the country.
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"willfully uneducated" what does this even mean?
Doesn't matter how much Reagan raised the debt limit and he actually had something to show for the increase. The economy was strong. AND IT'S STILL NOT 17 TRILLION DOLLARS where Barry has NOTHING to show for the 9 TRILLION increase. The economy is weak and reports are issued to manipulate every aspect of the economy.
Your "red" v "blue" states argument is flawed. Blue states have a greater populations, greater salaries, more opportunity.
"PAY the balance" of what? Doesn't matter what of your liberal links you post it doesn't prove anything except you can't see anything beyond your bitterness.
Here's a clue for you: Poor people – your fellow citizens who you so casually dehumanize by calling "leeches" – don't vote.
And to suggest that Republicans aren't every bit as guilty as Democrats with regard to spending shows you're either fabulously naive, an outright liar, or both.
BULLONEY Dems go around recruiting voters. They bus in people (as long as they are brain washed to vote) who benefits from their "programs" to keep them dependent. Come up with some real facts not just your fantasyland crap before you call anyone a liar.
!@1okcupcake: The fact that poor people don't vote as much as wealthier people hardly needs "proving" – it's almost axiomatic. Googling "voting rates by income US" will yield all kinds of proof. For on example:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Voter_Turnout_by_Income,_2008_US_Presidential_Election.png
1okcupcake, you really have no idea what is going on in the real world. Ronald Reagan increased the debt by 218% ! And he harmed the middle class and the poor while the wealthy made out like bandits. He made more people homeless than any other President. Citing Ronald Reagan for fiscal responsibility is hilarious.
Where was your head during the 8 years when Bush was in office and he created the recession that we're still paying for now? And he did it for a pointless unnecessary trillions dollar war for Halliburton (which we will be paying for until 2113) and for tax cuts for the 1%. Do you have any concept whatsover of cause and effect? We're being forced to go further into debt to pay for the worst recession since the great depression, which was directly caused by the insane policies of the Republicans. Why is it that Republicans were blissfully ignorant of the economic meltdown during the Bush administration? It's as if they had no idea the economy even existed until Obama took office.
Was it worth trillions of dollars to attack the wrong country for 10 years, with no exit plan? Why are Republicans completely unable to grasp that wasting trillions of dollars had a major impact on the economy? Do you have any idea how many billions of dollars we spent on Wall Street because of deregulation? Why is it that you're perfectly okay with spending trillions of dollars whenever it's to benefit wealthy corporations, no matter how harmful it is to the non-wealthy or the environment, but when it comes to paying for the inevitable consequences, you're outraged?
How is even possible that you're simultaneously against debt (whenever a democrat's in office) and against having multi-millionaires and billionaires paying their fair share of taxes? Can you not grasp that tax cuts, breaks and loopholes for the super-wealthy increases the debt?
We're paying for interest on money we borrowed to bomb indigent civilians so that corporations could make money off the war. We're paying for debt we incurred by giving huge tax breaks to multi-millionaires. We're paying to help people who lost their homes and jobs because of the recession of 2008, when Wall Street made off with billions.
If you got your information from any source other than puppets of the 1%, you would have some clue as to why we're in this situation and you'd be blaming the people that created the mess instead of blaming the people that are cleaning it up. And yes it is being cleaned up; If you were watching the economic indicators, you would know that.
Newt proves that Republicans still suffer from the “unskewed polls” delusion that had them looking silly last year when they insisted polls showing Obama winning actually meant Romney was winning. Americans know Republicans have no ideas besides opposing Obama. Americans know the budget Republicans refuse to fund is based on Obama's comprising to their position on sequestration spending levels. Americans know the Affordable Care Act doesn't have a public option because Obama compromised with Republicans. Americans know the claims that Obama won't compromise is a right-wing lie, and we know the shutdown is the right-wing's fault.
Only in conservative fantasy-land does being behind by 5-10% every poll blaming Republicans for the shutdown mean the opposite. Newflash: if Democrats receive 5-10% more votes in the 2014 elections, that’s a landslide. Dems will be at super majority status in Congress.
Republicans are is getting left behind in the court of public opinion because they are too filled with hate to realize that the only reason they have any power at all is due to redistricting. Once that well runs dry, Republicans are looking at a generation of irrelevance.
If Republicans would rejoin the real world, start promoting policies based on 2013 rather than 1913, and stop clinging to these embarrassing “losing means we’re winning” hallucinations, they might regain trust. But I’ll settle for their bewildered election night faces (again). It may not be clear to mainstream media types who take Republican talking points seriously, but it's crystal clear to Americans that Republicans are full of crap on the debt limit and the shutdown. And if they tank the economy, they will pay in the voting booth. Dearly.
The real problem is that Republicans are certainly gambling the American lives that are being affected by the government shut down, such as poor, low income families, minorities, etc. Republicans don't want Obamacare so they shut down the government "coincidentally" to show that they are not happy because they didn't get their way. Now people are blaming Obama for not negotiating, but the thing is, do they really need to negotiate if we know that it's not American to make our own people suffer? Republicans are simply being childish and selfish. They have all the money they need to survive without the government being around, I mean, some of them are still even getting paid! There's not gonna be necessities left for people who can't afford them. This is just sick and inhumane.
Dems definition of "selfish" anytime Republicans don't give us all the money we want to spend they are selfish. Republicans have to reel in the current spending. Dems are out of control. Republicans don't want a insurance plan (nothing to do with health care) that will cripple the economy. All Congress members are getting paid not just Republicans. The reason is we don't want bad decisions based on individual members of congress personal financial pressures. Barry and Dems pushed 7 trillion of spending to get the US further in debt and we have absolutely NOTHING to show for it. That is what is sic and inhumane,
What's wrong with insurance? We all pay for car insurance, but when there's health insurance they make a big fuss about it. And what economy? We spend money on war and prisoners more than we do on education and health. It's more important to focus on our problems here to prepare for a better future. I think it's selfish to only have health insurance for the few people that can afford it. Just because you grew up in a poor community shouldn't handicap you from trying to pursue a better life. The bad decision is that the government is still shut down and guess who's in charge of that!
TO MODERATE REPUBLICANS:
"The future of all of our children depends on what you do. Your Party has been infiltrated by those willing to destroy our economy for their own gain. No one in this country that wants America to succeed can work with these deluded idealogs, not even you. If you love your country and want to go down in history as one who saved it in it’s time of need, convince 16 of your fellow Republicans to change party, forming a Deficit Reduction Caucus within the Democratic Party. This may be our last chance."
Republicans are not the ones ruining the economy with runaway spending. I am not a part of the Tea Party you are vilifying.
We can't keep just spending to increase the debt. Do you even have a clue how much 17 TRILLION is? Dems have already destroyed much of the economy. Last recession–Reagan lead us out with real lower unemployment (not the manipulation of this administration) and real economic growth. Dems don't listen they follow the dems mantra: We want what we want and we are not going to negotiate or give an inch. We want to have an unlimited credit card and screw anyone who gets in our way. If they speak out we will sick the IRS on them or the liberal media on them.
Stop using your children as a pawn to get sympathy–if you really believed we are selling out the children's future you would do exactly what you want Republican to do. The deadlock is the last chance to reel in this horrible administration. There is plenty of EVIDENCE to support what I say–dems only act out of emotion,
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